This seems as good as time as any to renew the posts about Place Names of the Northern Neck, by Mary R (Rita) Miller (Richmond: Virginia State Library, 1983) DISCLOSURE: Just down the road from my home, "Falling Oaks", in Litwalton, is Bunny's Garage, where he used to sell bumper stickers that say: NUTTSVILLE: VIRGINIA "RATED ONE OF THE AMERICA'S BEST SMALL TOWNS" BY U.S.A. TODAY Bunny swears it is really true, and the bumper sticker is proudly displayed on my refrigerator door conversation piece. It then promotes Bunny's Service Center, 2699 Morattico Road, Lancaster, VA. "Bunny" is really Carl Hardy. But everyone knows him as "Bunny." In fact, if you walk in there and call him Carl, you might come under suspicion by the FBI for whom is wife and her sister both work. (This is not a secret) With that modern day backdrop I'll recite here what Rita Miller had to say about the place name of Nuttsville. ____________ Quote: NUTTSVILLE: Settlement and Post Office. Lancaster Co. northwest of Lively. According to Martin*, it was established about 1800, and the post office dated from1818 to 1818. In 1835, Nuttsville consisted of two dwellings , one store, one blacksmith, and one tailor shop. The post office was moved to Litwalton in 1841." The back and forth of the location of the local post office was purely political affair, but it is certain that the Mitchell family in Litwalton also held that privilege at their "Litwalton Enterprise" (now "Falling Oaks) in 1841. It has moved back forth and up and down the road depending on who was holding office in the US Congress. For now, it is in Nuttsville and has been for about 50 years. That being said, if the USPS is going to be downsizing any time soon, this will be one of the offices slated to be closed, along with Mollusk and Morattico. _____________ So, from this we do not learn why it was named Nuttsville in the first place, but Mary Miller also has this to say about that (to paraphrase Richard Nixon): NUTTSVILLE: Tract. Lancaster County at the present settlement of the same name. "Originally the property of JOHN CHINN, it was inherited by Chinn's daughter Elizabeth who married William O. Nutt, for whom it is named. Shortly after their marriage in 1798, he began construction of a large frame house, which burned in 1929. The tract has given its name to the settlement and former post office." _____________ It is also the current post office, and the little area is predominantly African-American and the site of frequent flashing lights from county vehicles. _____________ Conclusion: I do not who William O. Nutt was, and this needs more research. I can say with some certainty that the a study of early postmasters by Christine Adams Jones, whose manuscripts are at the MBW, will something to say about it, as well as other publications held at MBW published by the USPS. And while I'm at it, nobody knows where the name "Litwalton" came from. It was first called that in the will of William Ball Mitchell in 1842, when he carved out 5 acres of what is now "Falling Oaks" in his will calling it "my Litwalton Enterprise." Craig

According to Craig, Joseph Addison Carter Jr. but that’s another story for another time I guess... Right now he's concentrating on getting these Ball lines straight and I'm probably not helping the situation but he has me confused right now with giving me two different emails stating EdwinConway3 married to Anne Ball d/o Joseph and also to Mary Ball d/o James. So I'm waiting to straighten that out so I can continue connecting my dots. It doesn't help Craig in trying to conduct the orchestra if the musicians can't read the music. That’s how this stuff just keeps getting passed around wrong because of one wrong misstep...... And it throws the whole thing off. But there is a Capt. William Nutt father to an Elizabeth Nutt that was the widow of Capt. Alexander Newman. She then m. John Tarpley my 8th great grandfather who was b. abt. 1165/70 and also was married to sisters Elizabeth and Ann Glascock. This NUTT Craig is referring to is not the same but sure is related. Janean -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of DAVID BROWN Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 3:59 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] NUTT Hi Janean,   Who did Elizabeth Nutt marry?   I have Newmans I've been looking at including Robert Newman who was supposedly related somehow to the spouses of William Presley and Nicholas Morris (both ancestors of mine) based on some records from the 1650's (alternate theory is that Robert Newman's wife Elizabeth was related to the spouses of Presley & Morris).   We also have Newman sisters Patience who married John Ford and Mary who married Andrew Morton (died c. 1683).   I'm not sure, but think this Andrew Morton (died c.1683) was son of Andrew Morton who died about 1677.   Also, Andrew Morton (died c.1683) had sister Elizabeth who married first to Clement Lattimore and second to George Bledsoe.   This Elizabeth (Morton) Lattimore Bledsoe mentioned son Richard Lattimore, daughter Elizabeth Nelms, and granddaughters Winifred Nelms and Mary Berry in her will of 1708 (which was witnessed by Alexr. Mulrain, Richd. Smith, and Damol Dunaway.     Thanks. David From: Janean Ray <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 10:52 AM Subject: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] NUTT Would this William O. Nutt be then a ........grandson? to Capt. William Nutt who was the immigrant to James City, and father of Elizabeth Nutt Newman Tarpley?  Not trying to get off the beaten path just asking and I'll leave it at that for now if so. If it is just tell me by which son so I can add the son and connect that DOT. Janean ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

OK so you say Edwin-2 is the husband of Sarah Walker and Fleete and their son Edwin-3 m. Ann Ball So in regards to my prior email..... There must be an Edwin-1. However below you said Edwin-3 and Mary Ball d/o James were the parents of Mary Conway that m. Richard Seldon. So lets take James and Mary James Ball and Mary Conway d/o Edwin-2 and Sarah Walker 1 Mary b. 23 Feb. 1708/09 DIED 2 Francis b. 12 Oct. 1709 married? 3 Sarah b. 13 Jan 1711 married: 4 Eve b. 24 Dec. 1713 married: 5 Jesse b. 27 Jun. 1716 married: Mary Smith 6 James b. 31 Dec. 1718 married Mildred Unknown 7 Mary b. 6 Apr. 1721 married Edwin Conway III - parents of Mary Conway that m. Richard Seldon. 8 Edwin b. 1723 DIED 9 Jeduthan b. 9 Jul 1725 married Elizabeth Fox 10 Sinah b. 14 Feb. 1727 married: Daniel McCarty But you're now saying that Edwin III m. Anne Ball. OH MY Edwin-1 married? Edwin-2 married Sarah Walker/Fleete Had Edwin-3 b.1681 m. (Ann Ball) and Mary Conway b. 1685/6(James Ball) Edwin-3 b. 1681 and Anne Ball b. 1686 m. 1704 and had Ann Conway b. 1710 (Thomas Chinn/Robert Edmonds) Millicent Conway (James Gordon) Edwin Conway m. 21 Oct. 1741 Mary Ball b. 6 Apr. 1721 they had Mary Conway who m. 21 Oct. 1741 to Richard Selden and they had Richard-2 Seldon that m. Elizabeth Chinn 14 Jun 1803 who had Richard Y. Selden. I'm going through your emails and highlighting names... And checking them off as I go against my database. I have come DOWN from Edwin Conway-2 that you are saying was married to the two Sarah's and coming UP from the Seldon's to Edwin Conway 3 and they are not matching. You said in another email the Selden's start with John m. Sarah Ball (Richard, William, William) I have that. THEIR son Richard m. Mary Conway daughter of Edwin Conway III and Mary Ball (James, William, William) I have that..... However you now have Edwin-3 m. to Mary Ball. Then in another email you state Edwin Conway III who m. (1) abt. 1704 Anne Ball..... And they had a daughter Mary Conway but she did not marry James Ball. So you're saying Mary Conway who m. (1) John Dingerfield and (2) James Ball...... You do not know who her parents were? > On 9/19 at 1:47 a.m. you wrote: > It actually starts, as far as I can back so far, with John-1 of > Elizabeth City County. He married Sarah-4 Ball (Richard-3, William-2, > William-1). Bond in Lancaster County dated 14 OCT 1726. > > THEIR SON RICHARD-2 SELDON married Mary Conway, daughter of Edwin > Conway III and Mary BALL (James-3, William-2, William-1) Bond in > Lancaster County dated > 21 OCT 1741 and a marriage contract (which I have not seen and do not > know yet if it was recorded.) > > THEIR SON RICHARD-3 SELDON married Elizabeth CHINN, daughter of John > Chinn and Sarah Yates. They were married in Lancaster County on 14 JUN 1803 > (bond.) This was her 2nd husband. Her first husband was William O. Nutt, > whom, as Elizabeth CHINN, she married in Lancaster on 6 NOV 1796. She > died (as Elizabeth SELDON) in Lancaster in 1848, testate. > Chinn and Sarah Yates. > But on 9/19 at 12:04 you wrote: 2. Edwin Conway III who m (1) abt 1704, Anne Ball, daughter of Joseph-2 Ball, Sr. & Elizabeth (Romney?) They had a daughter Mary Conway as well, but she did not marry James Ball. In fact, I don't know who she married. I'm still working on this line. 3. Francis Conway. According to *Gordon Kinship* he married Rebecca Catlett. This book says Francis was the son of Edwin-2 by his 2nd marriage to Elizabeth (-----) Thompson. I'm not sure that this is correct, as we've discussed here before. So what we have is two emails...... Edwin Conway-3 and Mary Ball d/o James (who was his wife?) and Edwin Conway-3 who m. (1) abt. 1704 Ann Ball d/o Joseph and Elizabeth Romney. Herein lies my confusion. And I'm quoting your two emails. Janean ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes, Janean, there is a wife for Edwin I: She was Martha Eltonhead. On Sep 19, 2011, at 2:19 PM, Janean Ray wrote: > OK so there IS an Edwin-1 so do we have a wife for him? Do we have any > birth or death dates to help distinguish. > > Edwin-1 > Edwin-2 (m. Sarah Walker then Sarah Fleete(?) > Edwin-3 by mother Sarah Walker m. (1) Anne Ball > > So then who did Edwin-4 marry? > > I'm going by three different emails of yours. So I'm trying to answer > issues/questions where I see them in a particular email. > > > Janean > >

OK so there IS an Edwin-1 so do we have a wife for him? Do we have any birth or death dates to help distinquish. Edwin-1 Edwin-2 (m. Sarah Walker then Sarah Fleete(?) Edwin-3 by mother Sarah Walker m. (1) Anne Ball So then who did Edwin-4 marry? I'm going by three different emails of yours. So I'm trying to answer issues/questions where I see them in a particular email. Janean -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Craig Kilby Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 12:04 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Ball and Conway so far Janean: You have got this a bit messed up! Let's try again here. (YES, it is confusing) It was Edwin-2 (not Edwin-1) who married (2) Sarah Fleete(?). His first wife was Sarah WALKER, who was the mother of his three children: 1. Mary Conway, mar (1) John Daingerfield and (2) as his 2nd wife, James Ball of Bewdley, by whom TEN children but only EIGHT who survived infancy (and her). The two who died in infancy were Mary (first of the name) and Edwin. After baby Mary died, another daughter named Mary was born. She is the one who married Richard Selden in 1741. And it was THEIR son, Richard, Jr. who married Elizabeth Chinn, daughter of Joseph-2 Chinn, and widow of William O. Nutt. This is a rare case of someone having a middle initial prior to the Revolutionary War. I don't know who his parents were but I suspect it can be figured out, or somebody else here on this list has already done so. ___________________________ 2. Edwin Conway III who m (1) abt 1704, Anne Ball, daughter of Joseph-2 Ball, Sr. & Elizabeth (Romney?) They had a daughter Mary Conway as well, but she did not marry James Ball. In fact, I don't know who she married. I'm still working on this line. 3. Francis Conway. According to *Gordon Kinship* he married Rebecca Catlett. This book says Francis was the son of Edwin-2 by his 2nd marriage to Elizabeth (-----) Thompson. I'm not sure that this is correct, as we've discussed here before. Craig On Sep 19, 2011, at 11:31 AM, Janean Ray wrote: > Edwin Conway-1 and Sarah Fleete (I believe her last name is up for > conversation) but for now we'll use that had the following: > > Edwin Conway-2 and Ann Ball (d/o Joseph Ball) had issue Ann Conway > (Thomas Chinn) Millicent Conway (James Gordon) Edwin-3 Conway (Mary > Ball) d/o James and Mary Conway (Edwin-1) > > Mary Conway and James Ball with Francis, Sarah, Eve, Jesse, James, > Mary, Edwin, Jeduthan, Sinah > > Is this right so far? I know these kids above are next going to be > part of the dots I'm trying to connect. > > Now..... Mary Ball d/o Mary Conway and James Ball..... m. Edwin-3 as > described above, correct? So they were 1st cousins. > > THIS COUPLE...... then had daughter Mary Conway which m. Richard-2 > Seldon....... s/o John and SArah Ball (d/o Richard Bal > > Richard-2 Seldon and Mary Conway had Richard-3 Seldon who married > Elizabeth Chinn d/o John and Sarah Yates.............. By George I think she's got it. > LOL > > > Sorry to repeat the obvious but if I lay it out like this I can put it > together better. So is this right so far? > > Janean > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Janean.   Patience Newman who married John Ford and Mary Newman who married Andrew Morton had a brother Thomas Newman who (as I understand it) did live in Richmond County, VA (same county as Tarpley & Glasscock).   I believe Patience Newman Ford moved there as well.   I'd say their family could be connected "somehow" to Alexander Newman.   Still don't know if or how Robert Newman connects though.   Thanks again. David From: Janean Ray <[email protected]> To: 'DAVID BROWN' <[email protected]>; [email protected] Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 3:20 PM Subject: RE: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] NUTT According to Craig, Joseph Addison Carter Jr. but that’s another story for another time I guess... Right now he's concentrating on getting these Ball lines straight and I'm probably not helping the situation but he has me confused right now with giving me two different emails stating EdwinConway3 married to Anne Ball d/o Joseph and also to Mary Ball d/o James.  So I'm waiting to straighten that out so I can continue connecting my dots.  It doesn't help Craig in trying to conduct the orchestra if the musicians can't read the music. That’s how this stuff just keeps getting passed around wrong because of one wrong misstep...... And it throws the whole thing off. But there is a Capt. William Nutt father to an Elizabeth Nutt that was the widow of Capt. Alexander Newman.  She then m. John Tarpley my 8th great grandfather who was b. abt. 1165/70 and also was married to sisters Elizabeth and Ann Glascock. This NUTT Craig is referring to is not the same but sure is related. 

Hi Janean,   Who did Elizabeth Nutt marry?   I have Newmans I've been looking at including Robert Newman who was supposedly related somehow to the spouses of William Presley and Nicholas Morris (both ancestors of mine) based on some records from the 1650's (alternate theory is that Robert Newman's wife Elizabeth was related to the spouses of Presley & Morris).   We also have Newman sisters Patience who married John Ford and Mary who married Andrew Morton (died c. 1683).   I'm not sure, but think this Andrew Morton (died c.1683) was son of Andrew Morton who died about 1677.   Also, Andrew Morton (died c.1683) had sister Elizabeth who married first to Clement Lattimore and second to George Bledsoe.   This Elizabeth (Morton) Lattimore Bledsoe mentioned son Richard Lattimore, daughter Elizabeth Nelms, and granddaughters Winifred Nelms and Mary Berry in her will of 1708 (which was witnessed by Alexr. Mulrain, Richd. Smith, and Damol Dunaway.     Thanks. David From: Janean Ray <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 10:52 AM Subject: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] NUTT Would this William O. Nutt be then a ........grandson? to Capt. William Nutt who was the immigrant to James City, and father of Elizabeth Nutt Newman Tarpley?  Not trying to get off the beaten path just asking and I'll leave it at that for now if so. If it is just tell me by which son so I can add the son and connect that DOT. Janean ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Janean: You have got this a bit messed up! Let's try again here. (YES, it is confusing) It was Edwin-2 (not Edwin-1) who married (2) Sarah Fleete(?). His first wife was Sarah WALKER, who was the mother of his three children: 1. Mary Conway, mar (1) John Daingerfield and (2) as his 2nd wife, James Ball of Bewdley, by whom TEN children but only EIGHT who survived infancy (and her). The two who died in infancy were Mary (first of the name) and Edwin. After baby Mary died, another daughter named Mary was born. She is the one who married Richard Selden in 1741. And it was THEIR son, Richard, Jr. who married Elizabeth Chinn, daughter of Joseph-2 Chinn, and widow of William O. Nutt. This is a rare case of someone having a middle initial prior to the Revolutionary War. I don't know who his parents were but I suspect it can be figured out, or somebody else here on this list has already done so. ___________________________ 2. Edwin Conway III who m (1) abt 1704, Anne Ball, daughter of Joseph-2 Ball, Sr. & Elizabeth (Romney?) They had a daughter Mary Conway as well, but she did not marry James Ball. In fact, I don't know who she married. I'm still working on this line. 3. Francis Conway. According to *Gordon Kinship* he married Rebecca Catlett. This book says Francis was the son of Edwin-2 by his 2nd marriage to Elizabeth (-----) Thompson. I'm not sure that this is correct, as we've discussed here before. Craig On Sep 19, 2011, at 11:31 AM, Janean Ray wrote: > Edwin Conway-1 and Sarah Fleete (I believe her last name is up for > conversation) but for now we'll use that had the following: > > Edwin Conway-2 and Ann Ball (d/o Joseph Ball) had issue Ann Conway > (Thomas Chinn) Millicent Conway (James Gordon) Edwin-3 Conway (Mary Ball) > d/o James and Mary Conway (Edwin-1) > > Mary Conway and James Ball with Francis, Sarah, Eve, Jesse, James, Mary, > Edwin, Jeduthan, Sinah > > Is this right so far? I know these kids above are next going to be part of > the dots I'm trying to connect. > > Now..... Mary Ball d/o Mary Conway and James Ball..... m. Edwin-3 as > described above, correct? So they were 1st cousins. > > THIS COUPLE...... then had daughter Mary Conway which m. Richard-2 > Seldon....... s/o John and SArah Ball (d/o Richard Bal > > Richard-2 Seldon and Mary Conway had Richard-3 Seldon who married Elizabeth > Chinn d/o John and Sarah Yates.............. By George I think she's got it. > LOL > > > Sorry to repeat the obvious but if I lay it out like this I can put it > together better. So is this right so far? > > Janean > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

THANKS. I have gone through this and have everyone connected. Janean Ray Legal Defender Office One Cascade Plaza Ste 1940 Akron, Ohio 44308 Ph. (330) 434-3461 Fax (330) 434-3371 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Craig Kilby Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 1:47 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Mary Conway and James Ball Janean, you should know by know what a tangled mess of yarn these NN families are. Yes, it is complicated and confusing. There just were not that many marriage partners for the upper crust in those days. Canonical law be .....well, I'll just say it was widely ignored when it was inconvenient. The Seldons were a brief but much needed puff of fresh blood into this increasingly stagnating gene pool. Let's see if we can simplify it just a bit with regards to your line of interest: On Sep 18, 2011, at 10:54 PM, Janean Ray wrote: > OK gang slow down here a minute and let me catch up. LOL Who was > Richard-1 married to... aka the mother of James, John and Richard Selden (who m. > Elizabeth Chinn..... etc) It actually starts, as far as I can back so far, with John-1 of Elizabeth City County. He married Sarah-4 Ball (Richard-3, William-2, William-1). Bond in Lancaster County dated 14 OCT 1726. THEIR SON RICHARD-2 SELDON married Mary Conway, daughter of Edwin Conway III and Mary BALL (James-3, William-2, William-1) Bond in Lancaster County dated 21 OCT 1741 and a marriage contract (which I have not seen and do not know yet if it was recorded.) THEIR SON RICHARD-3 SELDON married Elizabeth CHINN, daughter of John Chinn and Sarah Yates. They were married in Lancaster County on 14 JUN 1803 (bond.) This was her 2nd husband. Her first husband was William O. Nutt, whom, as Elizabeth CHINN, she married in Lancaster on 6 NOV 1796. She died (as Elizabeth SELDON) in Lancaster in 1848, testate. By her husband Richard-3 Seldon, she had one son, Richard Y. Seldon, a doctor who died before his mother, unmarried and with no children in 1835. >From this point you are well advised to check out the Lancaster Estates Database which is on line from mbwm.org under "Lancasters Estates." from the home page. And believe me, this took me a long while to sort out when we did that database. > > I did not have Elizabeth as a child of John and Sarah Yates. I just > recently acquired a second brother. I had one Selden and that was > John who m. Sarah Ball and had no parents for him so I'm trying to get > these dots connected. I can assure you she is. By her first husband, William O. Nutt, she had a one daughter named Elizabeth Chinn NUTT who became the wife of Joseph Addison Carter, Jr. I'm going to leave it at there for now. Please check out the MBW database for more fun. I will only add one more thing: I am showing NINE children for John Chinn and Sarah Yates. This is John-4 CHINN (Joseph-3, Rawleigh-2, John-1). Wait until you get into the Dowmans with this bunch. Craig Craig ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Would this William O. Nutt be then a ........grandson? to Capt. William Nutt who was the immigrant to James City, and father of Elizabeth Nutt Newman Tarpley? Not trying to get off the beaten path just asking and I'll leave it at that for now if so. If it is just tell me by which son so I can add the son and connect that DOT. Janean

Edwin Conway-1 and Sarah Fleete (I believe her last name is up for conversation) but for now we'll use that had the following: Edwin Conway-2 and Ann Ball (d/o Joseph Ball) had issue Ann Conway (Thomas Chinn) Millicent Conway (James Gordon) Edwin-3 Conway (Mary Ball) d/o James and Mary Conway (Edwin-1) Mary Conway and James Ball with Francis, Sarah, Eve, Jesse, James, Mary, Edwin, Jeduthan, Sinah Is this right so far? I know these kids above are next going to be part of the dots I'm trying to connect. Now..... Mary Ball d/o Mary Conway and James Ball..... m. Edwin-3 as described above, correct? So they were 1st cousins. THIS COUPLE...... then had daughter Mary Conway which m. Richard-2 Seldon....... s/o John and SArah Ball (d/o Richard Bal Richard-2 Seldon and Mary Conway had Richard-3 Seldon who married Elizabeth Chinn d/o John and Sarah Yates.............. By George I think she's got it. LOL Sorry to repeat the obvious but if I lay it out like this I can put it together better. So is this right so far? Janean

Janean: Comments below On Sep 19, 2011, at 10:25 AM, Janean Ray wrote: > Ok I'm trying to do this at work now.... So I'm retracing my steps from last > nights email from home. > > Richard Seldon m. Mary Conway d/o Edwin III and Mary Ball (James) Yes > WHO m. > Mary Conway d/o Edwin I and Sarah Fleete and sister to Edwin II, correct No. Don't understand how Edwin I & II Conway got inserted into this. Craig > > I'm trying to break this down one direct family at a time > > > > > Janean > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Craig Kilby > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 1:47 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Mary Conway and James Ball > > Janean, you should know by know what a tangled mess of yarn these NN > families are. Yes, it is complicated and confusing. There just were not that > many marriage partners for the upper crust in those days. Canonical law be > .....well, I'll just say it was widely ignored when it was inconvenient. > > The Seldons were a brief but much needed puff of fresh blood into this > increasingly stagnating gene pool. Let's see if we can simplify it just a > bit with regards to your line of interest: > > On Sep 18, 2011, at 10:54 PM, Janean Ray wrote: > >> OK gang slow down here a minute and let me catch up. LOL Who was >> Richard-1 married to... aka the mother of James, John and Richard Selden > (who m. >> Elizabeth Chinn..... etc) > > It actually starts, as far as I can back so far, with John-1 of Elizabeth > City County. He married Sarah-4 Ball (Richard-3, William-2, William-1). Bond > in Lancaster County dated 14 OCT 1726. > > THEIR SON RICHARD-2 SELDON married Mary Conway, daughter of Edwin Conway III > and Mary BALL (James-3, William-2, William-1) Bond in Lancaster County dated > 21 OCT 1741 and a marriage contract (which I have not seen and do not know > yet if it was recorded.) > > THEIR SON RICHARD-3 SELDON married Elizabeth CHINN, daughter of John Chinn > and Sarah Yates. They were married in Lancaster County on 14 JUN 1803 > (bond.) This was her 2nd husband. Her first husband was William O. Nutt, > whom, as Elizabeth CHINN, she married in Lancaster on 6 NOV 1796. She died > (as Elizabeth SELDON) in Lancaster in 1848, testate. > > By her husband Richard-3 Seldon, she had one son, Richard Y. Seldon, a > doctor who died before his mother, unmarried and with no children in 1835. >> From this point you are well advised to check out the Lancaster Estates > Database which is on line from mbwm.org under "Lancasters Estates." from the > home page. > > And believe me, this took me a long while to sort out when we did that > database. > >> >> I did not have Elizabeth as a child of John and Sarah Yates. I just >> recently acquired a second brother. I had one Selden and that was >> John who m. Sarah Ball and had no parents for him so I'm trying to get >> these dots connected. > > I can assure you she is. By her first husband, William O. Nutt, she had a > one daughter named Elizabeth Chinn NUTT who became the wife of Joseph > Addison Carter, Jr. > > I'm going to leave it at there for now. Please check out the MBW database > for more fun. > > I will only add one more thing: I am showing NINE children for John Chinn > and Sarah Yates. > > This is John-4 CHINN (Joseph-3, Rawleigh-2, John-1). Wait until you get into > the Dowmans with this bunch. > > Craig > > Craig > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Ok I'm trying to do this at work now.... So I'm retracing my steps from last nights email from home. Richard Seldon m. Mary Conway d/o Edwin III and Mary Ball (James) WHO m. Mary Conway d/o Edwin I and Sarah Fleete and sister to Edwin II, correct? I'm trying to break this down one direct family at a time Janean -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Craig Kilby Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 1:47 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Mary Conway and James Ball Janean, you should know by know what a tangled mess of yarn these NN families are. Yes, it is complicated and confusing. There just were not that many marriage partners for the upper crust in those days. Canonical law be .....well, I'll just say it was widely ignored when it was inconvenient. The Seldons were a brief but much needed puff of fresh blood into this increasingly stagnating gene pool. Let's see if we can simplify it just a bit with regards to your line of interest: On Sep 18, 2011, at 10:54 PM, Janean Ray wrote: > OK gang slow down here a minute and let me catch up. LOL Who was > Richard-1 married to... aka the mother of James, John and Richard Selden (who m. > Elizabeth Chinn..... etc) It actually starts, as far as I can back so far, with John-1 of Elizabeth City County. He married Sarah-4 Ball (Richard-3, William-2, William-1). Bond in Lancaster County dated 14 OCT 1726. THEIR SON RICHARD-2 SELDON married Mary Conway, daughter of Edwin Conway III and Mary BALL (James-3, William-2, William-1) Bond in Lancaster County dated 21 OCT 1741 and a marriage contract (which I have not seen and do not know yet if it was recorded.) THEIR SON RICHARD-3 SELDON married Elizabeth CHINN, daughter of John Chinn and Sarah Yates. They were married in Lancaster County on 14 JUN 1803 (bond.) This was her 2nd husband. Her first husband was William O. Nutt, whom, as Elizabeth CHINN, she married in Lancaster on 6 NOV 1796. She died (as Elizabeth SELDON) in Lancaster in 1848, testate. By her husband Richard-3 Seldon, she had one son, Richard Y. Seldon, a doctor who died before his mother, unmarried and with no children in 1835. >From this point you are well advised to check out the Lancaster Estates Database which is on line from mbwm.org under "Lancasters Estates." from the home page. And believe me, this took me a long while to sort out when we did that database. > > I did not have Elizabeth as a child of John and Sarah Yates. I just > recently acquired a second brother. I had one Selden and that was > John who m. Sarah Ball and had no parents for him so I'm trying to get > these dots connected. I can assure you she is. By her first husband, William O. Nutt, she had a one daughter named Elizabeth Chinn NUTT who became the wife of Joseph Addison Carter, Jr. I'm going to leave it at there for now. Please check out the MBW database for more fun. I will only add one more thing: I am showing NINE children for John Chinn and Sarah Yates. This is John-4 CHINN (Joseph-3, Rawleigh-2, John-1). Wait until you get into the Dowmans with this bunch. Craig Craig ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Janean, you should know by know what a tangled mess of yarn these NN families are. Yes, it is complicated and confusing. There just were not that many marriage partners for the upper crust in those days. Canonical law be .....well, I'll just say it was widely ignored when it was inconvenient. The Seldons were a brief but much needed puff of fresh blood into this increasingly stagnating gene pool. Let's see if we can simplify it just a bit with regards to your line of interest: On Sep 18, 2011, at 10:54 PM, Janean Ray wrote: > OK gang slow down here a minute and let me catch up. LOL Who was Richard-1 > married to... aka the mother of James, John and Richard Selden (who m. > Elizabeth Chinn..... etc) It actually starts, as far as I can back so far, with John-1 of Elizabeth City County. He married Sarah-4 Ball (Richard-3, William-2, William-1). Bond in Lancaster County dated 14 OCT 1726. THEIR SON RICHARD-2 SELDON married Mary Conway, daughter of Edwin Conway III and Mary BALL (James-3, William-2, William-1) Bond in Lancaster County dated 21 OCT 1741 and a marriage contract (which I have not seen and do not know yet if it was recorded.) THEIR SON RICHARD-3 SELDON married Elizabeth CHINN, daughter of John Chinn and Sarah Yates. They were married in Lancaster County on 14 JUN 1803 (bond.) This was her 2nd husband. Her first husband was William O. Nutt, whom, as Elizabeth CHINN, she married in Lancaster on 6 NOV 1796. She died (as Elizabeth SELDON) in Lancaster in 1848, testate. By her husband Richard-3 Seldon, she had one son, Richard Y. Seldon, a doctor who died before his mother, unmarried and with no children in 1835. From this point you are well advised to check out the Lancaster Estates Database which is on line from mbwm.org under "Lancasters Estates." from the home page. And believe me, this took me a long while to sort out when we did that database. > > I did not have Elizabeth as a child of John and Sarah Yates. I just > recently acquired a second brother. I had one Selden and that was John who > m. Sarah Ball and had no parents for him so I'm trying to get these dots > connected. I can assure you she is. By her first husband, William O. Nutt, she had a one daughter named Elizabeth Chinn NUTT who became the wife of Joseph Addison Carter, Jr. I'm going to leave it at there for now. Please check out the MBW database for more fun. I will only add one more thing: I am showing NINE children for John Chinn and Sarah Yates. This is John-4 CHINN (Joseph-3, Rawleigh-2, John-1). Wait until you get into the Dowmans with this bunch. Craig Craig

OK gang slow down here a minute and let me catch up. LOL Who was Richard-1 married to... aka the mother of James, John and Richard Selden (who m. Elizabeth Chinn..... etc) I did not have Elizabeth as a child of John and Sarah Yates. I just recently acquired a second brother. I had one Selden and that was John who m. Sarah Ball and had no parents for him so I'm trying to get these dots connected. Janean -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Craig Kilby Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 1:14 PM To: mike marshall; [email protected] Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Mary Conway and James Ball Mike, this is correct. She was the daughter of Maj. James Ball of Bewdley and his 2nd wife Mary Conway. This brings up two omissions in both Peggy Hill's book and Ida J. Lee's abstract of the will of James Ball. It is true that James Ball's 1754 will names on one Selden grandson: John to whom land in [then] Prince William County, and that is the only Peggy Hill lists for this couple. However, the 1771 will of Richard Selden names three sons: James, John and Richard (who m. Elizabeth CHINN, d/o John Chinn & Sarah Yates.). To sons John and Richard, he leaves 1,000 of land in Fauquier County (formed 1759 from Pr. William) "left to him by his grandfather Major James Ball." by "him" he means his son John Selden. Richard is probably entitled to a share since other language in this will refers to a marriage contract between himself and Col James Ball "in behalf of our children. and this implies that James Selden was a son by previous marriage. This contract is also referred to in the will of of Sarah Ball you cite below. I am assuming the 1742 will of Sarah Ball is for Sarah (Young) Ball, widow of Richard-3 Ball. Craig On Sep 18, 2011, at 8:27 AM, mike marshall wrote: > ok I think I figured it out.... Richard Sheldon married Mary Ball > > === > Abstracts of Lancaster County, Virginia Wills [Ida J. Lee] > BALL, Sarah. Will. 6 Aug. 1742. Rec. 10 Sept. 1742. > Legatees: Daus. Easter Glascock, Margaret Ball, John Selden, Gr. son Wm. Montague, Gr. dau. Frances Lawry. Extr. Wm. Glasscock. Mention is made of a marriage betw. her gr. son Richard Selden and the dau. of James Ball. Wits. Margaret Williamson, Eliz. McTire and Wm. Ball. W.B. 13, p. 301. > === > Abstracts of Lancaster County, Virginia Wills [Ida J. Lee] > SELDEN, Richard. 27 Jan. 1769. Rec. 17 Jan. 1771. > Wife: Mary Selden. Son: James. "If he should die before his present wife, then executors to sell so much of estate of sd son James as will comply with a contract of marriage between Col. James Ball and myself in behalf of our children." Sons: John & Richard, 1000 acres of land in Fauquier Co. left him by his grandfather, Maj. James Ball. Exors: Wife and 3 sons, James, John & Richard. Wits: Thos. Brent, Mils Ball, John Taylor. W.B. 20, p. 8. > > From: mike marshall <[email protected]> >> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 7:36 AM >> Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Mary Conway and James Ball >> >> >> >> >> James Ball's 1754 will and Richard Ball's 1727 will both show a daughter Selden. >> >> Richard's daughter Sarah married John Selden and one of James Ball's daughters married an unknown Selden >> >> Which daughter was James referring to as "Selden"? >> >> >> James Ball's 1754 <snip>: >> >> Item I give to my Daughter Sinah and my four grand Sons viz. Jesse Ball son of my Daughter Frances, James Ewell and James Ewell son of Eve Ewell and John Selden and their heirs five thousand acres of land in Prince Wm County to be laid off at the upper end of my mountain tract to them and their heirs equally amongst them. >> Item I give to my daughter Selden and her heirs ye land I bought of Benjamin Taylor. >> Item I give to my five Daughters all my household goods except my plate. The best bed and furniture which I give to my Son James. >> >> Richard Ball's 1727 <snip>: >> >> Item I give to my daughter Sarah Selden my plantation where on I now live and my water mill & all the land that lays be low that road from colo. Willm Balls mill to Cundiffs to her and the heirs forever lawfully begotten and for want of such heirs then to my daughter Margaret Ball & the second heirs male of her and my Son in law Wm Ball Jun'rs body lawfully begotten forever and for want of such then to the heirs male of their two bodies lawfully begotten & to the second son of that heir male & his heirs male forever Lawfully begotten >> From: Janean Ray <[email protected]> >>> To: [email protected] >>> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 3:31 PM >>> Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Mary Conway and James Ball >>> >>> I show 9 of the 10 including the two who died. So I'm missing one. >>> >>> Francis b. 12 Oct. 1709 >>> Sarah b. 13 Jan 1711 >>> Eve b. 24 Dec. > 1713 >>> Jesse b. 27 Jun 1716 d. 11 Aug. 1747 m. Mary Smith d/o J. Phillip Smith and >>> who also m. Col. John Lee and John Smith. Here lyeth interred the body of >>> Jesse Ball Gent. He was born 27th day of June 1716 and departed this life >>> the 11th day of Aug. 1747, in the 32nd year of his age >>> James b. 31 Dec. 1718 d. 24 Nov. 1789 m. Mildred UNK Here lieth the body >>> of Mildred Ball Wife of James Ball Jun'r, Gent. who departed this life the >>> 1st day of Dec'r 1751 in the 26th year of her age leaving one son and three >>> daughter, having faithfully discharged the several duties incumbent on a >>> wife and parent, a neighbour & a christian. >>> >>> In memory of (drawing of a willow tree in between two vertical tombstones) >>> >>> Col. James Ball 2nd son of James & Mary BAll, his 2nd wife daughter of Edwin >>> Conway. Born Dec. 31st, 1718. Died Nov'r 24th, 1789. >>> >>> Mary b. 6 Apr 1721 >>> Edwin b. > 1723 >>> Jeduthan b. 9 Jul 1725 d. 5 Mar. 1749 m. Elizabeth Fox UNK parents. Here >>> lies the Body of Mr. Jeduthan Ball son of Col. James Ball of Lancaster Co. >>> Born the 9th day of July, 1725, and died the 5th day of March, 1749, in the >>> 25th year of his age. >>> >>> Jeduthan Ball was the fourth son of Col. James Ball and Mary Conway, and was >>> brother to James and Jesse Ball, whose tombs are near his own. He marreid >>> Elizabeth Fox, and was father of Col. Burgess Ball, of the Revolution. >>> >>> Sinah b. 14 Feb 1727 >>> >>> Which child am I missing? I probably have them lingering out there in my >>> database awaiting a connection to a family. >>> >>> >>> >>> Janean >>> >>> >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Well-off people in the 16th-18th centuries often left mourning rings to good friends and family members. (Actually, the practice goes back at least to Roman times, but it took off in Europe later.) It's quite common to see bequests of "a ring of 20 shillings price" or other denomination-- the executor was supposed to buy a ring of the specified value and give it to the recipient in memory of the dead person. It wouldn't be usual for a person to have a dozen rings to give away, but quite normal to have a few in the estate and to buy more. By the late 17th century, there was a growing fashion for crystal rings with a lock of the decedent's hair inside (also for mourning brooches with hair). Earlier rings were commonly simple gold bands with a motto of remembrance engraved on them. Sometimes jeweler made more elaborately decorated bands, even with small portraits of the dead person or a decorative medallion. A few rings were set with stones, but that was not as common. As time went on, rings got cheaper and the lower classes started to follow the practice too. Kathleen Much On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 Diane wrote: > > Not to sound to stupid, but what's with the rings? Are they rings that go > on > your fingers? Is there any other kinds? Sounds to me she had a lot of them > for this time period. Am I wrong? Can anyone explain the rings? I'm just > trying to figure out the purposes of these rings. Thanks,Diane > >

I appears the following record was also recorded in New England (records courtesy of Buddy Jackson). Martha was probably the mother of Sarah Winfield, wife of Richard Taliaferro   === 1708-1711 Richmond Co VA Deed Book 5; Antient Press: (Page 312) KNOW ALL MEN by these presents that wee RICHARD TALIAFERRO, JOHN: SOMMERVILE and THOMAS WHITE of Richmd. County are held and firmly bound unto the worshipfull Justices of the County of Richmond in the sum of Five hundred pounds current money of Virginia payable to said Justices to which payment we bind our selves our heirs by these presents as Witness our hands & seals this seventh day of March Anno Dom. 1710 The Condition of this obligation is such that if RICHARD TALIAFERO shall pay unto RICHARD, MARTHA and CATHERINE TALIAFERO, Legatees of MARTHA (this name is blurred by ink - (W)INDFEILD) late in New England deced or to whom it shall of right belong all such estate belonging to said Legatees as the said Legatees shall attaine to lawfull ages or when required by the said Court, and also save and keep harmless the said Justices their heirs from all trouble that may arise about the estate, then this obligation to be void, otherwise to remaine and be in full force and vertue Signed sealed and delivered in the presence of R. BEVERLEY, RICHD. TALIAFERO THOS: DICKENSON JNO. SOMMERVELL THOMAS WHITE Acknowledged in Richmond County Court ye seventh day of March one thousand seven hundred and tens by the above named RICHARD TALIAFERO, JOHN SOMMERVELL and THOMAS WHITE and ordered to be recorded From: Buddy Jackson <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 5:56 PM >Subject: ID 122425 Richard Taliaferro > > > Following is a rough summary of  Probate Records in Vol. 17 of Suffolk Co., MA.  Probably nothing new but interesting having Taliaferro's of VA in Suffolk Co., MA records.   My Jackson ancestors came into Boston and while working on them I saw data on Richard Taliaferro of VA.  I descend on Taliaferro line via-- Robert, Robert, Robert,Sarah to Lewis etc . > >Record for the estate of Martha Windfield is in Vol 17 Probate Records of Suffolk Co., MA. Gives activity of Richard Taliaferro in the records. > > >Suffolk Co., MA probate records-- viewed on LDC-- Fam. Hist. -- Probate records v. 17-18 1709-1715-- FHL US/CAN Film[ 584133] > > >Starts with testmonal[letter] from A. Spotwood-Lt. Gov. VA concerning Martha Winfield and Richard Taliaferro. Certifies some individuals relating to Mrs Sarah Taliaferro and states Richard Taliaferro is Guardian to Martha, Richard and Catherine. dated 7 July 1711. >Court --Richmond Co. on March 7, 1710-- statement by William Andrew and Henry Long that they had seen Mrs Sarah Taliaferro wife of Richard Taliafero of Richmond Co. and she was in good health. > > >Richmond Co., Court March 7- Motion by Martha Taliafero daughter of Richard Taliaferro--said Richard admitted her Guardian-- and on motion of Richard on behalf of his son Richard Taliafero aged about Ten years he is admitted Guardian-- and his daughter Katherine Taliaferro aged about four years he is admitted Guardian.--- > > >Bond statement [500 pounds] by Richard Taliaferro, John Sommorvel and Thomas White > > >Followed by condition of obligation--- above bound Richard Taliafero shall well and truly pay unto Richard, Martha and Katherine Taliaforo Legatees of Martha Windfield late in New England - All such Estate or Estate belonging to the said Legatees-- at lawful age etc---- > > >then there is an account of Addington Davenport-- administrator of Martha Windfield formerly of Virginia but late of Boston -- Widow deced.-- that is what has come into his hands after death of William Crowon [ first administrator]--- then a list of items-- > > >Oct 6, 1711--? statement by Richard that he has received all of estate of Martha Windfield.-- in this statement the following --- " on the behalf of Martha, Richard and Catherine als Mary Taliafforro als Tolliver my children" --- -- [ so appears Catherine is also known as Mary??] > >  > > > >

Hi Jim, I'm not a Downing descendant (as far as I know), but there seem to be some collateral connections with my NN families.   I believe one Samuel Downing married Elizabeth Saunders/Sanders, half-sister to my ancestor Hannah Cockerill (born c.1700?) who married Alexander Morehead (maternal grandparents of Christopher Dameron who married Sarah Ingram, granddaughter of Thomas Berry, Jr.). Additionally, Thomas Berry, Jr. had a wife named Patience (and named a daughter Patience who married John Ingram).   Thomas Berry, Jr. lived near the Hudnalls.   Transcription of his will by Carol Vass is posted below. Thanks. David From: Carol Vass <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BERRY] Berrys of Northumberland County, VA Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 00:51:34 -0700   NORTHUMBERLAND COUNTY, VA - WILLS - Thomas Berry Will written 22 February 1742/43 Codicil 12 March 1742/43, Will proven 11 April 1743.   Son Thomas Berry plantation whereon he now lives during his natural life and his wife's widowhood containing one hundred and fifty acres by estimation bounded as followeth: to the line formerly Partin Hundall's  strait to the schoolhouse branch, thence to the main road and along to the  said road to Suttons corner dogwood tree, thence to "Scotland" line. They make no  waste and if the make waste of the land and timber more than their proper use, land to go to my son John Berry.   Son John Berry neck of land called "Scotland Neck" and a tract of land formerly Partin Hudnall's bounding along Lattimore's line to the  main branch and up the schoolhouse branch to his brother's line, both the said  tracts containing by estimation on hundred and fifty acres and that  parcel of land whereon my son Thomas Berry lives after his death and his wife's widowhood.   Son William Berry plantation whereon I now live and the remainder of my land adjoining by estimation two hundred acres. If my son William should die before he comes of age or have lawful issue, his land to my son George Berry.   Son Thomas Berry negro man Dick for his support during his  natural life, all that cattle in his possession and all my wearing clothes.   Son John Berry negro woman Hazar, negro man James, one feather bed and furniture.   Daughter Alice Lattimore negro girl Nan and twenty pounds cash  towards buying another, one feather bed and furniture.   Daughter Patience Ingram negro woman Moll and negro girl Nell, one feather bed and furniture.   Daughter Sarah Berry negro woman Lucy and negro girl Winnie, one feather bed and furniture.   Daughter Elizabeth Forrester negro girl Priscilla, one feather bed and furniture, one cow with calf, one pied steer, four sheep, one  mulberry table, three white chairs, one black chair, three plates, two dishes, two basons, one tankard, six spoons, one chest, one pot and fry pan.   Granddaughter Barbery Lattimore negro girl Suckey.   Sons William and George Berry all the rest of my slaves, to be  equally divided between them when my son George comes of age of twenty years. If either of my sons William or George should die before they come of age, the survivor to have the other part of the slaves and their increase.   Twenty pounds cash to be raised out of my personal estate by my executors before division, to buy my son George Berry land. If my son George Berry should die before he comes of age the money or land to go to my son William.   All my personal estate to be equally divided between my two sons William and George Berry and my daughter Sarah Berry when my son William comes to the age of nineteen.   Daughter Sarah Berry shall have her dwelling on my plantation and liberty to work her hands during her maiden life.   Son George to be kept at his learning and a trade of bricklaying or storekeeping which my executors shall think proper and to be brought up by Travers Colston, gent.   Travers Colston, George Ball JR., David Lattimore and John Berry executors.   CODICIL: dated 12 March 1742/43   If my son Thomas Berry is not satisfied with what I gave him and he should bring suit or action to cause trouble, what I have given him in land and personal estate to go to my son John Berry and that Thomas  receive a mill shilling for his part.   Witness: John Gouch and John Bowen.   ________________________________ From: Jim Burgess <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 10:09 AM Subject: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] The Downing Family of Northumberland County by Mrs O A Keach Witchita, Kansas Dear Northern Neck Genealogist, Any thoughts on this article?  Anyone a Downing descendant?

Speaking of the Seldens today, there was a fascinating article in the last issue of the Northern Neck of Virginia Historical Magazine by Robert V. Montague III titled Peter Montague Memorial Gravesite?" While a large memorial stone to Peter Montague was erected on this site near Lancaster County Court House in the early part of the last century, there is probably not a single Montague buried there. Peter Montague certainly is not buried there. He lived and died in Middlesex County! So how did this all get started? A fragment of an old stone was found. It is the stone of Hannah Ball Montague, widow of William Montague. Her father Richard-3 Ball had left this land his daughter Sarah SELDEN after his wife's decease. And it stayed in the Selden family after this for quite some time. William Montague died in Essex County and nobody knows where is buried, but probably not here. The Montagues at the early part of the last century were a prominent political family on the rise. One of them was a judge in Lancaster County, and it was he who came up with the notion to honor his ancestor on this site. You may often read in many genealogies that the mother of Mary Ball Washington was Mary Montague, daughter of emigrant Peter Montaugue. This would indeed be a miracle, as that daughter died some 16 years before Joseph Ball took his 2nd wife, the widow Mary Johnson! Craig

Mike, this is correct. She was the daughter of Maj. James Ball of Bewdley and his 2nd wife Mary Conway. This brings up two omissions in both Peggy Hill's book and Ida J. Lee's abstract of the will of James Ball. It is true that James Ball's 1754 will names on one Selden grandson: John to whom land in [then] Prince William County, and that is the only Peggy Hill lists for this couple. However, the 1771 will of Richard Selden names three sons: James, John and Richard (who m. Elizabeth CHINN, d/o John Chinn & Sarah Yates.). To sons John and Richard, he leaves 1,000 of land in Fauquier County (formed 1759 from Pr. William) "left to him by his grandfather Major James Ball." by "him" he means his son John Selden. Richard is probably entitled to a share since other language in this will refers to a marriage contract between himself and Col James Ball "in behalf of our children. and this implies that James Selden was a son by previous marriage. This contract is also referred to in the will of of Sarah Ball you cite below. I am assuming the 1742 will of Sarah Ball is for Sarah (Young) Ball, widow of Richard-3 Ball. Craig On Sep 18, 2011, at 8:27 AM, mike marshall wrote: > ok I think I figured it out.... Richard Sheldon married Mary Ball > > === > Abstracts of Lancaster County, Virginia Wills [Ida J. Lee] > BALL, Sarah. Will. 6 Aug. 1742. Rec. 10 Sept. 1742. > Legatees: Daus. Easter Glascock, Margaret Ball, John Selden, Gr. son Wm. Montague, Gr. dau. Frances Lawry. Extr. Wm. Glasscock. Mention is made of a marriage betw. her gr. son Richard Selden and the dau. of James Ball. Wits. Margaret Williamson, Eliz. McTire and Wm. Ball. W.B. 13, p. 301. > === > Abstracts of Lancaster County, Virginia Wills [Ida J. Lee] > SELDEN, Richard. 27 Jan. 1769. Rec. 17 Jan. 1771. > Wife: Mary Selden. Son: James. "If he should die before his present wife, then executors to sell so much of estate of sd son James as will comply with a contract of marriage between Col. James Ball and myself in behalf of our children." Sons: John & Richard, 1000 acres of land in Fauquier Co. left him by his grandfather, Maj. James Ball. Exors: Wife and 3 sons, James, John & Richard. Wits: Thos. Brent, Mils Ball, John Taylor. W.B. 20, p. 8. > > From: mike marshall <[email protected]> >> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 7:36 AM >> Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Mary Conway and James Ball >> >> >> >> >> James Ball's 1754 will and Richard Ball's 1727 will both show a daughter Selden. >> >> Richard's daughter Sarah married John Selden and one of James Ball's daughters married an unknown Selden >> >> Which daughter was James referring to as "Selden"? >> >> >> James Ball's 1754 <snip>: >> >> Item I give to my Daughter Sinah and my four grand Sons viz. Jesse Ball son of my Daughter Frances, James Ewell and James Ewell son of Eve Ewell and John Selden and their heirs five thousand acres of land in Prince Wm County to be laid off at the upper end of my mountain tract to them and their heirs equally amongst them. >> Item I give to my daughter Selden and her heirs ye land I bought of Benjamin Taylor. >> Item I give to my five Daughters all my household goods except my plate. The best bed and furniture which I give to my Son James. >> >> Richard Ball's 1727 <snip>: >> >> Item I give to my daughter Sarah Selden my plantation where on I now live and my water mill & all the land that lays be low that road from colo. Willm Balls mill to Cundiffs to her and the heirs forever lawfully begotten and for want of such heirs then to my daughter Margaret Ball & the second heirs male of her and my Son in law Wm Ball Jun'rs body lawfully begotten forever and for want of such then to the heirs male of their two bodies lawfully begotten & to the second son of that heir male & his heirs male forever Lawfully begotten >> From: Janean Ray <[email protected]> >>> To: [email protected] >>> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 3:31 PM >>> Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Mary Conway and James Ball >>> >>> I show 9 of the 10 including the two who died. So I'm missing one. >>> >>> Francis b. 12 Oct. 1709 >>> Sarah b. 13 Jan 1711 >>> Eve b. 24 Dec. > 1713 >>> Jesse b. 27 Jun 1716 d. 11 Aug. 1747 m. Mary Smith d/o J. Phillip Smith and >>> who also m. Col. John Lee and John Smith. Here lyeth interred the body of >>> Jesse Ball Gent. He was born 27th day of June 1716 and departed this life >>> the 11th day of Aug. 1747, in the 32nd year of his age >>> James b. 31 Dec. 1718 d. 24 Nov. 1789 m. Mildred UNK Here lieth the body >>> of Mildred Ball Wife of James Ball Jun'r, Gent. who departed this life the >>> 1st day of Dec'r 1751 in the 26th year of her age leaving one son and three >>> daughter, having faithfully discharged the several duties incumbent on a >>> wife and parent, a neighbour & a christian. >>> >>> In memory of (drawing of a willow tree in between two vertical tombstones) >>> >>> Col. James Ball 2nd son of James & Mary BAll, his 2nd wife daughter of Edwin >>> Conway. Born Dec. 31st, 1718. Died Nov'r 24th, 1789. >>> >>> Mary b. 6 Apr 1721 >>> Edwin b. > 1723 >>> Jeduthan b. 9 Jul 1725 d. 5 Mar. 1749 m. Elizabeth Fox UNK parents. Here >>> lies the Body of Mr. Jeduthan Ball son of Col. James Ball of Lancaster Co. >>> Born the 9th day of July, 1725, and died the 5th day of March, 1749, in the >>> 25th year of his age. >>> >>> Jeduthan Ball was the fourth son of Col. James Ball and Mary Conway, and was >>> brother to James and Jesse Ball, whose tombs are near his own. He marreid >>> Elizabeth Fox, and was father of Col. Burgess Ball, of the Revolution. >>> >>> Sinah b. 14 Feb 1727 >>> >>> Which child am I missing? I probably have them lingering out there in my >>> database awaiting a connection to a family. >>> >>> >>> >>> Janean >>> >>> >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >