thank you !!   now running down this one   mm/Montreal     === 1713-1714  Richmond Co VA Order Book 6; Antient Press: (Page 138) Richmond County Court 2d of September 1713 - The Nuncupative Will of MARY PEACHEY, deced., was presented in Court by MRS. MARY TARPLEY, who made Oath thereto, and JOHN TARPLEY, Gent., upon Oath, that he wrote the same by the directions of the deced., and that at the time of takeing the said directions to the best of his Judgment she was in perfect sence and memory; whereupon it is admitted to Record. And at the motion of MRS. MARY TARPLEY and her performing what is usuall in such case, Certificate is granted her for obtaining Letters of Administration with the Will annext in due form - FRANCIS LUCAS, EDGCOMB SUGGITT, JAMES SUGGITT and GILES WEBB or any three of them are appointed sometime between this and the next Court to inventory and appraise all and singular the Estate of MRS. MARY PEACHEY, deced., as shall be presented to their view /the said Estate to be appraised in money and make report thereof to the next Court. WILLIAM WOODBRIDGE, Gent., or any other Justices of the Peace for this County, is requested to administer an Oath to the Appraisers for their true appraisment of the deced.'s Estate and also to MRS. MARY TARPLEY, the Admrx. with the Will annext, for her true discovery thereof. And it is further ordered that ye same p:sons appointed to appraise ye Estate, doe divide the same and make report thereof accordingly From: Kathleen Much <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 4:07 PM >Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] William Downman d 1712 & Wife Elizabeth > >Janean is right that William's (d 1712) only wife was Million Travers; >probably the mention of "Elizabeth" as executrix either refers to their >daughter or is an error. William and Million had 9 children, including >Elizabeth b 26 Jan 1688/9. > >Janean is also right to caution against using abstracts alone. In >particular, the attribution of the 1727 will is a glaring error. When I got >hold of a photocopy of it, it was obvious to me that it is MILLION Downman's >will, not another William's as Headley has it in his abstracts. I suspect >that he read it in a hurry and wasn't expecting the given name Millan, which >does look similar to William in an 18th-century hand. Men's wills are much >more common than women's, anyway. > >A number of researchers have contorted the evidence of the abstracts to >conjure up another William Downman in the sequence. He did not exist. > >Richmond Co., VA, Will Book 5, pp. 75-76, photocopy in possession of K. >Much: "March 31: 1727. In the name of God amen. I Millan [sic] Downman of >the County of Richmond and in the parrish of North Farnham being in perfect >health and memory but considering the uncertainty of this life I do make >this my Last Will and Testament in manner and form following, first: I give >my soul into the hand of almighty God who gave it me and I Bequeath my body >to the Earth to receive Christian Burial and as for the worldly goods God >hath Blest me with I Bestow as followeth. I give unto my son Travers Downman >four Negroes and their increase Mary, James, Anne, and Flora. I give them to >him and his heirs for ever they are already received. Item I give unto my >above said son one feather Bed and furniture if not received already. I lend >unto my Daughter Priscilla Heale five negroes with their increase for the >term of her life Dinah, King, Robin, Dick, and Hester, and I give the above >said negroes and their increase unto the heirs Lawfully Begotten of her Body >but for want of such heirs the above said negroes and increase shall return >to my sons and Daughters or my next heirs at Law. Item I give unto my >aforesaid Daughter tenn [?] sheep. Item I give unto my two grand sons >William and Rawleigh sons of my son Rawleigh Downman the iith [?] part of >that Estate left by my sister Elizabeth Wormley but the same shall remain in >the hands of my two sons to be mannaged for their best advantage untill they >come to twenty years of age and then they shall have it themselves. I lend >unto my Daughter Elizabeth Downman During her life one Negroe Wooman and her >increase and I give the above said Negroe to her heirs Lawfully Begotten of >her body but for want of such heirs the above negroe and increase shall >return to my sons or my next heirs at Law. I order as much of this Estate as >I possess as will be four parts and each part made equall by men [?] to that >part my Daughter Heale had which parts I give to be equally divided to my >sons William Downman and Travers Downman and my two Daughters Millian >Glasscock and Elizabeth Downman each one taking their part by Lott. Item I >give unto my Daughter Elizabeth one feather bed and furniture, and all the >rest of my Estate I give to be equally Divided Between my two sons and my >three Daughters William Downman and Travers Downman Millian Glasscock >Elisabeth Downman and Priscilla Heale, after my Debts and Legacies paid I >give all my wearing cloths to be eaqually Divided Between my three >Daughters. Lastly I make and appoint my two sons to be whole and sole >executors of this my Last Will and Testament. Signed seald and declared in >presence of us. >"The Eighth day of June 1727. William Glasscock, Tobias Phillips, and Caron >Brannon in open court made oath that they are acquainted with the >handwriting of Mrs: Million Downman Late Deceased, and that they do verily >believe this Will was wrote by her, also William Downman Gent. made oath in >court that he found this writing amongst the said Million Downman's papers >and doth verily believe to be her own handwriting Whereupon on the motion of >the said William Downman the same is ordered to be Recorded. Test. W: >Beckwith Clk. Court." > >There was another William, the son of Million and William. He was born 1685 >and died between 1739 and 1741. He married Anne Ball and had 7 children >(Bill McCarty and I found no evidence that a Francis was among the children, >as _The Chinn Book_ claims. We think Margaret Lewis misread "Travis" as >"Francis". It was an alternate spelling of "Travers", William's mother's >surname). > >Kathleen > >On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 2:01 AM, Janean wrote: > >> >> Ok I think I've figured it out...... Basically, Elizabeth is their >> daughter. >> Mom, Million was unable to come to court to administer the oath of her >> husbands will when they wanted to prove it on May 7th 1712 so John Tarpley >> and James Griffin went to her.... to administer the oath and they then made >> a report thereof and returned that to court to be present at the next court >> with the Will.  THEN, on June 4, 1712  The Last Will and Testament of >> WILLIAM DOWNEMAN, deced., was this proved in Court by the Oath of WILLIAM >> ACKERS and WILLIAM GOAD and ordered to be recorded, and ELIZABETH DOWNEMAN, >> the Executrix therein named having taken the Oath of an Exrx. before Capt. >> JOHN TARPLEY and Mr. THOMAS GRIFFIN according to a former Order of this >> Court, Probate of her Husband's Estate is accordingly granted her.. >> >> So basically she stepped in "the executrix therein named having taken the >> oat before John Tarpley and Thomas Griffin..... according to a former >> order. >> I think there are some important words missing here... this is an >> abstract... so not complete and taken out of context. >> >> Here are my notes on William Downman >> >> Downman, William. 23 May, 1711 - 4 June, 1712. Son Rawleigh, son Robert, >> son >> Travers, son William; daughter Million, daughter Elizabeth; son Glascock; >> daughter Priscilla. >> >> >> Downman, William. 8 June, 1727 - 21 March, 1728. Son Travers; daughter >> Priscilla; grandsons William and Rawleigh, sons of son Rawleigh Downman; >> sons William and Travers, and daughters Million Glasscock and Elizabeth >> Downman and Priscilla Heale. >> >> William Downman, North Farnham Parish, Richmond Co., Will; 23 May 1711, 4 >> Jun 1712 >> son Rawleigh tract of land bought of Edward King called "Mt. Sion" and 250 >> ac. bought of Charles Caleb; son Travers all the land I bought of Arthur >> [Attey] in the forest of Moraticon; son William what moneys son Glascock >> owes me for the millstones and what belongs to them; daus. Million, >> Elizabeth, Priscilla; ex: wife; wits: Abraham Goad, William Ackers, William >> Goad. >> >> So I think Elizabeth was named Executrix to stand in for her mother in >> court >> per a previous order of the Probate of Williams estate... I think the >> wording is just confusing. >> >> A year later William Fox filed a complaint against the estate it appears >> and >> names John Tarpley..... Mrs. Million Downman and George Glasscock who >> happened to be Millions' son-in-law.  I think if you saw the whole will it >> would make much more sense. >> >> > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Ok I think I've figured it out...... Basically, Elizabeth is their daughter. Mom, Million was unable to come to court to administer the oath of her husbands will when they wanted to prove it on May 7th 1712 so John Tarpley and James Griffin went to her.... to administer the oath and they then made a report thereof and returned that to court to be present at the next court with the Will. THEN, on June 4, 1712 The Last Will and Testament of WILLIAM DOWNEMAN, deced., was this proved in Court by the Oath of WILLIAM ACKERS and WILLIAM GOAD and ordered to be recorded, and ELIZABETH DOWNEMAN, the Executrix therein named having taken the Oath of an Exrx. before Capt. JOHN TARPLEY and Mr. THOMAS GRIFFIN according to a former Order of this Court, Probate of her Husband's Estate is accordingly granted her.. So basically she stepped in "the executrix therein named having taken the oat before John Tarpley and Thomas Griffin..... according to a former order. I think there are some important words missing here... this is an abstract... so not complete and taken out of context. Here are my notes on William Downman Downman, William. 23 May, 1711 - 4 June, 1712. Son Rawleigh, son Robert, son Travers, son William; daughter Million, daughter Elizabeth; son Glascock; daughter Priscilla. Downman, William. 8 June, 1727 - 21 March, 1728. Son Travers; daughter Priscilla; grandsons William and Rawleigh, sons of son Rawleigh Downman; sons William and Travers, and daughters Million Glasscock and Elizabeth Downman and Priscilla Heale. William Downman, North Farnham Parish, Richmond Co., Will; 23 May 1711, 4 Jun 1712 son Rawleigh tract of land bought of Edward King called "Mt. Sion" and 250 ac. bought of Charles Caleb; son Travers all the land I bought of Arthur [Attey] in the forest of Moraticon; son William what moneys son Glascock owes me for the millstones and what belongs to them; daus. Million, Elizabeth, Priscilla; ex: wife; wits: Abraham Goad, William Ackers, William Goad. So I think Elizabeth was named Executrix to stand in for her mother in court per a previous order of the Probate of Williams estate... I think the wording is just confusing. A year later William Fox filed a complaint against the estate it appears and names John Tarpley..... Mrs. Million Downman and George Glasscock who happened to be Millions' son-in-law. I think if you saw the whole will it would make much more sense. Janean -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of mike marshall Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 7:48 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] William Downman d 1712 & Wife Elizabeth I had this William Downman d 1712 married 1st to Million Travers. Who is the following William Downman (married to Elizabeth) since Million was still alive in 1713 according to the last record?   === 1712-1713 Richmond Co VA Order Book 6; Antient Press: (Page 16) Richmond County Court 7th of May 1712 - The Last Will and Testament of WILLIAM DOWNEMAN being this day presented to this Court for proofe, Capt. DANIELL McCARTY suggesting to the Court that the Exrx. of WILLIAM DOWNEMAN is uncapable of coming to Court to make Oath thereto, it is therefore ordered that the Will be lodged in the Office and that Capt. JOHN TARPLEY and Mr. JAMES GRIFFIN administer to the Exrx. the Oath of an Exrx. as by Law appointed and make report thereof to the next Court === 1712-1713 Richmond Co VA Order Book 6; Antient Press: (Page 22) Richmond County Court 4th of June 1712 - The Last Will and Testament of WILLIAM DOWNEMAN, deced., was this day proved in Court by the Oath of WILLIAM ACKERS and WILLIAM GOAD and ordered to be recorded, and ELIZABETH DOWNEMAN, the Executrix therein named haveing taken the Oath of an Exrx. before Capt. JOHN TARPLEY and Mr. THOMAS GRIFFIN according to a former Order of this Court, Probate of her Husband's Estate is accordingly granted her - THOMAS GLASCOCK, WILLIAM SMOOT, THOMAS BRYAN and DOMINICK BENEHAM or any three of them are appointed sometime betweene this and the next Court to inventory and appraise all and singular the Estate of WILLIAM DOWNEMAN, deced., as shall be presented to their view and make report thereof to the next Court under their hands in writeing. Mr. THOMAS GRIFFIN or some other Justice of the Peace for this County, is requested to administer an Oath to the Appraisers for their true appraisement of the deced.'s Estate and also to the Exrx. for her true discovery thereof === 1712-1713 Richmond Co VA Order Book 6; Antient Press: (Page 106) Richmond County Court 3d of June 1713 - Ordered that the Sheriff summons to next Court JOHN TARPLEY, MRS. MILLION DOWNMAN, Exrx. of the Last Will and Testament of WILLIAM DOWNMAN, deced., and GEORGE GLASCOCK to answer a Bill in Chancery this day exhibited against them by WILLIAM FOX ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I had this William Downman d 1712 married 1st to Million Travers. Who is the following William Downman (married to Elizabeth) since Million was still alive in 1713 according to the last record?   === 1712-1713 Richmond Co VA Order Book 6; Antient Press: (Page 16) Richmond County Court 7th of May 1712 - The Last Will and Testament of WILLIAM DOWNEMAN being this day presented to this Court for proofe, Capt. DANIELL McCARTY suggesting to the Court that the Exrx. of WILLIAM DOWNEMAN is uncapable of coming to Court to make Oath thereto, it is therefore ordered that the Will be lodged in the Office and that Capt. JOHN TARPLEY and Mr. JAMES GRIFFIN administer to the Exrx. the Oath of an Exrx. as by Law appointed and make report thereof to the next Court === 1712-1713 Richmond Co VA Order Book 6; Antient Press: (Page 22) Richmond County Court 4th of June 1712 - The Last Will and Testament of WILLIAM DOWNEMAN, deced., was this day proved in Court by the Oath of WILLIAM ACKERS and WILLIAM GOAD and ordered to be recorded, and ELIZABETH DOWNEMAN, the Executrix therein named haveing taken the Oath of an Exrx. before Capt. JOHN TARPLEY and Mr. THOMAS GRIFFIN according to a former Order of this Court, Probate of her Husband's Estate is accordingly granted her - THOMAS GLASCOCK, WILLIAM SMOOT, THOMAS BRYAN and DOMINICK BENEHAM or any three of them are appointed sometime betweene this and the next Court to inventory and appraise all and singular the Estate of WILLIAM DOWNEMAN, deced., as shall be presented to their view and make report thereof to the next Court under their hands in writeing. Mr. THOMAS GRIFFIN or some other Justice of the Peace for this County, is requested to administer an Oath to the Appraisers for their true appraisement of the deced.'s Estate and also to the Exrx. for her true discovery thereof === 1712-1713 Richmond Co VA Order Book 6; Antient Press: (Page 106) Richmond County Court 3d of June 1713 - Ordered that the Sheriff summons to next Court JOHN TARPLEY, MRS. MILLION DOWNMAN, Exrx. of the Last Will and Testament of WILLIAM DOWNMAN, deced., and GEORGE GLASCOCK to answer a Bill in Chancery this day exhibited against them by WILLIAM FOX

As we all know, the news is not always good. Here is a link to recent article in the Richmond Times-Dispatch. A sign of the times. http://www2.timesdispatch.com/news/2011/sep/04/on-northern-neck-fighting-the-fade-ar-1284371/ Craig Kilby Lancaster, VA

I have a Henry Martin CLARKSON b 3/18/1796 Fauquier Co., VA d 1/19/1862 Columbia Co., Missouri m 12/19/1815 "Clifton" Fauquier Co., VA--Marion Margaret Morson PAYNE, dau of William PAYNE 1755-1837 and Marion Andrew MORSON. I have nothing else on Henry CLARKSON, but because he was Fauquier to Missouri I thought I would mention him. Marion PAYNE is a MONROE desc. Her ancestors go back to John PAYNE c 1693-1750 m Jane MONROE (Wm. and Margaret Bowcock MONROE)--Westmoreland Descendants of Henry Martin Clarkson 1 Henry Martin Clarkson 1796 - 1862 b: 03/18/1796 d: 01/19/1862 .. +Marion Margaret Morson Payne 1802 - 1842 b: 01/15/1802 in "Clifton", Fauquier Co., Virginia d: 12/05/1842 in Columbia, Missouri ..... 2 Mildred Pickett Clarkson 1821 - b: 1821 ......... +William C. Stribling ..... 2 Henry Martin Clarkson 1823 - 1850 b: 1823 d: 1850 ..... 2 John Scott Clarkson 1829 - 1919 b: 1829 d: 1919 ......... +Marion Bass ..... 2 George Payne Clarkson 1836 - 1851 b: 1836 d: 1851 ..... 2 Arthur Payne Clarkson 1837 - 1910 b: 1837 d: 1910 ......... +Emily Austin Brand ..... 2 Caroline Clarkson 1838 - b: 1838 ......... +James M. Carpenter ..... 2 Marion Morson Clarkson 1819 - b: Bet. 1819 - 1835 ......... +William Samuel Scott 1805 - 1875 b: 1805 d: 1875 ............ 3 John Francis Scott b: in Fredericksburg, Virginia ................ +Lilias Ritchie Hamilton ..... 2 Ann G. Clarkson ..... 2 Margaret Clarkson ..... 2 Elizabeth Clarkson ..... 2 William Clarkson Charlene REEDS-EBELING Genealogical Direct Lines: DAD'S SIDE: REEDS, PORTER, WEAVER(Tilman), RICHARDSON, BOWLING (Group 7), WOOD, ISRAEL, CRAIG, LAIRD, HACKLEY, BALL, CORBIN, ELTONHEAD, TAYLOE, WILLIAMSON, UNDERWOOD, KEENE, WITHERS, MAUZY, CONYERS, WITHERS, KEENE, DUNCAN (Joseph and Lydia-VA), SHIPPEY, MOTT, PIGG, BELL (Stone Church and Roger-Orange Co., Va), BEARD/BAIRD, CARTER (Giles and Theodorick line), WEBB, WADDILL, MICHAUX, CUNNINGHAM---VA --Plus WHITE, HAGERTY, FLATLEY--Green Bay MOMS SIDE: CORNELL/CORNWELL (NY), COONS/KUNTZ, ANSCHICKS, BECKER, STEDMAN, MORSE, REITZ, BUTZ, KNAUSS, DIEHL, PATTERMAN, THULL, MEHAN, ROMIG, CARL, SIEGFRIED In a message dated 9/8/2011 6:11:01 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: I don't think my James' descendants settled in KY -- there were four sons -- two John Washington and Richard die in Essex County, one Benjamin (mine) moves on to Fluvanna, where he dies in 1849, and Joseph who moves first to Fluvanna Co and then after the Civil War to Missouri where he dies in 1872. My James the weaver/soldier is located in the Foot 54 in Satton Island before he "left" -- he had a pass from the Continental Army near Reading.

To whom it may concern: the Library of Virginia web site says: Marriage Records and Vital Statistics FOR MARRIAGE LICENSES, 1709-1716 SEE END OF DEED BOOK 5, 1711-1714 (REEL 2) 53 ILL These miscellaneous marriages are actually recorded at the end of Deed Book, No. 6, 1711 - 1714 . The marriages cover the time period from Feb 1701[N.S.] to JULY 1715. This would be on also be on LVA reel #2, but end of Deed Book #6 and not the end of Deed Book #5. Respectfully Submitted, Craig Kilby

I don't think my James' descendants settled in KY -- there were four sons -- two John Washington and Richard die in Essex County, one Benjamin (mine) moves on to Fluvanna, where he dies in 1849, and Joseph who moves first to Fluvanna Co and then after the Civil War to Missouri where he dies in 1872. My James the weaver/soldier is located in the Foot 54 in Satton Island before he "left" -- he had a pass from the Continental Army near Reading. -----Original Message----- From: mike marshall Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 4:20 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Old DAR Registers (James CLARKSON) hi, in case you do not have them already, the following are pre-Rev will records with James Clarkson's name on the Eastern Shore of Maryland. this may not be your James but maybe a Loyalist that moved out of state to start over. I also have on file a George Washington Clarkson who married Elizabeth Anne Corbin October 10, 1854 in Boone County, Kentucky. No parents for him but sounds like he may be related to your James. === CLARKSON, WILLIAM, Dorchester Co. 1 Apr, 1749; 10 Mar, 1756 Wife: Elizabeth. Children: William (eldest son), James, Thomas, Bazzill, Banaiah (son), Mary, Love, Elizabeth. Father-in-law: Capt. James Brown. Muddy Creek water course. Tracts: "Luck," "The Marsh," "Clarkson's Beginning," "Hazel Nut Thicket," "Brown's Meadow" or "Clarkson's Forest," "Clarkson's Lott," "Clarksons Meadow," "Luck," and "Beginning." Ex: Elizabeth Clarkson. === LANEQUAKE, FRANCIS, Somerset Co. 2 Mar, 1754; 23 Jan, 1759 Wife: Rachel. Children: George (dec'd), Stephen, William; Isabella Benston. Grandchildren: Francis, son of George; William, Thomas and Cannon, children of son Stephen; William, Judah and Magdaline Benston, children of dau. Isabella and William Benston; Obadiah and Francis Disharoon; Judith Clarkson. Sons-in-law: William Benston, John Disharoon, James Clarkson, Francis Lanquake, son of George. Daus. -In-law: Rachel Woodgate, Frances Clarkson, dau. of James. Creeks mentioned: Land on Broad Creek and Gumb Branch in Worcester Co. Let my friends and children choose an executor. Wit: Joshua Humphreys, John Elsey, Jr., John Finch. 15 Feb, 1759: Widow made her election. 30. 637 === CANNON, THOMAS, SR., Dorchester Co. 24 Jan, 1746/47; 15 Jun, 1748 To eld. son THOMAS, 100 A. called "Poplar Hills." To JAMES and CLEAR, the son and dau. of my son JAMES, 60 or 70A. To son JOSEPH, 50 A. of land out of that tract called "Cannon's Thicket"; 50 A. called 'Cannon's Long Square," in Worcester Co. To son ABSOLOM, the remainder pt. of that tract of land called "Cannon's Thicket." To son STEPHEN, 72 A. of "Cannon's Sovana." To son LOWDER, a tract called "Cannon's Venture," and 20 A. out of the resurvey of tract called "Efard." To son LEVI, remaining pt. of "Efard. " To dau. SARAH, 1 slave, at decease of wife. Wife CATHARINE, extx. Wit: Wm Clarkson, Sr., Wm. Clarkson, Jr., James Clarkson, Thomas Clarkson. 25. 369 From: Mary Buchholz <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2011 12:37 AM >Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Old DAR Registers (James CLARKSON) > >My James CLARKSON was a British soldier who deserted -- I think I should >get >in -- he helped the cause. He was a weaver and settled in Essex County. >NOW a relative shared his (very old 1777) leather journals with me. In the >information it says that James' wife Mary ADAMS is a niece of George >WASHINGTON. Does anyone know of ADAMS family being related to Washington? >I have seriously looked for Mary ADAMS; they were married 14 Jun 1778 by >Rev. Jesse CARTER. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Edward White >Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 3:16 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Old DAR Registers (Was Forged Bible) > >Can you get in the DAR if your ancestor was in the King's Own North >Carolina >Rangers? They were in the Revolution after all. > >On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 5:13 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> The funny part of the whole BOWLING thing was that Samuel BOWLING who m >> Abigail CHOIUCE was, in fact, a veteran of the American Revolution >> without >> making up parents for him. >> >> >> >> Charlene REEDS-EBELING >> Genealogical Direct Lines: >> DAD'S SIDE: >> >> REEDS, PORTER, WEAVER(Tilman), RICHARDSON, BOWLING (Group 7), WOOD, >> ISRAEL, CRAIG, LAIRD, HACKLEY, BALL, CORBIN, ELTONHEAD, TAYLOE, >> WILLIAMSON, >> UNDERWOOD, KEENE, WITHERS, MAUZY, CONYERS, WITHERS, KEENE, DUNCAN >> (Joseph >> and >> Lydia-VA), SHIPPEY, MOTT, PIGG, BELL (Stone Church and Roger-Orange Co., >> Va), >> BEARD/BAIRD, CARTER (Giles and Theodorick line), WEBB, WADDILL, MICHAUX, >> CUNNINGHAM---VA --Plus WHITE, HAGERTY, FLATLEY--Green Bay >> MOMS SIDE: >> CORNELL/CORNWELL (NY), COONS/KUNTZ, ANSCHICKS, BECKER, STEDMAN, MORSE, >> REITZ, BUTZ, KNAUSS, DIEHL, PATTERMAN, THULL, MEHAN, ROMIG, CARL, >> SIEGFRIED >> >> >> In a message dated 9/6/2011 4:03:36 P.M. Central Daylight Time, >> [email protected] writes: >> >> Charlene, >> >> Thank you for the whole story. The short version being that one Sarah >> Sullivan Ervin was a fraud, and simply manufactured "evidence" so her >> wealthy >> clients could get into the DAR in the early 1900s. 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hi, in case you do not have them already, the following are pre-Rev will records with James Clarkson's name on the Eastern Shore of Maryland. this may not be your James but maybe a Loyalist that moved out of state to start over.     I also have on file a George Washington Clarkson who married Elizabeth Anne Corbin October 10, 1854 in Boone County, Kentucky.  No parents for him but sounds like he may be related to your James.   === CLARKSON, WILLIAM, Dorchester Co. 1 Apr, 1749; 10 Mar, 1756 Wife: Elizabeth. Children: William (eldest son), James, Thomas, Bazzill, Banaiah (son), Mary, Love, Elizabeth. Father-in-law: Capt. James Brown. Muddy Creek water course. Tracts: "Luck," "The Marsh," "Clarkson's Beginning," "Hazel Nut Thicket," "Brown's Meadow" or "Clarkson's Forest," "Clarkson's Lott," "Clarksons Meadow," "Luck," and "Beginning." Ex: Elizabeth Clarkson. === LANEQUAKE, FRANCIS, Somerset Co. 2 Mar, 1754; 23 Jan, 1759 Wife: Rachel. Children: George (dec'd), Stephen, William; Isabella Benston. Grandchildren: Francis, son of George; William, Thomas and Cannon, children of son Stephen; William, Judah and Magdaline Benston, children of dau. Isabella and William Benston; Obadiah and Francis Disharoon; Judith Clarkson. Sons-in-law: William Benston, John Disharoon, James Clarkson, Francis Lanquake, son of George. Daus. -In-law: Rachel Woodgate, Frances Clarkson, dau. of James. Creeks mentioned: Land on Broad Creek and Gumb Branch in Worcester Co. Let my friends and children choose an executor. Wit: Joshua Humphreys, John Elsey, Jr., John Finch. 15 Feb, 1759: Widow made her election. 30. 637 === CANNON, THOMAS, SR., Dorchester Co. 24 Jan, 1746/47; 15 Jun, 1748 To eld. son THOMAS, 100 A. called "Poplar Hills." To JAMES and CLEAR, the son and dau. of my son JAMES, 60 or 70A. To son JOSEPH, 50 A. of land out of that tract called "Cannon's Thicket"; 50 A. called 'Cannon's Long Square," in Worcester Co. To son ABSOLOM, the remainder pt. of that tract of land called "Cannon's Thicket." To son STEPHEN, 72 A. of "Cannon's Sovana." To son LOWDER, a tract called "Cannon's Venture," and 20 A. out of the resurvey of tract called "Efard." To son LEVI, remaining pt. of "Efard.  " To dau. SARAH, 1 slave, at decease of wife. Wife CATHARINE, extx. Wit: Wm Clarkson, Sr., Wm. Clarkson, Jr., James Clarkson, Thomas Clarkson. 25. 369 From: Mary Buchholz <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2011 12:37 AM >Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Old DAR Registers (James CLARKSON) > >My James CLARKSON was a British soldier who deserted -- I think I should get >in -- he helped the cause.  He was a weaver and settled in Essex County. >NOW a relative shared his (very old 1777) leather journals with me.  In the >information it says that James' wife Mary ADAMS is a niece of George >WASHINGTON.  Does anyone know of ADAMS family being related to Washington? >I have seriously looked for Mary ADAMS;  they were married 14 Jun 1778 by >Rev. Jesse CARTER. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Edward White >Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 3:16 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Old DAR Registers (Was Forged Bible) > >Can you get in the DAR if your ancestor was in the King's Own North Carolina >Rangers?  They were in the Revolution after all. > >On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 5:13 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> The funny part of the whole BOWLING thing was that Samuel BOWLING who m >> Abigail CHOIUCE was, in fact, a veteran of the American Revolution without >> making up parents for him. >> >> >> >> Charlene REEDS-EBELING >> Genealogical Direct  Lines: >> DAD'S SIDE: >> >> REEDS, PORTER, WEAVER(Tilman), RICHARDSON,  BOWLING (Group 7), WOOD, >> ISRAEL, CRAIG, LAIRD, HACKLEY, BALL, CORBIN, ELTONHEAD,  TAYLOE, >> WILLIAMSON, >> UNDERWOOD, KEENE, WITHERS, MAUZY, CONYERS, WITHERS, KEENE,  DUNCAN (Joseph >> and >> Lydia-VA), SHIPPEY, MOTT, PIGG, BELL (Stone Church and  Roger-Orange Co., >> Va), >> BEARD/BAIRD, CARTER (Giles and Theodorick line), WEBB,  WADDILL, MICHAUX, >> CUNNINGHAM---VA --Plus WHITE, HAGERTY, FLATLEY--Green  Bay >> MOMS SIDE: >> CORNELL/CORNWELL (NY), COONS/KUNTZ,  ANSCHICKS, BECKER, STEDMAN, MORSE, >> REITZ, BUTZ, KNAUSS, DIEHL, PATTERMAN, THULL,  MEHAN, ROMIG, CARL, >> SIEGFRIED >> >> >> In a message dated 9/6/2011 4:03:36 P.M. Central Daylight Time, >> [email protected] writes: >> >> Charlene, >> >> Thank you for the whole story.  The short  version being that one Sarah >> Sullivan Ervin was a fraud, and simply  manufactured "evidence" so her >> wealthy >> clients could get into the DAR in the  early 1900s.  She wasn't alone in >> that  game. >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

My James CLARKSON was a British soldier who deserted -- I think I should get in -- he helped the cause. He was a weaver and settled in Essex County. NOW a relative shared his (very old 1777) leather journals with me. In the information it says that James' wife Mary ADAMS is a niece of George WASHINGTON. Does anyone know of ADAMS family being related to Washington? I have seriously looked for Mary ADAMS; they were married 14 Jun 1778 by Rev. Jesse CARTER. -----Original Message----- From: Edward White Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 3:16 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Old DAR Registers (Was Forged Bible) Can you get in the DAR if your ancestor was in the King's Own North Carolina Rangers? They were in the Revolution after all. On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 5:13 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > The funny part of the whole BOWLING thing was that Samuel BOWLING who m > Abigail CHOIUCE was, in fact, a veteran of the American Revolution without > making up parents for him. > > > > Charlene REEDS-EBELING > Genealogical Direct Lines: > DAD'S SIDE: > > REEDS, PORTER, WEAVER(Tilman), RICHARDSON, BOWLING (Group 7), WOOD, > ISRAEL, CRAIG, LAIRD, HACKLEY, BALL, CORBIN, ELTONHEAD, TAYLOE, > WILLIAMSON, > UNDERWOOD, KEENE, WITHERS, MAUZY, CONYERS, WITHERS, KEENE, DUNCAN (Joseph > and > Lydia-VA), SHIPPEY, MOTT, PIGG, BELL (Stone Church and Roger-Orange Co., > Va), > BEARD/BAIRD, CARTER (Giles and Theodorick line), WEBB, WADDILL, MICHAUX, > CUNNINGHAM---VA --Plus WHITE, HAGERTY, FLATLEY--Green Bay > MOMS SIDE: > CORNELL/CORNWELL (NY), COONS/KUNTZ, ANSCHICKS, BECKER, STEDMAN, MORSE, > REITZ, BUTZ, KNAUSS, DIEHL, PATTERMAN, THULL, MEHAN, ROMIG, CARL, > SIEGFRIED > > > In a message dated 9/6/2011 4:03:36 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Charlene, > > Thank you for the whole story. The short version being that one Sarah > Sullivan Ervin was a fraud, and simply manufactured "evidence" so her > wealthy > clients could get into the DAR in the early 1900s. She wasn't alone in > that game. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Can you get in the DAR if your ancestor was in the King's Own North Carolina Rangers? They were in the Revolution after all. On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 5:13 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > The funny part of the whole BOWLING thing was that Samuel BOWLING who m > Abigail CHOIUCE was, in fact, a veteran of the American Revolution without > making up parents for him. > > > > Charlene REEDS-EBELING > Genealogical Direct Lines: > DAD'S SIDE: > > REEDS, PORTER, WEAVER(Tilman), RICHARDSON, BOWLING (Group 7), WOOD, > ISRAEL, CRAIG, LAIRD, HACKLEY, BALL, CORBIN, ELTONHEAD, TAYLOE, > WILLIAMSON, > UNDERWOOD, KEENE, WITHERS, MAUZY, CONYERS, WITHERS, KEENE, DUNCAN (Joseph > and > Lydia-VA), SHIPPEY, MOTT, PIGG, BELL (Stone Church and Roger-Orange Co., > Va), > BEARD/BAIRD, CARTER (Giles and Theodorick line), WEBB, WADDILL, MICHAUX, > CUNNINGHAM---VA --Plus WHITE, HAGERTY, FLATLEY--Green Bay > MOMS SIDE: > CORNELL/CORNWELL (NY), COONS/KUNTZ, ANSCHICKS, BECKER, STEDMAN, MORSE, > REITZ, BUTZ, KNAUSS, DIEHL, PATTERMAN, THULL, MEHAN, ROMIG, CARL, > SIEGFRIED > > > In a message dated 9/6/2011 4:03:36 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Charlene, > > Thank you for the whole story. The short version being that one Sarah > Sullivan Ervin was a fraud, and simply manufactured "evidence" so her > wealthy > clients could get into the DAR in the early 1900s. She wasn't alone in > that game. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

The funny part of the whole BOWLING thing was that Samuel BOWLING who m Abigail CHOIUCE was, in fact, a veteran of the American Revolution without making up parents for him. Charlene REEDS-EBELING Genealogical Direct Lines: DAD'S SIDE: REEDS, PORTER, WEAVER(Tilman), RICHARDSON, BOWLING (Group 7), WOOD, ISRAEL, CRAIG, LAIRD, HACKLEY, BALL, CORBIN, ELTONHEAD, TAYLOE, WILLIAMSON, UNDERWOOD, KEENE, WITHERS, MAUZY, CONYERS, WITHERS, KEENE, DUNCAN (Joseph and Lydia-VA), SHIPPEY, MOTT, PIGG, BELL (Stone Church and Roger-Orange Co., Va), BEARD/BAIRD, CARTER (Giles and Theodorick line), WEBB, WADDILL, MICHAUX, CUNNINGHAM---VA --Plus WHITE, HAGERTY, FLATLEY--Green Bay MOMS SIDE: CORNELL/CORNWELL (NY), COONS/KUNTZ, ANSCHICKS, BECKER, STEDMAN, MORSE, REITZ, BUTZ, KNAUSS, DIEHL, PATTERMAN, THULL, MEHAN, ROMIG, CARL, SIEGFRIED In a message dated 9/6/2011 4:03:36 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Charlene, Thank you for the whole story. The short version being that one Sarah Sullivan Ervin was a fraud, and simply manufactured "evidence" so her wealthy clients could get into the DAR in the early 1900s. She wasn't alone in that game.

Richmond Co., Va. will book p. 199 Thomas GRIFFIN, NFP, will; 7 Sep 17[32], 4 Jun 1733 wife Elizabeth; dau. Winifred (wife of Capt. Samuel PEACHEY); daus. Alice Corbin, Sarah, and Anne; grson. William PEACHEY; ex: wife and son Leroy; wits: John GARZIA, John HOBSON, Thomas BROOM. [Thomas GRIFFIN, the son of Leroy and Winnifred GRIFFIN, was b. 20 Sep 1684. The births of the following chil. of Thomas and Elizabeth GRIFFIN are recorded in the NFPR: Leroy (1711), Elizabeth (1714), Sarah (1716), and Anne (1718). NFPR, p. 73.] Griffin, Thomas (Mr.), 7 Sept., 1732 - 4 June, 1733. Wife Mrs. Eliza Griffin; daughter Winifred Peachey, daughter Alice Corbin Griffin; Capt. Samuel Peachey; grandson William Peachey, daughter Sarah Griffin, daughter Anne Griffin, son Leroy Griffin and wife executors. Charlene REEDS-EBELING Genealogical Direct Lines: DAD'S SIDE: REEDS, PORTER, WEAVER(Tilman), RICHARDSON, BOWLING (Group 7), WOOD, ISRAEL, CRAIG, LAIRD, HACKLEY, BALL, CORBIN, ELTONHEAD, TAYLOE, WILLIAMSON, UNDERWOOD, KEENE, WITHERS, MAUZY, CONYERS, WITHERS, KEENE, DUNCAN (Joseph and Lydia-VA), SHIPPEY, MOTT, PIGG, BELL (Stone Church and Roger-Orange Co., Va), BEARD/BAIRD, CARTER (Giles and Theodorick line), WEBB, WADDILL, MICHAUX, CUNNINGHAM---VA --Plus WHITE, HAGERTY, FLATLEY--Green Bay MOMS SIDE: CORNELL/CORNWELL (NY), COONS/KUNTZ, ANSCHICKS, BECKER, STEDMAN, MORSE, REITZ, BUTZ, KNAUSS, DIEHL, PATTERMAN, THULL, MEHAN, ROMIG, CARL, SIEGFRIED In a message dated 9/6/2011 1:58:10 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Thomas Griffin Peachey, son of Samuel Peachey and Winifred Griffin.

Thanks, Janean. I agree that the Mayflower Society welcomes corrections to its records. Previously, I wrote an article that was published in "Mayflower Descendant" that uncovered five additional children of a fifth generation descendant of Francis Cooke. The five 'forgotten' children were listed as "full-blood" siblings in the will of a twice-widowed childless sibling who was documented. No one had connected the dots. Scott -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Janean Ray Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 1:08 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Tarpley Research Welcome Scott! As a descendant of Travers Tarpley through his daughter Fanny, I am excited to be able to read this article so I am one who is interested in obtaining it either via a copy or subscribing to the MVG. I am also obviously a Mayflower Descendant through John Tarpley and Elizabeth Travers Harwar's mother Frances Allerton. The Mayflower Society is always looking for corrections to their published work and this would be of great interest to them as it opens the door to many more Allerton descendants which at this time there are not as many as other lines of descent from the Mayflower so I look forward to seeing what all has been discovered. Janean

Scott, Thanks for this information. What is humorous if not ironic is that VGS office is directly across the hall from my real estate broker's office (Alfred J. Dickinson, Inc.). I don't get down there often (what? my office in RIchmond?) but when I do I never seem to find VGS open at the same time. I swear it's a conspiracy! In all seriousness, the always delightful Bonnie Trainor is the office manager and administrator who will more than likely be the person answering the phone. Be sure to check the web site for hours of operation at: http://www.vgs.org/ Craig

Jim, do you think the rest would be interested? This will take someone with a better library than i have aces to and some time. It is a Thomas Ball who mar. Sarah Bell-d/o Henry Bell-d. 1695 Lancaster Co.. Their dau. Katherine Ball mar. Abraham Bledsoe, his first wife.This comes from a lawsuit in July 1698 ( after the death of Henry Bell . The action of debt brought by Wm. Ballof Richard Ball executor of Capt. Wm. Ball, deceased and FFranciso FForizal--next for---Wm. Ball to produce his fathers books, the business depending at Catherine Ball & Thomas Ball. so on &so on. In the info i have he is called the forgotten Ball. I have a list of sources one could look but like i said, don`t have the material. Jim -----Original Message----- From: Jim Burgess <[email protected]> To: va-northern-neck <[email protected]> Sent: Wed, Aug 24, 2011 10:32 am Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Edward Ball Family of Fauquier County, Virginia. His ancestors were from Middlesex County, Virginia. Tell us more about this missing Ball -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 5:39 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Edward Ball Family of Fauquier County, Virginia. His ancestors were from Middlesex County, Virginia. I have a missing Ball member if someone is interested. Mind it might just add another son. Thanks Jim -----Original Message----- From: Jim Burgess <[email protected]> To: va-northern-neck <[email protected]>; vafauqui <[email protected]> Sent: Tue, Aug 23, 2011 7:15 pm Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Edward Ball Family of Fauquier County, Virginia. His ancestors were from Middlesex County, Virginia. There were several Edward Ball men. My Edward Ball is DEFINITELY from Fauquier County, Virginia. His grand parents did come from Middlesex County, Virginia it is true. Please look at the N for notes on the link I sent. You will see the documentation that I have on Edward Ball and Lettetia Bailey. The records that I have show that he served in the War of 1812 at Fort Meigs Ohio where he died. He was from Fauquier County, Virginia. Thanks for All you do. I am descended from both Ball families of Lancaster County, Virginia and Middlesex County, Virginia. Jim Ball of the Ball Park web site is the real expert on the Ball family of Middlesex County, Virginia. Here is the non working link for Jim Ball's web site. Jim if you are out there please join this conversation. thanks Jim Burgess www.virginiasurnames.com -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Craig Kilby Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 4:33 PM To: Northern Neck Northern Neck List Subject: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Edward Ball Family of Middlesex County All, For reasons I do not understand, this was bounced back to me as list administrator, but when I click on the link (don't bother, you need the password), it doesn't show me the usual reasons why a message is bounced (non-subscriber, too long, etc) All that being said, Jim: This definitely sounds like the Edward Ball family of Middlesex County. They are not related to the Ball family of Lancaster County. I don't quite figure out what the connection is to any War of 1812 service, but that's why we start topics and threads. We have two large notebooks of extensive research on the Edward Ball family at the Mary Ball Washington Museum & Library. These are mainly in the form of notes and family group sheets, not a compiled genealogy that spells it all for you. You are most welcome to come visit us there (mbwm.org) or send an email to the library from the home page>catalog site and our volunteers will be happy to help you. Please be sure to read the policies for copying, postage, and research within the library. Craig Kilby List Administrator On Aug 23, 2011, at 7:07 PM, [email protected] wrote: > The attached message was received as a bounce, but either the bounce > format was not recognized, or no member addresses could be extracted > from it. This mailing list has been configured to send all > unrecognized bounce messages to the list administrator(s). > > For more information see: > http://lists2.rootsweb.ancestry.com/mailman/admin/va-northern-neck/bounce > > > > From: "Jim Burgess" <[email protected]> > Date: August 23, 2011 7:08:00 PM EDT > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: War of 1812 Edward Ball married Letty Rosser and served in the War of 1812 He died at Fort Meigs, Ohio > > > Dear Craig and Amanda > > I understand that you are building a data base of War of 1812 Veterans > > Here is the link to my Edward Ball Check out the notes > > http://gedcom.surnames.com/burgess_jim/gp206.htm > > Interesting that Mary Johnson who married Timothy Bray is my great great > Aunt.(I think- I know she would be an Aunt) > > Amanda I have been working on their the children of Mary Johnson let's > compare children. > > http://gedcom.surnames.com/burgess_jim/gp220.htm > > Do you see mistakes in this? Can you add more information? > > Thanks > Jim Burgess > www.virginiasurnames.com > > Identifying the Veterans of the War of 1812 is a great project. Have you > checked Virgil A White's book on the War of 1812 ancestors. > > > > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In response to a request from a list member: To order a copy of the Tarpley article with the transcription of the will of Elizabeth Ripping Tarpley and the Memorial and Petition of her grandson, William, to the British Treasury - please see the following response from Barbara Vines Little: "Our website is not currently set up for single issue purchase, however, single issues can be ordered by phone, fax, or mail. A single issue is $5 plus $2.50 shipping. Credit cards are accepted. Email questions to <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected]" Contact Information: Virginia Genealogical Society 1900 Byrd Avenue, Suite 104 | Richmond, Virginia 23230-3033 | 804-285-8954 | fax: 804-285-0394 Scott Tracy

Charlene, Thank you for the whole story. The short version being that one Sarah Sullivan Ervin was a fraud, and simply manufactured "evidence" so her wealthy clients could get into the DAR in the early 1900s. She wasn't alone in that game. Not long ago, the DAR published a new guide, in which they strongly advice ALL libraries and genealogical societies and anyone else for that matter, to deaccession ALL of their lineage books. They came out with one last volume in 2003, but even now they advise to simply use their web site to verify ANYTHING in their database (which changes daily). The 2003 issue was in three volumes, and this is the MBW catalog entry for volume 1: "Volume 1 of 3 of the last-to-be-published hard copy index to DAR-recognized patriots. All previous versions should be discarded. The DAR does not intend to publish any future editions in hard copy. Instead, visit the DAR on-line library at http://www.dar.org/library/. Gift of Suzanne Collins Matson, Secretary, North Carolina Society of the DAR. " ------------- Mrs. Matson donated her copies to the MBW in 2010. I have deaccessioned the older ones though in checking our catalog I may have to take a 2nd look to be sure I purged all of them. This also reminds me to remove the ones at the NNVHS library in Montross, where I will be most of tomorrow. Those have not yet been entered into our catalog. (See next email). The DAR home page is http://www.dar.org/ Craig

Welcome Scott! As a descendant of Travers Tarpley through his daughter Fanny, I am excited to be able to read this article so I am one who is interested in obtaining it either via a copy or subscribing to the MVG. I am also obviously a Mayflower Descendant through John Tarpley and Elizabeth Travers Harwar's mother Frances Allerton. The Mayflower Society is always looking for corrections to their published work and this would be of great interest to them as it opens the door to many more Allerton descendants which at this time there are not as many as other lines of descent from the Mayflower so I look forward to seeing what all has been discovered. Janean -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Scott Tracy Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 12:59 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Tarpley Research Hello, everyone. As the newest NN mailing list member, I would like to introduce myself. I am Scott Tracy and I have been researching the Tarpley family of eighteenth-century Richmond County on-and-off for nearly two years. First, I would like to recognize Craig Kilby who has helped me access copies of certain primary documents in Virginia related to my Tarpley-family research project. As you might imagine, long-distance research is not easy. LDS film and UVA interlibrary loans will get you only so far. Without someone on the ground, this project would have taken much longer. As Craig mentioned in an earlier post, Barbara Vines Little elected to publish several transcriptions of documents that were unearthed in the course of the research project in the current edition of the Magazine of Virginia Genealogy. In all candor, these transcriptions are somewhat peripheral to my primary research objective but I believe Barbara recognized that they might generate interest in the main manuscript to follow for a number of reasons. First, the identity of the father of the two grandchildren of Elizabeth Ripping Tarpley of Williamsburg (second wife of King's Attorney for Richmond County, John Tarpley (1695-1736/37)) proved to be in contradiction to the published position of Kevin P. Kelly in his research paper "The White Loyalists of Williamsburg" currently posted on the Colonial Williamsburg website - http://research.history.org/Historical_Research/Research_Themes/ThemeRevolut ion/Loyalist.cfm. Second, the named father (according to the reading of the lost ! will of Elizabeth Ripping Tarpley originally presented in 1772 that was discovered in a legal suit brought by one of her grandsons in 1789) turned out to be James Tarpley, the highly regarded Williamsburg merchant who donated the church bell to Bruton parish. Finally, discovery of lost wills from colonial times always seems to be of interest. The fact that one grandson was a loyalist while the other took the American side adds another twist. My primary research objective has been to obtain clarity regarding the life of John Tarpley (1720-1786/87), second son of King's Attorney John Tarpley and first wife, widow Elizabeth Travers Harwar. Highly respected genealogists and historians have disagreed for many years on whether this John Tarpley born in 1720 survived past maturity. It is my impression that most scholars seem to have deferred to the position of Newman Arnold Hall and the General Society of Mayflower Descendants, which was that this John Tarpley died young. Others prominent researchers have struggled with this issue including Zelma Wells Price in 1963 and John Frederick Dorman (as recently as 2007 in Vol. IV of Adventurers of Purse and Person, Virginia, which states John Tarpley, b. 1720, was the son of the second wife, Elizabeth Ripping. On the other side of the divide were George H.S. King and Ruth Dillon (author of The Chinn Book), neither of whom provided proof for their assertions (at least public! ly). As Mr. King phrased it, "when a man [John Tarpley (1720-1786/87] marries two ladies of the same Christian name [(1) widow Elizabeth (Travers) Harwar and (2) Elizabeth Ripping] and has a son by each union named after him and himself died intestate - these circumstances are quite sufficient to lead to misconceptions". In 1936, Ethel Armes wrote in Stratford Hall: The Great House of the Lees that using the same baptismal name for children when there were different fathers or mothers was not uncommon in colonial Virginia, and "frequent instances of this occur in the Northern Neck." So, at this point, I would like to simply say that the to-be published article in MVG will provide irrefutable proof that John Tarpley (b. 1720) did NOT die young; instead, he outlived his older full-blood brother Travers, his older half-sisters by his mother and first husband Thomas Harwar, and his younger half-siblings by his father and second wife Elizabeth Ripping - and that he had numerous descendants. Out of respect for Barbara Vines Little and her colleagues at MVG, I don't plan to share specific details of the proof until the article is published. I will add only that there have been a number of discoveries regarding this prominent family that contradict currently-held beliefs. Regarding the list-server question of obtaining copies of the current MVG transcriptions, Ms. Little is checking and will let me know and I will pass on that information. Best regards to all, Scott ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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It may be worth checking out Elizabeth Medstand LEE, dau of Charles LEE (Richard and Ann Constable) and Elizabeth MEDSTAND/MEDSTARD (Thos.) of Cobb's Hall Will of Charles LEE "Northumberland county, Virginia, July Ye 13, 1700. I, Charles Lee, being in perfect health and strength of memory do make this my last will and testament. First, I give and bequeath my soul to my blessed Redeemer Jesus Christ, assuredly trusting, in and by His meritorious death and passion, to receive salvation, and my body to be disposed of as my loving wife shall . . . not doubting, but at last both body and sole will be renovated and glorified. Next, I give to my son Thomas all my land on Rappahannock riverside, had by my wife, as also five hundred acres left me by WALTER JENKINS, to him and his heirs male. One featherbed, and further a child's part of my negroes, cattle and household stuff, and in case of his death without heirs, to be divided among my other children. Next, I give and bequeath to my son Charles the six hundred acres whereon I now am, a featherbed and furniture, a child's part of my negroes and cattle with other household stuff, and in case of his death before age, to be equally divided among the other children. Next, I give and bequeath to daughter Leeanna Lee, that two hundred acres of land had out of brother Hancock's tract, a child's part of my negroes, with cattle and other household stuff; the sheep of her mark, which is two crops, and a slit in one ear, and in case of her death before age, to be divided amongst my other children. Next, I give and bequeath to my daughter Elizabeth, a child's part of my negroes and cattle, with other household stuff. The half of my white servants, and in case of her death before age to be equally divided among my other children. Lastly. I give and bequeath to my loving wife all my bedding not set down, and an equal part of my negroes and cattle, the half of my white hands, with a child's part of my other household stuff. My part of the mill, and all my sheep and hogs. Whom I make executrix of this, my last will and testament. As witness my hand and seal the day and year above written. CHARLES LEE Die. December, 1701. Then Mr. John Tuberville, for Mrs. Elizabeth Lee, executrix of Captain Charles Lee, deceased, motioned the county court of Northumberland, for a probate to be granted of this will, and the court perused the will and were of opinion that, as well ye words of as the subscription to the said will, are his own hand, written by himself, and doe therefore grant to her, the said Elizabeth, probate of ye said will. Test. The Hobson, Clerk of Court. Die. January 21, l718. The original will attested of Captain Charles Lee, was presented to ye court by Richard Lee (ye records where it was recorded, being burnt with the office). On the said Richard Lee's motion, it was again admitted to record. Test. RD. LEE, Clk. of Court." ************************************************************ >From Craig: Continuing with the series from Mary Rita Miller's book, "Place Names of the Northern Neck" (Richmond: Virginia State Library, 1983), I want to touch on Cobb's Hall in Northumberland County, (page 31 of her book). COBB'S HALL. Tract. Northumberland County between branches of Dividing Creek. "It was named in honor of a noted Lee [family] home in Oxfordshire by Major Charles Lee, grandson of Richard Lee, who arrived in in 1651. The present house of brick was built between 1840 and 1853 on the foundation of the second house, which was built in in 1720." **************************************************************************** ********************* Charlene REEDS-EBELING Genealogical Direct Lines: DAD'S SIDE: REEDS, PORTER, WEAVER(Tilman), RICHARDSON, BOWLING (Group 7), WOOD, ISRAEL, CRAIG, LAIRD, HACKLEY, BALL, CORBIN, ELTONHEAD, TAYLOE, WILLIAMSON, UNDERWOOD, KEENE, WITHERS, MAUZY, CONYERS, WITHERS, KEENE, DUNCAN (Joseph and Lydia-VA), SHIPPEY, MOTT, PIGG, BELL (Stone Church and Roger-Orange Co., Va), BEARD/BAIRD, CARTER (Giles and Theodorick line), WEBB, WADDILL, MICHAUX, CUNNINGHAM---VA --Plus WHITE, HAGERTY, FLATLEY--Green Bay MOMS SIDE: CORNELL/CORNWELL (NY), COONS/KUNTZ, ANSCHICKS, BECKER, STEDMAN, MORSE, REITZ, BUTZ, KNAUSS, DIEHL, PATTERMAN, THULL, MEHAN, ROMIG, CARL, SIEGFRIED In a message dated 9/6/2011 12:23:15 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: The Librarian at the DAR Library told me about 10 or 15 years ago that the > wife of Thomas Griffin was a dau. of Richard Lee and Anne Constable, but > that Elizabeth "Betsey" Lee was the wife of Leonard Howson. The two > Elizabeth Lees were a generation apart. I have not found the parents of > Elizabeth (Lee) Griffin. > > Kathleen Much