Anne, GREAT! I"I've already set you up as a co-admin (didn't you get a notice?), and have asked Jim Burgess to also be a co-admin. Haven't heard back from him yet on that. Now, changing topics. I'd like to tap Mike Marshall on the IDEA of his being our guinea pig on throwing up his vast database onto the type of ancestry.com tree I was talking about. I know he already has it on ancestry, but it is not a shared project. I'd don't know if he'd be open to this or not. Either way, Mike you should send out a link to it both here and on the new fb page. The reason I think of Mike Marshall is that (1) I have met him personally and think quite highly of him (2) he is somewhat of a name collector and his database probably includes almost anyone we can think of in the Northern Neck and (3) could probably be a great project for correcting things. By which I mean by all of this, it is the _perfect_candidate. I don't know if he'd be willing to do this, however. It would not mean he'd give up his other site, or even have to make any changes to it. Just a one-man brainstorm. Mike, what do you think? Jim Burgess, your data base might be a good guinea pig too. My NN list is just too small. Further, when I first created it, it was for a completely different reason than a "real" database--it was for a chart. As a result, I have scads of duplicate people who need to be merged and connected into the right families. I'm working on that, but I'd just as soon not start with something that disastrous. Craig On Sep 23, 2011, at 7:27 PM, Anne P. Johnson wrote: > Craig - > > Glad to help. I have little to offer to the group in the way of > research i have done, and spend much of my time lurking in case my one > Stafford Co. family is mentioned. (And Stafford itself is rarely > mentioned.) It will make me feel as if I am contributing. > > Just let me know when you set me up as an admin and I will start > posting relevant material (mostly links to sites and articles). > > Thanks, > Anne > On Sep 23, 2011, at 5:45 PM, Craig Kilby wrote: > >> Anne, >> >> I've taken you up on your offer to be a co-admin of the new fb page. >> You seem to be a lot more savvy at this than I. And you have much >> better ideas! >> >> As of now, there are 18 members on the fb page. There are roughly >> 170 members on the rootsweb list. So, I doubt it will really be a >> huge group of people there. The advantage, as you say, is that it >> may be a whole lot easier for new people to find us on fb than on >> rootsweb, which is complicated. That way, we can direct them to the >> discussion board. >> >> Craig >> >> On Sep 23, 2011, at 4:24 PM, Anne P. Johnson wrote: >> >>> Dear List: >>> >>> This is a good example of something that could be posted on FB: A >>> short explanation of DNA testing, along with a link to a testing >>> company's website. And think how much more possible DNA you are >>> reaching with that link. >>> >>> Another link you could add is Jim's website - >>> www.virginiasurnames.com >>> >>> These all might drive traffic to your NN list, or add to the >>> available >>> data on these families. >>> >>> Anne >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Craig - Glad to help. I have little to offer to the group in the way of research i have done, and spend much of my time lurking in case my one Stafford Co. family is mentioned. (And Stafford itself is rarely mentioned.) It will make me feel as if I am contributing. Just let me know when you set me up as an admin and I will start posting relevant material (mostly links to sites and articles). Thanks, Anne On Sep 23, 2011, at 5:45 PM, Craig Kilby wrote: > Anne, > > I've taken you up on your offer to be a co-admin of the new fb page. > You seem to be a lot more savvy at this than I. And you have much > better ideas! > > As of now, there are 18 members on the fb page. There are roughly > 170 members on the rootsweb list. So, I doubt it will really be a > huge group of people there. The advantage, as you say, is that it > may be a whole lot easier for new people to find us on fb than on > rootsweb, which is complicated. That way, we can direct them to the > discussion board. > > Craig > > On Sep 23, 2011, at 4:24 PM, Anne P. Johnson wrote: > >> Dear List: >> >> This is a good example of something that could be posted on FB: A >> short explanation of DNA testing, along with a link to a testing >> company's website. And think how much more possible DNA you are >> reaching with that link. >> >> Another link you could add is Jim's website - >> www.virginiasurnames.com >> >> These all might drive traffic to your NN list, or add to the >> available >> data on these families. >> >> Anne > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Anne, I've taken you up on your offer to be a co-admin of the new fb page. You seem to be a lot more savvy at this than I. And you have much better ideas! As of now, there are 18 members on the fb page. There are roughly 170 members on the rootsweb list. So, I doubt it will really be a huge group of people there. The advantage, as you say, is that it may be a whole lot easier for new people to find us on fb than on rootsweb, which is complicated. That way, we can direct them to the discussion board. Craig On Sep 23, 2011, at 4:24 PM, Anne P. Johnson wrote: > Dear List: > > This is a good example of something that could be posted on FB: A > short explanation of DNA testing, along with a link to a testing > company's website. And think how much more possible DNA you are > reaching with that link. > > Another link you could add is Jim's website - www.virginiasurnames.com > > These all might drive traffic to your NN list, or add to the available > data on these families. > > Anne

On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 Janean wrote: >Ancesty I've heard then OWNS your information and people have tried to remove it or make corrections and can't... I don't know the details ----- Janean is right. Back at the dawn of the World Wide Web, before graphic interfaces and web browsers existed,, I participated in several genealogical bulletin boards. I made the huge mistake of emailing a large part of my database to a fellow researcher; he uploaded it to Ancestry *without* most of my notes and sources, and without asking my permission. For years thereafter I kept seeing big chunks of my database on the Internet without attribution. I could recognize it because of the glaring--and unique-- errors that I had by then corrected. I contacted Ancestry, told them of the errors and how they had got onto the website, and asked to be cited as the source and allowed to correct the errors. Ancestry turned me down flat. They arrogantly told me that I could buy MY OWN MATERIAL from them on a CD at some outrageously inflated price, and then *maybe* they would consider letting me fix the mistakes. I declined. Ever since I have avoided giving Ancestry any of my research or my money. The old flawed, outdated material is probably still circulating. At this point I don't want any credit for it anyway. Beware of letting your research escape your control, especially if it can be appropriated without attribution and sold without your consent. Ancestry still doesn't seem to offer any protection. Kathleen Much

Janean, Look at this way. This crap is all over the internet anyway, and this is one to get it fixed or at least great improved. And yes, ancestry.com will certainly claim ownership of it. If they are going to be selling other peoples' research--either outright or through subscriptions, it may as well be correct(ed). I don't know exactly how all the details work and how George did it. I do know he has to invite you to it, and only the people he invites can access it much less make changes. I'll have to ask him for more details. I have over 17,000 people in my KILBY data base I can assure you a lot them are wrong. But, it would be great if someone went in and fixed all of it (!). As I said, it would be a bold move on somebodies part. But I have seen it done and it hasn't been the disaster I had thought it would be. Being a closed group who are in touch via two list serves has certainly helped. George has run it though, which much take up a lot of time. Craig On Sep 23, 2011, at 4:15 PM, Janean Ray wrote: > I'm a little suspicious of why anyone would want to upload their entire > database to places like ancestry and say world connect.... Nothing is EVER > fully proven and therefore subject to just continually passing along wrong > information. I have had people take my information and upload it to World > Connect and at this very minute my LIVING mother is listed on there. I have > seen hoards of my information on there that someone got a hold of very early > on in my research and put it on World Connect and its totally now wrong. > > Ancestry I've heard then OWNS your information and people have tried to > remove it or make corrections and can't... I don't know the details because > it didn't involve me but I've also seen people who "collect" names and > families..... And don't care where they get the information. 20+ thousand > people in a database seems a little suspicious to me. I've seen that on > World Connect and I've gone into people's pages...... And somehow always > seem to find my family attached to them. > > > > > Janean > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Craig Kilby > Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 3:56 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] We have a golden opportunity to build > alastinglegacy for Northern Neck Families. > > Here is one idea if anyone is bold enough to try it. > > Not more than a month ago, George Durman of Kentucky posted his entire > database of over 25,000 people on ancestry.com. The catch is that it is a > private database. This mainly involved Germanna descendants. He issued > invitations to the site to anyone who asked. He also made them > co-administrators. One does NOT have to be a subscriber to ancestry.com to > go in and see it, or to make edits. And one is allowed it at the invitation > of George Durman. But he has thrown open the doors. > > It's been a very interesting experience so far, and is working fairly well. > The web site interface itself is not exactly intuitive, and we've all been > going through a learning curve. But, nobody is "assigned" a task and can > work on anything they want. You can upload documents and photos. You can > create source citations. This was announced and mainly is monitored, so to > speak, through two rootsweb lists. One is asked to please report to those > lists any changes you have made, or uploads you have done, and why. George > says there have been a few people he had to change from administrator to > contributor, and one person he had to just outright block, but other than > that it has really gone much more smoothly than I would have predicted. > > My NN database is only about 1500 people and not large enough to even try > this. It would take something on the scale of George's work....which he > quite honestly--and quite correctly--said at the beginning that he knew it > had many, many, many mistakes. > > As clunky as this site is, it is a 100% improvement of the totally > user-unfriendly site at werelate.com > > I suspect it would need to be imported from an FTM file and no other genie > program for best results. > > Craig > > > On Sep 23, 2011, at 3:44 PM, Janean Ray wrote: > >> I'm sure there is a good idea here somewhere but although I love >> genealogy and could talk about my families endlessly... And have.... >> Lol, I don't want "assigned" a family to handle. I too have just as >> many as you do, Northern Neck families I'm sure considering I'm a >> Chinn, Ball, Tarpley, Travers, Glascock, Dew, Sydnor, Atherold, Payne, >> Mitchell....... Etc. etc. etc. and that is just one region and only >> one part of my father's family... There is no way possible I would >> want to be responsible for then some possible 40 or more people on >> this list who might be related to say the Chinn family giving me all >> their info....... I can't find time enough to do just what I need to >> do personally. Sorry but that is a huge thing to ask of people. I >> have a full time job and don't often get on line when I get home from >> work.. I'd never be able to keep up and wouldn't want to let the >> members of this list down, nor would I ever have time to do any other >> genealogy on my own. I don't even have my own stuff at home organized >> or all of it documented yet on my database. Sorry but that idea can't >> possibly fly. Besides as indicated previously, some members of the >> list are not subscribed to facebook and will not be planning on >> joining therefore considering we've already had a suggestion to not >> discuss family lines on FB because some people won't subscribe and >> therefore miss good information which needs to be left to the >> list..... Those same people will not then be privy to all the family >> information, documents etc. I'm not exactly sure yet how facebook will > benefit us. So we need to take it slow and see what ideas can come from > using it once it gets going. >> >> Janean >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jim >> Burgess >> Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 12:12 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] We have a golden opportunity to build a >> lastinglegacy for Northern Neck Families. >> >> Dear Northern Neck Genealogist, >> >> >> >> Just a few suggestions on how to improve our group. >> >> >> >> C. With all of the members of the list I would like to suggest that > we >> assign different people to take one or two of our families names and be >> responsible for that family name. Every one would send that person >> information on a family name. That family representative would be >> responsible to organize that a family and add the documentation to >> that family. >> >> >> >> D. The family representative would organize that family and add >> documentation to a family and would work with other cousins or interested >> members of the list off line. When the group felt that they had the > family >> in really good shape the family representative would send in the >> family to Craig so that their family could be posted. >> >> >> >> E. I have a lot of information on the Conway family, but have seen > a >> million email come through so that my old mind is boggeled by the >> number of comments. >> >> >> >> F. Craig or some one or the group could set the standards on how to >> set up a particular family. >> >> >> >> G. We could settle disputes off line in a friendly manner. >> >> >> >> H. We should post books, sources, wills, marriages, birth, death, > etc >> etc. >> >> >> >> Face book is going to give us some wonder opportunities in this area. If >> we are organized from the start we could build a wonderful data base >> on our Northern Neck families. >> >> >> >> How many members do we have on our list? >> >> >> >> I picked the Downing family because several of my surnames appear in >> the family - Downing, Smith, Hudnall, Cottrell, Cockrill, Nutt, Blackwell > etc. >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> Jim Burgess >> >> [email protected] >> >> www.virginiasurnames.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear List: This is a good example of something that could be posted on FB: A short explanation of DNA testing, along with a link to a testing company's website. And think how much more possible DNA you are reaching with that link. Another link you could add is Jim's website - www.virginiasurnames.com These all might drive traffic to your NN list, or add to the available data on these families. Anne On Sep 23, 2011, at 3:55 PM, Jim Bartlett wrote: > > Family Finder DNA testing could be a boon to NN researchers - this > test > reports back cousins who have taken this test who descend from any/ > all of > your ancestors - it analyzes the DNA you get from all of your > ancestors and > compares it with other folks' tests and determines when two people > share a > significant amount of DNA to have a strong likelyhood of > descending from the > same ancestor. It is up to the two folks who match to compare > their trees to > find the common ancestor, but the DNA gives a strong clue that a > common > ancestor exists. Every month a new batch of matches come in. Over > the past > year I have been developing/honing a method to most easily/ > efficiently share > information for the first pass. > > The method I use is an extension of the alphabetical surname list > - it > include info on the Patriarchs which, hopefully, will make a > match > immediately recognizable. Here is my list, trimmed to only include > known NN > families: > > BARKLEY, William b c1739 VA; RevWar in Fauquier Co, VA; then some > to Scott > Co, KY > > BARTLETT, Thomas b c1705; in Richmond Co, VA 1720-on; > > BRANCH, Christopher I 1598-1681; Christopher II, Christopher III; > Obedience > ?-1774 m Wm CHEATHAM > > CAMMOCK, Mary m c1700 Francis STERNE b 1638 England, d 1713 > Richmond Co, VA > > CARROLL, Daniel of Westmoreland Co, VA, son Dempsey 1711-1776 > Fauquier Co, > VA; to (W)VA, OH, KY > > DICKERSON, Thomas C 1690s-1734 Essex Co, VA; Hanover Co, VA early > 1700s > > DOWNING, Capt William, prominent in early 1700s in Northumberland > Co, VA; > dau Sarah m David SPENCE > > GRAVES, Thomas b 1580 d 1635 Northumberland Co, VA; descendants of > Essex Co, > VA > > HARRIS, Capt Thomas b c1586 Essex Co, England d 1649 VA; came to > Virginia > > HATHAWAY, William b 1636, descendants in Lancaster Co, VA 1600s- > on; RevWar > in Fauquier Co, VA > > HAWKINS, John b 1680 England; d 1740 Essex Co, VA; descendants > in Richmond > Co, VA early 1700s > > LAWSON, Roland b 1617 England; to VA 1633; four generations > Lancaster Co, VA > thru 1700s: Eppa; Henry > > LIGON, Thomas to William to Thomas to Elizabeth 1701-1780 (m James > ANDERSON; > lived Amelia Co, VA) > > SANFORD, John Sr â Westmoreland Co, VA 1600s to Fairfax Co, VA > > SPENCE, David d 1726 Northumberland Co, VA â Westmoreland Co, VA > 1600s > > STEPHENS, Robert d 1771 Fauquier â RevWar in Fauquier Co, VA; then > to KY > > TIMBERLAKE, Francis b 1687 England; d 1727 Middlesex Co, VA â > Northumberland > Co, VA 1600s; > > WELCH, John to Sylvester â Westmoreland Co, VA 1600s; RevWar in > Fauquier Co, > VA > > WILLIS, William 1690-1716; dau Sarah b 1700 Richmond Co, VA > > My complete ancestors-only tree, with more detail, is updated > regularly at > Ancestry: > > JVB Ancestors for DNA - > [1]http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/20620230/family?fpid=970810920 > > > Look at FAQs at [2]www.familytreedna.com for more detail than you > probably > want on Family Finder DNA. > > Combining reports on Family Finder DNA cousins with some of Jim > Burgess's > suggestions could really advance the documentation of NN families. > > Jim Bartlett > > On 09/23/11, Jim Burgess<[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Northern Neck Genealogist, > Just a few suggestions on how to improve our group. > A. If members of this list are like me they are descendants from > several Northern Neck Families > Here are most of my family Northern Neck Families - Cockrill, > Anderson, > Prou, Travis, Turner, Shippey, Minter, Rogers, Rosser, Neavil, > Thornton, > Aylett, Talifaferro, Burgess, Buckner, Price Fewell, Whiteman, > Shumate, > James, Rowley, Partridge, Waugh, Crosby, Blackwell, Conyers, > Matthews, > Steptoe, Stephen, Eustace, Jauncey, Lee, Kendall, Heath, Glascock, > Fauntleroy, Conway, Ellis (2), Stone, Robinson, Muttone, > Armistead, Ball > (3), Romney, Atherold, Bowater, Owen, Ellis, Buckner, Nichols, > Smoot, > Goodrich, Champ, Campbell, Bradley, Cossens, Baker, Hancock, > Johnson (3), > Nelson, Juet, Taylor, Post, Smith (3), Mott, Hamilton, Gillargre, > Hamilton, > Fielding, Doniphan, Mott, Pigg, Crosby, Bailey, Walker, Jeffries, > Carr, > Eskridge, Osborne, Owens, Strator, Lnu, Beverly,Robinson (2) > Pritchard, > Tooke, Muse, Bohannon, Thoresby, Crackplace, Ferrers, Ironmonger, > Peasley, > Aylett, Taylor (2), Presley, Thornton, Rowland, Savage, Mottrom, > Griffen, > Catlett, Grymes, Underwood, Newby, Tomlin and several other. I > realize that > some of these families may not all be Northern Neck Families. > I have never made this list before. Looks like there are about 100 > families. No wonder I love this list so much. > ... > > Thanks > Jim Burgess > [3][email protected] > [4]www.virginiasurnames.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an > email to > VA-N[5][email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > References > > 1. http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/20620230/family?fpid=970810920 > 2. http://www.familytreedna.com/ > 3. mailto:[email protected] > 4. http://www.virginiasurnames.com/ > 5. mailto:[email protected] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

I'm a little suspicious of why anyone would want to upload their entire database to places like ancestry and say world connect.... Nothing is EVER fully proven and therefore subject to just continually passing along wrong information. I have had people take my information and upload it to World Connect and at this very minute my LIVING mother is listed on there. I have seen hoards of my information on there that someone got a hold of very early on in my research and put it on World Connect and its totally now wrong. Ancesty I've heard then OWNS your information and people have tried to remove it or make corrections and can't... I don't know the details because it didn't involve me but I've also seen people who "collect" names and families..... And don't care where they get the information. 20+ thousand people in a database seems a little suspicious to me. I've seen that on World Connect and I've gone into people's pages...... And somehow always seem to find my family attached to them. Janean -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Craig Kilby Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 3:56 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] We have a golden opportunity to build alastinglegacy for Northern Neck Families. Here is one idea if anyone is bold enough to try it. Not more than a month ago, George Durman of Kentucky posted his entire database of over 25,000 people on ancestry.com. The catch is that it is a private database. This mainly involved Germanna descendants. He issued invitations to the site to anyone who asked. He also made them co-administrators. One does NOT have to be a subscriber to ancestry.com to go in and see it, or to make edits. And one is allowed it at the invitation of George Durman. But he has thrown open the doors. It's been a very interesting experience so far, and is working fairly well. The web site interface itself is not exactly intuitive, and we've all been going through a learning curve. But, nobody is "assigned" a task and can work on anything they want. You can upload documents and photos. You can create source citations. This was announced and mainly is monitored, so to speak, through two rootsweb lists. One is asked to please report to those lists any changes you have made, or uploads you have done, and why. George says there have been a few people he had to change from administrator to contributor, and one person he had to just outright block, but other than that it has really gone much more smoothly than I would have predicted. My NN database is only about 1500 people and not large enough to even try this. It would take something on the scale of George's work....which he quite honestly--and quite correctly--said at the beginning that he knew it had many, many, many mistakes. As clunky as this site is, it is a 100% improvement of the totally user-unfriendly site at werelate.com I suspect it would need to be imported from an FTM file and no other genie program for best results. Craig On Sep 23, 2011, at 3:44 PM, Janean Ray wrote: > I'm sure there is a good idea here somewhere but although I love > genealogy and could talk about my families endlessly... And have.... > Lol, I don't want "assigned" a family to handle. I too have just as > many as you do, Northern Neck families I'm sure considering I'm a > Chinn, Ball, Tarpley, Travers, Glascock, Dew, Sydnor, Atherold, Payne, > Mitchell....... Etc. etc. etc. and that is just one region and only > one part of my father's family... There is no way possible I would > want to be responsible for then some possible 40 or more people on > this list who might be related to say the Chinn family giving me all > their info....... I can't find time enough to do just what I need to > do personally. Sorry but that is a huge thing to ask of people. I > have a full time job and don't often get on line when I get home from > work.. I'd never be able to keep up and wouldn't want to let the > members of this list down, nor would I ever have time to do any other > genealogy on my own. I don't even have my own stuff at home organized > or all of it documented yet on my database. Sorry but that idea can't > possibly fly. Besides as indicated previously, some members of the > list are not subscribed to facebook and will not be planning on > joining therefore considering we've already had a suggestion to not > discuss family lines on FB because some people won't subscribe and > therefore miss good information which needs to be left to the > list..... Those same people will not then be privy to all the family > information, documents etc. I'm not exactly sure yet how facebook will benefit us. So we need to take it slow and see what ideas can come from using it once it gets going. > > Janean > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jim > Burgess > Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 12:12 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] We have a golden opportunity to build a > lastinglegacy for Northern Neck Families. > > Dear Northern Neck Genealogist, > > > > Just a few suggestions on how to improve our group. > > > > C. With all of the members of the list I would like to suggest that we > assign different people to take one or two of our families names and be > responsible for that family name. Every one would send that person > information on a family name. That family representative would be > responsible to organize that a family and add the documentation to > that family. > > > > D. The family representative would organize that family and add > documentation to a family and would work with other cousins or interested > members of the list off line. When the group felt that they had the family > in really good shape the family representative would send in the > family to Craig so that their family could be posted. > > > > E. I have a lot of information on the Conway family, but have seen a > million email come through so that my old mind is boggeled by the > number of comments. > > > > F. Craig or some one or the group could set the standards on how to > set up a particular family. > > > > G. We could settle disputes off line in a friendly manner. > > > > H. We should post books, sources, wills, marriages, birth, death, etc > etc. > > > > Face book is going to give us some wonder opportunities in this area. If > we are organized from the start we could build a wonderful data base > on our Northern Neck families. > > > > How many members do we have on our list? > > > > I picked the Downing family because several of my surnames appear in > the family - Downing, Smith, Hudnall, Cottrell, Cockrill, Nutt, Blackwell etc. > > > > Thanks > > Jim Burgess > > [email protected] > > www.virginiasurnames.com > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Janean, Some of what you point out may be true, but the other side of the coin is that a lot of good research is on Ancestry, AND it has a good suite of tools that are integrated with teh trees to let you find records and attach them to your trees; add pictures of people and/or tombstones, etc. and add in writen documents expaining what you've done and why. Of course there are some who just mine the info and have no idea if it's right or wrong. But we can't stop that. What we can do, is put up well documented info - in other words: rather than duck or hide from the issues, go on the offensive and post to the best of our ability. As a group, we would be open to peer review, and could correct (and document) the info, just as has been happening on this list. Let this group be part of the solution. Jim Bartlett On 09/23/11, Janean Ray<[email protected]> wrote: I'm a little suspicious of why anyone would want to upload their entire database to places like ancestry and say world connect.... Nothing is EVER fully proven and therefore subject to just continually passing along wrong information. I have had people take my information and upload it to World Connect and at this very minute my LIVING mother is listed on there. I have seen hoards of my information on there that someone got a hold of very early on in my research and put it on World Connect and its totally now wrong. Ancesty I've heard then OWNS your information and people have tried to remove it or make corrections and can't... I don't know the details because it didn't involve me but I've also seen people who "collect" names and families..... And don't care where they get the information. 20+ thousand people in a database seems a little suspicious to me. I've seen that on World Connect and I've gone into people's pages...... And somehow always seem to find my family attached to them. Janean

Here is one idea if anyone is bold enough to try it. Not more than a month ago, George Durman of Kentucky posted his entire database of over 25,000 people on ancestry.com. The catch is that it is a private database. This mainly involved Germanna descendants. He issued invitations to the site to anyone who asked. He also made them co-administrators. One does NOT have to be a subscriber to ancestry.com to go in and see it, or to make edits. And one is allowed it at the invitation of George Durman. But he has thrown open the doors. It's been a very interesting experience so far, and is working fairly well. The web site interface itself is not exactly intuitive, and we've all been going through a learning curve. But, nobody is "assigned" a task and can work on anything they want. You can upload documents and photos. You can create source citations. This was announced and mainly is monitored, so to speak, through two rootsweb lists. One is asked to please report to those lists any changes you have made, or uploads you have done, and why. George says there have been a few people he had to change from administrator to contributor, and one person he had to just outright block, but other than that it has really gone much more smoothly than I would have predicted. My NN database is only about 1500 people and not large enough to even try this. It would take something on the scale of George's work....which he quite honestly--and quite correctly--said at the beginning that he knew it had many, many, many mistakes. As clunky as this site is, it is a 100% improvement of the totally user-unfriendly site at werelate.com I suspect it would need to be imported from an FTM file and no other genie program for best results. Craig On Sep 23, 2011, at 3:44 PM, Janean Ray wrote: > I'm sure there is a good idea here somewhere but although I love genealogy > and could talk about my families endlessly... And have.... Lol, I don't want > "assigned" a family to handle. I too have just as many as you do, Northern > Neck families I'm sure considering I'm a Chinn, Ball, Tarpley, Travers, > Glascock, Dew, Sydnor, Atherold, Payne, Mitchell....... Etc. etc. etc. and > that is just one region and only one part of my father's family... There is > no way possible I would want to be responsible for then some possible 40 or > more people on this list who might be related to say the Chinn family giving > me all their info....... I can't find time enough to do just what I need to > do personally. Sorry but that is a huge thing to ask of people. I have a > full time job and don't often get on line when I get home from work.. I'd > never be able to keep up and wouldn't want to let the members of this list > down, nor would I ever have time to do any other genealogy on my own. I > don't even have my own stuff at home organized or all of it documented yet > on my database. Sorry but that idea can't possibly fly. Besides as > indicated previously, some members of the list are not subscribed to > facebook and will not be planning on joining therefore considering we've > already had a suggestion to not discuss family lines on FB because some > people won't subscribe and therefore miss good information which needs to be > left to the list..... Those same people will not then be privy to all the > family information, documents etc. I'm not exactly sure yet how facebook > will benefit us. So we need to take it slow and see what ideas can come > from using it once it gets going. > > Janean > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jim Burgess > Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 12:12 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] We have a golden opportunity to build a > lastinglegacy for Northern Neck Families. > > Dear Northern Neck Genealogist, > > > > Just a few suggestions on how to improve our group. > > > > C. With all of the members of the list I would like to suggest that we > assign different people to take one or two of our families names and be > responsible for that family name. Every one would send that person > information on a family name. That family representative would be > responsible to organize that a family and add the documentation to that > family. > > > > D. The family representative would organize that family and add > documentation to a family and would work with other cousins or interested > members of the list off line. When the group felt that they had the family > in really good shape the family representative would send in the family to > Craig so that their family could be posted. > > > > E. I have a lot of information on the Conway family, but have seen a > million email come through so that my old mind is boggeled by the number of > comments. > > > > F. Craig or some one or the group could set the standards on how to > set up a particular family. > > > > G. We could settle disputes off line in a friendly manner. > > > > H. We should post books, sources, wills, marriages, birth, death, etc > etc. > > > > Face book is going to give us some wonder opportunities in this area. If > we are organized from the start we could build a wonderful data base on our > Northern Neck families. > > > > How many members do we have on our list? > > > > I picked the Downing family because several of my surnames appear in the > family - Downing, Smith, Hudnall, Cottrell, Cockrill, Nutt, Blackwell etc. > > > > Thanks > > Jim Burgess > > [email protected] > > www.virginiasurnames.com > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I agree. We use Ancestry as clues and some tines great documents and photos -----Original Message----- From: Jim Bartlett <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 3:06 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] We have a golden opportunity to build alastinglegacy for Northern Neck Families. Janean, Some of what you point out may be true, but the other side of the coin is that a lot of good research is on Ancestry, AND it has a good suite of tools that are integrated with teh trees to let you find records and attach them to your trees; add pictures of people and/or tombstones, etc. and add in writen documents expaining what you've done and why. Of course there are some who just mine the info and have no idea if it's right or wrong. But we can't stop that. What we can do, is put up well documented info - in other words: rather than duck or hide from the issues, go on the offensive and post to the best of our ability. As a group, we would be open to peer review, and could correct (and document) the info, just as has been happening on this list. Let this group be part of the solution. Jim Bartlett On 09/23/11, Janean Ray<[email protected]> wrote: I'm a little suspicious of why anyone would want to upload their entire database to places like ancestry and say world connect.... Nothing is EVER fully proven and therefore subject to just continually passing along wrong information. I have had people take my information and upload it to World Connect and at this very minute my LIVING mother is listed on there. I have seen hoards of my information on there that someone got a hold of very early on in my research and put it on World Connect and its totally now wrong. Ancesty I've heard then OWNS your information and people have tried to remove it or make corrections and can't... I don't know the details because it didn't involve me but I've also seen people who "collect" names and families..... And don't care where they get the information. 20+ thousand people in a database seems a little suspicious to me. I've seen that on World Connect and I've gone into people's pages...... And somehow always seem to find my family attached to them. Janean ------------------------------- [The entire original message is not included]

I'm sure there is a good idea here somewhere but although I love genealogy and could talk about my families endlessly... And have.... Lol, I don't want "assigned" a family to handle. I too have just as many as you do, Northern Neck families I'm sure considering I'm a Chinn, Ball, Tarpley, Travers, Glascock, Dew, Sydnor, Atherold, Payne, Mitchell....... Etc. etc. etc. and that is just one region and only one part of my father's family... There is no way possible I would want to be responsible for then some possible 40 or more people on this list who might be related to say the Chinn family giving me all their info....... I can't find time enough to do just what I need to do personally. Sorry but that is a huge thing to ask of people. I have a full time job and don't often get on line when I get home from work.. I'd never be able to keep up and wouldn't want to let the members of this list down, nor would I ever have time to do any other genealogy on my own. I don't even have my own stuff at home organized or all of it documented yet on my database. Sorry but that idea can't possibly fly. Besides as indicated previously, some members of the list are not subscribed to facebook and will not be planning on joining therefore considering we've already had a suggestion to not discuss family lines on FB because some people won't subscribe and therefore miss good information which needs to be left to the list..... Those same people will not then be privy to all the family information, documents etc. I'm not exactly sure yet how facebook will benefit us. So we need to take it slow and see what ideas can come from using it once it gets going. Janean -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jim Burgess Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 12:12 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] We have a golden opportunity to build a lastinglegacy for Northern Neck Families. Dear Northern Neck Genealogist, Just a few suggestions on how to improve our group. C. With all of the members of the list I would like to suggest that we assign different people to take one or two of our families names and be responsible for that family name. Every one would send that person information on a family name. That family representative would be responsible to organize that a family and add the documentation to that family. D. The family representative would organize that family and add documentation to a family and would work with other cousins or interested members of the list off line. When the group felt that they had the family in really good shape the family representative would send in the family to Craig so that their family could be posted. E. I have a lot of information on the Conway family, but have seen a million email come through so that my old mind is boggeled by the number of comments. F. Craig or some one or the group could set the standards on how to set up a particular family. G. We could settle disputes off line in a friendly manner. H. We should post books, sources, wills, marriages, birth, death, etc etc. Face book is going to give us some wonder opportunities in this area. If we are organized from the start we could build a wonderful data base on our Northern Neck families. How many members do we have on our list? I picked the Downing family because several of my surnames appear in the family - Downing, Smith, Hudnall, Cottrell, Cockrill, Nutt, Blackwell etc. Thanks Jim Burgess [email protected] www.virginiasurnames.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I really like Craig's idea: an Ancestry.com tree of "Northern Neck Families". There are a number of other geographic based trees on Ancestry with many family lines in them. This would allow folks from this list as well as the FB list to independently add/correct trees at one place, and to add records, pictures, stories, research notes, etc to the pages for each person. A well though out research paper on some of the sticky issues would go a long way toward getting substantial buyin. With folks who are willing to add to the tree based on their own abilities and time, it would grow over time and the work would be spread around. A GREAT idea! On my Ancestry account, I have created 20 or so RAGK trees to help folks - then I invite them in as editors and they can add whatever they want. It has worked out very well. Folks that don't have an Ancestry account, are not allow to research form the Ancestry trees, but they can edit and add to them - there is a little learning curve, but it's fairly easy to pick it up. Jim Bartlett On 09/23/11, Craig Kilby<[email protected]> wrote: Here is one idea if anyone is bold enough to try it. Not more than a month ago, George Durman of Kentucky posted his entire database of over 25,000 people on ancestry.com. The catch is that it is a private database. This mainly involved Germanna descendants. He issued invitations to the site to anyone who asked. He also made them co-administrators. One does NOT have to be a subscriber to ancestry.com to go in and see it, or to make edits. And one is allowed it at the invitation of George Durman. But he has thrown open the doors. It's been a very interesting experience so far, and is working fairly well. The web site interface itself is not exactly intuitive, and we've all been going through a learning curve. But, nobody is "assigned" a task and can work on anything they want. You can upload documents and photos. You can create source citations. This was announced and mainly is monitored, so to speak, through two rootsweb lists. One is asked to please report to those lists any changes you have made, or uploads you have done, and why. George says there have been a few people he had to change from administrator to contributor, and one person he had to just outright block, but other than that it has really gone much more smoothly than I would have predicted. My NN database is only about 1500 people and not large enough to even try this. It would take something on the scale of George's work....which he quite honestly--and quite correctly--said at the beginning that he knew it had many, many, many mistakes. As clunky as this site is, it is a 100% improvement of the totally user-unfriendly site at werelate.com I suspect it would need to be imported from an FTM file and no other genie program for best results. Craig On Sep 23, 2011, at 3:44 PM, Janean Ray wrote: > I'm sure there is a good idea here somewhere but although I love genealogy > and could talk about my families endlessly... And have.... Lol, I don't want > "assigned" a family to handle. I too have just as many as you do, Northern > Neck families I'm sure considering I'm a Chinn, Ball, Tarpley, Travers, > Glascock, Dew, Sydnor, Atherold, Payne, Mitchell....... Etc. etc. etc. and > that is just one region and only one part of my father's family... There is > no way possible I would want to be responsible for then some possible 40 or > more people on this list who might be related to say the Chinn family giving > me all their info....... I can't find time enough to do just what I need to > do personally. Sorry but that is a huge thing to ask of people. I have a > full time job and don't often get on line when I get home from work.. I'd > never be able to keep up and wouldn't want to let the members of this list > down, nor would I ever have time to do any other genealogy on my own. I > don't even have my own stuff at home organized or all of it documented yet > on my database. Sorry but that idea can't possibly fly. Besides as > indicated previously, some members of the list are not subscribed to > facebook and will not be planning on joining therefore considering we've > already had a suggestion to not discuss family lines on FB because some > people won't subscribe and therefore miss good information which needs to be > left to the list..... Those same people will not then be privy to all the > family information, documents etc. I'm not exactly sure yet how facebook > will benefit us. So we need to take it slow and see what ideas can come > from using it once it gets going. > > Janean > > -----Original Message----- > From: va-n[1][email protected] > [[2]mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jim Burgess > Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 12:12 AM > To: [3][email protected] > Subject: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] We have a golden opportunity to build a > lastinglegacy for Northern Neck Families. > > Dear Northern Neck Genealogist, > > > > Just a few suggestions on how to improve our group. > > > > C. With all of the members of the list I would like to suggest that we > assign different people to take one or two of our families names and be > responsible for that family name. Every one would send that person > information on a family name. That family representative would be > responsible to organize that a family and add the documentation to that > family. > > > > D. The family representative would organize that family and add > documentation to a family and would work with other cousins or interested > members of the list off line. When the group felt that they had the family > in really good shape the family representative would send in the family to > Craig so that their family could be posted. > > > > E. I have a lot of information on the Conway family, but have seen a > million email come through so that my old mind is boggeled by the number of > comments. > > > > F. Craig or some one or the group could set the standards on how to > set up a particular family. > > > > G. We could settle disputes off line in a friendly manner. > > > > H. We should post books, sources, wills, marriages, birth, death, etc > etc. > > > > Face book is going to give us some wonder opportunities in this area. If > we are organized from the start we could build a wonderful data base on our > Northern Neck families. > > > > How many members do we have on our list? > > > > I picked the Downing family because several of my surnames appear in the > family - Downing, Smith, Hudnall, Cottrell, Cockrill, Nutt, Blackwell etc. > > > > Thanks > > Jim Burgess > > [4][email protected] > > [5]www.virginiasurnames.com > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VA-N[6][email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-N[7][email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-N[8][email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message References 1. mailto:[email protected] 2. mailto:[email protected] 3. mailto:[email protected] 4. mailto:[email protected] 5. http://www.virginiasurnames.com/ 6. mailto:[email protected] 7. mailto:[email protected] 8. mailto:[email protected]

Family Finder DNA testing could be a boon to NN researchers - this test reports back cousins who have taken this test who descend from any/all of your ancestors - it analyzes the DNA you get from all of your ancestors and compares it with other folks' tests and determines when two people share a significant amount of DNA to have a strong likelyhood of descending from the same ancestor. It is up to the two folks who match to compare their trees to find the common ancestor, but the DNA gives a strong clue that a common ancestor exists. Every month a new batch of matches come in. Over the past year I have been developing/honing a method to most easily/efficiently share information for the first pass. The method I use is an extension of the alphabetical surname list - it include info on the Patriarchs which, hopefully, will make a match immediately recognizable. Here is my list, trimmed to only include known NN families: BARKLEY, William b c1739 VA; RevWar in Fauquier Co, VA; then some to Scott Co, KY BARTLETT, Thomas b c1705; in Richmond Co, VA 1720-on; BRANCH, Christopher I 1598-1681; Christopher II, Christopher III; Obedience ?-1774 m Wm CHEATHAM CAMMOCK, Mary m c1700 Francis STERNE b 1638 England, d 1713 Richmond Co, VA CARROLL, Daniel of Westmoreland Co, VA, son Dempsey 1711-1776 Fauquier Co, VA; to (W)VA, OH, KY DICKERSON, Thomas C 1690s-1734 Essex Co, VA; Hanover Co, VA early 1700s DOWNING, Capt William, prominent in early 1700s in Northumberland Co, VA; dau Sarah m David SPENCE GRAVES, Thomas b 1580 d 1635 Northumberland Co, VA; descendants of Essex Co, VA HARRIS, Capt Thomas b c1586 Essex Co, England d 1649 VA; came to Virginia HATHAWAY, William b 1636, descendants in Lancaster Co, VA 1600s-on; RevWar in Fauquier Co, VA HAWKINS, John b 1680 England; d 1740 Essex Co, VA; descendants in Richmond Co, VA early 1700s LAWSON, Roland b 1617 England; to VA 1633; four generations Lancaster Co, VA thru 1700s: Eppa; Henry LIGON, Thomas to William to Thomas to Elizabeth 1701-1780 (m James ANDERSON; lived Amelia Co, VA) SANFORD, John Sr â Westmoreland Co, VA 1600s to Fairfax Co, VA SPENCE, David d 1726 Northumberland Co, VA â Westmoreland Co, VA 1600s STEPHENS, Robert d 1771 Fauquier â RevWar in Fauquier Co, VA; then to KY TIMBERLAKE, Francis b 1687 England; d 1727 Middlesex Co, VA â Northumberland Co, VA 1600s; WELCH, John to Sylvester â Westmoreland Co, VA 1600s; RevWar in Fauquier Co, VA WILLIS, William 1690-1716; dau Sarah b 1700 Richmond Co, VA My complete ancestors-only tree, with more detail, is updated regularly at Ancestry: JVB Ancestors for DNA - [1]http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/20620230/family?fpid=970810920 Look at FAQs at [2]www.familytreedna.com for more detail than you probably want on Family Finder DNA. Combining reports on Family Finder DNA cousins with some of Jim Burgess's suggestions could really advance the documentation of NN families. Jim Bartlett On 09/23/11, Jim Burgess<[email protected]> wrote: Dear Northern Neck Genealogist, Just a few suggestions on how to improve our group. A. If members of this list are like me they are descendants from several Northern Neck Families Here are most of my family Northern Neck Families - Cockrill, Anderson, Prou, Travis, Turner, Shippey, Minter, Rogers, Rosser, Neavil, Thornton, Aylett, Talifaferro, Burgess, Buckner, Price Fewell, Whiteman, Shumate, James, Rowley, Partridge, Waugh, Crosby, Blackwell, Conyers, Matthews, Steptoe, Stephen, Eustace, Jauncey, Lee, Kendall, Heath, Glascock, Fauntleroy, Conway, Ellis (2), Stone, Robinson, Muttone, Armistead, Ball (3), Romney, Atherold, Bowater, Owen, Ellis, Buckner, Nichols, Smoot, Goodrich, Champ, Campbell, Bradley, Cossens, Baker, Hancock, Johnson (3), Nelson, Juet, Taylor, Post, Smith (3), Mott, Hamilton, Gillargre, Hamilton, Fielding, Doniphan, Mott, Pigg, Crosby, Bailey, Walker, Jeffries, Carr, Eskridge, Osborne, Owens, Strator, Lnu, Beverly,Robinson (2) Pritchard, Tooke, Muse, Bohannon, Thoresby, Crackplace, Ferrers, Ironmonger, Peasley, Aylett, Taylor (2), Presley, Thornton, Rowland, Savage, Mottrom, Griffen, Catlett, Grymes, Underwood, Newby, Tomlin and several other. I realize that some of these families may not all be Northern Neck Families. I have never made this list before. Looks like there are about 100 families. No wonder I love this list so much. ... Thanks Jim Burgess [3][email protected] [4]www.virginiasurnames.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-N[5][email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message References 1. http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/20620230/family?fpid=970810920 2. http://www.familytreedna.com/ 3. mailto:[email protected] 4. http://www.virginiasurnames.com/ 5. mailto:[email protected]

Jim the problem with that is...... Everyone would be wanting to post their family information and whose to say which one is accurate. I mean sometimes we can't even agree on HERE which source is more accurate. Some people will be steadfast on one source that another person will claim is old and inaccurate. I agree with you about more current lines where we ourselves have gathered the documents but what about for example what Craig is working on now....... There are tons of sources for the BALL lines but it's the people who are confused and he is trying to straighten that out. We're always going to have that mess and then someone will say noooo that's wrong... Here's what I have. Can we? - will we? - ever truly have all the facts? I think your idea has major potential though. Janean -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jim Burgess Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 1:20 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Great job - One place to post families -Downing Family? Craig, You are doing a great job! I really enjoy the list. My biggest wish would be that we could have a site where we could list information on a family that is complete and accurate. If we could post a family information (family group sheet or similar) with the information and documentation with the family. That would be wonderful. If we could post the original documents with the family information that would be a real plus. This would keep down the duplication of posting and have given members of the list one place to check out All of the families in the Northern Neck. I know that is a lot of work, but in the long run it would make everyone's efforts much more valuable. Hope that makes sense. Thanks Jim Burgess www.virginiasurnames.com PS - Do we have any one who is working on the Downing family? I sent a posting in a week or so ago. Only one or two responses. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Craig Kilby Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 8:47 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Our Group on Facebook Jim, I thought it WAS a group. I did create it from own page using "create group", however. If I've done this wrong, please tell me how to correct it. Craig On Sep 20, 2011, at 1:35 PM, Jim Burgess wrote: > You may want to make a Northern Neck Group rather than a personal page. > Just a suggestion. > Jim Burgess > > > http://www.facebook.com/groups/278272062202180/ > > Let me know your thoughts on it. If the reaction is favorable, I will keep > it going. If the reaction is negative, I'll take it down. I only ask > that we > give it a month to see what happens with it before we pass final judgment. > Underline the word FINAL. > > Craig > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Craig.   I really do hope this lead pans out.  You never know where these clues lead!       From: Craig Kilby <[email protected]> To: DAVID BROWN <[email protected]>; [email protected] Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 10:34 PM Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] BERRY FAMILY of WESTMORELAND David, Thank you--AGAIN!  This will be most interesting to see how it pans out. They will have to build a statue in your honor at the Germanna Foundation if this all pans out. John & Jemima had 11 children named in his will. One of them -- Juriah -- married Adam Yager, Jr. and had 10 chlldren. But, I'm getting off topic here. I will contact Mr. Jones tomorrow. Thanks for the lead. Craig On Sep 22, 2011, at 10:25 PM, DAVID BROWN wrote: > Craig, > > No problem at all.  It helped with Jemima being a somewhat unique name as I don't think I would have found this record if her name was Mary or Elizabeth :) > > Also, if you want to expedite things, you could contact the Craven County Library (Victor Jones) as he may be able to look up that record for you.  I've talked to Victor Jones a few times, and he has always been willing to help me out on Rice/Carruthers family questions.  Here is their website: > > http://newbern.cpclib.org/research/index.html > > > David > > > > ________________________________ > From: Craig Kilby <[email protected]> > To: Northern Neck Northern Neck List <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 8:52 PM > Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] BERRY FAMILY of WESTMORELAND > > David, > > Agreed. It's a GREAT lead. I will be in NC for several weeks either at the end of October of first part of November. I will be helping a cousin set up her incredible new library outside of Chapel Hill . More on all that later--it isn't really all gelled yet.  This definitely goes on the "to do" list.  In the meantime, if I can find the time, I will be working on BERRY records in the Northern Neck. The main group was in Westmoreland County. > > How on earth you dug up an 11-year old email is beyond me, but THANK YOU for sending it. I am used to people moving from Virginia to North Carolina, but not the other way around. On the other hand, I only recently learned that Claud Vallott aka Champagne moved to Virginia from New Jersey in the 1600s. Never would have thought of looking for him there either. > > I think a big lesson here, and Fred Duncan made an excellent point today, is to really look at other colonies. If they show up out of nowhere, and or end up disappearing into nowhere, you can be pretty sure there is a reason why. > > Craig > > > On Sep 22, 2011, at 6:48 PM, DAVID BROWN wrote: > >> >> >> Craig, >> >> Glad this was helpful and hope it yields more good news for you.  It will be interesting to review the original record and see if the surname really was Marr. >> >> Fwiw,  the Clerk of Court in the Craven County (from the record) was Christopher Neale, who I am sure is related to the Northern Neck Neale family. >> >> Also, my Carruthers family that stems from William Carruthers who died in Westmoreland Co., VA c.1705 ended up (eventually) in Craven Co., NC as well. >> >> Thanks. >> >> David >> >> >> Craig > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

David, Thank you--AGAIN! This will be most interesting to see how it pans out. They will have to build a statue in your honor at the Germanna Foundation if this all pans out. John & Jemima had 11 children named in his will. One of them -- Juriah -- married Adam Yager, Jr. and had 10 chlldren. But, I'm getting off topic here. I will contact Mr. Jones tomorrow. Thanks for the lead. Craig On Sep 22, 2011, at 10:25 PM, DAVID BROWN wrote: > Craig, > > No problem at all. It helped with Jemima being a somewhat unique name as I don't think I would have found this record if her name was Mary or Elizabeth :) > > Also, if you want to expedite things, you could contact the Craven County Library (Victor Jones) as he may be able to look up that record for you. I've talked to Victor Jones a few times, and he has always been willing to help me out on Rice/Carruthers family questions. Here is their website: > > http://newbern.cpclib.org/research/index.html > > > David > > > > ________________________________ > From: Craig Kilby <[email protected]> > To: Northern Neck Northern Neck List <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 8:52 PM > Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] BERRY FAMILY of WESTMORELAND > > David, > > Agreed. It's a GREAT lead. I will be in NC for several weeks either at the end of October of first part of November. I will be helping a cousin set up her incredible new library outside of Chapel Hill . More on all that later--it isn't really all gelled yet. This definitely goes on the "to do" list. In the meantime, if I can find the time, I will be working on BERRY records in the Northern Neck. The main group was in Westmoreland County. > > How on earth you dug up an 11-year old email is beyond me, but THANK YOU for sending it. I am used to people moving from Virginia to North Carolina, but not the other way around. On the other hand, I only recently learned that Claud Vallott aka Champagne moved to Virginia from New Jersey in the 1600s. Never would have thought of looking for him there either. > > I think a big lesson here, and Fred Duncan made an excellent point today, is to really look at other colonies. If they show up out of nowhere, and or end up disappearing into nowhere, you can be pretty sure there is a reason why. > > Craig > > > On Sep 22, 2011, at 6:48 PM, DAVID BROWN wrote: > >> >> >> Craig, >> >> Glad this was helpful and hope it yields more good news for you. It will be interesting to review the original record and see if the surname really was Marr. >> >> Fwiw, the Clerk of Court in the Craven County (from the record) was Christopher Neale, who I am sure is related to the Northern Neck Neale family. >> >> Also, my Carruthers family that stems from William Carruthers who died in Westmoreland Co., VA c.1705 ended up (eventually) in Craven Co., NC as well. >> >> Thanks. >> >> David >> >> >> Craig > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

David, Agreed. It's a GREAT lead. I will be in NC for several weeks either at the end of October of first part of November. I will be helping a cousin set up her incredible new library outside of Chapel Hill . More on all that later--it isn't really all gelled yet. This definitely goes on the "to do" list. In the meantime, if I can find the time, I will be working on BERRY records in the Northern Neck. The main group was in Westmoreland County. How on earth you dug up an 11-year old email is beyond me, but THANK YOU for sending it. I am used to people moving from Virginia to North Carolina, but not the other way around. On the other hand, I only recently learned that Claud Vallott aka Champagne moved to Virginia from New Jersey in the 1600s. Never would have thought of looking for him there either. I think a big lesson here, and Fred Duncan made an excellent point today, is to really look at other colonies. If they show up out of nowhere, and or end up disappearing into nowhere, you can be pretty sure there is a reason why. Craig On Sep 22, 2011, at 6:48 PM, DAVID BROWN wrote: > > > Craig, > > Glad this was helpful and hope it yields more good news for you. It will be interesting to review the original record and see if the surname really was Marr. > > Fwiw, the Clerk of Court in the Craven County (from the record) was Christopher Neale, who I am sure is related to the Northern Neck Neale family. > > Also, my Carruthers family that stems from William Carruthers who died in Westmoreland Co., VA c.1705 ended up (eventually) in Craven Co., NC as well. > > Thanks. > > David > > > Craig

Dear Northern Neck Genealogist, Just a few suggestions on how to improve our group. A. If members of this list are like me they are descendants from several Northern Neck Families Here are most of my family Northern Neck Families - Cockrill, Anderson, Prou, Travis, Turner, Shippey, Minter, Rogers, Rosser, Neavil, Thornton, Aylett, Talifaferro, Burgess, Buckner, Price Fewell, Whiteman, Shumate, James, Rowley, Partridge, Waugh, Crosby, Blackwell, Conyers, Matthews, Steptoe, Stephen, Eustace, Jauncey, Lee, Kendall, Heath, Glascock, Fauntleroy, Conway, Ellis (2), Stone, Robinson, Muttone, Armistead, Ball (3), Romney, Atherold, Bowater, Owen, Ellis, Buckner, Nichols, Smoot, Goodrich, Champ, Campbell, Bradley, Cossens, Baker, Hancock, Johnson (3), Nelson, Juet, Taylor, Post, Smith (3), Mott, Hamilton, Gillargre, Hamilton, Fielding, Doniphan, Mott, Pigg, Crosby, Bailey, Walker, Jeffries, Carr, Eskridge, Osborne, Owens, Strator, Lnu, Beverly,Robinson (2) Pritchard, Tooke, Muse, Bohannon, Thoresby, Crackplace, Ferrers, Ironmonger, Peasley, Aylett, Taylor (2), Presley, Thornton, Rowland, Savage, Mottrom, Griffen, Catlett, Grymes, Underwood, Newby, Tomlin and several other. I realize that some of these families may not all be Northern Neck Families. I have never made this list before. Looks like there are about 100 families. No wonder I love this list so much. B. On our Fauquier County, Virginia list we sometimes ask for a roll call. That is not my purpose here. C. With all of the members of the list I would like to suggest that we assign different people to take one or two of our families names and be responsible for that family name. Every one would send that person information on a family name. That family representative would be responsible to organize that a family and add the documentation to that family. D. The family representative would organize that family and add documentation to a family and would work with other cousins or interested members of the list off line. When the group felt that they had the family in really good shape the family representative would send in the family to Craig so that their family could be posted. E. I have a lot of information on the Conway family, but have seen a million email come through so that my old mind is boggeled by the number of comments. F. Craig or some one or the group could set the standards on how to set up a particular family. G. We could settle disputes off line in a friendly manner. H. We should post books, sources, wills, marriages, birth, death, etc etc. Face book is going to give us some wonder opportunities in this area. If we are organized from the start we could build a wonderful data base on our Northern Neck families. How many members do we have on our list? I picked the Downing family because several of my surnames appear in the family - Downing, Smith, Hudnall, Cottrell, Cockrill, Nutt, Blackwell etc. Thanks Jim Burgess [email protected] www.virginiasurnames.com

Craig, No problem at all.   It helped with Jemima being a somewhat unique name as I don't think I would have found this record if her name was Mary or Elizabeth :) Also, if you want to expedite things, you could contact the Craven County Library (Victor Jones) as he may be able to look up that record for you.   I've talked to Victor Jones a few times, and he has always been willing to help me out on Rice/Carruthers family questions.   Here is their website: http://newbern.cpclib.org/research/index.html David ________________________________ From: Craig Kilby <[email protected]> To: Northern Neck Northern Neck List <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 8:52 PM Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] BERRY FAMILY of WESTMORELAND David, Agreed. It's a GREAT lead. I will be in NC for several weeks either at the end of October of first part of November. I will be helping a cousin set up her incredible new library outside of Chapel Hill . More on all that later--it isn't really all gelled yet.  This definitely goes on the "to do" list.  In the meantime, if I can find the time, I will be working on BERRY records in the Northern Neck. The main group was in Westmoreland County. How on earth you dug up an 11-year old email is beyond me, but THANK YOU for sending it. I am used to people moving from Virginia to North Carolina, but not the other way around. On the other hand, I only recently learned that Claud Vallott aka Champagne moved to Virginia from New Jersey in the 1600s. Never would have thought of looking for him there either. I think a big lesson here, and Fred Duncan made an excellent point today, is to really look at other colonies. If they show up out of nowhere, and or end up disappearing into nowhere, you can be pretty sure there is a reason why. Craig On Sep 22, 2011, at 6:48 PM, DAVID BROWN wrote: > > > Craig, >  > Glad this was helpful and hope it yields more good news for you.  It will be interesting to review the original record and see if the surname really was Marr. >  > Fwiw,  the Clerk of Court in the Craven County (from the record) was Christopher Neale, who I am sure is related to the Northern Neck Neale family. >  > Also, my Carruthers family that stems from William Carruthers who died in Westmoreland Co., VA c.1705 ended up (eventually) in Craven Co., NC as well. >  > Thanks. >  > David > > > Craig ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jim, One idea might be to use drobox.com for shared files. Somebody would have to administer it. I use dropbox with clients for shared files, or for linking things I want to send out over the internet via and URL link. This may not be the best solution, but for now at least one can upload images to the fb page. But...they won' t be organized in any rational manner, though I confess I am no expert at facebook. I am definitely open to anyone(s) wishing to be a co-administrator(s) of the fb page. There are fifteen people who signed up for the page already. Craig On Sep 22, 2011, at 1:19 PM, Jim Burgess wrote: > Craig, > > You are doing a great job! I really enjoy the list. > > My biggest wish would be that we could have a site where we could list > information on a family that is complete and accurate. If we could post a > family information (family group sheet or similar) with the information and > documentation with the family. That would be wonderful. If we could post > the original documents with the family information that would be a real > plus. > > This would keep down the duplication of posting and have given members of > the list one place to check out All of the families in the Northern Neck. > I know that is a lot of work, but in the long run it would make everyone's > efforts much more valuable. > > Hope that makes sense. > > Thanks > Jim Burgess > www.virginiasurnames.com > > > PS - Do we have any one who is working on the Downing family? I sent a > posting in a week or so ago. Only one or two responses. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Craig Kilby > Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 8:47 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Our Group on Facebook > > Jim, > > I thought it WAS a group. I did create it from own page using "create > group", however. If I've done this wrong, please tell me how to correct it. > > Craig > > On Sep 20, 2011, at 1:35 PM, Jim Burgess wrote: > >> You may want to make a Northern Neck Group rather than a personal page. >> Just a suggestion. >> Jim Burgess >> >> >> http://www.facebook.com/groups/278272062202180/ >> >> Let me know your thoughts on it. If the reaction is favorable, I will > keep >> it going. If the reaction is negative, I'll take it down. I only ask that > we >> give it a month to see what happens with it before we pass final judgment. >> Underline the word FINAL. >> >> Craig >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >