Kathleen, Support for your comment that the wife of Burgess Thomas Griffin was Elizabeth Lee can be found in Some Prominent Virginia Families, Louise Pecquet du Bellet, Vol. 2, 1907, pp. 108-110, which can be viewed on-line at Google books. It references a "literal transcription" of a bible leaf in the handwriting of one of their grandsons, Thomas Griffin Peachey, son of Samuel Peachey and Winifred Griffin. He wrote, "Winifred, the mother of Thomas Griffin [Peachey], was the eldest daughter of Thomas Griffin and Elizabeth (Lee), his wife". I've never learned the identity of the parents of Elizabeth Lee, wife of Thomas Griffin. Scott Tracy

What I meant was....... I have a copy of both actual documents and a transcribed version of both sent to me by someone else in 2009. I also have an envelope full of abstracts of chancery suits if memory serves me....... All mentioning Tarpley, Chinn, McCarty.... ALL the players back then. I haven't read through it totally yet or transcribed it. I looked through it briefly yesterday but a headache was keeping me from digesting it all. I'll look through it and see what it is again..... All I can tell you it is in my Tarpley file. Janean -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Craig Kilby Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 12:48 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Tarpleys Janean, Actually, Kathleen sent the transcript of the will, and I mentioned the Account Settlement. But anyway, are you a believer now? The account settlement (division of slaves), clearly shows that John the Elder was NOT DEAD at this time, despite what Newman Hall wrote in the Mayflower Magazine. As I've written here many times before, he'd be the first to admit an error and be glad to know of it. Unfortunately, as we all know, once things get "in print" they become immutable facts, especially coming from a prestigious magazine like the Mayflower Society. But, mistakes do and will happen. Craig On Sep 5, 2011, at 9:57 PM, Janean Ray wrote: > Regarding Kathleen's message: > > I have a copy of both the Will Richmond Co. Va Will Bk 5, pg. 338-9 of > John Tarpley dated 23rd day of November 1738, which was admitted to > record upon motion of John Tarpley one of the executors... Oct. 1, > 1739 and also a copy of the distribution Richmond Co. Account Bk - > Part 1 pg 227.... Oct. 8th 1745. You are correct both sons John are mentioned... one as Junior..... > the other as Second son of the deseased. John the elder was paid in > cash along with each of the other four (4) boys... to wit: Travers, > Edward, James and John..... and ALSO to John Tarpley second son of the > deceased the sum of Eight pounds ten shillings and nine pence for the > slaves that mom decided to keep that were to have gone to son Tertius but he had died. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Absolutely....... Just look at all the DAR memberships that were revoked years ago because of misinformation. Nothing can ever truly be perfectly documented I don't think and there is always room for corrections and people have to be open to those corrections and the possibility that the line you've always thought you had just went down the toilet with one new document. Janean -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Craig Kilby Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 12:48 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Tarpleys Janean, Actually, Kathleen sent the transcript of the will, and I mentioned the Account Settlement. But anyway, are you a believer now? The account settlement (division of slaves), clearly shows that John the Elder was NOT DEAD at this time, despite what Newman Hall wrote in the Mayflower Magazine. As I've written here many times before, he'd be the first to admit an error and be glad to know of it. Unfortunately, as we all know, once things get "in print" they become immutable facts, especially coming from a prestigious magazine like the Mayflower Society. But, mistakes do and will happen. Craig On Sep 5, 2011, at 9:57 PM, Janean Ray wrote: > Regarding Kathleen's message: > > I have a copy of both the Will Richmond Co. Va Will Bk 5, pg. 338-9 of > John Tarpley dated 23rd day of November 1738, which was admitted to > record upon motion of John Tarpley one of the executors... Oct. 1, > 1739 and also a copy of the distribution Richmond Co. Account Bk - > Part 1 pg 227.... Oct. 8th 1745. You are correct both sons John are mentioned... one as Junior..... > the other as Second son of the deseased. John the elder was paid in > cash along with each of the other four (4) boys... to wit: Travers, > Edward, James and John..... and ALSO to John Tarpley second son of the > deceased the sum of Eight pounds ten shillings and nine pence for the > slaves that mom decided to keep that were to have gone to son Tertius but he had died. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If and when Scott Tracy joins us for this discourse, you will be hearing a lot about these two families. Craig

Kathleen, For all things LEE I'd suggest you or anyone else interested in them to contact the DuPont Library at Stratford Hall in Westmoreland County. They possess almost anything and everything related to the LEE family in terms of genealogy (and right much related to artifacts as well, but that's a separate department from the library). It's an incredible facility, and unfortunately very underutilized -- that may be by design, I don't know, but it's definitely worth calling or writing. Then of course there is the Lee Society itself, which I believe has a web site, though I think you have to be a member to access the data. Glad this came up, however, and thanks for you response. Craig On Sep 6, 2011, at 12:18 AM, Kathleen Much wrote: > Thomas Griffin's wife was Elizabeth Lee, not Elizabeth Glascock, as best I > can tell. I haven't done a lot of work on that family. Craig is right about > Elizabeth Glascock, though. > > Hall, "Allerton of Virginia", _The Virginia Genealogist_ 33(2): 95: > "Travers-5 Colston . . . married (1) Alice Corbin Griffin, daughter of > Thomas and Elizabeth (Lee) Griffin [n.: Richmond Co., Va., Will Bk. 5, p. > 199; F.B.S. Hodges, _Genealogy of the Beale Family_ (Ann Arbor, MI, 1956), > p. 214.]." > > The Librarian at the DAR Library told me about 10 or 15 years ago that the > wife of Thomas Griffin was a dau. of Richard Lee and Anne Constable, but > that Elizabeth "Betsey" Lee was the wife of Leonard Howson. The two > Elizabeth Lees were a generation apart. I have not found the parents of > Elizabeth (Lee) Griffin. > > Kathleen Much > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Janean, Actually, Kathleen sent the transcript of the will, and I mentioned the Account Settlement. But anyway, are you a believer now? The account settlement (division of slaves), clearly shows that John the Elder was NOT DEAD at this time, despite what Newman Hall wrote in the Mayflower Magazine. As I've written here many times before, he'd be the first to admit an error and be glad to know of it. Unfortunately, as we all know, once things get "in print" they become immutable facts, especially coming from a prestigious magazine like the Mayflower Society. But, mistakes do and will happen. Craig On Sep 5, 2011, at 9:57 PM, Janean Ray wrote: > Regarding Kathleen's message: > > I have a copy of both the Will Richmond Co. Va Will Bk 5, pg. 338-9 of John > Tarpley dated 23rd day of November 1738, which was admitted to record upon > motion of John Tarpley one of the executors... Oct. 1, 1739 and also a copy > of the distribution Richmond Co. Account Bk - Part 1 pg 227.... Oct. 8th > 1745. You are correct both sons John are mentioned... one as Junior..... > the other as Second son of the deseased. John the elder was paid in cash > along with each of the other four (4) boys... to wit: Travers, Edward, James > and John..... and ALSO to John Tarpley second son of the deceased the sum of > Eight pounds ten shillings and nine pence for the slaves that mom decided to > keep that were to have gone to son Tertius but he had died.

Hello, everyone. As the newest NN mailing list member, I would like to introduce myself. I am Scott Tracy and I have been researching the Tarpley family of eighteenth-century Richmond County on-and-off for nearly two years. First, I would like to recognize Craig Kilby who has helped me access copies of certain primary documents in Virginia related to my Tarpley-family research project. As you might imagine, long-distance research is not easy. LDS film and UVA interlibrary loans will get you only so far. Without someone on the ground, this project would have taken much longer. As Craig mentioned in an earlier post, Barbara Vines Little elected to publish several transcriptions of documents that were unearthed in the course of the research project in the current edition of the Magazine of Virginia Genealogy. In all candor, these transcriptions are somewhat peripheral to my primary research objective but I believe Barbara recognized that they might generate interest in the main manuscript to follow for a number of reasons. First, the identity of the father of the two grandchildren of Elizabeth Ripping Tarpley of Williamsburg (second wife of King's Attorney for Richmond County, John Tarpley (1695-1736/37)) proved to be in contradiction to the published position of Kevin P. Kelly in his research paper "The White Loyalists of Williamsburg" currently posted on the Colonial Williamsburg website - http://research.history.org/Historical_Research/Research_Themes/ThemeRevolution/Loyalist.cfm. Second, the named father (according to the reading of the lost will of Elizabeth Ripping Tarpley originally presented in 1772 that was discovered in a legal suit brought by one of her grandsons in 1789) turned out to be James Tarpley, the highly regarded Williamsburg merchant who donated the church bell to Bruton parish. Finally, discovery of lost wills from colonial times always seems to be of interest. The fact that one grandson was a loyalist while the other took the American side adds another twist. My primary research objective has been to obtain clarity regarding the life of John Tarpley (1720-1786/87), second son of King's Attorney John Tarpley and first wife, widow Elizabeth Travers Harwar. Highly respected genealogists and historians have disagreed for many years on whether this John Tarpley born in 1720 survived past maturity. It is my impression that most scholars seem to have deferred to the position of Newman Arnold Hall and the General Society of Mayflower Descendants, which was that this John Tarpley died young. Others prominent researchers have struggled with this issue including Zelma Wells Price in 1963 and John Frederick Dorman (as recently as 2007 in Vol. IV of Adventurers of Purse and Person, Virginia, which states John Tarpley, b. 1720, was the son of the second wife, Elizabeth Ripping. On the other side of the divide were George H.S. King and Ruth Dillon (author of The Chinn Book), neither of whom provided proof for their assertions (at least publicly). As Mr. King phrased it, "when a man [John Tarpley (1720-1786/87] marries two ladies of the same Christian name [(1) widow Elizabeth (Travers) Harwar and (2) Elizabeth Ripping] and has a son by each union named after him and himself died intestate - these circumstances are quite sufficient to lead to misconceptions". In 1936, Ethel Armes wrote in Stratford Hall: The Great House of the Lees that using the same baptismal name for children when there were different fathers or mothers was not uncommon in colonial Virginia, and "frequent instances of this occur in the Northern Neck." So, at this point, I would like to simply say that the to-be published article in MVG will provide irrefutable proof that John Tarpley (b. 1720) did NOT die young; instead, he outlived his older full-blood brother Travers, his older half-sisters by his mother and first husband Thomas Harwar, and his younger half-siblings by his father and second wife Elizabeth Ripping - and that he had numerous descendants. Out of respect for Barbara Vines Little and her colleagues at MVG, I don't plan to share specific details of the proof until the article is published. I will add only that there have been a number of discoveries regarding this prominent family that contradict currently-held beliefs. Regarding the list-server question of obtaining copies of the current MVG transcriptions, Ms. Little is checking and will let me know and I will pass on that information. Best regards to all, Scott

Regarding Kathleen's message: I have a copy of both the Will Richmond Co. Va Will Bk 5, pg. 338-9 of John Tarpley dated 23rd day of November 1738, which was admitted to record upon motion of John Tarpley one of the executors... Oct. 1, 1739 and also a copy of the distribution Richmond Co. Account Bk - Part 1 pg 227.... Oct. 8th 1745. You are correct both sons John are mentioned... one as Junior..... the other as Second son of the deseased. John the elder was paid in cash along with each of the other four (4) boys... to wit: Travers, Edward, James and John..... and ALSO to John Tarpley second son of the deceased the sum of Eight pounds ten shillings and nine pence for the slaves that mom decided to keep that were to have gone to son Tertius but he had died. Janean -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Craig Kilby Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 2:16 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Tarpleys I am pasting two portions of Kathleen's message: On Sep 5, 2011, at 1:11 PM, Kathleen Much wrote: > > Richmond County Will Book 5 (1725-1753) p. 338, > "Item. I give My Grandson John Tarpley the Plantation whereon I Now Live > with all the Appurtenances thereto belonging to him and the Male heir of his > Body Lawfully begotten, and for want of Such to his Eldest Daughter & the > heirs Male of her Body Lawfully to be begotten and for want of Such heir to > My Grandson James Tarpley & the heirs Male of his Body Lawfully to be > Begotten and for Want of Such heir to My Grandson John Tarpley Jr & the Male > heirs of his Body lawfully to be Begotten & so on to the World's End. > John Tarpley Jr was married to 2 Elizabeths. First to Elizabeth Travers, by > whom he had Travers (b. ca 1717) and twins John and Elizabeth (b. 28 May > 1720, NFPR). Second to Elizabeth Ripping, by whom he had Edward Ripping (b > 19 Apr 1727), Elizabeth (b 4 Mar 1728/9), James, John, and Tertius Quintus. This clause clearly shows there wereTWO grandsons both named John. The first (elder) John is given the land and then a line of succession to grandson John, Jr. The John I whose will this is only had one child, John II, the father of all the grandchildren named in this will. > Newman Hall says: " Since the distribution of the entire estate of John > Tarpley does not mention his son John by his first wife, this implies that > this older son John did not survive--very possibly, being a twin, he died at > birth. This observation is in conflict with the statement by King that both > sons, John, by both wives, survived. There is no specific evidence cited, > however, to support this proposition nor any resolution of the > incompatibility it would imply with the above stated references." Newman Hall is wrong about the division of the estate. Both Johns ARE mentioned in it. John the Elder was paid in cash instead of slaves, if I recall the record correctly. Scott has a copy of it. > > Kathleen Much > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm interested in straightening out the Harwars. Newman Arnold Hall, "Allerton of Virginia", _The Virginia Genealogist_ 32(3):173; 32(4): 291-292: "Elizabeth-4 Travers . . . married estimated 1707, Essex Co., Va. [n.: Estimated from probable age at marriage and probable dates of birth of children. See also G.H.S. King, _Marriages of Richmond County, Virginia, 1668-1853_ (Fredericksburg, 1964), addenda and corrigenda, p. A.] Thomas Harwar, probably son of Thomas Harwar of Essex County [note: Ibid. The older Thomas Harwar received a land grant in 1668 (Nell Marion Nugent, _Cavaliers and Pioneers_ v. 2, Richmond, 1977, p. 52). 'Thomas Harware, aged 34 years or thereabouts,' witnessed the will of Richard Simms 22 Jan. 1672/3 (William Montgomery Sweeny, _Wills of Rappahannock County, Virginia, 1656-1690_, Lynchburg, Va., 1947, p. 42).], who was probably born in Essex County and died there 1713 [n.: Essex Co., Va., Will Bk. 14, p. 155?, will dated 25 May 1713, recorded 8 Oct. 1713.]. . . . "Children: HARWAR, born Essex Co., Va. [n.: King, op. cit., p. A] i. Elizabeth-5, born ca. 1708, died young. ii. Frances-5, born ca. 1710, died young iii. Harwar-5, born ca. 1713" [Harwar Harwar is apparently the same as Anne Harwar] "Thomas Harwar appears frequently in Essex Co. records ca. 1705. Abstracts of Essex County, VA, Deeds and Wills Book 14, p. 155: "Will of Thomas Harwar. Dated 25 May 1713. Probated 8 Oct. 1713. 'Thomas Harwar of the County of Essex in the Colony of Virg'a, Gent being sick and weak . . .' 'that if the child which my wife now goes with prove to be a boy that then I give and Devise to the said child all my Lands, Tenements and hereditam'ts to him and his heirs forever'. 'but if it prove to be a Girl, then it is my Desire that then my Lands and Tenem'ts be equally Devided between my Two Daughters [Elizabeth and Frances] and the said Girl that is to be born'. Wife to have her residence in 'my now dwelling house' during her natural life, also a fourth or child's part of Est. To Richard Moore a horse called Button. To Susanna Dicke a gold ring of ten shillings price and a negro slave. To John Vass a gold ring of ten shillings price. To 'my welbeloved friends Mr Leonard Hill and Mr Willoughby Allerton each of them a ring of Ten shillings price.' Daughters to be paid their portions at 16 or day of marriage. 'My Dear Wife and my Good friends Mr Willoughby Allerton and Mr Leonard Hill Exor's.' Signed Tho. Harwar. Wit: William Wayd, Thomas Blatt, John Dike, Jno Vass. "8 October 1713. Proved by oaths of Elizabeth Harwar and Leonard Hill Two of exors., etc. "page 156. Bond. 8 Oct. 1713. £2000 Sterling. Eliz'a Harwar and Leonard Hill as Exors of the Est. of Thomas Harwar, dec'd. signed Elisa Harwar, Leo Hill 1713, Rich'd Covington, James Edmondson. Wit: Daniel Hayes, Ja Alderson." "page 203: Appraisal of est. of Mr. Thomas Harwar, deceased, by order of Court 8 Oct. 1713. Sworn before Mr. Henry Robinson, one of her Majestys Justices. "Includes: 12 Negroes To a set Pistols Holsters and Silver hafted sword To a parsell of Books To 53 oz Silver To Cash To 3 Gold Rings To a Watch To a Silver Pipe Stopper To a hatt and 3 Wiggs To an Inkhorne and Penknife Seal and Case Rasors To a Druggett sute Cloaths To a boat To 1/2 Doz knives and forks To 5 new England Bucketts The above is from a long inventory not added up. Total approx. £1000. signed Nicholas Smith Junr, James Webb, Fran: Moore. Presented by Elizabeth Harwar and Leonard Hill Exors. 11 Mar 1713/14." Thomas Harwar d 1713 was the son of Thomas d 1698 of Essex Co and his wife Judith. <http://genforum.genealogy.com/vass/messages/360.html> 15 Jun 2007: “1668, Dec 7—Land patents 6: 205, Thomas Harwarr and Nicholas Cox. Rappahannock County, 922 acres. In the county of Rappahannock and on the south side of the river, 867 acres part thereof, adjoins the land of John Chyn, Thomas Pattison, Richard Bredgatt, John Sharpe, and others. ”1669, Oct 12—Rappahannock County land transaction between Henry Corbyn and his wife Alice Corbin/Corbyn and Thomas Bowler. Alice Corbin wife of the above Henry Corbin Esq. Am well content with the sale of the land and have ordered Mr. Thomas Harwar my attorney to acknowledge the same in court. “1672/3, Jan 22—Will of Richard Simms. I give to John Penn if it shall please God I dye w/out wife or issue all my real and personal estate. Signed (by mark) Richard Simms. Wit: Thomas Harware, Henry Williamson. “1672/3, Mar 4—Know all men that I Judith Hawar the wife of Thomas Harwar do hereby appoint William Talbutt my lawful attorney for me and in my name to acknowledge unto Henry Woodnutt all might right and title to 460 acres of land sold him as by conveyance upon record bearing date 30 Nov 1671. Signed Judith Harwar (by sign). “1675/6, Jan 3—We Thomas and Judith Harware of the County of Rappahannock paid unto Thomas Crow of the same county by Henry Woodnutt doe by these presents confirm unto Henry Woodnutt all our right interest and title in 160 acres being part of 760 acres formerly sold to the said Woodnutt. Signed Thomas Harware. “1675, Apr 26—Indenture between Henry Smith of he County of Rappahannock and Thomas Harwar of same. For consideration Henry Smith sells 370 acres of land on the south side of the river. “1675, May 3—I Thomas Harwar of the County of Rappahanock sell unto Richard Spurling 150 acres on south side of the river bounding on the land of Mr. Thomas Bowler which he bought of Richard Spurling 50 acres of the said land being formerly taken up by the said Richard Spurling and by him sold the other hundred being part of a greater part of a tract of land taken up by me the said Harwar and Nicholas Cox. Mentions Wife Judith Harwar. “1677 May 3—Thomas Harware aged 34 years or thereabouts and Henry Williamson aged 34 or thereabouts sworn and examined re probate of estate of Richard Simms. “1681, Aug 6—Know all men by these presents that I, Thomas Harwar, ex. Of last will and testament of John Penneye, executor of William Simes, for and in consideration of the sawing of 2,000 feet of pine plank to be sawed on ye now dwelling plantation of Thomas Roberts … have sold unto John Mills all my right and interest in a parcel of land lying at ye head of Moraticoe Creek. Signed Thomas Harwar. Judith Harwar (signed by mark) released dower. Wit: Thomas Roberts, Marvell Moseley. “1682, Oct 22—Land patents 7:188. To Thomas Harwar, old Rappahannock County, 647 acres on the back of Capt. Henry Smith’s dividend. Beginning at a corner white oak called Randolph Curtis’ corner. “1683, Aug 1—Thomas Jillett of Rappahannock County bound to Thomas Harwar for 10,000 pounds of tobacco to ensure that Jillett will deliver unto Judith Roberts, daughter of Thomas Roberts, late of this county, deceased, and Ann his wife, which wife, Ann, the said Thomas Jillett hath now intermarried with. To be delivered to Judith Roberts upon the day of her marriage or attaining the age of 21, whichever to occur first. Signed Thomas Jillett (by mark). Wit: John Billington, Robert Williams, John Almond. “1696, Oct 10—Whereas there has been a partition (per order of Essex court of 20 Dec 1695 by Capt. Wm. Moseley surveyor) of land between Samuel Harwar and Ann his wife and John Cammill and Sarah his wife, which descended to Ann and Sarah from their deceased brother, George Killman, late of the above said county of Essex…Signed Samuell Harwar, Ann Harwar (by mark). Wit: James Boughan and Henry Woodnut. “1698/9, Mar 12—Will of Thomas Harwar of Essex County. Mentions daughter Elizabeth (legacy given to her in will of John Penn). Rest of estate to son Thomas Harwar. Son to be executor, with assistance from friends Capt. Edward Thomas and Mr. Leonard Hill. Signed Thomas Harwar Senior. Wit: Daniell Whitehorne, Gerard Greenwood, Edward Adcocke. Proved 11 Jul 1698. “1710—Administration bond of Samuel Harwar of Essex. “1713—Will of Thomas Harwar of Essex (wills 14:155-156). ”1723—will of Henry Harwar of Essex (wills 4:42-43).” How are Samuel, Thomas, and Henry Harwar related? Clayton Torrence, _Virginia Wills and Administrations 1632-1800, an Index_ (1931), p. 194, cites i[nventory] of HARMAR, Thos., of Northampton Co, 1671; p. 198, HARWAR (Essex Co), Thos. 1698 w[ill]., Saml. 1710 i., Thos. 1713 w. Sam Sparacio <[email protected]> post to VA-ROOTS 27 Jun 1998: "Essex County Record Book, 1692-1693. Virginia ss. By his Excellency. "Whereas their sacred Majesties William and Mary, King and Queen of England, Scotland France and Ireland, Defenders of the faith, &c., have by their Royall Letters Patent under the Great Seal of England bearing date at Westminster ye first day of March in the fourth year of their Reign, given and granted unto me Sr. EDMUND ANDROS, Knt., their Majesties Lt. & Governor Generall of Virginia full power and authority to constitute and appoint Judges and in case required Commissioners of Oyer & Terminer, Justices of the Peace, Sheriffs and other necessary officers and ministers with this Colony for the advance of Justice and putting ye Laws in execution and to administer such Oath or Oaths as are usually given for ye due execution and performance of Offices and places and for clearing the truth in Judicial Claims; Now Know ye that I Sr. EDMUND ANDROS, Knt. their Ma'ties Lt. and Governor General of Virginia, pursuant to their Ma'ties Letters Patent and ye Laws of this Country have assigned you Mr. HENRY AWBREY, Mr. HENRY WILLIAMSON, Capt JOHN CATLETT, Capt. WILLIAM MOSELEY, Mr. THOMAS EDMONDSON, Capt. EDWARD THOMAS, Mr. THOMAS HARWAR, Mr. FRANCIS TALIAFERRO, Mr. BERNARD GAINES, Mr. ROBERT BROOKE, Capt. JOHN BATTAILE, Mr. JOHN TALIAFERRO and Capt. ANTHONY SMITH joyntly and severally and every one of your Justices to keep ye Peace for Essex County and to keep or cause to be kept all Ordinances, Statutes of England and Laws of this Country made for the good of ye Peace and for conservation of ye same, and for ye quiet rule and government of ye people in all and every the articles thereof in ye County according to ye force forme and effect of ye same and to chastise and punish all persons offending against ye forme of these Ordinances and to cause to come before you or any of you all those persons who shall threaten any of their Ma'ties Liege People either in their bodies or burning their houses, to find sufficient security for the Peace and for the good behaviour towards our Sovereign Lord and Lady, the King and Queen, and all their people. and if they shall refuse to find such security then to cause them to be kept safe in Prison untill they find such security. I have also assigned you and very four of you [whereof Mr. HENRY AWBREY, Mr. HENRY WILLIAMSON, Capt. JOHN CATLETT, Capt. WILLIAM MOSELEY, Mr. THOMAS EDMONDSON and Capt. EDWARD THOMAS shall be one] to meet at ye usuall place of holding Court in ye County at certaine dayes according to Law to hear and determine all suits and controversies between party and party doing therein what in justice appertaineth according to ye Laws of England and this Country with power likewise to you and every of you to take the Depositions and Examinations upon Oath for the better manifestation of ye truth of such matters and causes and to keep or cause to be kept all orders of Court, Orders of Councill and Proclamations directed to you or comeing to your hands from me and the Councill and to punish ye Offenders and keep or cause the Clerk of your Court to keep Records of all Judgments and controversies decided and agreed upon by you or any four or more of you [whereof you shall be one] And further I command you and every of you that you diligently mind ye keeping of the peace Statutes of England and ye Laws of this Country and all and singular other ye premises." William Montgomery Sweeny, _Wills of Rappahannock County, Virginia, 1656-1692_ (Lynchburg, VA: J.P. Bell, 1947), p. 42: "PENN, JOHN, 13 January 1676/7; 2 May 1677. To Anne Sharp daughter of John Sharp the plantation I now live on and £50 Sterling money in England. To Judith Sharp daughter of John Sharp deceased £50 Sterling money in England. To Elizabeth Harware daughter of Thomas Harware £50 Sterling in England. The above £50 and the plantation to be delivered the day of their marriage by my Executors hereafter named. To Edward Dracas Thomas Cocker and Mary Peyton each one cow to be delivered on demand and likewise she the said Mary Peyton to be free at my decease for all other moveable stock cattle and horses and mares and servants and what other estate in Virginia Maryland, England or elsewhere I give and bequeath to my Executor Thomas Harware and his heirs forever only paying my debts. To Thomas Talbutt won of William Talbutt a young Mare about three years old and likewise two cows to be delivered on demand. Should Anne Sharp die without issue then the land I give her to my friend Thomas Harware otherwise to her and her heirs forever. "Wit. Peter Hopegood, aged 30 years or thereabouts, Joseph Price, aged 26 years or thereabouts. Page 206." Thomas who was 34 in 1673 is probably the father of Elizabeth and executor of John Penn in 1677. He could be the grandfather or father of Thomas m. 1707 in Essex Co. Original name of the Hardware River seems to have been Hardwar or Hardwarr. General Society of Mayflower Descendants, Robert Wakefield and Margaret Stover, compilers, _Family of Isaac Allerton_, _Mayflower Families_ vol. 17 (1998), p. 55: "68 Elizabeth TRAVERS4 ... m. 1) Essex Co. VA ca. 1707 Thomas HARWAR, b. ca. 1679; d. bet. 25 May 1713 and 8 Oct. 1713; son of Thomas Harwar.... "On 23 Nov. 1704 Thomas Harwar of Essex Co., VA, planter, aged 25, deposed in London Eng. about the will of his father Thomas Harwar of Essex Co. who died 23 March 1703/4." Kathleen Much

Interesting Charlene....... I have a Bowling. Laura Bowling b. abt. 1895 m. abt. 1933 to Robert Lincoln Seabolt b. 4 Apr. 1893 Nicholas Co. W. Va. D. 7 Dec. 1973 Boyd, Kentucky. She was his 3rd wife. I know nothing about her. I am a Seabolt descendant. Janean -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 8:13 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Tarpleys/GLASSCOCKs--Please Ignore MostRecent Post Craig, Thank you for the correction. TARPLEYs are not my line. I researched them when there was a claim on the net that they were related to my line of BOWLING. Many people joined DAR under a forged Bible Record of my many-grt uncle Samuel BOWLING who m Abigail CHOICE.

I know what you mean... and when I've tried to sort these people out.... especially when I was working on my Mayflower line and the Travers... omg, I pretty much had to lay them out like a jigsaw puzzle.... you get your corner pieces and build your frame..... then start putting all your associated people/pieces in various matching piles and then begin to match them up. And like any jigsaw puzzle and we've ALL done it... you are sure that piece fits and try as you might it is either just too tight or obviously too loose despite it appearing to be a complete match.... no matter how many times you try to force it, it just isn't the right one. And like all jigsaw puzzles you finally start getting pieces put together and just when it looks like you're about to complete the puzzle...... BAM...... there's a piece missing...... awwwww man! LOL Janean -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Craig Kilby Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 7:41 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Tarpleys/Harwar (was Tarpley/Glascock) Janean and all, Two things: This whole Tarpley tree is confusing under the best of circumstance.

In a message dated 9/5/2011 7:42:49 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Charlene, There has got to be a good story here. Tell us more! Craig ************************************************************************** I participate in the BOWLING Family Association. Upon researching our line--Group 7-- we kept running into a line that connected TARPLEY with our proven patriot Samuel BOWLING m Abigail CHOICE through an Amelia RANDOLPH. There is no evidence, much less proof, that she ever existed; whereas we had wills and land transactions and other documents that proved that Samuel 1744-1808 was the son of our William BOWLING c 1707-1782 and his wife Ann LNU d 1809 Orange Co., VA. We think our William was born in St. Thomas Parish---YES, the Northern Neck. Having been a high school teacher for 34 years, I questioned some of the phraseology as being more modern. *************************************************************************** Here are the perpetrators and ensuing discussions and findings by the BOWLING Family and/or DAR. "Joyce" is Joyce POOLE of the BOWLING group. We were also in contact with Todd BOLEN who literally "wrote the book" on the BOLLING/BOWLING Families. Joyce POOLE and Janice FRIEL are both cousins of mine through BELL and BOWLING. Our line is NOT related to Pocahontas! Lineage Book, National Society of the Daughters of the American Revolution, Volume XCIII, 1912, p. 198. MRS. MARY BOLLING HICKSON WALKER Wife of Dr. Franklin Pierce Walker Descendant of William Bolling, as follows: 1. William Hickson (1832-97) m. 1858 Martha Ann Bolling (b. 1833) 2. Tully Bolling (1774-1840) m. 2nd 1828 Mary Anne Smythe Mimms (1792-1858) 3. Samuel Bolling (d. 1808) m. Abigail Choice 4. William Bolling m. Amelia Randolph---NO, NO, NO William Bolling (1731-1776) served as a private in Henry County, Virginia militia. He was born in Goochland County, Va.; died in service. Lineage Book, Volume CVIII, 1914, p. 58. MRS. KATE WALKER SANDERSON Born in Appleton, S.C. Wife of Dr. Raymond Sanderson Descendant of William Bolling and of Ensign Samuel Bolling, as follows: 1. Franklin Pierce Walker (b. 1855) m. 1884 Mary Bolling Hickson (b. 1860) 2. William Hickson (1832-97) m. 1858 Martha Ann Bolling (b. 1833) 3. Tully Bolling (1774-1840) m. 2nd 1828 Mary Ann Smythe (1792-1858) 4. Samuel Bolling m. 1772 Abigail Choice 5. William Bolling m. Amelia Randolph------- NO William Bolling (1731-1776) enlisted as a private in the Virginia militia. He was born in Goochland Co., Va., died in Virginia. Samuel Bolling, in 1775 was commissioned ensign, serving in Capt. William Ryan's company, Virginia Continental Army. He was born in Henry Co., Va.; died in Laurens County, S.C. The DAR members cited above were obviously mother and daughter, both married (it would seem) to physicians. They were undoubtedly well-to-do, prominent members of the community. Some in this forum enjoy portraying Bolling genealogical controversies in terms of class warfare, with the powdered wig "aristocracy" allegedly trying to exclude honest working folk by "stealing" their heritage. The genesis of the "blue Bolling" dispute -- at least the "William Bolling-Amelia Randolph" aspect of it -- may demonstrate exactly the opposite: wealthy folk trying to add Pocahontas descent to their social resumes. The DAR is sensitive to the issue of gilded lineages for the socially prominent and, in the case of William Bolling, no longer lists him in the Patriot Index. Ironically, "Private William Bolling" probably deserves a place of honor. He's been excluded because he's been used for purposes other than establishing descent from a Revolutionary War participant. 2. William Bolling's "promotion" to Colonel must be a relatively recent invention. Perhaps this aspect of the controversy can be put, at long last, to bed. Those spreading the "Colonel" story probably felt uncomfortable with the idea that a "son" of Colonel John Bolling and a "son-in-law" of Richard Randolph, Jr. would go into service as a private soldier from Henry Co. Their discomfort was perfectly understandable, to say the least. 3. With the assistance of the Librarian at the Bassett Branch Historical Center (an unbelievably valuable facility for genealogical research), I'm trying to find evidence that "Amelia Randolph Bolling" was an actual person. So far, nothing. As someone who recently replied to a posting of mine has suggested, the emphasis in "blue Bolling" research needs to be on finding evidence of actual linkages to the family of John Bolling and Elizabeth Blair Bolling.----Fred Hof (This was a handwritten note in Samuel's Bible: presumably in his own hand.)(QUOTE) ‘I will set down some facts for my children to remember. John Bolling II and Elizabeth Blair were my grparents. She the drt. to Archibald Blair & Mary Wilson. One of their children was my father, Wm. Bolling B. 5 May 1731. My mother Amelia Randolph was drt. to Richard Randolph and w. Ann Meade. My parents were 2nd cousins, he being 5th and she 6th in descent from the Princess Pocahontas. (END QUOTE) Bowling, Samuel Spouse: Polly Hudnall Marriage Date: Jun 20, 1797 Location: Fauquier Co., Virginia Source: Family History Library, Salt Lake City, UT Microfilm: 0031632 - 0031634 Bowling, Samuel Spouse: Elizabeth Oxford Marriage Date: Oct 28, 1731 Location: King George Co., Virginia Source: Family History Library, Salt Lake City, UT Microfilm: 0032053 . *************************************************************** >From [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) Poole---Bolling Family Association: Robert Bolling made an affidavit for William Choice's children and wife in 1848. William Choice was Robert's uncle, the brother of Abigail Choice, Robert's mother. This is evidence that no family Bible record for Samuel/Abigail's family could have existed in the 1900's when Sara Sullivan Ervin said she saw it, then typed it and notarized it. That family record burned a long time prior to 1848, as the following indicates. The so-called "Bible record" of Samuel Bolling (seen in certain publications and certified by Sara Sullivan Sullivan in the mid-1900's saying that she had the original) was destroyed long before Sara Sullivan was born. Robert Bolling, son of Samuel, stated under oath that the family record had been destroyed in a fire when he gave an affidavit in 1848 for the application of William Choice's children and widow for a pension based on William's service as a Revolutionary War soldier. This affidavit is described below. Greenville District, SC, county court, 18 Oct 1848. Robert Bolling signed an affidavit in which he stated that he was present at the marriage of William Choice and Mary McDonald in Laurens District, SC, on May 10, 1786. He further stated that he was then 72 or 73 years old and that "the record of his age was burned." (Such records in that day and time would have been the family Bible.) This indicated that he was born in 1775 or 1776. This affidavit was part of the application of the children of the said William Choice and his said wife for a pension (for the service of the said William Choice in the Revolutionary War) and that both the said William Choice and his said wife Mary had been entitled to receive but did not receive. The surviving children were awarded payments for their father's service. (A more detailed summary was published by John Frederick Dorman and a copy was attached to the DAR application of Elizabeth Gambrell Garrison) This William Choice pension application was investigated by Glen Garrison, and this is what he wrote to A. D. about it a few months ago: "Robert Bolling, a son of Samuel Bolling and Abigail Choice, wrote and signed a formal affidavit on 18 October 1848 in support of a pension application based on the military service of his uncle, William Choice, in the Revolutionary War; and in this document Robert Bolling said that he was then "72 or 73 years old and the record of his age was burned." It is well known that the standard proof for date of birth at that time in this country was the date of the birth recorded by the person's parents in the family Bible. This affidavit is strong evidence that this Robert Bolling in 1848 knew that the BIBLE OF SAMUEL BOLLING AND HIS WIFE, ABIGAIL (CHOICE) BOLLING, HAD BEEN BURNED AND NO LONGER EXISTED!!!! In the 1790 federal census the family of Samuel Bolling in Laurens County, SC, contained two free white males age16 years and up, undoubtedly indicating that one was Samuel Bolling and the other one was his oldest son, Robert Bolling, Robert Bolling admitted in the aforesaid affidavit that he did not know the year of his birth, BUT I AM CONFIDENT THAT HIS PARENTS THOROUGHLY KNEW THE YEAR IN WHICH THEIR FIRST CHILD WAS BORN!!! I estimate that this Robert Bolling was born about 1773. It is recorded that Samuel Bolling and Abigail Choice were married prior to the gift of land from Tully Choice on 28 March 1771." --Joyce-- Colonial Dames XVII has recently sent out their notice of Suspened, Revised, etc. Lineages. Bolling/Blair was of particular interest. "Revised. The children of John Bolling and Elizabeth Blair are descendants of John Rolfe and Pocahontas. However, some of tthe children claimed for this couple by Zelma Wells Price using documents by Sara Sullivan Ervin of South Carolina are spurious..... For a discussion of Sara Sullivan Ervin's activities, ples see Carolyn Copeland Bland, ....Mag. Va. Gen. 25 (4) Nov 1987: 3-13. Any material bearing her (Sara S. Ervin) name or any publication citing material provided by her must be considered suspect and can NOT be used as proof, under any circumstances." ***************************************************** THE MYTH OF WILLIAM BOLLING AND AMELIA RANDOLPH Author: Janice Friel Date: 30 Mar 2005 11:13 PM GMT Classification: Query Post Reply | Mark Unread Report Abuse Print Message There seem to be many of our Bolling folks who still do not know the story of the notorious non-existent William Bolling born 1731 died 1776 with wife Amelia Randolph.” This actually should only affect the family of Samuel Bolling and Abigail Choice, since William and Amelia were “created” for the Samuel Bolling of Laurens Co., SC family. It was therefore surprising to find that some descendants of John Bolling and Ursula Bell of Orange Co., VA, thought that this fictional couple were their ancestors, as well [perhaps since John is indeed the brother of Samuel of Laurens]. The person who created William and Amelia made him up to fit their requirements, so that they and other family members could claim ancestral descent from Pocahontas through Samuel Bolling. An elaborate family record was supposedly written by Samuel himself, stating that he was born on “27 Septmbr 1758.” The so-called “Bible record” was then distributed and included in a book South Carolinians in the Revolution. The treachery and deceit finally were discovered by researchers, who realized that Samuel could not have been born in 1758, since his father-in-law Tully Choice deeded him land in 1771. The South Carolina Genealogy Society was appalled, as many lineages had been based on information from South Carolinians in the Revolution. Even the DAR had accepted it as a true source on a number of DAR members’ applications. After the discovery was made, the fictional account was exposed in the South Carolina Society's publications. Neither DAR nor Colonial Dames will accept this book anymore -- or of course the fraudulent Bible record-- as documentation. It was quite a scandal in SC and in genealogical circles. Sometime later, this information was given to the Bolling Family Association. It took awhile, but they have now accepted the "awful truth" and have removed William and Amelia from their records. It's pretty hard to believe that anyone would make up one Bible record, but this person did another one on the Sullivan family. The Sullivan fake family Bible was exposed in an article in the Magazine of Virginia Genealogy, a really wonderful research paper by Mrs. Carolyn Bland. If you would like to read it, it's in Vol. 2, #4, pp3-13. Mrs. Bland conferred with Bolling descendants, and it was realized that both Bibles had similar wording, very odd ways of speaking, one supposedly being written by James Sullivan, Sr. and the other by Samuel Bolling. It was obvious that both accounts had been authored by the same person. The descendants of Samuel Bolling and John Bolling should remove all references to William Bolling born 1731, died 1776, and Amelia Randolph from your Bolling material as soon as possible. Please help us to disseminate this information among this family’s descendants, so that no others will be misled. Samuel was a small child when he was named as a son of William of Orange Co., VA in a “longest-liver lease” dated 1749. Therefore, he was probably born around 1744. He probably met Abigail Choice when her father Tully Choice lived in Orange Co., and followed them to Pittsylvania Co., VA, where he and Abigail married before 1771. Information compiled by: Joyce Poole, descendant of John Bolling and Ursula Bell. Joyce Poole was informed of new information concerning the origins of the fake Samuel Bolling “bible record” from Glen Garrison on 5/28/2006. Glen has two separate copies of the “bible record” which were sent to him in 1981 by Edna Mae Watson (Mrs. M. H.). These are xerox copies of the two records which she had found in the Laurens, SC Library in 1972 in the DAR Bible Records, pages 23 and 24 in the volume and she had written “193” as though that might be a library reference number. These are the sources for false dates, or made-up dates. Two different birth dates of 1758 and 1752 are given on the two records for Samuel Bolling. The birth date of 1759 and death date of 12 Jul 1832 are given for his wife Abigail Choice. A fictitious child named Mehitable Bolling who married Mr. Tarrant is also in the records. Whoever prepared the records, finding that the birth date of Samuel Bolling in 1758 was too late, made a 2nd record, backing up Samuel's birth date to 1752. On one of the records, Samuel’s death date was given as 1 Sep 1808, but this too is probably made up or was an assumption based on his will date. The other record copy is so faint that Glen cannot tell what it says on all the dates. One of the records states that Elizabeth Bolling dau of Samuel/Abigail was born about 1782, married James Dunklin, and died on 1 Feb 1809. One of the records says that it was found in the papers of a daughter of Samuel Bolling who married James Sullivan." This record further stated that it was copied by Sara Sullivan Ervin and placed in the DAR records. Some years ago, Glen examined the voluminous genealogy files of Boyce Mitchell in the area of Laurens Co., SC after Mitchell’s death. Mr. Mitchell was a professional genealogist who helped people with their family history in the early 1900’s, when frequently genealogies were created to connect to famous people. Glen found a lot of material about Pocahontas and the Bolling family, including writings about the legitimate Col. William Bolling who married Mary Randolph and served in the War of 1812. This could have been the model for the fictitious William 1731-1776 who married the equally fictious Amelia Randolph. These so-called "bible records" are still causing trouble as of May 2006. The DAR has the bible records in their files and are using them as documentation for erroneous information on applications for membership and supplementals. Glen is in contact with the Corrections Genealogist for DAR, hoping to get this settled. --Joyce-- Folks, I'm attaching the only copy I have of one of the family records fabricated by S.S.E. for your files. When I looked at this, I realized that I need to change the death date on Elizabeth Bolling, wife of James Dunklin, on the report I sent to you all recently. This is surely the source of "1819 in SC" for her death. It is in this copy of the "Bolling Bible" which was published by Jane Allison Brennand on p. 92 of her book Bolling-Allison Family. Jane Brennand said she obtained a "certified copy from Sara Sullivan Ervin" and included it in her book. I scanned this record for you to see. The James Sullivan "so-called Bible record" is very similar in form and uses the same strange abbreviations and wording as this one. The Sullivan "record" is what caused Carolyn Bland to write her article "Entrenched Disinformation" in the Virginia Magazine of Genealogy, Vol. 25, #4, pp3-13. Then Carolyn and Sue Senter compared the Sullivan and Bolling "Bibles" and learned that they were done by the same person. There seem to be many of our Bolling folks who still do not know the story of the “notorious non-existent William Bolling born 1731 died 1776 with wife Amelia Randolph.” This actually should only affect the family of Samuel Bolling and Abigail Choice, since William and Amelia were “created” for the Samuel Bolling of Laurens Co., SC family. It was therefore surprising to find that some descendants of John Bolling and Ursula Bell of Orange Co., VA, thought that this fictional couple were their ancestors, as well [perhaps since John is indeed the brother of Samuel of Laurens]. The person who created William and Amelia made him up to fit their requirements, so that they and other family members could claim ancestral descent from Pocahontas through Samuel Bolling. An elaborate family record was supposedly written by Samuel himself, stating that he was born on “27 Septmbr 1758.” The so-called “Bible record” was then distributed and included in a book South Carolinians in the Revolution. The treachery and deceit finally were discovered by researchers, who realized that Samuel could not have been born in 1758, since his father-in-law Tully Choice deeded him land in 1771. The South Carolina Genealogy Society was appalled, as many lineages had been based on information from South Carolinians in the Revolution. Even the DAR had accepted it as a true source on a number of DAR members’ applications. After the discovery was made, the fictional account was exposed in the South Carolina Society's publications. Neither DAR nor Colonial Dames will accept this book anymore -- or of course the fraudulent Bible record-- as documentation. It was quite a scandal in SC and in genealogical circles. Sometime later, this information was given to the Bolling Family Association. It took awhile, but they have now accepted the "awful truth" and have removed William and Amelia from their records. It's pretty hard to believe that anyone would make up one Bible record, but this person did another one on the Sullivan family. The Sullivan fake family Bible was exposed in an article in the Magazine of Virginia Genealogy, a really wonderful research paper by Mrs. Carolyn Bland. If you would like to read it, it's in Vol. 2, #4, pp3-13. Mrs. Bland conferred with Bolling descendants, and it was realized that both Bibles had similar wording, very odd ways of speaking, one supposedly being written by James Sullivan, Sr. and the other by Samuel B olling. It was obvious that both accounts had been authored by the same person. The descendants of Samuel Bolling and John Bolling should remove all references to William Bolling born 1731, died 1776, and Amelia Randolph from your Bolling material as soon as possible. Please help us to disseminate this information among this family’s descendants, so that no others will be misled. Samuel was a small child when he was named as a son of William of Orange Co., VA in a “longest-liver lease” dated 1749. Therefore, he was probably born around 1744. He probably met Abigail Choice when her father Tully Choice lived in Orange Co., and followed them to Pittsylvania Co., VA, where he and Abigail married before 1771. Information compiled by: Joyce Poole, descendant of John Bolling and Ursula Bell.

Thomas Griffin's wife was Elizabeth Lee, not Elizabeth Glascock, as best I can tell. I haven't done a lot of work on that family. Craig is right about Elizabeth Glascock, though. Hall, "Allerton of Virginia", _The Virginia Genealogist_ 33(2): 95: "Travers-5 Colston . . . married (1) Alice Corbin Griffin, daughter of Thomas and Elizabeth (Lee) Griffin [n.: Richmond Co., Va., Will Bk. 5, p. 199; F.B.S. Hodges, _Genealogy of the Beale Family_ (Ann Arbor, MI, 1956), p. 214.]." The Librarian at the DAR Library told me about 10 or 15 years ago that the wife of Thomas Griffin was a dau. of Richard Lee and Anne Constable, but that Elizabeth "Betsey" Lee was the wife of Leonard Howson. The two Elizabeth Lees were a generation apart. I have not found the parents of Elizabeth (Lee) Griffin. Kathleen Much

Charlene, There has got to be a good story here. Tell us more! Craig On Sep 5, 2011, at 8:13 PM, [email protected] wrote: > Many people joined DAR under a forged Bible Record of my many-grt uncle > Samuel BOWLING who m Abigail CHOICE.

Craig, Thank you for the correction. TARPLEYs are not my line. I researched them when there was a claim on the net that they were related to my line of BOWLING. Many people joined DAR under a forged Bible Record of my many-grt uncle Samuel BOWLING who m Abigail CHOICE. There was, in fact, a Mary TARPLEY who m a John BOWLING, but it was not our line. I will correct my data. Thanks Again. Charlene REEDS-EBELING Genealogical Direct Lines: DAD'S SIDE: REEDS, PORTER, WEAVER(Tilman), RICHARDSON, BOWLING (Group 7), WOOD, ISRAEL, CRAIG, LAIRD, HACKLEY, BALL, CORBIN, ELTONHEAD, TAYLOE, WILLIAMSON, UNDERWOOD, KEENE, WITHERS, MAUZY, CONYERS, WITHERS, KEENE, DUNCAN (Joseph and Lydia-VA), SHIPPEY, MOTT, PIGG, BELL (Stone Church and Roger-Orange Co., Va), BEARD/BAIRD, CARTER (Giles and Theodorick line), WEBB, WADDILL, MICHAUX, CUNNINGHAM---VA --Plus WHITE, HAGERTY, FLATLEY--Green Bay MOMS SIDE: CORNELL/CORNWELL (NY), COONS/KUNTZ, ANSCHICKS, BECKER, STEDMAN, MORSE, REITZ, BUTZ, KNAUSS, DIEHL, PATTERMAN, THULL, MEHAN, ROMIG, CARL, SIEGFRIED In a message dated 9/5/2011 2:35:54 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: This is a different Elizabeth Glasscock, and not the daughter of Anne Glascock you mention. The will of Anne Glascock dated 6 FEB 1713, proved 7 APR 1714, names grandson John Tarpley son of Capt. John Tarpley, and daughter Anne Tarpley. Anne was the sister of the Elizabeth Glascock who was the first wife of Capt. John Tarpley, and the mother of his only child, John II.

Charlene REEDS-EBELING Genealogical Direct Lines: DAD'S SIDE: REEDS, PORTER, WEAVER(Tilman), RICHARDSON, BOWLING (Group 7), WOOD, ISRAEL, CRAIG, LAIRD, HACKLEY, BALL, CORBIN, ELTONHEAD, TAYLOE, WILLIAMSON, UNDERWOOD, KEENE, WITHERS, MAUZY, CONYERS, WITHERS, KEENE, DUNCAN (Joseph and Lydia-VA), SHIPPEY, MOTT, PIGG, BELL (Stone Church and Roger-Orange Co., Va), BEARD/BAIRD, CARTER (Giles and Theodorick line), WEBB, WADDILL, MICHAUX, CUNNINGHAM---VA --Plus WHITE, HAGERTY, FLATLEY--Green Bay MOMS SIDE: CORNELL/CORNWELL (NY), COONS/KUNTZ, ANSCHICKS, BECKER, STEDMAN, MORSE, REITZ, BUTZ, KNAUSS, DIEHL, PATTERMAN, THULL, MEHAN, ROMIG, CARL, SIEGFRIED In a message dated 9/5/2011 2:35:54 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Charlene, This is a different Elizabeth Glasscock, and not the daughter of Anne Glascock you mention. The will of Anne Glascock dated 6 FEB 1713, proved 7 APR 1714, names grandson John Tarpley son of Capt. John Tarpley, and daughter Anne Tarpley. Anne was the sister of the Elizabeth Glascock who was the first wife of Capt. John Tarpley, and the mother of his only child, John II. Anne Glasscock's will also names a grandson Anthony Sydnor, and granddaughter Anne Barber, son George Glascock, daughters Anne Tarpley, Frances Barber, Joan Lawson, and Mary Hipkins, and grandson George Glascock. Son-in-law Charles Barber and Rowland Lawson, executors. Witnessed by William Downman and Thomas Glascock. (Headley, Wills of Richmond County 1693-1800, p. 27 citing Wills & Inventories 1707-1717m o, 163). Sorry to have to re-arrange your tree here. But you will notice that Anne Glassock's will mentions no daughter Elizabeth, just her son John Tarpley II. She had died by the time Anne wrote her will. She can't be the Elizabeth you have in your tree place here. Again, there was no son James Glasock born to this union. That was his brother James. He is not named in Anne Glascock's will as a grand child nor in any other document, so I don't know where that notion has come from by you and Janean. Craig On Sep 5, 2011, at 3:13 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > > > > In a message dated 9/5/2011 1:53:05 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Yes he m. Elizabeth Glascock, Elizabeth Nutt Newman and Ann Glascock. With > Elizabeth Glascock he had James and John (that I show). Son John was born > 16 Jul 1695 and d. bef. 7 Feb. 1736/7. Son John m. abt. 1715 to (1) > Elizabeth Travers and (2)Elizabeth Ripping. > > > **************************************************************************** > ************************ > I have Elizabeth GLASCOCK m Thomas GRIFFIN. Thomas was the son of Col. > Leroy GRIFFIN b. 1646 d bef 1688 and Winnifred CORBIN 16661-1711, my many-grt > aunt. > > Descendants of Thomas Glasscock > > 1 Thomas Glasscock - 1713 d: Bef. 1713 > .. +Anne Nichols - 1713 d: Bet. 03/03/1713 - 04/07/1714 in Richmond Co., > Virginia > ..... 2 Jean/Joan Glasscock 1673 - b: 07/10/1673 > ......... +Rowland Lawson III > ..... 2 George Glasscock 1683 - b: Abt. 1683 > ......... +Million Downman 1683 - 1770 b: 11/21/1683 in Richmond Co., > Virginia d: 10/25/1770 > ..... 2 Frances Glasscock 1680 - b: 07/14/1680 > ......... +Charles Barber, Col. 1676 - 1726 b: 06/19/1676 in North > Farnham Parish, Richmond Co., Virginia d: 11/24/1726 in Richmond Co., Virginia > ..... 2 Mary Glasscock 1690 - b: 01/02/1690 > ......... +John Hopkins 1690 - b: Abt. 1690 > ..... 2 [1] Elizabeth Glasscock 1684 - 1761 b: Abt. 1684 d: Bef. 1761 > ......... +Thomas Griffin 1684 - 1733 b: 09/20/1684 d: Bef. 06/04/1733 in > Richmond Co., Va. > ..... *2nd Husband of [1] Elizabeth Glasscock: > ......... +William Downman > ..... 2 Winifred Glasscock 1684 - b: Abt. 1684 > ......... +Anthony Sydnor 1682 - 1759 b: 01/18/1682 in Lancaster Co., > Virginia d: 10/1759 in Richmond Co., Virginia > ..... 2 [2] Anne Glasscock 1673 - 1740 b: 11/10/1673 in Lancaster Co., > Virginia d: 07/24/1740 in Richmond Co., Virginia > ......... +John Tarpley, Jr. 1661 - 1739 b: 1661 in North Farnham Parish, > Richmond Co., Virginia d: Abt. 1739 in North Farnham Parish, Richmond Co., > Virginia > ..... *2nd Husband of [2] Anne Glasscock: > ......... +John Nelson 1675 - 1748 b: 1675 in Lancashire, England d: 1748 > in Fauquier Co., Virginia > > > Richmond County, Virginia; WILL BOOK 4, 1717-1725 > p.196 - Mary CARPENTER, Farn. Par., will; 22 Dec 1721, 3 Jan 1721/22 > Frances BARBER; Jean LAWSON; Elizabeth and Anne (daus. of Charles BARBER); Mary > BARBER; Thomas and Charles (sons of Charles BARBER); Anne (dau. of Thomas > GRIFFIN); Thomas GRIFFIN and his wife; bro. Thomas GLASCOCK; John and Thomas > (sons of Thomas GLASCOCK); Capt. William WOODBRIDGE; Samuel HIPKINS; John > TARPLEY Jr; John TARPLEY Sr; Winifred and Alice (daus. of Thomas GRIFFIN); > Anne (wife of John TARPLEY); Million GLASCOCK; Elizabeth DOWNNAN; all land > in Lanc. Co. to Anne the wife of Col. John TARPLEY; William GLASCOCK; Sarah > (dau. to Thomas GLASCOCK; ex: John TARPLEY Sr. and John TARPLEY Jr.; wits: > Alexander MATSON, John BROWN, [Hanner KELLIE] [Mary CARPENTER may have > been the wife of Thomas CARPENTER whose will was rec. 10 Jul 1728 in Lanc. 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Janean and all, Two things: This whole Tarpley tree is confusing under the best of circumstance. When I first talked to Scott about publishing this in the Magazine of Virginia Genealogy, he sent me a draft manuscript and even though I had been working with him for some time, I was confused. I stressed the importance of spelling out the tree explicitly in the introduction to the article, because believe it gets a whole lot more confusing later on. As it stands now, the detailed follow-up article is still in the hands of Barbara Vines Little. She promised in a future issue, but I think even she is still struggling through with it. You are right about the first marriage of Elizabeth Tarpley to Thomas Harwar. Now I'm going to change the subject a little bit because if we think the Tarpley's are confusing, so is the whole Harwar mess. Another recent project for me has been to work on the Strother family, and this line gets drug in and there are some seriously conflicting source documents about who was who. And while I'm at it, I may as well mention that while I was back in Missouri last June I did some research for this same client on her Glascock line in Ralls County. Seems these people just tumble down life's lane like a tangled ball of yarn. I do NOT off-hand remember the conflict with Harwar and/or allied lines but it was pretty serious. I'll try to figure that out and report back. Craig P.S. The only Mayflower descent through Tarpley is through Elizabeth Travers through her mother Frances Allerton. John II Tarpley did have a son James by 2nd wife Elizabeth Ripping, and a son John (Jr.) by Elizabeth Ripping. But John II had no siblings. On Sep 5, 2011, at 5:47 PM, Janean Ray wrote: > I know you meant James Tarpley not James Glascock. I think I found where I > got my misinformation. > > I just found an email I sent to someone last year apparently confusing > brother of John - James, for son of John. BUT I'm still looking to see > where I got that information at..... long ago. But what I found so far was > a 2009 communication with someone who was working on a Mayflower application > for a friend through John Tarpley. She sent me copies of many things. > States she has proof of the half brother of John, son of Elizabeth Ripping, > died in York Co. prior to Feb. 1764. I just found a 2004 email from another > person who supposedly descends from John Tarpley #2, brother to my Travers > Tarpley... and he m. Ann Griffin d/o Thomas Griffin.. and gave me the line > of descent to her. > > Ok in looking through my Mayflower book I see where it confirms that > Elizabeth Travers died shortly after having twins b. 28 May 1720. She m. 1 > Thomas Harwar..and had Elizabeth, Ann and Frances Harwar. She m. 2. John > Tarpley....they had twins John and Elizabeth. HE m. 2. Elizabeth Ripping > having then Edward, James, John and Tertius Quintus. > > On 23 Nov. 1704 Thomas Harwar of Essex Co. Va planter, aged 25, deposed in > London Eng. about the will of his father Thomas Harwar of Essex Co. who died > 23 March 1703/4. > > The will of Thomas Harwar dated 25 May 1713, proved 8 Oct. 1713, names > daus. Elizabeth and Frances and an unborn child. > > On 19 Sept. 1721 John Tarpley Jr. reported to the Essex Co. Court that his > wife died intestate and instigated a suit against Leonard Hill, Gent. as > exec. of Thomas Harwar, dec. >

I know you meant James Tarpley not James Glascock. I think I found where I got my misinformation. I just found an email I sent to someone last year apparently confusing brother of John - James, for son of John. BUT I'm still looking to see where I got that information at..... long ago. But what I found so far was a 2009 communication with someone who was working on a Mayflower application for a friend through John Tarpley. She sent me copies of many things. States she has proof of the half brother of John, son of Elizabeth Ripping, died in York Co. prior to Feb. 1764. I just found a 2004 email from another person who supposedly descends from John Tarpley #2, brother to my Travers Tarpley... and he m. Ann Griffin d/o Thomas Griffin.. and gave me the line of descent to her. Ok in looking through my Mayflower book I see where it confirms that Elizabeth Travers died shortly after having twins b. 28 May 1720. She m. 1 Thomas Harwar..and had Elizabeth, Ann and Frances Harwar. She m. 2. John Tarpley....they had twins John and Elizabeth. HE m. 2. Elizabeth Ripping having then Edward, James, John and Tertius Quintus. On 23 Nov. 1704 Thomas Harwar of Essex Co. Va planter, aged 25, deposed in London Eng. about the will of his father Thomas Harwar of Essex Co. who died 23 March 1703/4. The will of Thomas Harwar dated 25 May 1713, proved 8 Oct. 1713, names daus. Elizabeth and Frances and an unborn child. On 19 Sept. 1721 John Tarpley Jr. reported to the Essex Co. Court that his wife died intestate and instigated a suit against Leonard Hill, Gent. as exec. of Thomas Harwar, dec. Janean -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Craig Kilby Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 3:35 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Tarpleys/GLASSCOCKs Charlene, This is a different Elizabeth Glasscock, and not the daughter of Anne Glascock you mention. The will of Anne Glascock dated 6 FEB 1713, proved 7 APR 1714, names grandson John Tarpley son of Capt. John Tarpley, and daughter Anne Tarpley. Anne was the sister of the Elizabeth Glascock who was the first wife of Capt. John Tarpley, and the mother of his only child, John II. Anne Glasscock's will also names a grandson Anthony Sydnor, and granddaughter Anne Barber, son George Glascock, daughters Anne Tarpley, Frances Barber, Joan Lawson, and Mary Hipkins, and grandson George Glascock. Son-in-law Charles Barber and Rowland Lawson, executors. Witnessed by William Downman and Thomas Glascock. (Headley, Wills of Richmond County 1693-1800, p. 27 citing Wills & Inventories 1707-1717m o, 163). Sorry to have to re-arrange your tree here. But you will notice that Anne Glassock's will mentions no daughter Elizabeth, just her son John Tarpley II. She had died by the time Anne wrote her will. She can't be the Elizabeth you have in your tree place here. Again, there was no son James Glasock born to this union. That was his brother James. He is not named in Anne Glascock's will as a grand child nor in any other document, so I don't know where that notion has come from by you and Janean. Craig On Sep 5, 2011, at 3:13 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > > > > In a message dated 9/5/2011 1:53:05 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Yes he m. Elizabeth Glascock, Elizabeth Nutt Newman and Ann Glascock. With > Elizabeth Glascock he had James and John (that I show). Son John was born > 16 Jul 1695 and d. bef. 7 Feb. 1736/7. Son John m. abt. 1715 to (1) > Elizabeth Travers and (2)Elizabeth Ripping. > > > **************************************************************************** > ************************ > I have Elizabeth GLASCOCK m Thomas GRIFFIN. Thomas was the son of Col. > Leroy GRIFFIN b. 1646 d bef 1688 and Winnifred CORBIN 16661-1711, my many-grt > aunt. > > Descendants of Thomas Glasscock > > 1 Thomas Glasscock - 1713 d: Bef. 1713 > .. +Anne Nichols - 1713 d: Bet. 03/03/1713 - 04/07/1714 in Richmond Co., > Virginia > ..... 2 Jean/Joan Glasscock 1673 - b: 07/10/1673 > ......... +Rowland Lawson III > ..... 2 George Glasscock 1683 - b: Abt. 1683 > ......... +Million Downman 1683 - 1770 b: 11/21/1683 in Richmond Co., > Virginia d: 10/25/1770 > ..... 2 Frances Glasscock 1680 - b: 07/14/1680 > ......... +Charles Barber, Col. 1676 - 1726 b: 06/19/1676 in North > Farnham Parish, Richmond Co., Virginia d: 11/24/1726 in Richmond Co., Virginia > ..... 2 Mary Glasscock 1690 - b: 01/02/1690 > ......... +John Hopkins 1690 - b: Abt. 1690 > ..... 2 [1] Elizabeth Glasscock 1684 - 1761 b: Abt. 1684 d: Bef. 1761 > ......... +Thomas Griffin 1684 - 1733 b: 09/20/1684 d: Bef. 06/04/1733 in > Richmond Co., Va. > ..... *2nd Husband of [1] Elizabeth Glasscock: > ......... +William Downman > ..... 2 Winifred Glasscock 1684 - b: Abt. 1684 > ......... +Anthony Sydnor 1682 - 1759 b: 01/18/1682 in Lancaster Co., > Virginia d: 10/1759 in Richmond Co., Virginia > ..... 2 [2] Anne Glasscock 1673 - 1740 b: 11/10/1673 in Lancaster Co., > Virginia d: 07/24/1740 in Richmond Co., Virginia > ......... +John Tarpley, Jr. 1661 - 1739 b: 1661 in North Farnham Parish, > Richmond Co., Virginia d: Abt. 1739 in North Farnham Parish, Richmond Co., > Virginia > ..... *2nd Husband of [2] Anne Glasscock: > ......... +John Nelson 1675 - 1748 b: 1675 in Lancashire, England d: 1748 > in Fauquier Co., Virginia > > > Richmond County, Virginia; WILL BOOK 4, 1717-1725 > p.196 - Mary CARPENTER, Farn. Par., will; 22 Dec 1721, 3 Jan 1721/22 > Frances BARBER; Jean LAWSON; Elizabeth and Anne (daus. of Charles BARBER); Mary > BARBER; Thomas and Charles (sons of Charles BARBER); Anne (dau. of Thomas > GRIFFIN); Thomas GRIFFIN and his wife; bro. Thomas GLASCOCK; John and Thomas > (sons of Thomas GLASCOCK); Capt. William WOODBRIDGE; Samuel HIPKINS; John > TARPLEY Jr; John TARPLEY Sr; Winifred and Alice (daus. of Thomas GRIFFIN); > Anne (wife of John TARPLEY); Million GLASCOCK; Elizabeth DOWNNAN; all land > in Lanc. Co. to Anne the wife of Col. John TARPLEY; William GLASCOCK; Sarah > (dau. to Thomas GLASCOCK; ex: John TARPLEY Sr. and John TARPLEY Jr.; wits: > Alexander MATSON, John BROWN, [Hanner KELLIE] [Mary CARPENTER may have > been the wife of Thomas CARPENTER whose will was rec. 10 Jul 1728 in Lanc. 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The father was also James b. abt. 1625/30 d. 1663/64 m. Mary Unknown. Came to Virginia in 1664. Headright of Richard Wbley. Had grant of 7200 acres in Rappahannock and Northumberland Counties, Virginia. Wife unknown. No will found for him. Sons James b.abt. 1659 (Mary Biddecombe)w/children John, Thomas, Charles, James, William and daughters Mary, Elizabeth and Lucy. John b.abt. 1661 (Elizabeth Glascock/Elizabeth Nutt(Newman)/Ann Glascock) w/children (I show James and John) No children were named in the will of their father, only grandchildren. Interesting note I found though..... [John Tarpley was born to John and Ann Tarpley 13 Dec. 1738 about two months after this will was written] That would mean that John Tarpley #1 had two sons by the name of John. First b. to Elizabeth Glascock... 1695 and Second to her sister Ann Glascock in 1738. OH this gets confusing. Janean -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Craig Kilby Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 3:14 PM To: Northern Neck Northern Neck List Subject: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Ooops! James Tarpley d. 1713 Correction to my last message. The James Tarpley who died in Richmond County in 1713 was the BROTHER of the first John Tarpley, not the father. I don't know when the father died. Craig ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Charlene, This is a different Elizabeth Glasscock, and not the daughter of Anne Glascock you mention. The will of Anne Glascock dated 6 FEB 1713, proved 7 APR 1714, names grandson John Tarpley son of Capt. John Tarpley, and daughter Anne Tarpley. Anne was the sister of the Elizabeth Glascock who was the first wife of Capt. John Tarpley, and the mother of his only child, John II. Anne Glasscock's will also names a grandson Anthony Sydnor, and granddaughter Anne Barber, son George Glascock, daughters Anne Tarpley, Frances Barber, Joan Lawson, and Mary Hipkins, and grandson George Glascock. Son-in-law Charles Barber and Rowland Lawson, executors. Witnessed by William Downman and Thomas Glascock. (Headley, Wills of Richmond County 1693-1800, p. 27 citing Wills & Inventories 1707-1717m o, 163). Sorry to have to re-arrange your tree here. But you will notice that Anne Glassock's will mentions no daughter Elizabeth, just her son John Tarpley II. She had died by the time Anne wrote her will. She can't be the Elizabeth you have in your tree place here. Again, there was no son James Glasock born to this union. That was his brother James. He is not named in Anne Glascock's will as a grand child nor in any other document, so I don't know where that notion has come from by you and Janean. Craig On Sep 5, 2011, at 3:13 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > > > > In a message dated 9/5/2011 1:53:05 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Yes he m. Elizabeth Glascock, Elizabeth Nutt Newman and Ann Glascock. With > Elizabeth Glascock he had James and John (that I show). Son John was born > 16 Jul 1695 and d. bef. 7 Feb. 1736/7. Son John m. abt. 1715 to (1) > Elizabeth Travers and (2)Elizabeth Ripping. > > > **************************************************************************** > ************************ > I have Elizabeth GLASCOCK m Thomas GRIFFIN. Thomas was the son of Col. > Leroy GRIFFIN b. 1646 d bef 1688 and Winnifred CORBIN 16661-1711, my many-grt > aunt. > > Descendants of Thomas Glasscock > > 1 Thomas Glasscock - 1713 d: Bef. 1713 > .. +Anne Nichols - 1713 d: Bet. 03/03/1713 - 04/07/1714 in Richmond Co., > Virginia > ..... 2 Jean/Joan Glasscock 1673 - b: 07/10/1673 > ......... +Rowland Lawson III > ..... 2 George Glasscock 1683 - b: Abt. 1683 > ......... +Million Downman 1683 - 1770 b: 11/21/1683 in Richmond Co., > Virginia d: 10/25/1770 > ..... 2 Frances Glasscock 1680 - b: 07/14/1680 > ......... +Charles Barber, Col. 1676 - 1726 b: 06/19/1676 in North > Farnham Parish, Richmond Co., Virginia d: 11/24/1726 in Richmond Co., Virginia > ..... 2 Mary Glasscock 1690 - b: 01/02/1690 > ......... +John Hopkins 1690 - b: Abt. 1690 > ..... 2 [1] Elizabeth Glasscock 1684 - 1761 b: Abt. 1684 d: Bef. 1761 > ......... +Thomas Griffin 1684 - 1733 b: 09/20/1684 d: Bef. 06/04/1733 in > Richmond Co., Va. > ..... *2nd Husband of [1] Elizabeth Glasscock: > ......... +William Downman > ..... 2 Winifred Glasscock 1684 - b: Abt. 1684 > ......... +Anthony Sydnor 1682 - 1759 b: 01/18/1682 in Lancaster Co., > Virginia d: 10/1759 in Richmond Co., Virginia > ..... 2 [2] Anne Glasscock 1673 - 1740 b: 11/10/1673 in Lancaster Co., > Virginia d: 07/24/1740 in Richmond Co., Virginia > ......... +John Tarpley, Jr. 1661 - 1739 b: 1661 in North Farnham Parish, > Richmond Co., Virginia d: Abt. 1739 in North Farnham Parish, Richmond Co., > Virginia > ..... *2nd Husband of [2] Anne Glasscock: > ......... +John Nelson 1675 - 1748 b: 1675 in Lancashire, England d: 1748 > in Fauquier Co., Virginia > > > Richmond County, Virginia; WILL BOOK 4, 1717-1725 > p.196 - Mary CARPENTER, Farn. Par., will; 22 Dec 1721, 3 Jan 1721/22 > Frances BARBER; Jean LAWSON; Elizabeth and Anne (daus. of Charles BARBER); Mary > BARBER; Thomas and Charles (sons of Charles BARBER); Anne (dau. of Thomas > GRIFFIN); Thomas GRIFFIN and his wife; bro. Thomas GLASCOCK; John and Thomas > (sons of Thomas GLASCOCK); Capt. William WOODBRIDGE; Samuel HIPKINS; John > TARPLEY Jr; John TARPLEY Sr; Winifred and Alice (daus. of Thomas GRIFFIN); > Anne (wife of John TARPLEY); Million GLASCOCK; Elizabeth DOWNNAN; all land > in Lanc. Co. to Anne the wife of Col. John TARPLEY; William GLASCOCK; Sarah > (dau. to Thomas GLASCOCK; ex: John TARPLEY Sr. and John TARPLEY Jr.; wits: > Alexander MATSON, John BROWN, [Hanner KELLIE] [Mary CARPENTER may have > been the wife of Thomas CARPENTER whose will was rec. 10 Jul 1728 in Lanc. Co. > WLC, p.35.1