Craig If I understand the Huguenot group correctly shouldn't it be either French Protestant or Huguenot as I believe the two phrases mean the same? On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 10:01 AM, Craig Kilby <[email protected]> wrote: > French Huguenot -- Douglas Burnett Satellite Beach FL

This would be Stokely-3 (Henry-2, Henry-1) Towles. He died in 1765 in Lancaster County. Like most of our NN families, the names repeat themselves. It is maddening to sort them out. On top of that is the CRIMINAL artricles published on this family. (Often just echo chamber repeats of very bad research being regurgituated ad nauseum.) Craig On Oct 7, 2011, at 10:41 AM, Janean Ray wrote: > have a Stokely Towles m. to Elizabeth Martin

Janean Try logging into Ancestry, but don't click on the NM Tree - just try to search for someone in the tree... Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! On Oct 7, 2011, at 10:40 AM, "Janean Ray" <[email protected]> wrote: > Hmm not sure what your talking about. You mean if I were to NOT sign in. > Just try a search on Ancestry as if I were not a member? Technically I'm > NOT. Ancestry has retained my "user" information.... Account name, if you > will. I can sign in but I am not currently a paid member. > > But you two know way more than I about searching in Ancestry. It drove me > crazy when I WAS a member. > > > Janean > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jim Bartlett > Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 10:12 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Question for Jim Bartlett re ancestry tree > > Everyone who accepts the Ancestry invite to our NN Tree, will have that Tree > listed in their Family Trees TAB - as outlined by Janean below. > > However, like Craig, I have been unable to find our Public Tree using any of > the Ancestry search tools (which I can use to find other Trees and the > people in them). I can only conclude that Ancestry hasn't indexed this Tree > in their inventory yet. > > Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! > > On Oct 6, 2011, at 4:42 PM, "Janean Ray" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I type in >> >> Ancestry.com >> >> I click SIGN IN >> >> I'm looking at >> >> RECENT MEMBER CONNECT ACTIVITY >> >> TODAY >> >> Shows jimbartlett1 added ........... >> Jimbartlett1 added BARTLETT DNA >> >> Etc etc. >> >> Also shows Recent family tree activity >> >> John Lawson Epaphroditus Lawson Mary Kilbee/Kirby >> >>> From open page I click on FAMILY TREES tab on top and it has a drop >>> down >> menue >> >> Northern Neck of Virginia Families >> Start a New Tree >> Upload a Gedcom >> >> >> >> Janean >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Craig >> Kilby >> Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 4:54 PM >> To: Northern Neck Northern Neck List >> Subject: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Question for Jim Bartlett re ancestry tree >> >> Jim, >> >> I am on the MBW account for ancestry, and I cannot for the life of me >> find "Northern Neck of Virginia Families" under any search option for >> either public or private trees. Where am I going wrong? What are the >> exact steps one must take from the ancestry home page to get there? >> Please spell it out it detail, step by step. Many of did is (well, >> myself at least) did poorly in math because the text books skipped >> over from step #1 straight to step #7, leaving out steps #2-6. My >> Calc tutor in college (yes, I needed a >> tutor) simply said when I asked him why this was, "Well. You're just >> supposed to know that." Hence why I needed a tutor. Bless his heart, >> he had the patience of Job with me. >> >> Of course I know how to access it, but I want to show my fellow >> volunteers how to get there from the library's account (which is no >> different than any private user.) >> >> Craig >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I hear a bell ringing! But then again Craig you can't throw a rock in Virinia back in the 17th or 18th century without hitting a relative or a recognized name. I have a Stokely Towles m. to Elizabeth Martin Notes for Elizabeth Towles: Virginia County Records SPOTSYLVANIA COUNTY 1721-1800 DEEDS DEED BOOK P 1797-1800 page 503 [p.503]Whereas, Elizabeth Towles, decd., did by her last will and testament, devise certain slaves to her grandchildren, Merryman Payne, Ann Payne, Elizabeth Payne, and Frances Payne, and whereas, Thomas Towles, Henry Towles, Stockley Towles, and Ann Reveley (children of the sd. Elizabeth Towles, decd.), are ready and willing to convey and release all right, title, etc., whatsoever, they may have to the sd. slaves, this Ind. therefore witnesseth, conveyance of the sd. slaves to Thos. Towles, in trust for the afsd. Paynes, etc., etc. Witnesses, Edwd. Herndon, Beverley Stubblefield, Thomas Winslow. Septr. 4, 1798. Daughter Elizabeth Towles m. 1780 to Nicholas Payne b. 1758 Lancaster Co. Va. D. befl Jan 1803 Spotsylvania Co. Va.... Also m. a Frances Bruce. Son of Merryman Payne and Catherine Brent. Janean

Hmm not sure what your talking about. You mean if I were to NOT sign in. Just try a search on Ancestry as if I were not a member? Technically I'm NOT. Ancestry has retained my "user" information.... Account name, if you will. I can sign in but I am not currently a paid member. But you two know way more than I about searching in Ancestry. It drove me crazy when I WAS a member. Janean -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jim Bartlett Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 10:12 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Question for Jim Bartlett re ancestry tree Everyone who accepts the Ancestry invite to our NN Tree, will have that Tree listed in their Family Trees TAB - as outlined by Janean below. However, like Craig, I have been unable to find our Public Tree using any of the Ancestry search tools (which I can use to find other Trees and the people in them). I can only conclude that Ancestry hasn't indexed this Tree in their inventory yet. Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! On Oct 6, 2011, at 4:42 PM, "Janean Ray" <[email protected]> wrote: > I type in > > Ancestry.com > > I click SIGN IN > > I'm looking at > > RECENT MEMBER CONNECT ACTIVITY > > TODAY > > Shows jimbartlett1 added ........... > Jimbartlett1 added BARTLETT DNA > > Etc etc. > > Also shows Recent family tree activity > > John Lawson Epaphroditus Lawson Mary Kilbee/Kirby > >> From open page I click on FAMILY TREES tab on top and it has a drop >> down > menue > > Northern Neck of Virginia Families > Start a New Tree > Upload a Gedcom > > > > Janean > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Craig > Kilby > Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 4:54 PM > To: Northern Neck Northern Neck List > Subject: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Question for Jim Bartlett re ancestry tree > > Jim, > > I am on the MBW account for ancestry, and I cannot for the life of me > find "Northern Neck of Virginia Families" under any search option for > either public or private trees. Where am I going wrong? What are the > exact steps one must take from the ancestry home page to get there? > Please spell it out it detail, step by step. Many of did is (well, > myself at least) did poorly in math because the text books skipped > over from step #1 straight to step #7, leaving out steps #2-6. My > Calc tutor in college (yes, I needed a > tutor) simply said when I asked him why this was, "Well. You're just > supposed to know that." Hence why I needed a tutor. Bless his heart, > he had the patience of Job with me. > > Of course I know how to access it, but I want to show my fellow > volunteers how to get there from the library's account (which is no > different than any private user.) > > Craig > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Everyone who accepts the Ancestry invite to our NN Tree, will have that Tree listed in their Family Trees TAB - as outlined by Janean below. However, like Craig, I have been unable to find our Public Tree using any of the Ancestry search tools (which I can use to find other Trees and the people in them). I can only conclude that Ancestry hasn't indexed this Tree in their inventory yet. Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! On Oct 6, 2011, at 4:42 PM, "Janean Ray" <[email protected]> wrote: > I type in > > Ancestry.com > > I click SIGN IN > > I'm looking at > > RECENT MEMBER CONNECT ACTIVITY > > TODAY > > Shows jimbartlett1 added ........... > Jimbartlett1 added BARTLETT DNA > > Etc etc. > > Also shows Recent family tree activity > > John Lawson Epaphroditus Lawson Mary Kilbee/Kirby > >> From open page I click on FAMILY TREES tab on top and it has a drop down > menue > > Northern Neck of Virginia Families > Start a New Tree > Upload a Gedcom > > > > Janean > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Craig Kilby > Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 4:54 PM > To: Northern Neck Northern Neck List > Subject: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Question for Jim Bartlett re ancestry tree > > Jim, > > I am on the MBW account for ancestry, and I cannot for the life of me find > "Northern Neck of Virginia Families" under any search option for either > public or private trees. Where am I going wrong? What are the exact steps > one must take from the ancestry home page to get there? Please spell it out > it detail, step by step. Many of did is (well, myself at least) did poorly > in math because the text books skipped over from step #1 straight to step > #7, leaving out steps #2-6. My Calc tutor in college (yes, I needed a > tutor) simply said when I asked him why this was, "Well. You're just > supposed to know that." Hence why I needed a tutor. Bless his heart, he had > the patience of Job with me. > > Of course I know how to access it, but I want to show my fellow volunteers > how to get there from the library's account (which is no different than any > private user.) > > Craig > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'll have to read that book. We have a Southern BARTLETT line (not mine) that sprange from a rock c1776. Nine descendants with matching DNA which matches the DNA from 12 BARTLETT descendants of the Mayflower. We know of one connection from MA to NC, but still can't tie in the VA group, yet. Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! On Oct 6, 2011, at 1:50 PM, Kathleen Much <[email protected]> wrote: > I heartily recommend Nick Bunker's _Making Haste from Babylon_ for readers > who want to get up to speed on the Mayflower bunch with an entertaining and > well-documented account. > > Craig is right that there was quite a lot of coastal commerce between > Massachusetts and Virginia in the 17th century. I like to think that my New > England ancestors showed their perspicacity by moving south pretty quickly, > within a generation or two. Isaac Allerton is one who had the good sense to > settle in the NN when his father's mercantile enterprise annoyed Gov. > Bradford and some of the Puritans. Isaac Sr had come on the Mayflower; his > son was born in Plymouth Colony. > > Last week I was able to track down the graves of some of my peripatetic > ancestors in Westfield, NJ, where they paused on their way from England to > New England to Long Island to NJ to VA to NC to SC within about 150 years. > If anybody on the list is kin to the Woodruffs, I'll be happy to share > photos of the tombstones I found. > > Kathleen Much > The Book Doctor >

Janean, agreed. Aside from my m Rooney-esque commentary, it is imperiive we look to New England for associations. Not long ago, I finally discovered that my ancestor Claude Vallot miraculously appeared in Middlesex County in 1666. Lo and behold, he had come from New Jersey as member of Lord Carteretets staff. He left that province for Virginia at exactly the same time as Cartertert was being evicted under penalty of death. Good reason move to warmer climates. The colonies were not so large and the trade ageements so huge that at this time they all had ties to one one other and of course in England. This was an early period of colonization. I just want to say we should always thing of looking in other places for records. Besides New England, they may include Bermuda and the Bahamas. Let your mind rome free. What has always struck me about Claud Vallott wa his aka name "Champage" As it all turns out, he was the 16 year old "menial" servant of Phiiip Carterter. In those days, "menial" meant something quite diffferent from today's meaning. More akin to household/personal staff. In young Claud's case, he was the only "servant" to receive land grants from Carteret, an sent on on least one expedition to requisition a pirate ship (according to Cartertet) BTW, there are probably more that a few descendants of Claud Vallott on this list. He married ca 1690 to Ann Jenkinson of Cumberland County England. This marriage was in Middlesex County, VA. This couple had two daughters: (1) Catherine Vallott, b 02 SEP 1690, married in 1714 to Samuel Batchelder (2) Ann Vallott, b. 31 Jul 1694, married in 1708 at a tender age to Stokley-2 Towles of Accomack County. They had 13 children. The Towles name may ring more than a few bells. in the Northern Nek. While Stokeley-2 Towles by two wives spawned a total of 15 children (including one of my ancestors), it is his bother Henry-2 who commands the most attention here in the Northern Neck. Like his brother, he too married a girl of French Huguenot descent. She was Hannah Theriott, daughter of Dominique Theriott of Lancaster County. He is he reason there is a place called Towles Point in Lancaster County, though he actually purchased that property from a previous owner. Craig On Oct 6, 2011, at 11:28 AM, Janean Ray wrote: > > Craig I loved your comments about the "Pilgrims" > > > "every Thanksgiving he writes some soppy story about the "Pilgrims" and the > "First Thanksgiving" > > "Of all the characters of the Plymouth Colony, Stephen Hopkins, a reprobate > who had earlier been run out of Jamestown, stands out as my favorite. > Perhaps reprobate is too strong, but he was always at odds with authorities, > and and saved my own direct ancestor Jonathan Hatch who later founded > Barnstable, MA out of deep do doo." > > In researching and certifying my two Mayflower Lines Isaac Allerton and > William Brewster I have found how very proud these people are of their > heritage almost to the "creepiness factor" and in what high regard the hold > them. And although I am so very proud of what they endured....... To get > here...... What they did AFTER they got here is something different. > > And MY FAVORITE.... Is my Isaac Allerton who basically was embezzeling the > colony. He began many business ventures on his own but relying on the > Colony's credit to do so and of course these ventures failed....leaving the > colony in debt. > > He was put in charge of going back to Europe and bringing over trade goods > to sell with the natives...... However he brought back retail goods to sell > to the colonists and the fisherman..... He also kind of forgot to marck > which goods were his and which belonged to the colony.... When the ship's > cargo was unloaded (of course it was all packed together) and the colonist > started opening and unloading seeing what Isaac had returned with........ He > was like....... NO, that's mine......... Yea, that's mine too....... NOPE > mine....... Etc. Coincidentally enough all the goods that Allerton claimed > to be HIS purchases....... were the most expensive items leaving the > colonists with the cheaper goods. > > Although Junior learned his trade as a merchant from his father hopefully he > learned by his father's mistakes and didn't continue the practice of ripping > people off in Virginia. > > > Janean > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

We are now at 27 Editors; with an additional 10 invitations outstanding - Ancestry is having a hard time with some, and has scrambled some. I'm still trying to get everyone signed up. In response to several queries - here is a short tutorial for newcomers to Ancesty. I hope those who don't care much about Ancestry or the NN Tree project will bear with us for a few weeks - just delete the messages you don't care about - things will settle out soon enough. There are several different views: The Pedigree & Family views have boxes in a Tree chart. Clicking on a box will bring up a larger box with bottom TABS: View Profile; Quick Edit; Search Records; View his/her family tree; and + Add relative. Feel free to click on any of these, but to work on this person you want click on View Profile TAB. On the Profile page youâll start on the Overview TAB, and see the info about that person, and many other TABS, etc. Get to know this page layout, try all the links [links to Ancestry records and some tools wonât work unless you have a subscription]. At the top, to the right of the Northern Neck of Virginia Families title, youâll see the box âfind a person in this treeâ â from here you can see a list of all people in this Tree, and select anyone you want to see. You can click on any of the Add links that have a plus in front of them (Father, Mother, Spouse, family member). When you add a person and/or edit information, be sure to âSaveâ this information before moving on from that page. Trust me. Back on the Profile page, under the personâs name, you can click on âEdit this personâ and get a page with 5 TABâd views for different information to enter; with the Relationships TAB showing links to enter other relations. From other views, or if you get lost, click on âReturn to family treeâ link or the âfind a person in this treeâ box that are on the title line. Noodle around â there are many ways to move around and look at different views or look at information. Near the Overview TAB is the Media Gallery TAB â check out all the ways you can add Media, Photos, Stories, Audio, and Video â these are the TABs to use to enter jpg photos of tombstones or houses or records, etc; or add pdf documents. These are the items that will really make our Tree robust and well documented. Feel free to upload a story from your PC, or type a story in directly. I use the story feature to add DNA information, but you can use it for anything you want to add for this person. Jim Bartlett

I type in Ancestry.com I click SIGN IN I'm looking at RECENT MEMBER CONNECT ACTIVITY TODAY Shows jimbartlett1 added ........... Jimbartlett1 added BARTLETT DNA Etc etc. Also shows Recent family tree activity John Lawson Epaphroditus Lawson Mary Kilbee/Kirby >From open page I click on FAMILY TREES tab on top and it has a drop down menue Northern Neck of Virginia Families Start a New Tree Upload a Gedcom Janean -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Craig Kilby Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 4:54 PM To: Northern Neck Northern Neck List Subject: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Question for Jim Bartlett re ancestry tree Jim, I am on the MBW account for ancestry, and I cannot for the life of me find "Northern Neck of Virginia Families" under any search option for either public or private trees. Where am I going wrong? What are the exact steps one must take from the ancestry home page to get there? Please spell it out it detail, step by step. Many of did is (well, myself at least) did poorly in math because the text books skipped over from step #1 straight to step #7, leaving out steps #2-6. My Calc tutor in college (yes, I needed a tutor) simply said when I asked him why this was, "Well. You're just supposed to know that." Hence why I needed a tutor. Bless his heart, he had the patience of Job with me. Of course I know how to access it, but I want to show my fellow volunteers how to get there from the library's account (which is no different than any private user.) Craig ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Craig I loved your comments about the "Pilgrims" "every Thanksgiving he writes some soppy story about the "Pilgrims" and the "First Thanksgiving" "Of all the characters of the Plymouth Colony, Stephen Hopkins, a reprobate who had earlier been run out of Jamestown, stands out as my favorite. Perhaps reprobate is too strong, but he was always at odds with authorities, and and saved my own direct ancestor Jonathan Hatch who later founded Barnstable, MA out of deep do doo." In researching and certifying my two Mayflower Lines Isaac Allerton and William Brewster I have found how very proud these people are of their heritage almost to the "creepiness factor" and in what high regard the hold them. And although I am so very proud of what they endured....... To get here...... What they did AFTER they got here is something different. And MY FAVORITE.... Is my Isaac Allerton who basically was embezzeling the colony. He began many business ventures on his own but relying on the Colony's credit to do so and of course these ventures failed....leaving the colony in debt. He was put in charge of going back to Europe and bringing over trade goods to sell with the natives...... However he brought back retail goods to sell to the colonists and the fisherman..... He also kind of forgot to marck which goods were his and which belonged to the colony.... When the ship's cargo was unloaded (of course it was all packed together) and the colonist started opening and unloading seeing what Isaac had returned with........ He was like....... NO, that's mine......... Yea, that's mine too....... NOPE mine....... Etc. Coincidentally enough all the goods that Allerton claimed to be HIS purchases....... were the most expensive items leaving the colonists with the cheaper goods. Although Junior learned his trade as a merchant from his father hopefully he learned by his father's mistakes and didn't continue the practice of ripping people off in Virginia. Janean

I heartily recommend Nick Bunker's _Making Haste from Babylon_ for readers who want to get up to speed on the Mayflower bunch with an entertaining and well-documented account. Craig is right that there was quite a lot of coastal commerce between Massachusetts and Virginia in the 17th century. I like to think that my New England ancestors showed their perspicacity by moving south pretty quickly, within a generation or two. Isaac Allerton is one who had the good sense to settle in the NN when his father's mercantile enterprise annoyed Gov. Bradford and some of the Puritans. Isaac Sr had come on the Mayflower; his son was born in Plymouth Colony. Last week I was able to track down the graves of some of my peripatetic ancestors in Westfield, NJ, where they paused on their way from England to New England to Long Island to NJ to VA to NC to SC within about 150 years. If anybody on the list is kin to the Woodruffs, I'll be happy to share photos of the tombstones I found. Kathleen Much The Book Doctor On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 Craig wrote: > (1) the first Thanksgiving was in Jamestown, VA long before the so-called > Pilgrims ever blew off shore and ended up in Massachusetts on a big fat rock > and (2) they never were called "Pilgrims" until the 1880s in some poem. The > group of "Pilgrims were two complete separate groups composed of (1) > Anglicans and (2) Separatists. And they settled the Plymouth Bay Colony, > not the Massachusetts Bay Colony, which was settled ca 1630 by the > "Puritans." The Puritans were Anglican with an Evangelical beat. They > wanted to "purify" the Anglican Church. The Separatists, by contrast, simply > wanted to -- well--separate. No happy talk about a city on a shining hill. > There w! > as nothing shiny about it. As I wrote above, their Separatist compatriots > were of one stripe, and their financial backers and other "adventurers" were > of the purest Anglican order. Well, not entirely pure. > > Of all the characters of the Plymouth Colony, Stephen Hopkins, a reprobate > who had earlier been run out of Jamestown, stands out as my favorite. > Perhaps reprobate is too strong, but he was always at odds with authorities, > and and saved my own direct ancestor Jonathan Hatch who later founded > Barnstable, MA out of deep do doo. > > All of this really is on topic, believe it or not, for there are many more > England>New England>Virginia>New England>Virginia connections than most of > us realize. We would all do better to pursue those. >

Let's get our own house (Tree) in order, and we can develop a summary note about this project. I think the concept (team effort) and process (peer review) is one that others may want to emulate. Let's see how it develops first... Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! On Oct 5, 2011, at 10:51 PM, Craig Kilby <[email protected]> wrote: > Jim, all, > > This is the sort of thing I wish DIck Eastman would write about. I've never had any luck with his announcing new things going on in the Northern Neck. He doesn't much care for me because every Thanksgiving he writes some soppy story about the "Pilgrims" and the "First Thanksgiving" in Plymouth, and I remind him that (1) the first Thanksgiving was in Jamestown, VA long before the so-called Pilgrims ever blew off shore and ended up in Massachusetts on a big fat rock and (2) they never were called "Pilgrims" until the 1880s in some poem. The group of "Pilgrims were two complete separate groups composed of (1) Anglicans and (2) Separatists. And they settled the Plymouth Bay Colony, not the Massachusetts Bay Colony, which was settled ca 1630 by the "Puritans." The Puritans were Anglican with an Evangelical beat. They wanted to "purify" the Anglican Church. The Separatists, by contrast, simply wanted to -- well--separate. No happy talk about a city on a shining hill. There! w! > as nothing shiny about it. As I wrote above, their Separatist compatriots were of one stripe, and their financial backers and other "adventurers" were of the purest Anglican order. Well, not entirely pure. > > Of all the characters of the Plymouth Colony, Stephen Hopkins, a reprobate who had earlier been run out of Jamestown, stands out as my favorite. Perhaps reprobate is too strong, but he was always at odds with authorities, and and saved my own direct ancestor Jonathan Hatch who later founded Barnstable, MA out of deep do doo. > > All of this really is on topic, believe it or not, for there are many more England>New England>Virginia>New England>Virginia connections than most of us realize. We would all do better to pursue those. > > Craig > > > On Oct 5, 2011, at 10:20 PM, Jim Bartlett wrote: > >> Craig >> >> I've tried every day, several methods, and have yet to find a way. I will keep trying and will let you know when I find it. In the meantime folks can use the hyperlink or bookmark the site after their Ancestry invite let's them in. >> >> Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! >> >> On Oct 5, 2011, at 4:53 PM, Craig Kilby <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Jim, >>> >>> I am on the MBW account for ancestry, and I cannot for the life of me find "Northern Neck of Virginia Families" under any search option for either public or private trees. Where am I going wrong? What are the exact steps one must take from the ancestry home page to get there? Please spell it out it detail, step by step. Many of did is (well, myself at least) did poorly in math because the text books skipped over from step #1 straight to step #7, leaving out steps #2-6. My Calc tutor in college (yes, I needed a tutor) simply said when I asked him why this was, "Well. You're just supposed to know that." Hence why I needed a tutor. Bless his heart, he had the patience of Job with me. >>> >>> Of course I know how to access it, but I want to show my fellow volunteers how to get there from the library's account (which is no different than any private user.) >>> >>> Craig >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

David, I agree with Jim here. Anything in doubt should be run by the rootsweb tree. Explain what you did and why you did it. As Jim says, plenty of people will not be shy about giving their thoughts on the matter. I hope neither Jim nor David will object to my sending this out for peer review. The point is to share our work we do on the ancestry with the entire list. Even if they opt not to participate, many of them have done extensive research and may wish to help you on this or that line. Craig Begin forwarded message: > From: Jim Bartlett <[email protected]> > Date: October 5, 2011 11:21:14 PM EDT > To: DAVID BROWN <[email protected]> > Cc: Craig Kilby <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] OK - there is one hard NN Tree rule... > > David > > If there is any doubt or question about a relationship, I'd recommend posting it to the NN group, as many have done in the past. If some has reason to believe otherwise, I'm sure they won't be shy - that's the peer review. Also, even if something slips by for now, folks are likely to find it some day and bring it up for discussion. > > Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! > > On Oct 5, 2011, at 6:33 PM, DAVID BROWN <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> Thanks Jim. I see now the mistake I was making on this point. >> >> Another question for you both: I think one of you mentioned a peer review function, but I'm confused as to how this works if the participants on the tree do not see the changes. For example, I added parents and grandparents for Anne Morehead (who married Bartholomew Dameron) based on a bond record I found from Northumberland Co., VA as well as per the research of Alice Algood (who relied, I think on some of the research of Isabel Gough). Do I need to post to the NN List that I made these changes? >> >> Thanks! >> >> David >> >> >> >> From: Jim Bartlett <[email protected]> >> To: Craig Kilby <[email protected]> >> Cc: DAVID BROWN <[email protected]> >> Sent: Monday, October 3, 2011 7:55 AM >> Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] OK - there is one hard NN Tree rule... >> >> David/Craig >> >> I'd recommend using abt, bef, aft, etc as appropriate. I think they show up, as typed, on a persons page and on the pedigree charts. I recommend you print out a Pedigree Chart from time to time to see how your data will appear in that format; same for an Overview page or a family group sheet. >> >> Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! >> >> On Oct 3, 2011, at 8:36 AM, Craig Kilby <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I haven't had that problem BUT on the main person page only one date will show up. You have to click on that even to see the full entry as you typed it. You can always type in an explanation in the "description" box under any event. That is one feature I like. Craig >>> >>> On Oct 2, 2011, at 11:53 PM, DAVID BROWN wrote: >>> >>>> P.S. Dates such as old style/new style or using estimates such as "Bef" don't seem to work on this tree. Any suggestions??? >>> >> >>

Jim, all, This is the sort of thing I wish DIck Eastman would write about. I've never had any luck with his announcing new things going on in the Northern Neck. He doesn't much care for me because every Thanksgiving he writes some soppy story about the "Pilgrims" and the "First Thanksgiving" in Plymouth, and I remind him that (1) the first Thanksgiving was in Jamestown, VA long before the so-called Pilgrims ever blew off shore and ended up in Massachusetts on a big fat rock and (2) they never were called "Pilgrims" until the 1880s in some poem. The group of "Pilgrims were two complete separate groups composed of (1) Anglicans and (2) Separatists. And they settled the Plymouth Bay Colony, not the Massachusetts Bay Colony, which was settled ca 1630 by the "Puritans." The Puritans were Anglican with an Evangelical beat. They wanted to "purify" the Anglican Church. The Separatists, by contrast, simply wanted to -- well--separate. No happy talk about a city on a shining hill. There w! as nothing shiny about it. As I wrote above, their Separatist compatriots were of one stripe, and their financial backers and other "adventurers" were of the purest Anglican order. Well, not entirely pure. Of all the characters of the Plymouth Colony, Stephen Hopkins, a reprobate who had earlier been run out of Jamestown, stands out as my favorite. Perhaps reprobate is too strong, but he was always at odds with authorities, and and saved my own direct ancestor Jonathan Hatch who later founded Barnstable, MA out of deep do doo. All of this really is on topic, believe it or not, for there are many more England>New England>Virginia>New England>Virginia connections than most of us realize. We would all do better to pursue those. Craig On Oct 5, 2011, at 10:20 PM, Jim Bartlett wrote: > Craig > > I've tried every day, several methods, and have yet to find a way. I will keep trying and will let you know when I find it. In the meantime folks can use the hyperlink or bookmark the site after their Ancestry invite let's them in. > > Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! > > On Oct 5, 2011, at 4:53 PM, Craig Kilby <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Jim, >> >> I am on the MBW account for ancestry, and I cannot for the life of me find "Northern Neck of Virginia Families" under any search option for either public or private trees. Where am I going wrong? What are the exact steps one must take from the ancestry home page to get there? Please spell it out it detail, step by step. Many of did is (well, myself at least) did poorly in math because the text books skipped over from step #1 straight to step #7, leaving out steps #2-6. My Calc tutor in college (yes, I needed a tutor) simply said when I asked him why this was, "Well. You're just supposed to know that." Hence why I needed a tutor. Bless his heart, he had the patience of Job with me. >> >> Of course I know how to access it, but I want to show my fellow volunteers how to get there from the library's account (which is no different than any private user.) >> >> Craig >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Craig I've tried every day, several methods, and have yet to find a way. I will keep trying and will let you know when I find it. In the meantime folks can use the hyperlink or bookmark the site after their Ancestry invite let's them in. Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! On Oct 5, 2011, at 4:53 PM, Craig Kilby <[email protected]> wrote: > Jim, > > I am on the MBW account for ancestry, and I cannot for the life of me find "Northern Neck of Virginia Families" under any search option for either public or private trees. Where am I going wrong? What are the exact steps one must take from the ancestry home page to get there? Please spell it out it detail, step by step. Many of did is (well, myself at least) did poorly in math because the text books skipped over from step #1 straight to step #7, leaving out steps #2-6. My Calc tutor in college (yes, I needed a tutor) simply said when I asked him why this was, "Well. You're just supposed to know that." Hence why I needed a tutor. Bless his heart, he had the patience of Job with me. > > Of course I know how to access it, but I want to show my fellow volunteers how to get there from the library's account (which is no different than any private user.) > > Craig > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Penny, in the meantime, I would suggest just citing "Horton, [title of book, year] and page number" any what comments there are to be had from that source for the pertinent event. This at least gives the user a source to work from. In many cases, the source can be looked up in more detail and a better source ADDED to that. I put these in the description box for the event, because it is front and center on the page. I hope you will be brave enough to add the book as a source citation, though I have had problems with doing that. Remember, this is starting out as a "base line" data base. To that end, we have to start from somewhere. I may use Hayden as a source on some things simply because there is no other source than Hayden on some things. But I strive to make it clear that his source is not cited. (For example, marriage of William-1 Ball to Hannah Atherold. See my entry on the "description box" for the marriage event on how I handled that. In essence: "marriage date of _____ according to Hayden, p. ___, "in London" which is not proved. I wrote more explanation than that, but I make it clear what my source was and why it may be questionable. The little "description box" under an event is a good place to really sum things up in a short few sentences, or, on the other hand, provide a source such as a will or deed or bond or order book citation. Great to have you helping out, Penny. Craig On Oct 5, 2011, at 6:14 PM, Penny Alby wrote: > Craig, > Thank you for your thought provoking questions about using the Horton book > as a source. He cites some sources, even verbatim, but does not source > every individual. I will note original source whenever possible. I have > verified some of his sources and they have been consistent with his > information. I have found a few inconsistencies within the book, but they > are few. I may find more as I find more primary sources. Thank you for the > suggestion that I request further information from MBW. > Penny Nichols Alby > NN Families - Brent, Payne, Pinckard > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

OK everyone, This seems to have cause no end of confusion among many of our list members. I will try to explain this as simply as I can: (1) Send an email to Jm Bartlett at: [email protected] In your email to him, tell him you want to be invited as either an editor or a guest of the Northern Neck Families group on ancestry.com (I hope you'll sign up as an editor) a. This is FREE even if you do not have an account with ancestry.com. You can still edit and change and add things from your own computer. You can browse at will. b. If you DO have an ancestry.com account, you can link documents already on ancestry's database to this tree (2) Jim will process the request. You do nothing while he gets around to this, usually within the first day. He does have a day job. (3) ancestry.com will automatically send you an invite via email This part is out of his control. Usually within a few hours or even a day. Don't panic. (4) YOU MUST RESPOND TO THIS EMAIL. IT IS NOT JUNK MAIL. IT WILL HAVE A LINK IN THAT E-MAIL THAT YOU JUST CLICK ON. Click on the link and register for this group. This does NOT mean you are signing up for ancestry.com. Voila! You are in. No need to join ancestry.com. You can edit at will but you CAN NOT use ancestry.com "hints" to link documents. You MAY upload your own documents/pictures/stories if you wish. THAT'S IT! (5) Well, almost it. Save it to your favorite places so you can find it later and (6) Share experiences with using this rather clunky database--think of it as an on-line genealogical program like Family Tree Maker or Reunion--with this list or on our facebook page. This is a learning curve all the way around. Some are learning faster than others. For my own part, I gave Jim the "base line" database of nearly 1500 people all stemming from William-1 Ball, emigrant. Jim Bartlett has graciously allowed us to use his own ancestry.com to get this thing going. I for one thank him profusely. If this is still not clear, please ask away on the list. I apparently do not have the best skills at communicating. Or so I've been repeatedly told. Craig

Jim, I am on the MBW account for ancestry, and I cannot for the life of me find "Northern Neck of Virginia Families" under any search option for either public or private trees. Where am I going wrong? What are the exact steps one must take from the ancestry home page to get there? Please spell it out it detail, step by step. Many of did is (well, myself at least) did poorly in math because the text books skipped over from step #1 straight to step #7, leaving out steps #2-6. My Calc tutor in college (yes, I needed a tutor) simply said when I asked him why this was, "Well. You're just supposed to know that." Hence why I needed a tutor. Bless his heart, he had the patience of Job with me. Of course I know how to access it, but I want to show my fellow volunteers how to get there from the library's account (which is no different than any private user.) Craig

Jim, Many thanks for all you and others are doing to launch this. It will be a great asset to all of our collective research efforts. The Mary Ball Washington Museum & Library has its library committee on Oct 17th. I will strongly recommend we subscribe as editors to this at the meeting as an institution. I have already talked with Karen Hart, our Executive Director, about this, and I hope she has by now been sent an invitation. In the meantime, I will be sending out a personal email to all of the volunteers telling them about the project and how to contact you for their own personal invitation. Some will accept, a few others may think that computers will suck their brains out. Craig PS For you doubting Thomases....the only email I have received from ancestry.com as a result of being an editor but not having a PERSONAL ancestry.com account are when people have made updates to the database. Which is nice to know. It tells who me who was added, with dates of birth and death, but nothing else. Really kind of a waste of their time but I have not been flooded with emails from them. Their "trick" of course is to try to lure you in when you find a person of interest and they will immediately notify you of other links from THEIR web site where you can find them. Can't say it's all that invasive. On Oct 5, 2011, at 7:57 AM, Jim Bartlett wrote: > NNVF Tree info for all. > > All Editors of this tree are recognized by Ancestry and are linked specifically with this tree (and maybe others, by separate actions) with rights to add, change, delete - this includes people, records, stories, pictures, etc. even if you do not have an Ancestry subscription. If you do have a subscription, you can follow the Ancestry hints to other relatives (in other Ancestry trees), and hints to records in the Ancestry database - any and all of which you can then link to a person on our Tree. They are actually pretty good tools, but I don't want anyone to feel pressured by me to subscribe to ancestry (despite their tactics to lure you in) - we have a number of editors who are subscribers and any of us could, time permitting, find and attach an extant record for you - indeed, the Ancestry hint leaves point us to many of those records, and make them easy to attach. However, folks without an Ancestry subscription can attach any jpg or pdf or Word file (that they have on the! ir! > own PC) to individuals in the Tree and they can type in notes or stories, etc from scratch. There is a LOT the non-subscriber Editors can do to help build the NNVF Tree, and those with subscriptions can add on additional items found at Ancestry. > > Again - we have a great opportunity to build a robust, well-documented, peer-reviewed Tree. I think with our growing list of Editors, representing many NN family lines and treasure troves of documentation, we are well on our way. > > Congratulations to all for an enthusiastic start - it bodes well. > > Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! > > On Oct 3, 2011, at 12:54 PM, Craig Kilby <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Update here: >> >> There are now 19 editors on the anestry.com database for the Northern Neck. Most of the pros and cons are being debated on the new facebook page. Not all editors are on the facebook page. Our very own Kathleen Much has signed up as an editor, though she eschews facebook. This list is the place to post all additions and corrections, and to discuss why. >> >> To become a guest or an editor of the Northern Neck Families Group --for FREE--send an email to Jim Bartlett at >> >> [email protected] >> >> Janean Skiles reports that for those who already have an ancestry.com account, the new tree is now on line when searching for private trees, under the name of Northern Neck of Virginia Families. >> >> Craig >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message