Bob, you bring up an important point, in that "Mrs" as a title for single women is the abbreviation for "Mistress" and in the few times I've seen this it to seems to be on conferred people of some social standing. Craig On Sep 26, 2011, at 9:55 AM, Robert Lumsden wrote: > A daughter might be the Sarah Fleet misidentified as Mrs. With another godmother for another of the Carter children, Ms Lettys Corbyn is named who it turns out was the unmarried Mrs. Henry Lee, interestingly designated Ms.

Hello, This is one of the most vocal groups in genealogy and I thought I should pass on this link, _http://goo.gl/NREby_ (http://goo.gl/NREby) which is Virginia SB 865 - Memorandum to the Genealogical Community. I found it on Dick Eastman's blog this morning. This bill if passed would further restrict researcher's access to Virginia vital records. Thanks, Dawn Kogutkiewicz

Re: Craigs Sept 24 posting:   I upload a GED file generated from an earlier version of Family Tree Maker to the "Free" World Connect site. I don't have a subscription to Ancestry. The later versions of FTM are not user friendly.   it allows users to "post" notes against an individual, but allows me to control my GED file by not allowing others to download it. I also have complete control to remove it.  It currently has 84,000 individuals with approximately 65,000 Southern Maryland individuals who represent the earliest settlers to St. Mary's, Charles, Calvert, Prince George's and Frederick Co. Md.  The balance represent an outline of early NN settlers who held land or appear in Court or Parish records to the 1720's.  Stafford, Prince William & Fairfax go to the Rev War.   This postem method has worked for me for over 12 years and other researchers edits have helped produce a fairly reliable outline for the Potomac and Rappahannock River Valley's.... which includes abstracts and references so others can understand my interpretation of a record.   There is GED software that allows files to be merged and edited but I add folks one by one to aid in the validation process. Trying to merge Jim Burgess and my file together would probably capture most of everyone from the NN up to Fauquier and Culpeper & to a later time period, but the reconciliation and validation of data and multiple marriages with kids would be overwhelming; my GED file alone is 191 megs.   I'd certainly be on board with this, but have a day time job (open to offers)   http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=mrmarsha   mike/database geek (Montreal) You can view World Connect for free.  If you are lucky and patient, you may well find decent information with what we would call sources, or better yet a confession that the author is not sure of a certain listing.  When I see a "tree" with thousands of names, I run. From: Edward White <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] We have a golden opportunity tobuild alastinglegacy for Northern Neck Families.

Thank you Kathleen, This helps very much in eliminating Henry Fleet's wife as the godmother. Do you have a reference for her marriages? Are you aware of children of her son and Elizabeth Wildey? A daughter might be the Sarah Fleet misidentified as Mrs. With another godmother for another of the Carter children, Ms Lettys Corbyn is named who it turns out was the unmarried Mrs. Henry Lee, interestingly designated Ms. I am trying to identify the more than 30 godparents named in the 17th Century list of children and godparents of Thomas and Katharine Dale Carter. Thanks again for your help so far, Bob On Sun, 25 Sep 2011 Kathleen Much wrote Message: 1 Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 07:31:17 -0700 From: Kathleen Much <[email protected]<about:blank>> Subject: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Sarah Fleete To: [email protected]<about:blank> Message-ID: <[email protected]om<about:blank>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sarah Burden m. Henry Fleete, who d. about 1660. She married John Walker bef 2 Oct 1661 and John Stone about 1668. She d. bef 29 Dec 1679. So she couldn't be the godmother in 1676. Her son married Elizabeth Wildey. So I don't know who this Sarah Fleet was. On Sat, Sep 24, 2011Robert Lumsden wrote: > >Capt. Thomas Carter listed his children's names beginning in 1670 and the names of the godparents of the children that were baptized in his Prayer Book now at The Virginia Historical Society in Richmon. I would like to identify the godmother named for Henry Skipwith Carter born in 1676. A Sarah Fleet was married to Henry Fleet then she married John Walker after Henry's death. Could Mrs. Sarah Fleet mentioned in the prayer book be the wife or widow of Henry in 1676. Do you know when she married John Walker? Bob Lumsden. Below is a transcription of the prayer book entry naming her as Henry's godmother. HENRY SKIPWITH CARTER Henry Skipwith 4th sonn Tho: & Kath: Carter bornd of a Wednesdy the 7h June 1676 & was baptzd att Home by Rev Mr Dogette on a SunDay after Service ye 18th Day. Wm Ball _Capn David Fox and Mrs Sarah Fleet standing

No, this isn't a law suit. It's an odd situation and one I hope will be an interesting item for discussion here. I must first preface this with a less withering assault on this source than either Beverley Fleet or John Dorman gave in their abstracts of transcribed Westmoreland County record books. The following both come from the transcribed copy of the now-lost original of Westmoreland County Deeds & Wills No. 3, 1701-1707. The transcript was made in 1852 and both Fleet and Dorman URGE the reader to be very cautious in using it. Here is the case. Joshua HUDSON died in Westmoreland County in 1704, testate. His will was dated 6 JUN 1704 and proved 26 JUL 1704. He names his wife Elizabeth [who was Elizabeth RUSH] and four sons: (1) John, the plantation he now lives on (2) Joshua, 100 acres "I now live on" adjacent Capt. Charles Ashton and William Rust (3) & (4) Caleb and Rush "the remainder part of my land lying between John and Joshua to be equally divided, Caleb having first choice" To wife Elizabeth "all the remainder part of my estate." Wife Elizabeth and son Joshua executors. Witnessed by Jno Lilley, Wm. Ramsey, Hannah Baker First note the language regarding the land does not leave any of the land to "him and his heirs forever" thus creating an entailed estate to (presumably) eldest son John and his heirs. John died in 1708 leaving two daughters Margaret and Mary Hudson. His will names no wife. BUT....that is just one part of it. The will does not name four of his daughters. We learn their identity in a deed of gift to them from one Chapman Dark dated 27 Jan 1704/5. The deed leaves specific personal property to"my loving friends" Sarah Hudson, Ann Hudson, Elizabeth Hudson and Margaret Hudson "daughters of Josh: Hudson late deceased" for love, good will and affection. The deeds specifies that for three of the daughters, the gift was to be theirs when they arrive to age 17. This was witnessed by Caleb Hudson and Cossom Bennett. I can only SURMISE that Chapman Dark was their Godfather but that is merely a guess on my part. I don't know of any familial relationship, at least at this point. If I understand colonial law correctly, the "remainder of my estate" (almost certainly all the personal property) mentioned in Joshua's will which was left to his wife would be divided at her death between all of her children, male and female. So, an interesting case study and does anyone know who Chapman Dark was? Craig

Craig Can you create a GEDcom with one of your software programs? (I thought all programs would do that). If you want to email it to me as an attachment, I can import it into Ancestry. I don't see anyone on the NN list offering their GEDcom. Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! On Sep 24, 2011, at 11:39 PM, Craig Kilby <[email protected]> wrote: > Jim, > > I don't want to start a tree from MBW account, as that would make it "their" problem and not mine, and would also put a stamp of imprimatur on it that they should not be responsible for. That pig won't fly, trust me. > > Even then, I'd have to transfer it from REUNION to FTM (I suppose there might be a way to transfer it directly from REUNION to the ancestry.com site....) See, this is why I need good techies to help figure this out. > > Keep those creative juices flowing! > > Craig > > > > > On Sep 24, 2011, at 11:14 PM, Jim Bartlett wrote: > >> >> Once the Ancestry Tree is established, it'son the Ancestry.com servers - in >> the cloud, if you will. Then anyone who is invited to join, can access it >> from their own PC, including you. Try inviting yourself, as an editor, to >> your tree from your Library account, and see if you then access it and edit >> it from your home account. I believe you need to have an >> Ancestry subscription in order to use their tools and look at their records, >> but an editor can add names, dates, places and attach documents and >> pictures, without a subscription. Please correct me if this is incorrect. >> >> It looks like the next thing to do, is find out who has a large NN tree >> available to use as a base - it could be on Ancestry, or a GEDcom which can >> be uploaded to Ancestry to start a tree. Does anyone out there have a good >> tree to use as a base? >> >> Jim Bartlett: >> >>>

Thanks Billie. ________________________________ From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected]; [email protected] Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 7:05 AM Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] BERRY FAMILY with Doughty, Prince, Fortenberry, Butler, Wentworth, Donohoo, and Poindexter David,  No,  I do not know if this would be the same person.  As I had looked at my sent email I realized I had made a mistake in the original post.  It has to do with Fanny Poindexter and her husband popularly posted as William Aaron Butler (No proof at all of this anywhere that I can find) however this husband whose name I think is most likely Aaron died in 1802 not 1892 as mistakenly written in Wilkes Co, Ga.  His grave seems to be in the same area as a Zachariah Butler, however people of that family in the area say there is no gravestone for a William or an Aaron, however there is a large pile of old gravestones in the cemetery.  Also it was reported that there are many unreadable gravestones also.  Thank you for the info, and I will try to learn more about it.  Billie -----Original Message----- From: DAVID BROWN <[email protected]> To: va-northern-neck <[email protected]> Sent: Sun, Sep 25, 2011 1:00 am Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] BERRY FAMILY with Doughty, Prince, Fortenberry, Butler, Wentworth, Donohoo, and Poindexter Thanks Billie.   Do you know if William Berry who married Margaret Doughty was the same person as "William Barry" listed in the following record: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=mrmarsha&id=I55364 1674-1678 Order Book Northumberland Co Va; Antient Press: Pg 289 Northumberland County Court 21th of June 1677 - ANDW: MORTON's Will proved This day the Last Will and Testament of ANDREW MORTON was proved by ye Oathes of WILLIAM BARRY and ISAAC ESTER, wittnesses to ye Will - Appraysers of MORTON's Estate EZEKIELL GENESIS, JOHN BOWEN and JOHN CHAMPION are appointed to apprayse the Estate of ANDREW MORTON, deced., they being first sworne by the next Justice of the Peace ________________________________ From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] BERRY FAMILY with Doughty, Prince, Fortenberry, Butler, Wentworth, Donohoo, and Poindexter My search on Berry is with Enoch Doughty who married Drubella Bunbury and their daughter Margaret married William Berry.  Enoch was originally from Tauton MA, the son of Francis Doughty and Ann Graves.  William Berry and Margaret have several children, one named Joseph who married Catherine Simcock.  Their child Sarah married John Prince, and child Sarah Prince married William Hannon.  This Hannon family was part of Indian massacre and the children reared by John Earle m to Thomasine Prince. John Prince father of Thomasine was married to Sarah Berry child of Joseph Berry and Catherine Simcock.  Joseph Berry also has child Frances Berry who married married Thomas Dobyns whose gggrandaughter Emily Dobyns b 1832 married Robert Pollard Butler of Franklin MS, son of an Aaron Butler who had married Mary Day or Dew and who died in Amite MS. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

David, No, I do not know if this would be the same person. As I had looked at my sent email I realized I had made a mistake in the original post. It has to do with Fanny Poindexter and her husband popularly posted as William Aaron Butler (No proof at all of this anywhere that I can find) however this husband whose name I think is most likely Aaron died in 1802 not 1892 as mistakenly written in Wilkes Co, Ga. His grave seems to be in the same area as a Zachariah Butler, however people of that family in the area say there is no gravestone for a William or an Aaron, however there is a large pile of old gravestones in the cemetery. Also it was reported that there are many unreadable gravestones also. Thank you for the info, and I will try to learn more about it. Billie -----Original Message----- From: DAVID BROWN <[email protected]> To: va-northern-neck <[email protected]> Sent: Sun, Sep 25, 2011 1:00 am Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] BERRY FAMILY with Doughty, Prince, Fortenberry, Butler, Wentworth, Donohoo, and Poindexter Thanks Billie. Do you know if William Berry who married Margaret Doughty was the same person as "William Barry" listed in the following record: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=mrmarsha&id=I55364 1674-1678 Order Book Northumberland Co Va; Antient Press: Pg 289 Northumberland County Court 21th of June 1677 - ANDW: MORTON's Will proved This day the Last Will and Testament of ANDREW MORTON was proved by ye Oathes of WILLIAM BARRY and ISAAC ESTER, wittnesses to ye Will - Appraysers of MORTON's Estate EZEKIELL GENESIS, JOHN BOWEN and JOHN CHAMPION are appointed to apprayse the Estate of ANDREW MORTON, deced., they being first sworne by the next Justice of the Peace ________________________________ From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] BERRY FAMILY with Doughty, Prince, Fortenberry, Butler, Wentworth, Donohoo, and Poindexter My search on Berry is with Enoch Doughty who married Drubella Bunbury and their daughter Margaret married William Berry. Enoch was originally from Tauton MA, the son of Francis Doughty and Ann Graves. William Berry and Margaret have several children, one named Joseph who married Catherine Simcock. Their child Sarah married John Prince, and child Sarah Prince married William Hannon. This Hannon family was part of Indian massacre and the children reared by John Earle m to Thomasine Prince. John Prince father of Thomasine was married to Sarah Berry child of Joseph Berry and Catherine Simcock. Joseph Berry also has child Frances Berry who married married Thomas Dobyns whose gggrandaughter Emily Dobyns b 1832 married Robert Pollard Butler of Franklin MS, son of an Aaron Butler who had married Mary Day or Dew and who died in Amite MS. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sarah Burden m. Henry Fleete, who d. about 1660. She married John Walker bef 2 Oct 1661 and John Stone about 1668. She d. bef 29 Dec 1679. So she couldn't be the godmother in 1676. Her son married Elizabeth Wildey. So I don't know who this Sarah Fleet was. On Sat, Sep 24, 2011Robert Lumsden wrote: > >Capt. Thomas Carter listed his children's names beginning in 1670 and the names of the godparents of the children that were baptized in his Prayer Book now at The Virginia Historical Society in Richmon. I would like to identify the godmother named for Henry Skipwith Carter born in 1676. A Sarah Fleet was married to Henry Fleet then she married John Walker after Henry's death. Could Mrs. Sarah Fleet mentioned in the prayer book be the wife or widow of Henry in 1676. Do you know when she married John Walker? Bob Lumsden. Below is a transcription of the prayer book entry naming her as Henry's godmother. HENRY SKIPWITH CARTER Henry Skipwith 4th sonn Tho: & Kath: Carter bornd of a Wednesdy the 7h June 1676 & was baptzd att Home by Rev Mr Dogette on a SunDay after Service ye 18th Day. Wm Ball _Capn David Fox and Mrs Sarah Fleet standing

Jim, I don't want to start a tree from MBW account, as that would make it "their" problem and not mine, and would also put a stamp of imprimatur on it that they should not be responsible for. That pig won't fly, trust me. Even then, I'd have to transfer it from REUNION to FTM (I suppose there might be a way to transfer it directly from REUNION to the ancestry.com site....) See, this is why I need good techies to help figure this out. Keep those creative juices flowing! Craig On Sep 24, 2011, at 11:14 PM, Jim Bartlett wrote: > > Once the Ancestry Tree is established, it'son the Ancestry.com servers - in > the cloud, if you will. Then anyone who is invited to join, can access it > from their own PC, including you. Try inviting yourself, as an editor, to > your tree from your Library account, and see if you then access it and edit > it from your home account. I believe you need to have an > Ancestry subscription in order to use their tools and look at their records, > but an editor can add names, dates, places and attach documents and > pictures, without a subscription. Please correct me if this is incorrect. > > It looks like the next thing to do, is find out who has a large NN tree > available to use as a base - it could be on Ancestry, or a GEDcom which can > be uploaded to Ancestry to start a tree. Does anyone out there have a good > tree to use as a base? > > Jim Bartlett > > On 09/24/11, Craig Kilby<[email protected]> wrote: > Comments below > On Sep 24, 2011, at 8:28 AM, Jim Bartlett wrote: >> Craig >> >> I guess I meant one account. If you want to have control and do the > inviting you can start a new tree with any family group and give it a name - > say Northern Neck Descendants and Ancestors - or whatever. Although Ancestry > sets it up so that everything should be linked, as you point out, it's > possible to have disconnected parts. This lets folks work on different > lines, until the links are made. Your list of "lessons" is a very good one. >> >> <<You may also want to adhere to some standards like surnames in CAPS (or > not); standardized dates: 24 Oct 2011 (or some other), so the site has some > consistency to it.>> > I agree. >> >> I'm not sure if two people can work on the same file at the same time, so > it is essential that each editor logs out when done. > This has not come up at any time, so I am pretty sure multiple can be > working on it at the same time. May be a problem if two or more people are > working on the same PERSON at a time, however. I'll add that to my list of > questions for George >> >> You tree may be the one to use as the base. Is there a way to copy, and > rename a tree (without slogging through for each element)? Is there a way to > add a GEDcom to an existing tree - I'm still learning too. I hope we have > some real experts on this list. > My tree would be OK to start with except for two problems. (1) I access > ancestry through our library account. I have my own free account just for > this one tree (2) My data is on a macintosh program called Reunion. When I > have exported a ged com and reloaded it to FTM at the library, none of the > source citations transfer over. The footnote number does, but not the > citation. The notes transfer fine. I'm not sure what other issues it would > involve. I can't stand using FTM anyone. It used to be pretty simple our > version is #9 and I find it quite cumbersome to navigate. But Reunion really > spoils me. It is very well designed and rational. It's only problem is > match/merge which is a bit tricky. >> >> By the way - I can go back on one line to Edward (King), so I am cousin to > Thomas JEFFERSON and his cousin Barack OBAMA. No politics, just blood lines. > LOL! >> >> Jim Bartlett >> >> Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! >> >> On Sep 23, 2011, at 11:17 PM, Craig Kilby <[1][email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Jim, >>> >>> Instead of multiple and different trees, I'd rather we have JUST ONE to > build upon. As I go through this BALL stuff and start adding to it, I am > amazed at how quickly it grows and overlaps and branches out. I was > gobsmacked the other day when I actually connected Thomas Jefferson--yes, > THE Thomas Jefferson--to the Ball tree. It came about due to some research I > was doing on Dr Walter Jones of Northumberland County, a close friend of > Jeffersons. They had gone to William & Mary College together. Jone's > roommate was (can't think of first name) SKELTON, who was the first husband > of Martha Jefferson. Skelton's sister married a brother of Dr. Jones. Jones > had already been connected to the tree because his daughter Elizabeth > married (2) Rawleigh Downman, etc..... (I intend to write more about this > soon. It also carries into the origins of Kinsale, Westmoreland County. I > did not know it was Dr. William Flood, whose daughter Alice was the wife of > Dr. Walter Jones who gave the pl! > a! >> ce! >>> its name...Ed, any ideas on that?) >>> >>> Even my relatively small tree could quickly be grown. >>> >>> I wish I could "SHOW" people how this works on ancestry. It is sort of > like a genealogy program but not with so many whistles and bells. some > things we QUICKLY learned the hard way were (1) Do NOT delete anybody. > Disconnect them, yes, but don't delete them. They probably belong SOMEWHERE; > (2) do not ADD anybody without checking to see if they are already in the > database. They may be in the wrong place but you can fix that with a little > patience and effort and (3) by the same token, check to see if a source has > already been entered so you don't duplicate it. It may not be cited the way > you'd like -- or as it should be -- but you can change that too! >>> > > References > > 1. mailto:[email protected] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Once the Ancestry Tree is established, it'son the Ancestry.com servers - in the cloud, if you will. Then anyone who is invited to join, can access it from their own PC, including you. Try inviting yourself, as an editor, to your tree from your Library account, and see if you then access it and edit it from your home account. I believe you need to have an Ancestry subscription in order to use their tools and look at their records, but an editor can add names, dates, places and attach documents and pictures, without a subscription. Please correct me if this is incorrect. It looks like the next thing to do, is find out who has a large NN tree available to use as a base - it could be on Ancestry, or a GEDcom which can be uploaded to Ancestry to start a tree. Does anyone out there have a good tree to use as a base? Jim Bartlett On 09/24/11, Craig Kilby<[email protected]> wrote: Comments below On Sep 24, 2011, at 8:28 AM, Jim Bartlett wrote: > Craig > > I guess I meant one account. If you want to have control and do the inviting you can start a new tree with any family group and give it a name - say Northern Neck Descendants and Ancestors - or whatever. Although Ancestry sets it up so that everything should be linked, as you point out, it's possible to have disconnected parts. This lets folks work on different lines, until the links are made. Your list of "lessons" is a very good one. > > <<You may also want to adhere to some standards like surnames in CAPS (or not); standardized dates: 24 Oct 2011 (or some other), so the site has some consistency to it.>> I agree. > > I'm not sure if two people can work on the same file at the same time, so it is essential that each editor logs out when done. This has not come up at any time, so I am pretty sure multiple can be working on it at the same time. May be a problem if two or more people are working on the same PERSON at a time, however. I'll add that to my list of questions for George > > You tree may be the one to use as the base. Is there a way to copy, and rename a tree (without slogging through for each element)? Is there a way to add a GEDcom to an existing tree - I'm still learning too. I hope we have some real experts on this list. My tree would be OK to start with except for two problems. (1) I access ancestry through our library account. I have my own free account just for this one tree (2) My data is on a macintosh program called Reunion. When I have exported a ged com and reloaded it to FTM at the library, none of the source citations transfer over. The footnote number does, but not the citation. The notes transfer fine. I'm not sure what other issues it would involve. I can't stand using FTM anyone. It used to be pretty simple our version is #9 and I find it quite cumbersome to navigate. But Reunion really spoils me. It is very well designed and rational. It's only problem is match/merge which is a bit tricky. > > By the way - I can go back on one line to Edward (King), so I am cousin to Thomas JEFFERSON and his cousin Barack OBAMA. No politics, just blood lines. LOL! > > Jim Bartlett > > Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! > > On Sep 23, 2011, at 11:17 PM, Craig Kilby <[1][email protected]> wrote: > >> Jim, >> >> Instead of multiple and different trees, I'd rather we have JUST ONE to build upon. As I go through this BALL stuff and start adding to it, I am amazed at how quickly it grows and overlaps and branches out. I was gobsmacked the other day when I actually connected Thomas Jefferson--yes, THE Thomas Jefferson--to the Ball tree. It came about due to some research I was doing on Dr Walter Jones of Northumberland County, a close friend of Jeffersons. They had gone to William & Mary College together. Jone's roommate was (can't think of first name) SKELTON, who was the first husband of Martha Jefferson. Skelton's sister married a brother of Dr. Jones. Jones had already been connected to the tree because his daughter Elizabeth married (2) Rawleigh Downman, etc..... (I intend to write more about this soon. It also carries into the origins of Kinsale, Westmoreland County. I did not know it was Dr. William Flood, whose daughter Alice was the wife of Dr. Walter Jones who gave the pl! a! > ce! >> its name...Ed, any ideas on that?) >> >> Even my relatively small tree could quickly be grown. >> >> I wish I could "SHOW" people how this works on ancestry. It is sort of like a genealogy program but not with so many whistles and bells. some things we QUICKLY learned the hard way were (1) Do NOT delete anybody. Disconnect them, yes, but don't delete them. They probably belong SOMEWHERE; (2) do not ADD anybody without checking to see if they are already in the database. They may be in the wrong place but you can fix that with a little patience and effort and (3) by the same token, check to see if a source has already been entered so you don't duplicate it. It may not be cited the way you'd like -- or as it should be -- but you can change that too! >> References 1. mailto:[email protected]

Thanks Billie.   Do you know if William Berry who married Margaret Doughty was the same person as "William Barry" listed in the following record: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=mrmarsha&id=I55364 1674-1678 Order Book Northumberland Co Va; Antient Press: Pg 289 Northumberland County Court 21th of June 1677 - ANDW: MORTON's Will proved This day the Last Will and Testament of ANDREW MORTON was proved by ye Oathes of WILLIAM BARRY and ISAAC ESTER, wittnesses to ye Will - Appraysers of MORTON's Estate EZEKIELL GENESIS, JOHN BOWEN and JOHN CHAMPION are appointed to apprayse the Estate of ANDREW MORTON, deced., they being first sworne by the next Justice of the Peace ________________________________ From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] BERRY FAMILY with Doughty, Prince, Fortenberry, Butler, Wentworth, Donohoo, and Poindexter My search on Berry is with Enoch Doughty who married Drubella Bunbury and their daughter Margaret married William Berry.  Enoch was originally from Tauton MA, the son of Francis Doughty and Ann Graves.  William Berry and Margaret have several children, one named Joseph who married Catherine Simcock.  Their child Sarah married John Prince, and child Sarah Prince married William Hannon.  This Hannon family was part of Indian massacre and the children reared by John Earle m to Thomasine Prince. John Prince father of Thomasine was married to Sarah Berry child of Joseph Berry and Catherine Simcock.  Joseph Berry also has child Frances Berry who married married Thomas Dobyns whose gggrandaughter Emily Dobyns b 1832 married Robert Pollard Butler of Franklin MS, son of an Aaron Butler who had married Mary Day or Dew and who died in Amite MS.

I did get a notice and will post relevant links as I come across them or moving forward as they show up on the list. I will also look into the list-to-fb-page automation. Thanks! Anne On Sep 23, 2011, at 8:27 PM, Craig Kilby wrote: > Anne, GREAT! > > I"I've already set you up as a co-admin (didn't you get a notice?), > and have asked Jim Burgess to also be a co-admin. Haven't heard back > from him yet on that. > > Now, changing topics. I'd like to tap Mike Marshall on the IDEA of > his being our guinea pig on throwing up his vast database onto the > type of ancestry.com tree I was talking about. > > I know he already has it on ancestry, but it is not a shared > project. I'd don't know if he'd be open to this or not. Either way, > Mike you should send out a link to it both here and on the new fb > page. > > The reason I think of Mike Marshall is that (1) I have met him > personally and think quite highly of him (2) he is somewhat of a > name collector and his database probably includes almost anyone we > can think of in the Northern Neck and (3) could probably be a great > project for correcting things. > > By which I mean by all of this, it is the _perfect_candidate. I > don't know if he'd be willing to do this, however. It would not mean > he'd give up his other site, or even have to make any changes to it. > > Just a one-man brainstorm. Mike, what do you think? > > Jim Burgess, your data base might be a good guinea pig too. My NN > list is just too small. Further, when I first created it, it was for > a completely different reason than a "real" database--it was for a > chart. As a result, I have scads of duplicate people who need to be > merged and connected into the right families. I'm working on that, > but I'd just as soon not start with something that disastrous. > > Craig > > > On Sep 23, 2011, at 7:27 PM, Anne P. Johnson wrote: > >> Craig - >> >> Glad to help. I have little to offer to the group in the way of >> research i have done, and spend much of my time lurking in case my >> one >> Stafford Co. family is mentioned. (And Stafford itself is rarely >> mentioned.) It will make me feel as if I am contributing. >> >> Just let me know when you set me up as an admin and I will start >> posting relevant material (mostly links to sites and articles). >> >> Thanks, >> Anne >> On Sep 23, 2011, at 5:45 PM, Craig Kilby wrote: >> >>> Anne, >>> >>> I've taken you up on your offer to be a co-admin of the new fb page. >>> You seem to be a lot more savvy at this than I. And you have much >>> better ideas! >>> >>> As of now, there are 18 members on the fb page. There are roughly >>> 170 members on the rootsweb list. So, I doubt it will really be a >>> huge group of people there. The advantage, as you say, is that it >>> may be a whole lot easier for new people to find us on fb than on >>> rootsweb, which is complicated. That way, we can direct them to the >>> discussion board. >>> >>> Craig >>> >>> On Sep 23, 2011, at 4:24 PM, Anne P. Johnson wrote: >>> >>>> Dear List: >>>> >>>> This is a good example of something that could be posted on FB: A >>>> short explanation of DNA testing, along with a link to a testing >>>> company's website. And think how much more possible DNA you are >>>> reaching with that link. >>>> >>>> Another link you could add is Jim's website - >>>> www.virginiasurnames.com >>>> >>>> These all might drive traffic to your NN list, or add to the >>>> available >>>> data on these families. >>>> >>>> Anne >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] >>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >>> the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Comments below On Sep 24, 2011, at 8:28 AM, Jim Bartlett wrote: > Craig > > I guess I meant one account. If you want to have control and do the inviting you can start a new tree with any family group and give it a name - say Northern Neck Descendants and Ancestors - or whatever. Although Ancestry sets it up so that everything should be linked, as you point out, it's possible to have disconnected parts. This lets folks work on different lines, until the links are made. Your list of "lessons" is a very good one. > > <<You may also want to adhere to some standards like surnames in CAPS (or not); standardized dates: 24 Oct 2011 (or some other), so the site has some consistency to it.>> I agree. > > I'm not sure if two people can work on the same file at the same time, so it is essential that each editor logs out when done. This has not come up at any time, so I am pretty sure multiple can be working on it at the same time. May be a problem if two or more people are working on the same PERSON at a time, however. I'll add that to my list of questions for George > > You tree may be the one to use as the base. Is there a way to copy, and rename a tree (without slogging through for each element)? Is there a way to add a GEDcom to an existing tree - I'm still learning too. I hope we have some real experts on this list. My tree would be OK to start with except for two problems. (1) I access ancestry through our library account. I have my own free account just for this one tree (2) My data is on a macintosh program called Reunion. When I have exported a ged com and reloaded it to FTM at the library, none of the source citations transfer over. The footnote number does, but not the citation. The notes transfer fine. I'm not sure what other issues it would involve. I can't stand using FTM anyone. It used to be pretty simple our version is #9 and I find it quite cumbersome to navigate. But Reunion really spoils me. It is very well designed and rational. It's only problem is match/merge which is a bit tricky. > > By the way - I can go back on one line to Edward (King), so I am cousin to Thomas JEFFERSON and his cousin Barack OBAMA. No politics, just blood lines. LOL! > > Jim Bartlett > > Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! > > On Sep 23, 2011, at 11:17 PM, Craig Kilby <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Jim, >> >> Instead of multiple and different trees, I'd rather we have JUST ONE to build upon. As I go through this BALL stuff and start adding to it, I am amazed at how quickly it grows and overlaps and branches out. I was gobsmacked the other day when I actually connected Thomas Jefferson--yes, THE Thomas Jefferson--to the Ball tree. It came about due to some research I was doing on Dr Walter Jones of Northumberland County, a close friend of Jeffersons. They had gone to William & Mary College together. Jone's roommate was (can't think of first name) SKELTON, who was the first husband of Martha Jefferson. Skelton's sister married a brother of Dr. Jones. Jones had already been connected to the tree because his daughter Elizabeth married (2) Rawleigh Downman, etc..... (I intend to write more about this soon. It also carries into the origins of Kinsale, Westmoreland County. I did not know it was Dr. William Flood, whose daughter Alice was the wife of Dr. Walter Jones who gave the pl! a! > ce! >> its name...Ed, any ideas on that?) >> >> Even my relatively small tree could quickly be grown. >> >> I wish I could "SHOW" people how this works on ancestry. It is sort of like a genealogy program but not with so many whistles and bells. some things we QUICKLY learned the hard way were (1) Do NOT delete anybody. Disconnect them, yes, but don't delete them. They probably belong SOMEWHERE; (2) do not ADD anybody without checking to see if they are already in the database. They may be in the wrong place but you can fix that with a little patience and effort and (3) by the same token, check to see if a source has already been entered so you don't duplicate it. It may not be cited the way you'd like -- or as it should be -- but you can change that too! >> >> The other lesson was how important it was to report to the rootsweb lists what you have done and why you have done it. Likewise, what you accidentally screwed up which was the case for most of us in the beginning. Some have learned much more quickly than others (including me) and are very generous in answering questions about how to do something. LIke Jim said, there is a learning curve and it is a bit clunky, but it DOES work. >> >> This is not like some gedcom just thrown up on world-connect. It is a working, living, interactive on-line genie program. So far, I'm impressed. I just don't know how to kick start it. >> >> Craig >> >> On Sep 23, 2011, at 9:37 PM, Jim Bartlett wrote: >> >>> All the more reason to have a NN collective/collaborative arrangement for a group of trees - being proactive in getting it right. Before I put my ancestry in an Ancestry Tree last year (primarily to allow my DNA matches a place to look), I often wondered what would happen to my 35 years of research when I'm gone - probably thrown out... I'd rather share it now - while I can defend it, and/or amend it as I learn more. As for what others might do... I'd rather focus on what I can do. >>> >>> Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-N[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Craig I guess I meant one account. If you want to have control and do the inviting you can start a new tree with any family group and give it a name - say Northern Neck Descendants and Ancestors - or whatever. Although Ancestry sets it up so that everything should be linked, as you point out, it's possible to have disconnected parts. This lets folks work on different lines, until the links are made. Your list of "lessons" is a very good one. You may also want to adhere to some standards like surnames in CAPS (or not); standardized dates: 24 Oct 2011 (or some other), so the site has some consistency to it. I'm not sure if two people can work on the same file at the same time, so it is essential that each editor logs out when done. You tree may be the one to use as the base. Is there a way to copy, and rename a tree (without slogging through for each element)? Is there a way to add a GEDcom to an existing tree - I'm still learning too. I hope we have some real experts on this list. By the way - I can go back on one line to Edward (King), so I am cousin to Thomas JEFFERSON and his cousin Barack OBAMA. No politics, just blood lines. Jim Bartlett Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! On Sep 23, 2011, at 11:17 PM, Craig Kilby <[email protected]> wrote: > Jim, > > Instead of multiple and different trees, I'd rather we have JUST ONE to build upon. As I go through this BALL stuff and start adding to it, I am amazed at how quickly it grows and overlaps and branches out. I was gobsmacked the other day when I actually connected Thomas Jefferson--yes, THE Thomas Jefferson--to the Ball tree. It came about due to some research I was doing on Dr Walter Jones of Northumberland County, a close friend of Jeffersons. They had gone to William & Mary College together. Jone's roommate was (can't think of first name) SKELTON, who was the first husband of Martha Jefferson. Skelton's sister married a brother of Dr. Jones. Jones had already been connected to the tree because his daughter Elizabeth married (2) Rawleigh Downman, etc..... (I intend to write more about this soon. It also carries into the origins of Kinsale, Westmoreland County. I did not know it was Dr. William Flood, whose daughter Alice was the wife of Dr. Walter Jones who gave the pla! ce! > its name...Ed, any ideas on that?) > > Even my relatively small tree could quickly be grown. > > I wish I could "SHOW" people how this works on ancestry. It is sort of like a genealogy program but not with so many whistles and bells. some things we QUICKLY learned the hard way were (1) Do NOT delete anybody. Disconnect them, yes, but don't delete them. They probably belong SOMEWHERE; (2) do not ADD anybody without checking to see if they are already in the database. They may be in the wrong place but you can fix that with a little patience and effort and (3) by the same token, check to see if a source has already been entered so you don't duplicate it. It may not be cited the way you'd like -- or as it should be -- but you can change that too! > > The other lesson was how important it was to report to the rootsweb lists what you have done and why you have done it. Likewise, what you accidentally screwed up which was the case for most of us in the beginning. Some have learned much more quickly than others (including me) and are very generous in answering questions about how to do something. LIke Jim said, there is a learning curve and it is a bit clunky, but it DOES work. > > This is not like some gedcom just thrown up on world-connect. It is a working, living, interactive on-line genie program. So far, I'm impressed. I just don't know how to kick start it. > > Craig > > On Sep 23, 2011, at 9:37 PM, Jim Bartlett wrote: > >> All the more reason to have a NN collective/collaborative arrangement for a group of trees - being proactive in getting it right. Before I put my ancestry in an Ancestry Tree last year (primarily to allow my DNA matches a place to look), I often wondered what would happen to my 35 years of research when I'm gone - probably thrown out... I'd rather share it now - while I can defend it, and/or amend it as I learn more. As for what others might do... I'd rather focus on what I can do. >> >> Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jim, Instead of multiple and different trees, I'd rather we have JUST ONE to build upon. As I go through this BALL stuff and start adding to it, I am amazed at how quickly it grows and overlaps and branches out. I was gobsmacked the other day when I actually connected Thomas Jefferson--yes, THE Thomas Jefferson--to the Ball tree. It came about due to some research I was doing on Dr Walter Jones of Northumberland County, a close friend of Jeffersons. They had gone to William & Mary College together. Jone's roommate was (can't think of first name) SKELTON, who was the first husband of Martha Jefferson. Skelton's sister married a brother of Dr. Jones. Jones had already been connected to the tree because his daughter Elizabeth married (2) Rawleigh Downman, etc..... (I intend to write more about this soon. It also carries into the origins of Kinsale, Westmoreland County. I did not know it was Dr. William Flood, whose daughter Alice was the wife of Dr. Walter Jones who gave the place! its name...Ed, any ideas on that?) Even my relatively small tree could quickly be grown. I wish I could "SHOW" people how this works on ancestry. It is sort of like a genealogy program but not with so many whistles and bells. some things we QUICKLY learned the hard way were (1) Do NOT delete anybody. Disconnect them, yes, but don't delete them. They probably belong SOMEWHERE; (2) do not ADD anybody without checking to see if they are already in the database. They may be in the wrong place but you can fix that with a little patience and effort and (3) by the same token, check to see if a source has already been entered so you don't duplicate it. It may not be cited the way you'd like -- or as it should be -- but you can change that too! The other lesson was how important it was to report to the rootsweb lists what you have done and why you have done it. Likewise, what you accidentally screwed up which was the case for most of us in the beginning. Some have learned much more quickly than others (including me) and are very generous in answering questions about how to do something. LIke Jim said, there is a learning curve and it is a bit clunky, but it DOES work. This is not like some gedcom just thrown up on world-connect. It is a working, living, interactive on-line genie program. So far, I'm impressed. I just don't know how to kick start it. Craig On Sep 23, 2011, at 9:37 PM, Jim Bartlett wrote: > All the more reason to have a NN collective/collaborative arrangement for a group of trees - being proactive in getting it right. Before I put my ancestry in an Ancestry Tree last year (primarily to allow my DNA matches a place to look), I often wondered what would happen to my 35 years of research when I'm gone - probably thrown out... I'd rather share it now - while I can defend it, and/or amend it as I learn more. As for what others might do... I'd rather focus on what I can do. > > Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

On Sep 20, Kathleen wrote: Message: 3 Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 09:51:59 -0700 From: Kathleen Much <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Ball and Conway so far To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]om> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 As I posted the other day, Edwin-2 Conway married twice. First wife was Sarah WALKER (misidentified as Fleete because of a record mentioning her HALF-brother Henry Fleete). Edwin's second wife was Elizabeth Thornton. Let's get rid of Sarah Fleete once and for all. The only (fleeting) Sarah Fleete was Sarah Burden, who married 1) Henry Fleete, m.2) John Walker, m.3) John Stone. Kathleen On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 Craig wrote: > > It was Edwin-2 (not Edwin-1) who married (2) Sarah Fleete(?). His first > wife was Sarah WALKER, who was the mother of his three children: Kathleen, Capt. Thomas Carter listed his children's names beginning in 1670 and the names of the godparents of the children that were baptized in his Prayer Book now at The Virginia Historical Society in Richmon. I would like to identify the godmother named for Henry Skipwith Carter born in 1676. A Sarah Fleet was married to Henry Fleet then she married John Walker after Henry's death. Could Mrs. Sarah Fleet mentioned in the prayer book be the wife or widow of Henry in 1676. Do you know when she married John Walker? Bob Lumsden. Below is a transcription of the prayer book entry naming her as Henry's godmother. HENRY SKIPWITH CARTER Henry Skipwith 4th sonn Tho: & Kath: Carter bornd of a Wednesdy the 7h June 1676 & was baptzd att Home by Rev Mr Dogette on a SunDay after Service ye 18th Day. Wm Ball _Capn David Fox and Mrs Sarah Fleet standing

All the more reason to have a NN collective/collaborative arrangement for a group of trees - being proactive in getting it right. Before I put my ancestry in an Ancestry Tree last year (primarily to allow my DNA matches a place to look), I often wondered what would happen to my 35 years of research when I'm gone - probably thrown out... I'd rather share it now - while I can defend it, and/or amend it as I learn more. As for what others might do... I'd rather focus on what I can do. Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! On Sep 23, 2011, at 8:33 PM, Kathleen Much <[email protected]> wrote: > On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 Janean wrote: >> Ancesty I've heard then OWNS your information and people have tried to > remove it or make corrections and can't... I don't know the details > ----- > > Janean is right. Back at the dawn of the World Wide Web, before > graphic interfaces and web browsers existed,, I participated in > several genealogical bulletin boards. I made the huge mistake of > emailing a large part of my database to a fellow researcher; he > uploaded it to Ancestry *without* most of my notes and sources, and > without asking my permission. For years thereafter I kept seeing big > chunks of my database on the Internet without attribution. I could > recognize it because of the glaring--and unique-- errors that I had by > then corrected. > > I contacted Ancestry, told them of the errors and how they had got > onto the website, and asked to be cited as the source and allowed to > correct the errors. Ancestry turned me down flat. They arrogantly told > me that I could buy MY OWN MATERIAL from them on a CD at some > outrageously inflated price, and then *maybe* they would consider > letting me fix the mistakes. I declined. > > Ever since I have avoided giving Ancestry any of my research or my > money. The old flawed, outdated material is probably still > circulating. At this point I don't want any credit for it anyway. > > Beware of letting your research escape your control, especially if it > can be appropriated without attribution and sold without your consent. > Ancestry still doesn't seem to offer any protection. > > Kathleen Much >

You most certainly can make corrections and you can remove them. I would prefer to share information that is documented. and I do not mind it if someone uses it. It is simply a more modern version of putting it in a hardback book. No more or less accurate. Granted much of what is on there is pure garbage copied over and over, but if some verified information finds its way in the truth begins to out. If Ancestry would only tighten up on what is a "source" life would be better. I, for one, have a hard time accepting the King James Version as a source. Taking "my information" is something else again. If you do not want to give it away or share it, so be it. I have had the same experience about posting preliminary information and seeing it multiply. It is embarrassing, but if I had though about it I would have qualified my findings. On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 5:44 PM, Mary Buchholz <[email protected]>wrote: > I agree. We use Ancestry as clues and some tines great documents and photos > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Bartlett <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 3:06 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] We have a golden opportunity to build > alastinglegacy for Northern Neck Families. > > > Janean, > > Some of what you point out may be true, but the other side of the coin is > that a lot of good research is on Ancestry, AND it has a good suite of > tools > that are integrated with teh trees to let you find records and attach > them > to your trees; add pictures of people and/or tombstones, etc. and add in > writen documents expaining what you've done and why. Of course there are > some who just mine the info and have no idea if it's right or wrong. But > we > can't stop that. What we can do, is put up well documented info - in > other > words: rather than duck or hide from the issues, go on the offensive and > post to the best of our ability. As a group, we would be open to peer > review, and could correct (and document) the info, just as has been > happening on this list. > > Let this group be part of the solution. > > > Jim Bartlett > > On 09/23/11, Janean Ray<[email protected]> wrote: > I'm a little suspicious of why anyone would want to upload their entire > database to places like ancestry and say world connect.... Nothing is > EVER > fully proven and therefore subject to just continually passing along > wrong > information. I have had people take my information and upload it to World > Connect and at this very minute my LIVING mother is listed on there. I > have > seen hoards of my information on there that someone got a hold of very > early > on in my research and put it on World Connect and its totally now wrong. > Ancesty I've heard then OWNS your information and people have tried to > remove it or make corrections and can't... I don't know the details > because > it didn't involve me but I've also seen people who "collect" names and > families..... And don't care where they get the information. 20+ thousand > people in a database seems a little suspicious to me. I've seen that on > World Connect and I've gone into people's pages...... And somehow always > seem to find my family attached to them. > Janean > > ------------------------------- > > [The entire original message is not included] > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Kathleen, Not very long ago I would have agreed with you completely. We've all been there. The only thing worse than having your research used with no attribution is having your bad research attributed to you. But I have to agree with Jim too: if you can't beat them, join them. Go on the offensive. George Durman's GERMANNA FAMILIES idea was something I would have never expected him to do, and much less did I think would be viable. But actually, is has been a pleasant surprise to me. I think ancestry's days of selling out-dated material on CDs (which they mostly took from the Family History Library in Salt Lake City--and they too will put up anything by anybody) are over. The field has become much more sophisticated since then, and so has ancestry.com. I mean, there are very few of us here who DON'T use it, would you agree? So, if you want the data to be accurate, what I have proposed is a good way to do it. If you don't care, or don't see the need to share your research in a more permanent form, then it would be a bad idea. You could of course put it on your own web site, and many people do that, but how permanent is that? The Kilby data base (not mine, but based largely on mine originally) is on its own web page. I don't run that site, a cousin of mine does. That has pros and cons. But we DO have a fb page to direct traffic to it. It is not open-sourced. Only Herb Kilby, the web master, can make any changes to it. It is also a bit difficult to use, IMO. So........the world keeps spinning whether we like it or not. Better to spin with it than to be spun off it. Craig On Sep 23, 2011, at 8:33 PM, Kathleen Much wrote: > On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 Janean wrote: >> Ancestry I've heard then OWNS your information and people have tried to > remove it or make corrections and can't... I don't know the details > ----- > > Janean is right. Back at the dawn of the World Wide Web, before > graphic interfaces and web browsers existed,, I participated in > several genealogical bulletin boards. I made the huge mistake of > emailing a large part of my database to a fellow researcher; he > uploaded it to Ancestry *without* most of my notes and sources, and > without asking my permission. For years thereafter I kept seeing big > chunks of my database on the Internet without attribution. I could > recognize it because of the glaring--and unique-- errors that I had by > then corrected. > > I contacted Ancestry, told them of the errors and how they had got > onto the website, and asked to be cited as the source and allowed to > correct the errors. Ancestry turned me down flat. They arrogantly told > me that I could buy MY OWN MATERIAL from them on a CD at some > outrageously inflated price, and then *maybe* they would consider > letting me fix the mistakes. I declined. > > Ever since I have avoided giving Ancestry any of my research or my > money. The old flawed, outdated material is probably still > circulating. At this point I don't want any credit for it anyway. > > Beware of letting your research escape your control, especially if it > can be appropriated without attribution and sold without your consent. > Ancestry still doesn't seem to offer any protection. > > Kathleen Much