Craig,   Glad this was helpful and hope it yields more good news for you.   It will be interesting to review the original record and see if the surname really was Marr.   Fwiw,  the Clerk of Court in the Craven County (from the record) was Christopher Neale, who I am sure is related to the Northern Neck Neale family.   Also, my Carruthers family that stems from William Carruthers who died in Westmoreland Co., VA c.1705 ended up (eventually) in Craven Co., NC as well.   Thanks.   David From: Craig Kilby <[email protected]> To: DAVID BROWN <[email protected]>; [email protected] Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 2:12 PM Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] BERRY FAMILY David: This just goes to show that you never know where records are going to be found. John Berry & wife Jemima in Craven County, NC in 1765.  Who'd a thunk it?  While John Berry is rather common, having a wife Jemima is beyond coincidence. Thank you for finding this. It is the first real break-through anyone has made on this family that ends up in Culpeper County VA. Craig On Sep 22, 2011, at 12:04 AM, DAVID BROWN wrote: > Hi Craig, > > Fwiw, Thomas Berry, who died in Northumberland Co., VA in 1742/1743 (Will written 22 February 1742/43, Codicil 12 March 1742/43, and Will proven 11 April 1743), did have a son named John in addition to children George, William, Alice Lattimore, Patience Ingram, Elizabeth Forrester, Sarah, and Thomas Berry, Jr.  My line is through daughter Patience Ingram and I don't have anything on son John.  > > I don't know if you've seen the following posting or not (which may be helpful with Jemima): > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/vaamhers/2000-09/0968720969 > > > Thanks. > > David > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

David: This just goes to show that you never know where records are going to be found. John Berry & wife Jemima in Craven County, NC in 1765. Who'd a thunk it? While John Berry is rather common, having a wife Jemima is beyond coincidence. Thank you for finding this. It is the first real break-through anyone has made on this family that ends up in Culpeper County VA. Craig On Sep 22, 2011, at 12:04 AM, DAVID BROWN wrote: > Hi Craig, > > Fwiw, Thomas Berry, who died in Northumberland Co., VA in 1742/1743 (Will written 22 February 1742/43, Codicil 12 March 1742/43, and Will proven 11 April 1743), did have a son named John in addition to children George, William, Alice Lattimore, Patience Ingram, Elizabeth Forrester, Sarah, and Thomas Berry, Jr. My line is through daughter Patience Ingram and I don't have anything on son John. > > I don't know if you've seen the following posting or not (which may be helpful with Jemima): > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/vaamhers/2000-09/0968720969 > > > Thanks. > > David > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

AMEN to that suggestion! Henry Swain On 09/22/11, Jim Burgess<[email protected]> wrote: Craig, You are doing a great job! I really enjoy the list. My biggest wish would be that we could have a site where we could list information on a family that is complete and accurate. If we could post a family information (family group sheet or similar) with the information and documentation with the family. That would be wonderful. If we could post the original documents with the family information that would be a real plus. This would keep down the duplication of posting and have given members of the list one place to check out All of the families in the Northern Neck. I know that is a lot of work, but in the long run it would make everyone's efforts much more valuable. Hope that makes sense. Thanks Jim Burgess [1]www.virginiasurnames.com PS - Do we have any one who is working on the Downing family? I sent a posting in a week or so ago. Only one or two responses. -----Original Message----- From: va-n[2][email protected] [[3]mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Craig Kilby Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 8:47 AM To: [4][email protected] Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Our Group on Facebook Jim, I thought it WAS a group. I did create it from own page using "create group", however. If I've done this wrong, please tell me how to correct it. Craig On Sep 20, 2011, at 1:35 PM, Jim Burgess wrote: > You may want to make a Northern Neck Group rather than a personal page. > Just a suggestion. > Jim Burgess > > > [5]http://www.facebook.com/groups/278272062202180/ > > Let me know your thoughts on it. If the reaction is favorable, I will keep > it going. If the reaction is negative, I'll take it down. I only ask that we > give it a month to see what happens with it before we pass final judgment. > Underline the word FINAL. > > Craig > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VA-N[6][email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-N[7][email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-N[8][email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-N[9][email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message References 1. http://www.virginiasurnames.com/ 2. mailto:[email protected] 3. mailto:[email protected] 4. mailto:[email protected] 5. http://www.facebook.com/groups/278272062202180/ 6. mailto:[email protected] 7. mailto:[email protected] 8. mailto:[email protected] 9. mailto:[email protected]

I have a question for the group: Dorcas Spence, widow of Patrick Spence, married John Jordan. Dorcas' daugther, by Patrick Spence, married Andrew Monroe II & the "Spence" name descends down through President James Monroe family. I have been attempting to find out something about this John Jordan - Where he came from, etc.??? He was said to be a man of some wealth. I have Wills for both John (1694) & later Dorcas Spence Jordan(1708). In the Wills there is a connection to, Spence children, Monroe, Sturman, Weedon, Steel, John Washington, Higgins, Lawrence Pope and a later court case involving Waddy, Sturman & Jordan estate. Also, referenced in the John Jordan Will = ....."Unto my son John Spence £25 sterling which I have in England in *Mr. William Briscoe’s* executors’ or administrators’ hands or in Mr. John Scott’s hand"..... There was a Jordan family in the Jamestown area and a William Briscoe showing up in records there. But I have also been tracking a Jordan family in New England that I'm wondering if connects to the NN (maybe Jamestown area, as well). The New England Jordan family were married into an early (1635) Nathaniel Duncan family in the Boston, Mass. area. Nathaniel had a son, Peter (who married a Mary "Eppes" ) and another son, Nathaniel Duncan Jr., dealing with a David Selleck, Merchant, in Boston on the sale of a ship, Adventure, in Va.. David Selleck was dealing with several folks in NN area (John Hallowes, Cornelius Lloyd, Thomas Owen, to name a few) Also, in Westmoreland orders 1698-1705 p 30a, there is a record of a Thomas Steel "of New England, merchant" affirmed that John "Higgins" brought and purchased from him an Indian man named Robin, which Indian man Steel brought from Jamaica into the Colony. In 1646 Selleck was also dealing with John Manning of Boston, Merchant, who was dealing with Isaac Allerton "of Newhaven" merchant who was dealing with Thomas Bushrode of Virginia. David Selleck died at sea (circa 1654)off the coast of Northampton Co Va, while in Va. collecting Tobacco to ship to England. Robert Tilghman married widow of Selleck around 1655 in Northampton Co Va. In 1655 Robert Tilghman made claim against estate of Capt. Stephen Charlton, who is said to have imported Peter Duncan (later in Westmoreland by mid 1650. My interest in all this = 5/28/1679 p 154 Dorman 2 Patrick Spence and Matthew Steel stood security with John Duncan 400000 pounds of tobacco in the settlement of Peter Duncan estate. So, question is : has anyone out there run this Jordan Rabbit before ? -- Fred Duncan

Craig, We are on the right track. Let's see how things go keep up the good work. Jim Burgess -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Craig Kilby Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 1:31 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Great job - One place to post families - Downing Family? Jim, One idea might be to use drobox.com for shared files. Somebody would have to administer it. I use dropbox with clients for shared files, or for linking things I want to send out over the internet via and URL link. This may not be the best solution, but for now at least one can upload images to the fb page. But...they won' t be organized in any rational manner, though I confess I am no expert at facebook. I am definitely open to anyone(s) wishing to be a co-administrator(s) of the fb page. There are fifteen people who signed up for the page already. Craig On Sep 22, 2011, at 1:19 PM, Jim Burgess wrote: > Craig, > > You are doing a great job! I really enjoy the list. > > My biggest wish would be that we could have a site where we could list > information on a family that is complete and accurate. If we could post a > family information (family group sheet or similar) with the information and > documentation with the family. That would be wonderful. If we could post > the original documents with the family information that would be a real > plus. > > This would keep down the duplication of posting and have given members of > the list one place to check out All of the families in the Northern Neck. > I know that is a lot of work, but in the long run it would make everyone's > efforts much more valuable. > > Hope that makes sense. > > Thanks > Jim Burgess > www.virginiasurnames.com > > > PS - Do we have any one who is working on the Downing family? I sent a > posting in a week or so ago. Only one or two responses. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Craig Kilby > Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 8:47 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Our Group on Facebook > > Jim, > > I thought it WAS a group. I did create it from own page using "create > group", however. If I've done this wrong, please tell me how to correct it. > > Craig > > On Sep 20, 2011, at 1:35 PM, Jim Burgess wrote: > >> You may want to make a Northern Neck Group rather than a personal page. >> Just a suggestion. >> Jim Burgess >> >> >> http://www.facebook.com/groups/278272062202180/ >> >> Let me know your thoughts on it. If the reaction is favorable, I will > keep >> it going. If the reaction is negative, I'll take it down. I only ask that > we >> give it a month to see what happens with it before we pass final judgment. >> Underline the word FINAL. >> >> Craig >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

jim Burgess You are one of my long time heros for what you've done for Fauquier County, in particular! My ancestor Thomas BARTLETT c1733-1806 passed through Fauquier Co 1769-1785 (he had several sons who served there in the RevWar). He moved to Harrison Co, (W)VA in 1785, and I've documented over 10,000 of his descendants. You and John Gott provided a lot of clues that helped me determine his ancestor was Thomas BARTLETT c1705-1783 of Richmond Co, VA. Since then we've found matching DNA from 4 of Thos Sr's 5 sons - one who stayed in Richmond Co, and three who went to Fauquier Co, VA, Culpeper Co, VA and Pendleton Dist, SC. I also descend from Sylvester WELCH b 1696 Northumberland Co, VA who married Anne SPENCE. From my records, Anne SPENCE was daughter of David SPENCE 1666-1726 of Northumberland Co, VA and Sarah DOWNING 1665-early 1700s. I have not done much original research on the DOWNINGs, but have that Sarah was dau of John B DOWNING and his second wife Elizabeth HUGHLETT, both of Northumberland Co, VA. I'll stop there in case I don't have these links correct. I would appreciate being linked with other DOWNING descendants. I have an office mate at NIST who has done DOWNING Y-DNA... With Family Finder DNA I have linked DNA through over 200 of my ancestors, but few in the NN. I do have two DNA cousins who share common ancestry with me back to Elizabeth WELCH b 1777 (probably Fauquier Co, VA). She descends from Sylvester WELCH above, but I cannot link any of the other WELCHs through DNA, yet. Would appreciate any corrections or additions. Jim Bartlett On 09/22/11, Jim Burgess<[email protected]> wrote: Craig, Thanks Jim Burgess [1]www.virginiasurnames.com PS - Do we have any one who is working on the Downing family? I sent a posting in a week or so ago. Only one or two responses. References 1. http://www.virginiasurnames.com/

My search on Berry is with Enoch Doughty who married Drubella Bunbury and their daughter Margaret married William Berry. Enoch was originally from Tauton MA, the son of Francis Doughty and Ann Graves. William Berry and Margaret have several children, one named Joseph who married Catherine Simcock. Their child Sarah married John Prince, and child Sarah Prince married William Hannon. This Hannon family was part of Indian massacre and the children reared by John Earle m to Thomasine Prince. John Prince father of Thomasine was married to Sarah Berry child of Joseph Berry and Catherine Simcock. Joseph Berry also has child Frances Berry who married married Thomas Dobyns whose gggrandaughter Emily Dobyns b 1832 married Robert Pollard Butler of Franklin MS, son of an Aaron Butler who had married Mary Day or Dew and who died in Amite MS. As far as the John Berry of 1705, it appears he had a son John Berry b 1727 in North or South Carolina and daughter Celia b 1767 who married Jacob Fortenberry or Faulkenbury, son of John Faulkenbury and Hannah Eubanks. There ggranddaughter married Hugh Butler the son of James Henry Butler who died in SC. This James Henry Butler has connections to Obadiah Hooper of Lunenberg, Va who was married to Millicent Brooks. The connection is somewhat hard to understand but the will can be found at SC Archives. There are also connections of a James Doughty of Maine who married Elizabeth Butler, the child of Moses Butler b 1702 and Mercy Wentworth. This family has connections to a Chief Donohoo and Mary Wentworth. Family then has connections to names of Graves and Poindexter. My search for the family of a Fannie Poindexter who married a Butler, not the William that the DAR has listed as that William, although of same DNA is the William Butler who married Charity Garrett and died in the massacre of Butler Alabama. At this point all information on this family is suspect, however it is believed her husband is buried in Wilkes Co., Ga dying in 1892. It is her son Aaron Butler who married Mary Day mentioned above. Billie Sutton Smith -----Original Message----- From: Janean Ray <[email protected]> To: va-northern-neck <[email protected]> Sent: Thu, Sep 22, 2011 11:53 am Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] BERRY FAMILY I have many BERRY's with various locations. I have a William H. Berry family out of Massachusetts married Elizabeth NAYLOR. One of their sons m. CREBS which descends from my WILSON/CHINN line originating in the Northern Neck but ending up in White Co. IL. Also associated with the WILSON/CHINN line is Philander Berry of Kentucky whose father was Benjamin b. 1756 of Ashbys Gap Frederick Co. Va. M. Sarah Matthews. Notes on Benjamin Referring to "Union County Past and Present" compiled by the WPA in 1941: Benjamin Berry, a school teacher and farmer of Frederick Co. VA (Ahsby's Gap) and a Private in the Revolutionary War. came to Union Co KY with his wife, Sarah, in 1800 Some years later he returned to VA and died there in 1814. His wife came back to Union Co in 1819 or 1820 and died there in 1823. Their son, Martin Matthews Berry, was born near Uniontown in1805. He married Rachel Ferris Anderson in 1826. Many children of the above unions. THEN getting away from Virginia I have an Ora G. (Dutch) Berry who m. Minnie Carpenter b. abt. 1885 in Jefferson Co. IL and while looking at them found this census information, not sure if it ties in or not. Jefferson Co. website 1900 census Blissville Twp. 116/118 BERRY, Edward head W M Sept 1874 25 S IL VT IL Farmer Lillian str W F June 1877 23 S IL VT IL Maymie str W F May 1880 20 S IL VT IL Walter btr W M Sept 1882 17 S IL VT IL Ira btr W M Jan 1885 15 S IL VT IL I also have Sarah Berry m. 1815 to Jacob Meadows of Rockingham Co. W.Va. His family being from Old Rappahannock Co. and Orange Co. Va. As well as before them, Essex Co. Sorry list for the brief diversion - but sometimes one never knows where a path will take you. Janean Ray ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jim, I thought it WAS a group. I did create it from own page using "create group", however. If I've done this wrong, please tell me how to correct it. Craig On Sep 20, 2011, at 1:35 PM, Jim Burgess wrote: > You may want to make a Northern Neck Group rather than a personal page. > Just a suggestion. > Jim Burgess > > > http://www.facebook.com/groups/278272062202180/ > > Let me know your thoughts on it. If the reaction is favorable, I will keep > it going. If the reaction is negative, I'll take it down. I only ask that we > give it a month to see what happens with it before we pass final judgment. > Underline the word FINAL. > > Craig > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have many BERRY's with various locations. I have a William H. Berry family out of Massachusetts married Elizabeth NAYLOR. One of their sons m. CREBS which descends from my WILSON/CHINN line originating in the Northern Neck but ending up in White Co. IL. Also associated with the WILSON/CHINN line is Philander Berry of Kentucky whose father was Benjamin b. 1756 of Ashbys Gap Frederick Co. Va. M. Sarah Matthews. Notes on Benjamin Referring to "Union County Past and Present" compiled by the WPA in 1941: Benjamin Berry, a school teacher and farmer of Frederick Co. VA (Ahsby's Gap) and a Private in the Revolutionary War. came to Union Co KY with his wife, Sarah, in 1800 Some years later he returned to VA and died there in 1814. His wife came back to Union Co in 1819 or 1820 and died there in 1823. Their son, Martin Matthews Berry, was born near Uniontown in1805. He married Rachel Ferris Anderson in 1826. Many children of the above unions. THEN getting away from Virginia I have an Ora G. (Dutch) Berry who m. Minnie Carpenter b. abt. 1885 in Jefferson Co. IL and while looking at them found this census information, not sure if it ties in or not. Jefferson Co. website 1900 census Blissville Twp. 116/118 BERRY, Edward head W M Sept 1874 25 S IL VT IL Farmer Lillian str W F June 1877 23 S IL VT IL Maymie str W F May 1880 20 S IL VT IL Walter btr W M Sept 1882 17 S IL VT IL Ira btr W M Jan 1885 15 S IL VT IL I also have Sarah Berry m. 1815 to Jacob Meadows of Rockingham Co. W.Va. His family being from Old Rappahannock Co. and Orange Co. Va. As well as before them, Essex Co. Sorry list for the brief diversion - but sometimes one never knows where a path will take you. Janean Ray

Craig, You are doing a great job! I really enjoy the list. My biggest wish would be that we could have a site where we could list information on a family that is complete and accurate. If we could post a family information (family group sheet or similar) with the information and documentation with the family. That would be wonderful. If we could post the original documents with the family information that would be a real plus. This would keep down the duplication of posting and have given members of the list one place to check out All of the families in the Northern Neck. I know that is a lot of work, but in the long run it would make everyone's efforts much more valuable. Hope that makes sense. Thanks Jim Burgess www.virginiasurnames.com PS - Do we have any one who is working on the Downing family? I sent a posting in a week or so ago. Only one or two responses. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Craig Kilby Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 8:47 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Our Group on Facebook Jim, I thought it WAS a group. I did create it from own page using "create group", however. If I've done this wrong, please tell me how to correct it. Craig On Sep 20, 2011, at 1:35 PM, Jim Burgess wrote: > You may want to make a Northern Neck Group rather than a personal page. > Just a suggestion. > Jim Burgess > > > http://www.facebook.com/groups/278272062202180/ > > Let me know your thoughts on it. If the reaction is favorable, I will keep > it going. If the reaction is negative, I'll take it down. I only ask that we > give it a month to see what happens with it before we pass final judgment. > Underline the word FINAL. > > Craig > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have been doing research on the Berry family, and this John seems to lead to SC and on the Mississippi with connections to the Butler family, which are of the H group in DNA project at Butler History site on the internet. I also have been trying to tie them to the Berry family that married into the Doughty family with connections to MA and Maine. I would love to see more information on these families. Billie Sutton Smith -----Original Message----- From: Craig Kilby <[email protected]> To: Northern Neck Northern Neck List <[email protected]> Sent: Wed, Sep 21, 2011 8:33 pm Subject: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] BERRY FAMILY I want to start a thread on the BERRY family of Westmoreland County. This may go no where, but it will surely open some doors. I'll start with my brick wall and perhaps this will lead to where I think it may go. My theory (which may be totally incorrect) is that the John Berry below belongs in the Westmoreland county family of that name. I am praying that somebody on this list has done more work on this than I have. It all starts with one JOHN BERRY, born ca 1705. Where, I don't know. I am suspecting in Westmoreland County. He did have the curtesy to write a will recorded in 1779 in Culpeper County. We know his wife was named Jemima. That is where we are all STUCK. I know who his children were, and from thence forward is not an issue. It's going backwards that has caused headaches. This may be a completely different BERRY family than the one in the Northern Neck. For what it's worth, his will names: (A) Wife Jemima. Maiden name not known His will names 11 children (the Germanna family connections are numerous). I won't lay all that out here, because I am not sure there will be interest in stuff from Culpeper County. But, it is a possibility I'd like to explore. What I hope happens here is a discussion of the Berry family in Westmoreland County. I have a number of lines from that county that are not usually discussed on this list. HUDSON, RUSH, POPHAM, STONEHOUSE, TURBERVILLE, ENGLAND to name a few. They are usually Quakers. Craig ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Craig, Fwiw, Thomas Berry, who died in Northumberland Co., VA in 1742/1743 (Will written 22 February 1742/43, Codicil 12 March 1742/43, and Will proven 11 April 1743), did have a son named John in addition to children George, William, Alice Lattimore, Patience Ingram, Elizabeth Forrester, Sarah, and Thomas Berry, Jr.   My line is through daughter Patience Ingram and I don't have anything on son John.       I don't know if you've seen the following posting or not (which may be helpful with Jemima): http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/vaamhers/2000-09/0968720969 Thanks. David

I want to start a thread on the BERRY family of Westmoreland County. This may go no where, but it will surely open some doors. I'll start with my brick wall and perhaps this will lead to where I think it may go. My theory (which may be totally incorrect) is that the John Berry below belongs in the Westmoreland county family of that name. I am praying that somebody on this list has done more work on this than I have. It all starts with one JOHN BERRY, born ca 1705. Where, I don't know. I am suspecting in Westmoreland County. He did have the curtesy to write a will recorded in 1779 in Culpeper County. We know his wife was named Jemima. That is where we are all STUCK. I know who his children were, and from thence forward is not an issue. It's going backwards that has caused headaches. This may be a completely different BERRY family than the one in the Northern Neck. For what it's worth, his will names: (A) Wife Jemima. Maiden name not known His will names 11 children (the Germanna family connections are numerous). I won't lay all that out here, because I am not sure there will be interest in stuff from Culpeper County. But, it is a possibility I'd like to explore. What I hope happens here is a discussion of the Berry family in Westmoreland County. I have a number of lines from that county that are not usually discussed on this list. HUDSON, RUSH, POPHAM, STONEHOUSE, TURBERVILLE, ENGLAND to name a few. They are usually Quakers. Craig

Anne, I had had a rootsweb list for the KILBY family since 1997. That is not a common name, and every Kilby I know except me is pretty taciturn. It was receiving nothing but junk mail and nothing else. But a cousin of mine in Gloucester County had set up a Kilby web site which was (and does) generate pretty good traffic. When I decided to shut down the Kilby rootsweb list, we agreed to open it on facebook. It's been pretty successful for unexpected reasons. We've certainly found new cousins and new documents we would have never found on our own. To my pleasant surprise, it has been a pretty professional group who all mean well, and no spammers. So, this is not a bad thing. It's just a different thing. Craig On Sep 21, 2011, at 4:42 PM, Anne P. Johnson wrote: > Agreed. I see it as more of a way to share links to resources, and to > share photos, than to discuss queries in any depth. > > > On Sep 21, 2011, at 4:15 PM, Janean Ray wrote: > >> We can actually share photos there. >> >> >> Janean Ray >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Anne P. >> Johnson >> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 3:52 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Our Group on Facebook >> >> Craig, >> >> I LOVE the idea, and being a technology lover (and in my 30s), I do >> not >> think it is experimental at all! Lots of groups are doing it, and I >> think >> that younger users tend to expect organizations to have a Facebook and >> Twitter presence online, in addition to listservs, message boards, >> websites, >> and blogs. >> >> I really appreciate the information that i get from other genealogy >> groups >> on Facebook. I find that, overall, there is less exchange of very >> detailed, >> specific family information on FB than on the listservs. Rather, >> Facebook is >> a wonderful way to link up with other like-minded or geographically- >> related >> groups, and is a good way to send out information about events, >> related >> websites, and articles. It is also a great way to send out photos. I >> have >> found so many wonderful resources via my FB genealogy groups. >> >> I can already say that I see it as a wonderful addition to the >> information >> already compiled here. Thanks for setting it up! >> >> Thank you for all you do, >> Anne Palmer Johnson >> >> p.s. You WILL get some of the dreaded "drive-by" genealogists, but i >> think >> you will find the benefits outweigh the negatives. >> >> On Sep 20, 2011, at 12:47 PM, Craig Kilby wrote: >> >>> Hello all, >>> >>> I am doing something experimental here. I created a facebook (aka >>> fb) group for our list. This may be a good idea or a bad idea. Time >>> will tell. The reason why is that many rootsweb list administrators >>> are doing this, and I thought I'd like to see what happens if we did >>> the same thing. I suspect it will be a mixed bag of good and bad. >>> The good part will be more participants. The bad part is that many of >>> them will be drive-by newbies. The NNVHS has its own facebook page, >>> and the recent even to raise funds for the NNVHS scholarship fund >>> sold >>> 13 tickets in a day by posting the event on its fb page. >>> Face book is the poster child for mass communication. >>> >>> Nothing will change with the rootsweb list. This is purely optional >>> on >>> your part. Even if you already have a facebook account. >>> >>> If you do NOT have a facebook account, and don't want to have one, no >>> further action is necessary You just won't see what people are >>> posting >>> there. >>> >>> Consequences: I will probably have to send over and over this same >>> message. I may well change my mind about this. But, let's see what >>> happens. It may also dumb-down our list, but it also may smart-up the >>> list. Like I said, iI think it will be a mixed bag. >>> >>> If you are on facebook, you can join at: >>> >>> http://www.facebook.com/groups/278272062202180/ >>> >>> Let me know your thoughts on it. If the reaction is favorable, I >>> will >>> keep it going. If the reaction is negative, I'll take it down. >>> I only ask that we give it a month to see what happens with it before >>> we pass final judgment. Underline the word FINAL. >>> >>> Craig >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] >>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the >>> body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Janean, Facebook has its pros (plenty) and cons (plenty more). Some have eschewed it, others have embraced it. It is optional and will not cause any changes to this list-serve on rootsweb. It is indeed a good venue for sharing documents and photos, which we cannot do on rootsweb. Craig On Sep 21, 2011, at 4:15 PM, Janean Ray wrote: > We can actually share photos there. > > > Janean Ray > > --

Thanks Mike for the suggestion.   From: mike marshall <[email protected]> To: DAVID BROWN <[email protected]>; "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 6:59 PM Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Newman and Ford and Morton it may be the Woodbridge family that ties the two newman families together; seems like they pop up very often On Sep 20, 2011, at 6:44 PM, DAVID BROWN wrote: > >Thanks Kathleen.   Do you happen to have any information as to the parents of this Alexander Newman?   I'm curious if he is related somehow to Patience Newman who married John Ford and Mary Newman who married Andrew Morton, Jr.   Patience and Mary also had  a sibling named Thomas. >> >>David >> >> >> > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

it may be the Woodbridge family that ties the two newman families together; seems like they pop up very often On Sep 20, 2011, at 6:44 PM, DAVID BROWN wrote: > >Thanks Kathleen.   Do you happen to have any information as to the parents of this Alexander Newman?   I'm curious if he is related somehow to Patience Newman who married John Ford and Mary Newman who married Andrew Morton, Jr.   Patience and Mary also had  a sibling named Thomas. >> >>David >> >> >> > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Thanks Kathleen!   From: Kathleen Much <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 12:32 PM Subject: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Newman (was: Re: NUTT) I don't know anything about Patience, Mary, or Thomas Newman. Alexander, John, and Samuel were three sons of John Newman d 1676-1677. William Montgomery Sweeny, _Wills of Rappahannock County, Virginia, 1656-1692_ (Lynchburg, VA: J.P. Bell, 1947), p. 56: "2 April 1676; Proved 2 May & 4 July 1677. NEWMAN, JOHN, of the County of Rappa. in Virginia. To eldest son Alexander Newman 600 acres of land that lie at Morattico Indian Towne it being the halfe of 1200 acres of land taken Up between Paule Woodbridge and myself onely my sonne Alexander shall give & grant unto his brother John what Timber he shall have occasion to use upon the Plantation which his Father have given him as long as they two shall live. To son John Newman the Plantation where I now live. To son Samuell Newman 20,000 pounds of Tob. and a breeding mare. To sons Alexander & John all the rest of my Estate moveables & unmoveables. Son Alexander shall take possession of my whole Estate after my decease till my other sons Samuell and John comes to age, provided these friends below mentioned doth see that he doth not Embezill nor waste the Estate. Further my desire is that my Friends should look into the Estate Every Yeare & if they should see that y^e Estate should be wronged my desire is they should take it into their Custody till my Children come of age & if in case my son Alexander should Embezill any thing of y^e Estate whilst he may have it in his custody then I doe Order he shall pay to his brother Samuell 20,000 pounds of Tob. & in case he should increase the Estate then he shall pay to his brother Samuell five Thousand the first yeare he comes to age & 5000 the second year. Likewise I order that my sonne John shall pay to his brother Samuell 500 the first yeare that he comes to age and 5000 the secnd yeare. Further I would desire Cap^t Leroy Griffin M^r Paule Woodbridge M^r Thomas Glascock as this my Will doth Specifie Likewise I would desire them to Act according to it further I would desire my friend Paule Woodbridge once a Week Come & give my sonne advice & for the consideration therof I give him 500 pounds Tob. p^r yeare. Wit. Richard X Bowler, W^m Woodward, aged 20 years or thereabouts, Thomas Barber, aged 34 years or thereabouts. "Proved by W^m Woodward 2 May 1677 and by Thomas Barber [He signed as Thomas Bankes] 4 July 1677. Page 27." Kathleen On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 David wrote: > > Thanks Kathleen. ? Do you happen to have any information as to the parents of this Alexander Newman? ? I'm curious if he is related somehow to Patience Newman who married John Ford and Mary Newman who married Andrew Morton, Jr. ? Patience and Mary also had ?a sibling named Thomas. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Marsha.   Yes, I would think this would be the same family although perhaps a generation or two later than the family I'm wondering about.     I don't really have anything solid.   Elizabeth (Morton) Lattimore Bledsoe left a will about 1708 (working from memory) in which she named son Richard Lattimore and granddaughters Mary Berry & Winifred Nelms.   The Berry surname is what struck me as I have an ancestor Thomas Berry born c.1682 who married a woman named Patience (MNU).    Also, my Thomas Berry family seems to have been  associated with this Richard Lattimore.    Then, to top it off, I learned that Elizabeth (Morton) Lattimore Bledsoe had a sister-in-law (think this is the correct relationship) named Mary Newman and that Mary Newman's sister was named Patience (which led me to speculate if Thomas Berry's wife is possibly connected to this same Newman family somehow).   I could be wrong, but Patience does not seem to have been a common name in the Northern Neck in the late 1600's and early 1700's (it was found in the Downing family though). From: marsha moses <[email protected]> To: DAVID BROWN <[email protected]>; [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 8:36 AM Subject: Newman and Ford and Morton I keep a kind of loose data base that has Newmans and Fords and Mortons in it.  I have a Thomas Newman married to an Elizabeth Morton who have children born circa 1740.  Is this the same Thomas?  In my "loose" data base I have the following information about Thomas and Elizabeth Morton Newman's son:  Alexander?/Reuben? who married Jane Bourne.    This couple was first cousins as Alexander’s mother was Elizabeth Morton Newman--sister to Jane Morton Bourne. The Source is the will of Andrew Bourne read in Gilmore-Carter and allied families by Helen Gilmore Smith Thomas Same People?   Marsha Moses On Sep 20, 2011, at 6:44 PM, DAVID BROWN wrote: Thanks Kathleen.   Do you happen to have any information as to the parents of this Alexander Newman?   I'm curious if he is related somehow to Patience Newman who married John Ford and Mary Newman who married Andrew Morton, Jr.   Patience and Mary also had  a sibling named Thomas. > >David > > >

Agreed. I see it as more of a way to share links to resources, and to share photos, than to discuss queries in any depth. On Sep 21, 2011, at 4:15 PM, Janean Ray wrote: > We can actually share photos there. > > > Janean Ray > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Anne P. > Johnson > Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 3:52 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Our Group on Facebook > > Craig, > > I LOVE the idea, and being a technology lover (and in my 30s), I do > not > think it is experimental at all! Lots of groups are doing it, and I > think > that younger users tend to expect organizations to have a Facebook and > Twitter presence online, in addition to listservs, message boards, > websites, > and blogs. > > I really appreciate the information that i get from other genealogy > groups > on Facebook. I find that, overall, there is less exchange of very > detailed, > specific family information on FB than on the listservs. Rather, > Facebook is > a wonderful way to link up with other like-minded or geographically- > related > groups, and is a good way to send out information about events, > related > websites, and articles. It is also a great way to send out photos. I > have > found so many wonderful resources via my FB genealogy groups. > > I can already say that I see it as a wonderful addition to the > information > already compiled here. Thanks for setting it up! > > Thank you for all you do, > Anne Palmer Johnson > > p.s. You WILL get some of the dreaded "drive-by" genealogists, but i > think > you will find the benefits outweigh the negatives. > > On Sep 20, 2011, at 12:47 PM, Craig Kilby wrote: > >> Hello all, >> >> I am doing something experimental here. I created a facebook (aka >> fb) group for our list. This may be a good idea or a bad idea. Time >> will tell. The reason why is that many rootsweb list administrators >> are doing this, and I thought I'd like to see what happens if we did >> the same thing. I suspect it will be a mixed bag of good and bad. >> The good part will be more participants. The bad part is that many of >> them will be drive-by newbies. The NNVHS has its own facebook page, >> and the recent even to raise funds for the NNVHS scholarship fund >> sold >> 13 tickets in a day by posting the event on its fb page. >> Face book is the poster child for mass communication. >> >> Nothing will change with the rootsweb list. This is purely optional >> on >> your part. Even if you already have a facebook account. >> >> If you do NOT have a facebook account, and don't want to have one, no >> further action is necessary You just won't see what people are >> posting >> there. >> >> Consequences: I will probably have to send over and over this same >> message. I may well change my mind about this. But, let's see what >> happens. It may also dumb-down our list, but it also may smart-up the >> list. Like I said, iI think it will be a mixed bag. >> >> If you are on facebook, you can join at: >> >> http://www.facebook.com/groups/278272062202180/ >> >> Let me know your thoughts on it. If the reaction is favorable, I >> will >> keep it going. If the reaction is negative, I'll take it down. >> I only ask that we give it a month to see what happens with it before >> we pass final judgment. Underline the word FINAL. >> >> Craig >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the >> body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message