Linda. This is a new twist. Elizabeth Kenner is not included in Hill's "Ball Outline" but as we've been discussing, there are some serious problems with this part of her book. I'll need to take another look at this. But this is great information, and many thanks for sharing it. Craig On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 10:58 AM, Linda Reno <lindareno@comcast.net> wrote: > For those who may be interested: > > Elizabeth Kenner, dau. of Rodham Kenner and Hannah Fox, married (1) Richard > Bushrod (d. 1711), son of Thomas B. (they had a son named Richard, b. > 1712); > (2) Robert Vaulx of Westmoreland Co. (Robert Vaulx and Elizabeth, his wife, > one of the daughters and legatees of Rodham Kenner, 8/21/1712) ; and (3) > Rev. Lawrence De Butts. In his will dated 1/18/1727, Richard Kenner > mentions his sister, Elizabeth DeButts. (CD 186, VA Genealogies #2). > > Rev. Lawrence DeButts was rector of St. George's Episcopal Church located > in > present-day Valley Lee, MD (St. Mary's County). He died in 1752 and > Elizabeth (Kenner) Bushrod/Vaulx/DeButts died in 1754. They had two > daughters. > > Descendants of Elizabeth Kenner > > > Generation No. 1 > > 1. ELIZABETH3 KENNER (RODHAM2, RICHARD1) was born Bef. 1692 in VA, and > died Abt. 1754 in St. Mary's Co., MD. She married (1) RICHARD BUSHROD Bef. > 1711 in VA. He was born Bef. 1691, and died 1711 in VA. She married (2) > ROBERT VAULX Bef. 1712. He was born Bef. 1692, and died Bef. 1727 in > Westmoreland Co., VA. She married (3) LAWRENCE DEBUTTS Bet. 1721 - 1726 in > VA, son of DEBUTTS. He was born Bef. 1692, and died Jul 1752 in St. Mary's > Co., MD. > > Child of ELIZABETH KENNER and RICHARD BUSHROD is: > i. RICHARD4 BUSHROD, JR., b. 1712, VA. > > > Child of ELIZABETH KENNER and ROBERT VAULX is: > ii. ROBERT4 VAULX, JR., b. Bef. 1727, Westmoreland Co., VA; d. > 1755, Westmoreland Co., VA. > > > Children of ELIZABETH KENNER and LAWRENCE DEBUTTS are: > iii. HANNAH4 DEBUTTS, b. Bef. 1736; d. Aft. 1777, St. Mary's > Co., > MD; m. JOHN ATTAWAY CLARKE, Bef. 1751, St. Mary's Co., MD; b. Bef. 1731, > St. > Mary's Co., MD; d. 1780, St. Mary's Co., MD. > iv. ELIZABETH DEBUTTS, b. Bef. 1738; d. Aft. 1753; m. ARTHUR > SINCLAIR, Bef. 1753, St. Mary's Co., MD; b. Bef. 1733; d. Aft. 1753, St. > Mary's Co., MD. > > Linda Reno > >

Brian, Starting a new thread because the other one is getting too long. Unless I "overlooked" it, I did not see the name of Joseph Chinn on this list. That is a very well documented record, from the Letter Book of Joseph Ball (original at NRA, film at MBW), nephew of Joseph-2 Ball, then living in England, with outrageously detailed instructions to Joseph Chinn on how to manage his Morattico Plantation and "The Forest" (now called Epping Forest) in Lancaster County, including extremely detailed instructions on what to do with with various slaves at various sites on the property. This was mostly in the 1743 forward time frame. This letter book, along with the Robert "King" Carter letters you are likely to find for the Northern Neck. If there are more, I am not aware of them. I hope there are. Craig

There are several King families not related, at least that we can prove on this side of the pond. Arthur King was the emigrant, and he had only two children as far as we know: Smith King and John King. Don King on this list has more information on them. But speaking of Robert "King" Carter, his voluminous letters are on line. One of the more interesting of them is about Dr. John Belfield of Richmond County, whom Carter fired for drugging his slaves and other outrages, at least according to Carter's side of the story. There has probably been more done on identifying doctors of the Northern Neck than overseers, but even that is not what it could be. Please keep us posted! Fascinating project you've come up with here. Craig On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Brian Conley <bridconley@aol.com> wrote: > Craig, > > This is great. Thank you for this. I look forward to plunging more into > the order books in the coming weeks. Who knows what I will find. > > Your layout of the information is also very clear and presents the > story well in a very economical way. I wonder if King is related to the > John King who was an overseer for Robert Carter I? > > Brian. >

Don, I'm not sure if I understand your comment completely. Which portion is "conjecture?" If the information has been "recorded," how is that different than being "passed down to us." I certainly don't want to include information in this overseer study which is incorrect. However, in many cases, editor additions from other documents help clarify documents whose information is limited. In these cases, it is all "recorded" and "passed down to us." In the case of Arthur King, it seems clear that something odd was going on. In his case, I would think clarifying the paradoxical behavior of the judges, his employer and female accuser would help exonerate him in the record. Overseers were many times asked to do unpleasant things at the bequest of their employers. Accepting the accusation of "fornication" outside of marriage seems like one such situation. As a descendant of at least one NN overseer and dozens of slaveholders, I understand the desire to be scrupulously neutral with the record whenever possible. However, following the story of the record leads us to the relationships that define our family lines. In such cases, clarifying and bringing to light the unpleasantness of the story is the only way to reach the identities of family who have hitherto remained unknown. I hope you will have the opportunity to review my entry for Arthur King as soon as I get this document up. I would love your feedback. Brian. -----Original Message----- From: King Donald E <donaldeking@me.com> To: va-northern-neck <va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, Oct 11, 2012 8:28 pm Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Arthur King, Overseer Since it is only conjecture, I do not think that we should record any more than what has been passed down to us. Arthur's many greats grandson - Don King

Craig, This is great. Thank you for this. I look forward to plunging more into the order books in the coming weeks. Who knows what I will find. Your layout of the information is also very clear and presents the story well in a very economical way. I wonder if King is related to the John King who was an overseer for Robert Carter I? Brian. -----Original Message----- From: Craig Kilby <persisto1@gmail.com> To: Northern Neck Northern Neck List <VA-NORTHERN-NECK@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:24 pm Subject: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Arthur King, Overseer Though Arthur King owned land in Westmoreland County, and married there to Mary Smith about 1688, his record as an overseer is found in Richmond County, and probably not in the way he would have liked to be remembered in this job--and for which he may well have been fired. Here's what happened in Richmond County court on 7 Jun 1699, (1) Margaret Jones, a servant of William Hammock, came into court and and "upon the Gospel of God made oath that Arthur King, overseer of the plantation of Daniel Swillivant, within this county is the true father of the bastard child late borne of her body." That's about as a direct of a statement as it can get. (2) Richard Hammock confessed a judgment to the church wardens of North Farnham Parish for 500 lbs. of tobacco in cask, that being the fine for committing the sin of fornication by Margaret Jones (3) Margaret Jones was ordered to serve Richard Hammock "or his assigns" an additional 1/2 year as compensation for the payment of her fine due to the parish for the sin of fornication. (4) Margaret Jones was ordered to serve her master William Hammock an additional year ------------------- There is no record of this child's birth in King's transcript of the North Farnham Parish register, at least under the name of Margaret Jones where one would expect to find it. What is somewhat curious is why Richard Hammock is paying the fine instead William Hammock, her master. Unless it was to increase her time of servitude. Or unless he was the real father. In another case about this same time, but not in the Northern Neck, a similar case was heard. While nobody was directly named as the father, the young maiden's fine was paid by one William Avery in lieu of her taking umpteen lashes on the bare back. As always with these types of records, nothing is ever as it may at first appear. If Arthur King really was the father, he would probably have lost his job as an overseer, whose responsibility it would have been to PREVENT exactly this sort of thing, and certainly not to be the cause of it. I've recently made several additions to Arthur King's (d. 1718, Westmoreland County) record on our NN ancestry tree, reflecting this is as well as some of his immigration records (which, of course, conflict. I'll talk about that later but in the meantime you can view his data on the tree.) Craig ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Gwen, This is terrific and exactly what I need. Park Quarter is in Stafford County. Robert Carter I (1663-1732) left Park Quarter to his son George. It came to Landon Carter in 1741 after George's death. Sumerduck is certainly in Fauquier today. Because it is outside my study at the moment, I'm not sure if it crossed over into other counties while William Legg was at Park Quarter. According to Landon Carter's will (1770/1779), the heirs of his Sumerduck tract changed many times before Landon Carter's death.The tract was approximately 1000 acres. By May 3, 1776, Leonard Hill was overseer at Park Quarter and John Bethel at Sumerduck. Initially, Sumerduck was bequeathed by Landon Carter to a son of Robert Hamilton: "And also that tract of land on Summer Duck Run which I have hereinafter given to Robert Hamilton son of the late Gilbert Hamilton to be accepted if either of the said Tracts shall be in either Fauquier, Prince William,Fairfax or Loudoun Counties." But Landon had doubts about the son of Hamilton: "Item 10th. I intend to have given to Robert Hamilton Son of the late Gilbert Hamilton that tract of land which I purchased of Tobias Pursell lying and being on Summer duck Run in which soever County it may be, together with six young working slaves one third to be females, to be provided then two years after my decease by all my Sons in the same proportion that they are directed to pay their Sister’s Legacies. I say I intended this Legacy to the said Robert Hamilton and his heirs forever; but having seen every good purpose of this my intention in great danger of being affected through the weakness of his mother in keeping him at home to loiter and mispend his time without the last Chance of improving himself to take care of (perhaps) all that he will ever have upon, I will now attempt to take that case for him. Therefore I hereby desire the said six Slaves to be purchased within two years after my decease by my sons as before mentioned and their increase unto the said tract of land lying and being [fold - most of line illegible] that the said land and Slaves go first to the said Robert Hamilton as soon as he arrives to the age of twenty one years after my death, for and during his natural life and after his decease the said lands and slaves, together with their increase, to descend to the heirs of his Body lawfully begotten, and from want of such the said land to descend to my son Robert and his heirs forever, but the said Slaves and those with all their increase to return to my said three Sons Robert, Landon and John and their heirs forever in the same proportion as they are directed to purchase the said Slaves (that is) Robert one half of all the Slaves and their increase, Landon one fourth and John one fourth of the said Slaves and their increase." Next, in a codicil, he totally revokes his earlier bequest: "Item. I do revoke the Bequest and Devise in my said Will to Robert Hamilton totally and I give and devise the tract of land called the Summer duck tract to my Son Robert Wormley Carter and his heirs. The Slaves intended to be annexed to the said Land had that Division taken place in my said Will are to be divided as I have directed my other Slaves to go to my said Sons. In Testimony of this being my Codicil I have hereinto set my hand and seal the 5th day of October 1774." Then follows another codicil, detailing more changes: "And as to the devise of my aforesaid Summer duck tract of land and Slaves to Mr. Robert Hamilton, I think it prudent to let such a grandson follow his own inclinations and absolve to his [illegible] according to his expressed declaration to me when I was sincerely admonishing of his idle Course of life. Theretofore I entirely revoke by this my Codicil every devise to be met with in [illegible] my aforesaid Will and former codicil [illegible] to that Gentleman reserving to myself if it abates in folly to make some less weighty present to him. And as to the aforesaid Summer duck tract of land together with the slaves seated upon the the same I hereby give and devise the same to my grandson George Carter (son of my said Robert Wormley Carter) and his heirs forever." And then, once more in the same codicil to the codicil, in case Carter hadn't been clear: "I hereby direct that my aforesaid Summer duck tract of land in case of the death of my aforesaid Grandson George Carter before me Shall go to and I hereby in that want give the same to my said Robert Wormeley Carter his heirs forever, but as to the aforesaid Slaves on the said Summer duck tract of land and also those twenty young Labouring Slaves directed hereby to be placed upon the aforesaid Leesburg tract of land in case of the death of my aforesaid Grandson George Carter before me, I order that they be thrown into the division of my Slaves as directed by my aforesaid Will, and go to my aforesaid three Sons, agreeable to such direction." This kind of waffling makes it necessary for us to stay on our toes, I suppose. Brian -----Original Message----- From: Gwen Boyer Bjorkman <gwenbj@seanet.com> To: va-northern-neck <va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sat, Oct 13, 2012 7:22 pm Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Overseers of the Northern Neck Index Hi Brian: I have an ancestor, William Legg, that was an overseer for Landon Carter, but I do not see his name on your list. I do not know where the Park Quarter was located. I think Summerduck is in Fauquier Co. Thank you so much for this great project you are working on. Gwen Boyer Bjorkman gwenbj@seanet.com Jack P. Greene, The Diary of Col. Landon Carter of Sabine Hall 1752-1778 (University Press of Virginia, 1965) Vol: 1:883, 892. === 1774 24. Monday Nat returned yesterday morning. Colo. Carter has put Jno. Bethel in Possession of my Summer duck land to keep off Harris and Keith, the escheatmaster; and as he recommends the seating it immediately, I sent up Postilion Sam this morning, with a letter to Colo. Carter to send with him Sam and Kit, the two boys Montjoy had, but returned; and a wench from the Park Quarter to cook and wash for them. Wrote to Bethel at the same; and to Wm. Legg, my Park overseer. === 1774 3 Saturday. William Legg, my Park overseer, came down with his waggon and hogs. He brought but 16, though he set off with 20; 3 of them run back and one he ordered to be killed as it walked limping for his own allowance in part and desired Pat. Hendrick to weigh it. 6 reserved for Colo. Carter, 4 for Summer duck overseer, and 3 for his remainder for allowance so that this accounts for 10 of the 40 still alive on the Plantation. === I rode out with this man round my plantation; he expresses himself much [sur]prized and confesses they do not work at all in his parts; here he sees all tobacco hills made, Corn almost got in, and a vast quantity ground to what they tend, and yet not a cart; and he is resolved to go back with the greatest resolution to diligence. === >From hence I will hope as there seems to be something honest in the man, that I shall at last get one on whom I can depend for obeying orders; And 'tis only such an one I want. It seems the 6 hogs were really a timely Present; for the liberty given to all the people ever under that particular care are constantly abusing him by the freedom this liberty produces and it seems there were but few hogs to kill besides the Present. === My son's eyes have at last got open and he has given orders to this Legg to get him a ten pound a year man to manage his gang up there. I do suppose this will naturally breed a great Coldness; but if it is not done I know when the Coldness will be most sensibly felt; for as things have gone on in a few years more the whole Estate must be sold. === Still gathering corn. I will hope the crop will turn out tolerable well, though really many thousands have perished by means of the excessive drowth. === Legg is to get his tobacco ground as hilled by the last of February; and all his corn ground hoed and hilled by the last of March; he will do it if it be possible; and I have shewn him that it may be done. === > Below is the index for a survey of plantation overseers in the Northern > Neck from settlement to 1800. The full document will be provided next > week and will provide abstracted information for each name, including: > > Overseer name (age; residence; personal notes): job location; acreage > of job estate; employer; labor force; estimated employment period. > RECORD—source; title; date recorded. > > Please help me proof this index list, if you can, and see if I missed > any one you know of who was a plantation overseer in the NNeck during > this period. If you find a missing name, please be kind enough to pass > the name to me with citation that includes as much of the above > information as possible. At the very least, name of overseer, name of > employer and/or estate, and year. > > This list does not include overseers of roads/highways, overseers of > the poor, or overseers of wills. The counties included are > Northumberland, Lancaster, Old Rappahannock [north of Rappahannock > River], Westmoreland, Richmond, Stafford and King George. > > There are still many documents left for me to examine, but this is a > start, at least. So far, there are nearly 400 names. Based on the > number of slaves on the NNeck, this is only a portion that would have > been required during this time period. > > Thanks to anyone, in advance, that has time to give this index a look. > > Brian > > - - - - - - - - > > Index of Plantation Overseers of the Northern Neck of Virginia > from settlement to 1800 > > Compiled and Edited by: B. Douglas Conley > > All names are listed with a source code. Definitions for the source > code are found in a source list at the end of this index. > > The following index identifies Northern Neck overseers in three > categories.: > > 1. Confirmed Overseers: These names are clearly identified as > professional overseers within primary source records, usually > identified with their employer, date of employment and location of > employment. > 2. Confirmed Slave Overseers: These names are clearly identified as > slaves as well as plantation overseers in primary source records. This > category has few listings to date, but will grow more substantially as > research continues. > 3. Possible Overseers: These names are drawn from collections > abstracted with minimal information, therefore some names follow the > pattern of overseer correspondence, residency and managerial > responsibility but are absent the title name “overseer” in the record > or abstract entry. Only examination of the complete original records > will determine their overseer status more definitively. > > Symbols: > *=possible overseer. > **= slave overseer. > > Index Format: > Last name, First name: Source code; > > > Confirmed Overseers > > [How?], Benjamin: RI; [Martin?], Richard: RI; Adams, James: FBG; > Alexander, Fielding: FBG; Ambrose, John.: RI; Ambrose, Joseph: RI; > Anderson, Joseph: FBG; Angel, William: LC; Armour, Mr.: LC; Asbury, > Richard: FBG; Asbury, Richard: RI; Ashby, Robert: FBG; Atkinson, John: > FBG; Atwell, William: FBG; Ball, William: LC; Bates, Robert: LCII; > Beale, John Eustace LC; Beale, William: LC; Beazley, Richard: FBG; > Bell, Lewis: FBG; Bennehan, Geo.: RI; Berrick, Newby: FBG; Billings, > Solomon: LC; Blackburn, Charles: NV; Bragg, Joseph: RI; Brand, > Murphy: RCI; Branson, Vincent T. : FBG; Brinnum, George: FBG; Brooke, > Thomas: RI; Brown, James: LC; Brown, Richard: FBG; Bruce, James: FBG; > Bruce, James: KGWB; Brukey, Peter: RI; Bryan, Jeremiah: RCI; Bryant, > James: RI; Bryant, Robert: RI; Buckles, John: RCI; Burchell, Nathan: > KGWB; Burke, Grave: FBG; Bynd, George: RCI; Cambell, Charles: RCI; > Canton, Mark: JM; Cary, John: RCI; Chamberlane, Curtis: FBG; > Churchill, Simon: LC; Churchill, Simon: RWC; Clark, Wm.: WE; > Clarkston, Thomas: FBG; Clemens, Richard: RI; Clusky, James: FBG; > Coakley, FNU: CS; Cole, John: RCI; Crane, Wm.: RCI; Crowder, > Ezericum: RCI; Crowder, Mr.: LC; Crowder, Thos.: RCI; Curtis, Thos.: > RCI; Dale, Geo.: RI; Dale, Joseph: RI; Dargan, Tim: RCI; Darnaby, > FNU: CY; Darnaby, William: FBG; Davis, Thomas: RI; Davis, William: > FBG; Dawson, Benjamin RCIII; Dayton, James: CS; Deatley, James: FBG; > Deatley, John: LCII; Deatly, James: FBG; Doleman, J.H.: FBG; Doleman, > John: LC; Donoway, Samuel: ST; Dozier, Joseph: LC; Dozier, Joseph: > RI; Dozier, Richard: RCIII; Dryas, Wm.: RCI; Dye, John: FBG; Edison, > Boyce: LC; Eskridge, Geo.: RI; Ferguson, John: JM; Ficklin, John D.: > FBG; Fisher, Mr.: LC; Florence, Joseph: LC; Franklin, Steward: FBG; > Freshwater, Tom: LC; Galloway, William: RCI; Garner, James: FBG; > George, a slave: LCII; Graham, William: JM; Green, Titus: Ri.; > Greenlaw, FNU: LC; Griffith, Owen: LC; Griggs, FNU: LC; Grigsby Jr., > William: FBG; Habron, George: RWC; Hall, William: FBG; Hamrick, > Benjamin: ST; Hanks, Joseph: RI; Harrison, Burr: ST; Harrison, > James: RCIII; Hazzard, Josiah: FBG; Hedgeman, Nathaniel: RCI; > Hedgman, Nathaniel: ST; Hews, Robert: RCI; Hicks, John: KGWB; Hill, > Leonard: LC; Howard, Jereboam: RI; Hurst, John: ST; Hurt, John: RCI; > Jefferson, Peter: ST; Jesse, Thomas: NV; Johnson, John: RCI; > Johnson, John: ST; Jones, Booth: JM; Jones, Charles: RCI; Jones, > Robert: RCI; King, Arthur: RI; King, John: LC; Knight, B.: FBG; > Laughlin, James: FBG; Lawrence, Henry: RCI; Lawson, William: LC; > Lewis, John: RI; LNU, FNU: ST; Lock, Henry: KG; Mallory, Thomas: RI; > Markie, Edward: RI; Marshall, John: LCII; Mason, FNU: CS; Mason, > Henry: ST; Massey, Sigismund: KGWB; McCarty, Dennis: RI; McClenahan, > William: FBG; McGrigor, John: RCI; McKenny, Joseph: RWC; Meeks, > Richard RI; Miller, Daniel: FBG; Miller, Francis: LCII; Miller, > Simon: FBG; Minor, Elliott T.: FBG; Mitchell, Adam: FBG; Monroe, > Andrew: FBG; Montgomery, James: FBG; Moore, Daniel: RI; Morgan, > Daniel: FBG; Morris, Charles: FBG; Morris, Ewell: FBG; Morriss, > Charles: RI; Mothershead, FNU: FBG; Mothershead, Richard: FBG; Muse, > Sandford: RI; Muse, Sanford: RI; Muse, Thomas, Sr.: FBG; Nash, > Solomon: RCIII; Oliff, Thomas: FBG; Olive, William: RI; Omohondro, > Richard: FBG; Orden, John: RCI; Oroeno, John: KG; Packet, Richard: > RI; Payne, Charles: FBG; Payne, John: FBG; Payne, William J.: FBG; > Peters, James: RCI; Pimet, FNU: ST; Pope, John: FBG; Pope, Laurence: > FBG; Porter, William: RI; Pour, Alexander: RCI; Purcell, James: LC; > Quisenbury, John: DP; Rainey, James: FBG; Redman, Mr.: FBG; Redman, > Patrick: DP; Reynolds, Benj.n: RI; Reynolds, William: RI; Rigg, > Jonathan: FBG; Riley, John; Rogers, FNU: KGWB; Saddler, William: RI; > Sallard, Simon: RCI, JC; Savage, James: JM; Seben, James: RCI; > Selfe, John: LC; Seward, Nicholas: JM; Shackleford, Richard L.: FBG; > Shaddock, James: FBG; Sibly, John: RCI; Sisson, Richard: RI; Smith, > James: FBG; Spurling, William: FBG; Stone, William: FBG; Storke, > William: FBG; Stott, Oliver: RI; Straughan, Samuel Lamking: RCIII; > Strawn, Samuel L.: RI; Strother, John: FBG; Strother, William: RI; > Sullen, Richard: RI; Sullivan, Daniel: RCIII; Sullivan, Dennis: RCI; > Sutton, Jesse: RI; Talken, Thos.: RCI; Thompson, Richard: WC; > Thrailkild, Wm.: RCI; Thrift, George: FBG; Tiffy, Pope: FBG; Tombs, > Edmond: RI; Torbutt, William: JM; Turner, Thomas: FBG; Walker, John: > [RCI; Ward, John: FBG; Weaver, Thomas: FBG; Webb, John: RCI; Weir, > Henry: ST; West, Thos.: RCI; Whaley, Gibson: FBG; Whaley, James RCI; > Wheeland, William: JM; Wilson, John: LCII; Withers, Thomas: FBG; > Wrenn, Thomas: RCI. > > Confirmed Slave Overseers > > **[?], Elisha: RI; **[?], Michael: RI; > > Possible Overseers > > *[?], John: RI; *[?], Tho.: RI; *[Free?], Clemt.: ND; *[Hall?], > William: RI; *[How?], Thomas: RI; *[Kent?], Chas.: ND; *[Moore?], > Vincent: RI; *[Pechy?], W.: RI; *[Rust? Peck?], [?]: RI; *[Tombs?], > Edmund: RI; *[Truldoe?], Robert: RI; *Abrams, Francis: RI; *Abrams, > Solomon: RI; *Alicks, John: RI; *Alloway, William: RI; *Appleby, > Richard: RI; *Asbury, James G.: RI; *Astin, William: RI; *Austin, B: > WE; *Barnett, James: RI; *Beale, William, Jun.r: RI; *Beale, Wm., > Jr.: RI; *Bean, Peter: LN; *Beddoe, Lawrence: RI; *Bencham, George: > RI; *Benneham, George: RI; *Berrick, Griffin G.: RI; *Berrick, Griffin: > RI; *Berrick, Reubin: RI; *Berry, Thomas: ND; *Bincham, George: RI; > *Brewer, William: ND; *Brooke, Edmond: RI; *Brooke, Henry: RI; *Brown, > Vincent: ND; *Bryant, Thadeus: RI; *Butlar, William: RI; *Carter, > George: RI; *Clark, [James?]: RI; *Clark, Robt: RI; *Clarke, Robert: > RI; *Clarke, Thomas: RI; *Clater, Richard: RI; *Connaly, John: RI; > *Cox, James: RI; *Crookhorn, Thomas: RI; *Dale, William: RI; *Davis, > Peter: RI; *Dawson, John: RI; *Deatley, John: WE; *Dennes, Harry: RI; > *Dobyns, Charles: RI; *Douglas, William: RI; *Dozier, Conway: RI; > *Dozier, Joseph: RI; *Dunaway, Charles: RI; *Edwards, George: RI; > *Edwards, Richd: ND; *Eidson, William: RI; *Eliffe, George: RI; > *Fielding, Jos.: ND; *Figgett, John: RI; *Fisher, William: RI; *Foot, > Robert: RI; *Galle, W.: LN; *Garland, Griffin: RI; *Gill, James: RI; > *Glascock, John: RI; *Griffin, John: RI; *Haden, Thomas: RI; *Hague, > James: RI; *Hall, Peter: RI; *Hamilton, Robert: RI; *Harford, Henny: > RI; *Harford, William: RI; *Harris, William: RI; *Harrison, [Louell?]: > WE; *Harrison, James: RI; *Harrison, Lovell: WE; *Headley, John: RI; > *Hennage, Reubin: RI; *Hill, Francis: RI; *Holborne, William: RI; > *How, John, Jr.: RI; *How, John, Jun.r: RI; *How, John: RI; *Hubbard, > Elias: LN; *Humphris, Griffin: ND; *Hunton, Robt: RI; *Jackson, > Daniel: RI; *James, [Juane?]: LN; *Jasper, Richard: RI; *Jenkins, > William: RI; *Jones, Charles: RI; *Jones, Edward: RI; *Jones, Jekyll: > RI; *Jones, Thomas: RI; *Jones, William: RI; *Kelsick, Samuel: RI; > *Kent, Wm.:ND; *Kirk, Jno.: RI; *Kirk, John: RI; *Lewis, John: RI; > *Lorrimore, Jas.: ND; *Lyall, Joseph: RI; *Mahon, James: RI; *Mallory, > Thomas: RI; *Marks, Edw.d: RI; *Marties, William: RI; *Mase, Simon: RI; > *Mays, Simon: RI; *McCain, [Rotoish?]: ND; *McCarty, Bartholemew: RI; > *McCarty, Dennis: RI; *McCarty, Thad.s: RI; *McDaniel, George: RI; > *McKelsoe, [Robt?]: RI; *Moore, John: RI; *Morgan, Andrew: RI; *Morris, > Charles: RI; *Morton, James: RI; *Morton, Robert: RI; *Moxley, > Jeremiah: WE; *Moxley, Richard: RI; *Muse, Burquist: RI; *Muse, > Thomas: RI; *Nash, Newman: RI; *Newby, Ozwald: LC; *Newman, Vincent: > RI; *Newsome, William: RI; *Oliff, William: RI; *Oliffe, George: RI; > *Olive, Thomas: RI; *Olive, William: RI; *Owen, Augustine: RI; *Packet, > W.: RI; *Packett, William G.: RI; *Packett, William: RI; *Page, John: > RI; *Palmer, William, Jr.: RI; *Pinckard, Jno.: ND; *Pratt, John: RI; > *Pugh, Jesse: ND; *Pursell, Wm.: RI; *Raynolds, Robert: RI; *Raynolds, > William: RI; *Redman, Solomon: RI; *Reynolds, Robert: RI; *Reynolds, > Thomas: RI; *Reynolds, William: RI; *Robinson, Jesse: ND; *Rogers, > Edward: RI; *Rust, Peter: RI; *Rust, Peter: RI; *Rust, Samuel: RI; > *Sallard, Simon: RI; *Sandy, Uriah: RI; *Sanford, John G.: RI; > *Sanford, Richard: RI; *Scates, Joseph: RI; *Shackleford, Wm.: ND; > *Sharp, Zephaniah.: RI; *Short, Thomas: LN; *Sinclar, Rogers: ND; > *Sisson, Henry G.: RI; *Sisson, William: WE; *Smith, William W.: RI; > *Snow, Jno.: ND; *Snow, Spencer: ND; *Stephens, Geo.: RI; *Stephens, > Richard: LN; *Stephens, Thomas: RI; *Stone, Joshua: RI; *Stowers, > Coleman: RI; *Strother, William: RI; *Strowther, William: RI; *Sutton, > Jeremh: RI; *Sutton, Jeremiah: RI; *Sutton, Jose.h: RI; *Sydnor, John: > ND; *Tarkleson, Jos.: ND; *Teague, Newman: RI; *Terry, Benjamin: RI; > *Thomas, George: RI; *Thornton, Redman: RI; *Thornton, Robert: RI; > *Tignor, William: RI; *Turnbull, Alex.: ND; *Vina, George: RI; > *Walker, Daniel: ND; *Watson, James: RI; *Webb, George: RI; *Webb, > James, Jr.: RI; *Webb, Wm.: ND; *Whaley, William: RI; *White, John: > RI; *Wilcox, Jn.o: RI; *Wildy [Wiley?], Sterling: ND; *Williams, > George: RI; *Williams, John: RI; *Williams, Thomas: ND; *Williams, > William: RI; *Wilson, James: RI; *Wilson, Richard: RI; *Wilson, > Shelton: RI; *Woods, John: RI; *Wright, Benadick: RI; *Yeatman, Jesse: > RI; *Yeatman, Thomas: WE; *Yeatman, William: RI; *Yeatman, Wm.: RI. > > - - - - - - - - > > Sources: > > WMQ=William & Mary Quarterly > VMHB=Virginia Magazine of History and Biography > > [BF] Ball Family Papers, 1680-1785 > [CC] Charles Carter [1707-1764] papers > [CCC] Charles Carter of Corotoman [1732-1802] papers > • Papers of the Carter and Wellford Family of Sabine Hall 1650-1918 > [CS] Letters to Doctor Carmichael (1771-1831) & Son, 1816-1832 > [CY] Charles Yates (1728-1809) Letterbook, 1773-1783 > [DL] Dangerfield Lewis (1799-1854) papers > [DP] Daniel Payne (1728-ca 1796) Ledger Book, 1758-1764 > [FBG] Fredericksburg Historic Court Records, historiccourtrecords.org > [JC] John Carter (1689/90-1742) papers > • Swem Library Collection > [JM] John Mercer (1704-1768) papers > • Daily Journal of John Mercer, 1740 to 1768 > • Domestic and legal fee account book of John Mercer (1704-1768) > • Watkins, C. Malcom. The Cultural History of Marlborough, Virginia. > Washington, DC:
Smithsonian Institution Press, 1968. > [KG] King George Co., Virginia records > • King George Co., Virginia Will Book A-1, 1721-1752, 1780-1804 > • Abstracts of Meriwether Taliaferro will 1818/1825 > • King George Co., Virginia Order Book, 1721-1723 > • King George Co., Virginia, PPTax Lists, 1792, 1803 > [LC] Landon Carter of Sabine Hall [1710-1778] papers > • Landon Carter Plantation Diary > • annotations from Rhys Isaac: Landon Carter’s UnEasy Kingdom > [LCII] Landon Carter of Cleve [1851-1811] papers > • Crop Book of Landon Carter, son of Charles Carter, of Cleve, WMQ > [LN] Lancaster Co., Virginia records > • Lancaster Co., Virginia, PPTax Lists, 1786, 1800 > • Lancaster Co., Virginia, Land Lists, 1789, 1797 > [ND] Northumberland Co., Virginia records > • Mathew, Thomas, The Beginning, Progress, and Conclusion of Bacon's > Rebellion, 1675 & 1676 > • Northumberland Co., Virginia, PP Tax Lists, 1788, 1801 > [NV] Papers of Notable Virginia Families, 1763-1866 > • Washington Family Papers > [RCI] Robert Carter I (1663-1732) papers > • http://carter.lib.virginia.edu/public/Cbiodir.html > • http://carter.lib.virginia.edu/html/CD1723.mod.html > • 1732 Inventory of Robert Carter I, Letters to Robert Jones 1727-1729, > VMHB > [RCIII] Robert Carter III (1728-1804) papers > • Swem Library Collection > • annotations from Andrew Levy: The First Emancipator, 2005 > [RI] Richmond Co., Virginia records > • Richmond Co., Virginia, Order Book 3, 1699-1704 > • Richmond Co., Virginia, Orders, 1699-1701, p. 17-18. > • Richmond Co, Virginia Personal Property Tax Lists
1782-1797 > • Richmond County Will Book 5, page 152 > • Richmond County, Virginia, Land Tax Lists, 1782, 1787-1800 > [RWC] Robert Wormley Carter (1734-1797) papers > • The Daybook of Robert Wormeley Carter of Sabine Hall, 1766, VMHB > [ST] Stafford Co., Virginia records > • Personal Property Tax Records of Stafford Co. From 
1794-1807 > • Accokeek Furnace Business Ledger: 1749-1760 > • Nanzatico, VMHB > • Franklin, John Hope and Schweniger, Loren, Runaway Slaves
Rebels on > the Plantation, [Chap. 1] 2000 > • Stafford Co., Virginia, PPTax Lists, 1789, 1798 > [WE] Westmoreland Co., Virginia records > • Westmoreland Wills: Erwin, John, 10 April 1716; 30 May 1716. > • Westmoreland Co. Virginia Order Book, 1662-1664 > • Westmoreland Co., Virginia PPTax Lists, 1791, 1800 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

For those who may be interested: Elizabeth Kenner, dau. of Rodham Kenner and Hannah Fox, married (1) Richard Bushrod (d. 1711), son of Thomas B. (they had a son named Richard, b. 1712); (2) Robert Vaulx of Westmoreland Co. (Robert Vaulx and Elizabeth, his wife, one of the daughters and legatees of Rodham Kenner, 8/21/1712) ; and (3) Rev. Lawrence De Butts. In his will dated 1/18/1727, Richard Kenner mentions his sister, Elizabeth DeButts. (CD 186, VA Genealogies #2). Rev. Lawrence DeButts was rector of St. George's Episcopal Church located in present-day Valley Lee, MD (St. Mary's County). He died in 1752 and Elizabeth (Kenner) Bushrod/Vaulx/DeButts died in 1754. They had two daughters. Descendants of Elizabeth Kenner Generation No. 1 1. ELIZABETH3 KENNER (RODHAM2, RICHARD1) was born Bef. 1692 in VA, and died Abt. 1754 in St. Mary's Co., MD. She married (1) RICHARD BUSHROD Bef. 1711 in VA. He was born Bef. 1691, and died 1711 in VA. She married (2) ROBERT VAULX Bef. 1712. He was born Bef. 1692, and died Bef. 1727 in Westmoreland Co., VA. She married (3) LAWRENCE DEBUTTS Bet. 1721 - 1726 in VA, son of DEBUTTS. He was born Bef. 1692, and died Jul 1752 in St. Mary's Co., MD. Child of ELIZABETH KENNER and RICHARD BUSHROD is: i. RICHARD4 BUSHROD, JR., b. 1712, VA. Child of ELIZABETH KENNER and ROBERT VAULX is: ii. ROBERT4 VAULX, JR., b. Bef. 1727, Westmoreland Co., VA; d. 1755, Westmoreland Co., VA. Children of ELIZABETH KENNER and LAWRENCE DEBUTTS are: iii. HANNAH4 DEBUTTS, b. Bef. 1736; d. Aft. 1777, St. Mary's Co., MD; m. JOHN ATTAWAY CLARKE, Bef. 1751, St. Mary's Co., MD; b. Bef. 1731, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. 1780, St. Mary's Co., MD. iv. ELIZABETH DEBUTTS, b. Bef. 1738; d. Aft. 1753; m. ARTHUR SINCLAIR, Bef. 1753, St. Mary's Co., MD; b. Bef. 1733; d. Aft. 1753, St. Mary's Co., MD. Linda Reno -----Original Message----- From: va-northern-neck-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:va-northern-neck-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Craig Kilby Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 1:36 PM To: va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] "Ball Outline" -- Corrections Part 2: FOXFAMILY Janean, it's all on the Ancestry tree and clearly explained as to who is whom, wills, etc. with documentation. To summarize: (all of these records are in Lancaster County) William-1 Ball and wife Hannah "Atherold." Both died testate. He in 1680 and she in 1695 Hannah-2 Ball (d 1709) m David-2 Fox (d 1702, son of David-1 Fox, d 1670). Both died testate. Three surviving children (not five) William -3 Fox, d testate in 1719, m. Ann-2 Chinn (John-1) His will names sisters Hannah Spellman (his blood sister), Catherine Heale (his wife's sister) and Ann Fox (his brother's wife), and a daughter Mary (his only child), and nephew David Fox (son of his brother Samuel Fox) Samuel-3 Fox, d. testate 1712. Married Ann Daingerfield. Two children, including son David Fox who is named as nephew in the will of William-3 Fox Hannah-3 Fox, m (1) Rodham Kenner, d. 1706 and (2) Clement Spellman. I don't know where you got Spencer Mottrom as her husband. I think your confusing her with with Hannah-2 Fox, sister of David-2, who married JOHN Mottrom. Hope this clears things up. Also you need to straighten out the Elizabeth Fox who you show as married as Jeduthan Ball. I won't go into that here, but please consult the ancestry tree for a more accurate picture of things. That's why it's there. Craig On Oct 7, 2012, at 1:15 PM, Janean Ray wrote: > I am confused. Which is no big surprise. You wrote: > > In Margaret Hill's book "Ball Families of the Virginia's Northern Neck, An > Outline" (commonly called "Ball Outline"), with regard to the children of > David-2 Fox (David-1) and Hannah-317 Ball (Joseph-2, William-1) > > With respect to David-2Fox's wife Hannah Ball. I show that she is the > daughter of William-1 as she is mentioned in his will. > > COLONEL WILLIAM1 BALL, "of ye County of Lancaster in Rapp.," b. cir 1615; d. > "Millenbeck," Lancaster county, Va., Nov., 1680. Will dated Oct. 15, 1680; > pro. Lanc. > > Item, I give unto my Daughter Hannah now ye Wife of Capt David ffox only > five shillings Sterling Which is an Overplus both of her portion and > Deserts. > > Her brother Joseph-2 Ball and Elizabeth "Romney" had a daughter Hannah who I > show as m. to Rawleigh Travers and Simon Pearson > > David-2 and Hannah's daughter Hannah Fox I show as m. to Spencer Mottrom > > I'm trying to figure out who you are talking about here. First for David-2 > I show no parents at all to start with so I'm trying to lookup and fix > whatever I might have wrong in conjunction with your post.. Who is Samuel > Fox? > > Now, since I haven't strayed too terribly far off my own lines, I only have > David-2 Fox (according to you) Hannah Fox his daughter, Elizabeth Fox who > was married to Jeduthan Ball and no parents for her, and William Fox son of > David and Hannah Ball. > > So I don't have to worry about deleting any Ann or Catherine Fox because I > don't have them anyway. > > I do not have wills for either David or Hannah so it looks like I can get > those off the Tree., OK now I see who Samuel is. (I'm following your email > now to respond) > > I do show William Fox m. to Anne Chinn but have no will for him. I do have > Anne's will though. > > I am going to have to go through this with a fine tooth comb because I have > some of these people you mention and need to go back and connect the dots. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Brian: I have an ancestor, William Legg, that was an overseer for Landon Carter, but I do not see his name on your list. I do not know where the Park Quarter was located. I think Summerduck is in Fauquier Co. Thank you so much for this great project you are working on. Gwen Boyer Bjorkman gwenbj@seanet.com Jack P. Greene, The Diary of Col. Landon Carter of Sabine Hall 1752-1778 (University Press of Virginia, 1965) Vol: 1:883, 892. === 1774 24. Monday Nat returned yesterday morning. Colo. Carter has put Jno. Bethel in Possession of my Summer duck land to keep off Harris and Keith, the escheatmaster; and as he recommends the seating it immediately, I sent up Postilion Sam this morning, with a letter to Colo. Carter to send with him Sam and Kit, the two boys Montjoy had, but returned; and a wench from the Park Quarter to cook and wash for them. Wrote to Bethel at the same; and to Wm. Legg, my Park overseer. === 1774 3 Saturday. William Legg, my Park overseer, came down with his waggon and hogs. He brought but 16, though he set off with 20; 3 of them run back and one he ordered to be killed as it walked limping for his own allowance in part and desired Pat. Hendrick to weigh it. 6 reserved for Colo. Carter, 4 for Summer duck overseer, and 3 for his remainder for allowance so that this accounts for 10 of the 40 still alive on the Plantation. === I rode out with this man round my plantation; he expresses himself much [sur]prized and confesses they do not work at all in his parts; here he sees all tobacco hills made, Corn almost got in, and a vast quantity ground to what they tend, and yet not a cart; and he is resolved to go back with the greatest resolution to diligence. === >From hence I will hope as there seems to be something honest in the man, that I shall at last get one on whom I can depend for obeying orders; And 'tis only such an one I want. It seems the 6 hogs were really a timely Present; for the liberty given to all the people ever under that particular care are constantly abusing him by the freedom this liberty produces and it seems there were but few hogs to kill besides the Present. === My son's eyes have at last got open and he has given orders to this Legg to get him a ten pound a year man to manage his gang up there. I do suppose this will naturally breed a great Coldness; but if it is not done I know when the Coldness will be most sensibly felt; for as things have gone on in a few years more the whole Estate must be sold. === Still gathering corn. I will hope the crop will turn out tolerable well, though really many thousands have perished by means of the excessive drowth. === Legg is to get his tobacco ground as hilled by the last of February; and all his corn ground hoed and hilled by the last of March; he will do it if it be possible; and I have shewn him that it may be done. === > Below is the index for a survey of plantation overseers in the Northern > Neck from settlement to 1800. The full document will be provided next > week and will provide abstracted information for each name, including: > > Overseer name (age; residence; personal notes): job location; acreage > of job estate; employer; labor force; estimated employment period. > RECORD—source; title; date recorded. > > Please help me proof this index list, if you can, and see if I missed > any one you know of who was a plantation overseer in the NNeck during > this period. If you find a missing name, please be kind enough to pass > the name to me with citation that includes as much of the above > information as possible. At the very least, name of overseer, name of > employer and/or estate, and year. > > This list does not include overseers of roads/highways, overseers of > the poor, or overseers of wills. The counties included are > Northumberland, Lancaster, Old Rappahannock [north of Rappahannock > River], Westmoreland, Richmond, Stafford and King George. > > There are still many documents left for me to examine, but this is a > start, at least. So far, there are nearly 400 names. Based on the > number of slaves on the NNeck, this is only a portion that would have > been required during this time period. > > Thanks to anyone, in advance, that has time to give this index a look. > > Brian > > - - - - - - - - > > Index of Plantation Overseers of the Northern Neck of Virginia > from settlement to 1800 > > Compiled and Edited by: B. Douglas Conley > > All names are listed with a source code. Definitions for the source > code are found in a source list at the end of this index. > > The following index identifies Northern Neck overseers in three > categories.: > > 1. Confirmed Overseers: These names are clearly identified as > professional overseers within primary source records, usually > identified with their employer, date of employment and location of > employment. > 2. Confirmed Slave Overseers: These names are clearly identified as > slaves as well as plantation overseers in primary source records. This > category has few listings to date, but will grow more substantially as > research continues. > 3. Possible Overseers: These names are drawn from collections > abstracted with minimal information, therefore some names follow the > pattern of overseer correspondence, residency and managerial > responsibility but are absent the title name “overseer” in the record > or abstract entry. Only examination of the complete original records > will determine their overseer status more definitively. > > Symbols: > *=possible overseer. > **= slave overseer. > > Index Format: > Last name, First name: Source code; > > > Confirmed Overseers > > [How?], Benjamin: RI; [Martin?], Richard: RI; Adams, James: FBG; > Alexander, Fielding: FBG; Ambrose, John.: RI; Ambrose, Joseph: RI; > Anderson, Joseph: FBG; Angel, William: LC; Armour, Mr.: LC; Asbury, > Richard: FBG; Asbury, Richard: RI; Ashby, Robert: FBG; Atkinson, John: > FBG; Atwell, William: FBG; Ball, William: LC; Bates, Robert: LCII; > Beale, John Eustace LC; Beale, William: LC; Beazley, Richard: FBG; > Bell, Lewis: FBG; Bennehan, Geo.: RI; Berrick, Newby: FBG; Billings, > Solomon: LC; Blackburn, Charles: NV; Bragg, Joseph: RI; Brand, > Murphy: RCI; Branson, Vincent T. : FBG; Brinnum, George: FBG; Brooke, > Thomas: RI; Brown, James: LC; Brown, Richard: FBG; Bruce, James: FBG; > Bruce, James: KGWB; Brukey, Peter: RI; Bryan, Jeremiah: RCI; Bryant, > James: RI; Bryant, Robert: RI; Buckles, John: RCI; Burchell, Nathan: > KGWB; Burke, Grave: FBG; Bynd, George: RCI; Cambell, Charles: RCI; > Canton, Mark: JM; Cary, John: RCI; Chamberlane, Curtis: FBG; > Churchill, Simon: LC; Churchill, Simon: RWC; Clark, Wm.: WE; > Clarkston, Thomas: FBG; Clemens, Richard: RI; Clusky, James: FBG; > Coakley, FNU: CS; Cole, John: RCI; Crane, Wm.: RCI; Crowder, > Ezericum: RCI; Crowder, Mr.: LC; Crowder, Thos.: RCI; Curtis, Thos.: > RCI; Dale, Geo.: RI; Dale, Joseph: RI; Dargan, Tim: RCI; Darnaby, > FNU: CY; Darnaby, William: FBG; Davis, Thomas: RI; Davis, William: > FBG; Dawson, Benjamin RCIII; Dayton, James: CS; Deatley, James: FBG; > Deatley, John: LCII; Deatly, James: FBG; Doleman, J.H.: FBG; Doleman, > John: LC; Donoway, Samuel: ST; Dozier, Joseph: LC; Dozier, Joseph: > RI; Dozier, Richard: RCIII; Dryas, Wm.: RCI; Dye, John: FBG; Edison, > Boyce: LC; Eskridge, Geo.: RI; Ferguson, John: JM; Ficklin, John D.: > FBG; Fisher, Mr.: LC; Florence, Joseph: LC; Franklin, Steward: FBG; > Freshwater, Tom: LC; Galloway, William: RCI; Garner, James: FBG; > George, a slave: LCII; Graham, William: JM; Green, Titus: Ri.; > Greenlaw, FNU: LC; Griffith, Owen: LC; Griggs, FNU: LC; Grigsby Jr., > William: FBG; Habron, George: RWC; Hall, William: FBG; Hamrick, > Benjamin: ST; Hanks, Joseph: RI; Harrison, Burr: ST; Harrison, > James: RCIII; Hazzard, Josiah: FBG; Hedgeman, Nathaniel: RCI; > Hedgman, Nathaniel: ST; Hews, Robert: RCI; Hicks, John: KGWB; Hill, > Leonard: LC; Howard, Jereboam: RI; Hurst, John: ST; Hurt, John: RCI; > Jefferson, Peter: ST; Jesse, Thomas: NV; Johnson, John: RCI; > Johnson, John: ST; Jones, Booth: JM; Jones, Charles: RCI; Jones, > Robert: RCI; King, Arthur: RI; King, John: LC; Knight, B.: FBG; > Laughlin, James: FBG; Lawrence, Henry: RCI; Lawson, William: LC; > Lewis, John: RI; LNU, FNU: ST; Lock, Henry: KG; Mallory, Thomas: RI; > Markie, Edward: RI; Marshall, John: LCII; Mason, FNU: CS; Mason, > Henry: ST; Massey, Sigismund: KGWB; McCarty, Dennis: RI; McClenahan, > William: FBG; McGrigor, John: RCI; McKenny, Joseph: RWC; Meeks, > Richard RI; Miller, Daniel: FBG; Miller, Francis: LCII; Miller, > Simon: FBG; Minor, Elliott T.: FBG; Mitchell, Adam: FBG; Monroe, > Andrew: FBG; Montgomery, James: FBG; Moore, Daniel: RI; Morgan, > Daniel: FBG; Morris, Charles: FBG; Morris, Ewell: FBG; Morriss, > Charles: RI; Mothershead, FNU: FBG; Mothershead, Richard: FBG; Muse, > Sandford: RI; Muse, Sanford: RI; Muse, Thomas, Sr.: FBG; Nash, > Solomon: RCIII; Oliff, Thomas: FBG; Olive, William: RI; Omohondro, > Richard: FBG; Orden, John: RCI; Oroeno, John: KG; Packet, Richard: > RI; Payne, Charles: FBG; Payne, John: FBG; Payne, William J.: FBG; > Peters, James: RCI; Pimet, FNU: ST; Pope, John: FBG; Pope, Laurence: > FBG; Porter, William: RI; Pour, Alexander: RCI; Purcell, James: LC; > Quisenbury, John: DP; Rainey, James: FBG; Redman, Mr.: FBG; Redman, > Patrick: DP; Reynolds, Benj.n: RI; Reynolds, William: RI; Rigg, > Jonathan: FBG; Riley, John; Rogers, FNU: KGWB; Saddler, William: RI; > Sallard, Simon: RCI, JC; Savage, James: JM; Seben, James: RCI; > Selfe, John: LC; Seward, Nicholas: JM; Shackleford, Richard L.: FBG; > Shaddock, James: FBG; Sibly, John: RCI; Sisson, Richard: RI; Smith, > James: FBG; Spurling, William: FBG; Stone, William: FBG; Storke, > William: FBG; Stott, Oliver: RI; Straughan, Samuel Lamking: RCIII; > Strawn, Samuel L.: RI; Strother, John: FBG; Strother, William: RI; > Sullen, Richard: RI; Sullivan, Daniel: RCIII; Sullivan, Dennis: RCI; > Sutton, Jesse: RI; Talken, Thos.: RCI; Thompson, Richard: WC; > Thrailkild, Wm.: RCI; Thrift, George: FBG; Tiffy, Pope: FBG; Tombs, > Edmond: RI; Torbutt, William: JM; Turner, Thomas: FBG; Walker, John: > [RCI; Ward, John: FBG; Weaver, Thomas: FBG; Webb, John: RCI; Weir, > Henry: ST; West, Thos.: RCI; Whaley, Gibson: FBG; Whaley, James RCI; > Wheeland, William: JM; Wilson, John: LCII; Withers, Thomas: FBG; > Wrenn, Thomas: RCI. > > Confirmed Slave Overseers > > **[?], Elisha: RI; **[?], Michael: RI; > > Possible Overseers > > *[?], John: RI; *[?], Tho.: RI; *[Free?], Clemt.: ND; *[Hall?], > William: RI; *[How?], Thomas: RI; *[Kent?], Chas.: ND; *[Moore?], > Vincent: RI; *[Pechy?], W.: RI; *[Rust? Peck?], [?]: RI; *[Tombs?], > Edmund: RI; *[Truldoe?], Robert: RI; *Abrams, Francis: RI; *Abrams, > Solomon: RI; *Alicks, John: RI; *Alloway, William: RI; *Appleby, > Richard: RI; *Asbury, James G.: RI; *Astin, William: RI; *Austin, B: > WE; *Barnett, James: RI; *Beale, William, Jun.r: RI; *Beale, Wm., > Jr.: RI; *Bean, Peter: LN; *Beddoe, Lawrence: RI; *Bencham, George: > RI; *Benneham, George: RI; *Berrick, Griffin G.: RI; *Berrick, Griffin: > RI; *Berrick, Reubin: RI; *Berry, Thomas: ND; *Bincham, George: RI; > *Brewer, William: ND; *Brooke, Edmond: RI; *Brooke, Henry: RI; *Brown, > Vincent: ND; *Bryant, Thadeus: RI; *Butlar, William: RI; *Carter, > George: RI; *Clark, [James?]: RI; *Clark, Robt: RI; *Clarke, Robert: > RI; *Clarke, Thomas: RI; *Clater, Richard: RI; *Connaly, John: RI; > *Cox, James: RI; *Crookhorn, Thomas: RI; *Dale, William: RI; *Davis, > Peter: RI; *Dawson, John: RI; *Deatley, John: WE; *Dennes, Harry: RI; > *Dobyns, Charles: RI; *Douglas, William: RI; *Dozier, Conway: RI; > *Dozier, Joseph: RI; *Dunaway, Charles: RI; *Edwards, George: RI; > *Edwards, Richd: ND; *Eidson, William: RI; *Eliffe, George: RI; > *Fielding, Jos.: ND; *Figgett, John: RI; *Fisher, William: RI; *Foot, > Robert: RI; *Galle, W.: LN; *Garland, Griffin: RI; *Gill, James: RI; > *Glascock, John: RI; *Griffin, John: RI; *Haden, Thomas: RI; *Hague, > James: RI; *Hall, Peter: RI; *Hamilton, Robert: RI; *Harford, Henny: > RI; *Harford, William: RI; *Harris, William: RI; *Harrison, [Louell?]: > WE; *Harrison, James: RI; *Harrison, Lovell: WE; *Headley, John: RI; > *Hennage, Reubin: RI; *Hill, Francis: RI; *Holborne, William: RI; > *How, John, Jr.: RI; *How, John, Jun.r: RI; *How, John: RI; *Hubbard, > Elias: LN; *Humphris, Griffin: ND; *Hunton, Robt: RI; *Jackson, > Daniel: RI; *James, [Juane?]: LN; *Jasper, Richard: RI; *Jenkins, > William: RI; *Jones, Charles: RI; *Jones, Edward: RI; *Jones, Jekyll: > RI; *Jones, Thomas: RI; *Jones, William: RI; *Kelsick, Samuel: RI; > *Kent, Wm.:ND; *Kirk, Jno.: RI; *Kirk, John: RI; *Lewis, John: RI; > *Lorrimore, Jas.: ND; *Lyall, Joseph: RI; *Mahon, James: RI; *Mallory, > Thomas: RI; *Marks, Edw.d: RI; *Marties, William: RI; *Mase, Simon: RI; > *Mays, Simon: RI; *McCain, [Rotoish?]: ND; *McCarty, Bartholemew: RI; > *McCarty, Dennis: RI; *McCarty, Thad.s: RI; *McDaniel, George: RI; > *McKelsoe, [Robt?]: RI; *Moore, John: RI; *Morgan, Andrew: RI; *Morris, > Charles: RI; *Morton, James: RI; *Morton, Robert: RI; *Moxley, > Jeremiah: WE; *Moxley, Richard: RI; *Muse, Burquist: RI; *Muse, > Thomas: RI; *Nash, Newman: RI; *Newby, Ozwald: LC; *Newman, Vincent: > RI; *Newsome, William: RI; *Oliff, William: RI; *Oliffe, George: RI; > *Olive, Thomas: RI; *Olive, William: RI; *Owen, Augustine: RI; *Packet, > W.: RI; *Packett, William G.: RI; *Packett, William: RI; *Page, John: > RI; *Palmer, William, Jr.: RI; *Pinckard, Jno.: ND; *Pratt, John: RI; > *Pugh, Jesse: ND; *Pursell, Wm.: RI; *Raynolds, Robert: RI; *Raynolds, > William: RI; *Redman, Solomon: RI; *Reynolds, Robert: RI; *Reynolds, > Thomas: RI; *Reynolds, William: RI; *Robinson, Jesse: ND; *Rogers, > Edward: RI; *Rust, Peter: RI; *Rust, Peter: RI; *Rust, Samuel: RI; > *Sallard, Simon: RI; *Sandy, Uriah: RI; *Sanford, John G.: RI; > *Sanford, Richard: RI; *Scates, Joseph: RI; *Shackleford, Wm.: ND; > *Sharp, Zephaniah.: RI; *Short, Thomas: LN; *Sinclar, Rogers: ND; > *Sisson, Henry G.: RI; *Sisson, William: WE; *Smith, William W.: RI; > *Snow, Jno.: ND; *Snow, Spencer: ND; *Stephens, Geo.: RI; *Stephens, > Richard: LN; *Stephens, Thomas: RI; *Stone, Joshua: RI; *Stowers, > Coleman: RI; *Strother, William: RI; *Strowther, William: RI; *Sutton, > Jeremh: RI; *Sutton, Jeremiah: RI; *Sutton, Jose.h: RI; *Sydnor, John: > ND; *Tarkleson, Jos.: ND; *Teague, Newman: RI; *Terry, Benjamin: RI; > *Thomas, George: RI; *Thornton, Redman: RI; *Thornton, Robert: RI; > *Tignor, William: RI; *Turnbull, Alex.: ND; *Vina, George: RI; > *Walker, Daniel: ND; *Watson, James: RI; *Webb, George: RI; *Webb, > James, Jr.: RI; *Webb, Wm.: ND; *Whaley, William: RI; *White, John: > RI; *Wilcox, Jn.o: RI; *Wildy [Wiley?], Sterling: ND; *Williams, > George: RI; *Williams, John: RI; *Williams, Thomas: ND; *Williams, > William: RI; *Wilson, James: RI; *Wilson, Richard: RI; *Wilson, > Shelton: RI; *Woods, John: RI; *Wright, Benadick: RI; *Yeatman, Jesse: > RI; *Yeatman, Thomas: WE; *Yeatman, William: RI; *Yeatman, Wm.: RI. > > - - - - - - - - > > Sources: > > WMQ=William & Mary Quarterly > VMHB=Virginia Magazine of History and Biography > > [BF] Ball Family Papers, 1680-1785 > [CC] Charles Carter [1707-1764] papers > [CCC] Charles Carter of Corotoman [1732-1802] papers > • Papers of the Carter and Wellford Family of Sabine Hall 1650-1918 > [CS] Letters to Doctor Carmichael (1771-1831) & Son, 1816-1832 > [CY] Charles Yates (1728-1809) Letterbook, 1773-1783 > [DL] Dangerfield Lewis (1799-1854) papers > [DP] Daniel Payne (1728-ca 1796) Ledger Book, 1758-1764 > [FBG] Fredericksburg Historic Court Records, historiccourtrecords.org > [JC] John Carter (1689/90-1742) papers > • Swem Library Collection > [JM] John Mercer (1704-1768) papers > • Daily Journal of John Mercer, 1740 to 1768 > • Domestic and legal fee account book of John Mercer (1704-1768) > • Watkins, C. Malcom. The Cultural History of Marlborough, Virginia. > Washington, DC:
Smithsonian Institution Press, 1968. > [KG] King George Co., Virginia records > • King George Co., Virginia Will Book A-1, 1721-1752, 1780-1804 > • Abstracts of Meriwether Taliaferro will 1818/1825 > • King George Co., Virginia Order Book, 1721-1723 > • King George Co., Virginia, PPTax Lists, 1792, 1803 > [LC] Landon Carter of Sabine Hall [1710-1778] papers > • Landon Carter Plantation Diary > • annotations from Rhys Isaac: Landon Carter’s UnEasy Kingdom > [LCII] Landon Carter of Cleve [1851-1811] papers > • Crop Book of Landon Carter, son of Charles Carter, of Cleve, WMQ > [LN] Lancaster Co., Virginia records > • Lancaster Co., Virginia, PPTax Lists, 1786, 1800 > • Lancaster Co., Virginia, Land Lists, 1789, 1797 > [ND] Northumberland Co., Virginia records > • Mathew, Thomas, The Beginning, Progress, and Conclusion of Bacon's > Rebellion, 1675 & 1676 > • Northumberland Co., Virginia, PP Tax Lists, 1788, 1801 > [NV] Papers of Notable Virginia Families, 1763-1866 > • Washington Family Papers > [RCI] Robert Carter I (1663-1732) papers > • http://carter.lib.virginia.edu/public/Cbiodir.html > • http://carter.lib.virginia.edu/html/CD1723.mod.html > • 1732 Inventory of Robert Carter I, Letters to Robert Jones 1727-1729, > VMHB > [RCIII] Robert Carter III (1728-1804) papers > • Swem Library Collection > • annotations from Andrew Levy: The First Emancipator, 2005 > [RI] Richmond Co., Virginia records > • Richmond Co., Virginia, Order Book 3, 1699-1704 > • Richmond Co., Virginia, Orders, 1699-1701, p. 17-18. > • Richmond Co, Virginia Personal Property Tax Lists
1782-1797 > • Richmond County Will Book 5, page 152 > • Richmond County, Virginia, Land Tax Lists, 1782, 1787-1800 > [RWC] Robert Wormley Carter (1734-1797) papers > • The Daybook of Robert Wormeley Carter of Sabine Hall, 1766, VMHB > [ST] Stafford Co., Virginia records > • Personal Property Tax Records of Stafford Co. From 
1794-1807 > • Accokeek Furnace Business Ledger: 1749-1760 > • Nanzatico, VMHB > • Franklin, John Hope and Schweniger, Loren, Runaway Slaves
Rebels on > the Plantation, [Chap. 1] 2000 > • Stafford Co., Virginia, PPTax Lists, 1789, 1798 > [WE] Westmoreland Co., Virginia records > • Westmoreland Wills: Erwin, John, 10 April 1716; 30 May 1716. > • Westmoreland Co. Virginia Order Book, 1662-1664 > • Westmoreland Co., Virginia PPTax Lists, 1791, 1800

Jan No other DNA tests needed. When our project is up you can join it (in addition to whatever group you might be in). As admin, I'll be able to compare your matches with others - and see if some folks have already established matches, etc. Thanks for your interest. Have you found any NN Common Ancestors yet? Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! On Oct 13, 2012, at 12:33 AM, JANGMAC@aol.com wrote: > Hello, > > I have taken Family Tree DNA's Family Finders Test along with their mtDNA > Test. Is this another DNA Test that I need to take and if so who do I > contact to get the Test? Best, Jan

Hello, I have taken Family Tree DNA's Family Finders Test along with their mtDNA Test. Is this another DNA Test that I need to take and if so who do I contact to get the Test? Best, Jan In a message dated 10/11/2012 8:46:47 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jim4bartletts@verizon.net writes: Barbara Participation in the NN Tree is voluntary. You're very welcome to join the NN DNA group, in any case. The purpose of having such a geographic group is to be able to share among ourselves, and with the other researchers on this list. I believe there is tremendous synergy that the DNA project and this list offer - we should all benefit. Based on my 10 years experience as a DNA Project Admin, I can tell everyone that the DNA testing is a very powerful tool, which has helped resolve many genealogy questions, corrected many Trees, and provided many, many new leads for researchers. Most matches at the 3G grandparent level will be 4th cousins. On the one hand the testing companies estimate half of your real 4th cousins will show up as a match, and half won't. But on the other hand you have many more 4th cousins than you do 3rd cousins, and almost everyone gets more matches on them. In fact most people get more 5th cousin matches than 4th, and more 6th cousin matches than 5th. This is particularly true for those with Colonial American ancestors. Three fourths of my ancestry was in Colonial Virginia, and a number of my atDNA matches share several Common Ancestors with me. Barbara, it will be great to have you in the group! Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! On Oct 11, 2012, at 6:14 PM, "karenhappuch" <karenhappuch@cox.net> wrote: > I lurk on this list and have no desire to participate in the NN tree. I'm > thinking about doing the atDNA test. Would I be able to participate in the > NN Familytree DNA group if I'm not also participating in the Ancestry NN > tree? I do have a website which could be checked by those with matches. > My only NN family is Brent and related families and my most recent NNers > were my 3xgt grandparents Martin Brent and Ann Chilton. Also is this too > far back to get any DNA matches? > > Barbara ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Craig, Sorry to respond so slowly to your inquiry this week. Your suggestions were very helpful. I totally agree about the source codes needing some work. As I have been gathering the necessary source materials, I have relied upon my own eccentric labeling and still have to translate my codes into a more systematic approach. So, if this index is too confusing, then just wait until I post the larger file which will be easier to follow and will include the complete citations for overseers and employers. Regarding the scope of this project--that is more difficult to answer. This study of the overseer arose from my need to connect my research of specific overseers into the network of plantations, which employed them. I also needed to identify the larger overseer culture of the NN so I could understand the actions of individuals in context. Partly, I am inspired by the detailed work of scholars such as Laura Crogan Kamoie with her Tayloe family book of a few years ago (Irons in the Fire…, 2007), which focused on “the what” more than “the why.” For this overseer study, I think such an approach would also work well. Some may still refute that the slave economy was a staggering mistake on every level, but for most of us now, such an argument is a distraction. I think, we have moved on. What is left, like all history, is getting at the detail of a person’s life that helps us put a human face on their story, whether it is one of an oppressor or the oppressed. The scope then, is to put a human face on overseers—that, of course, doesn’t mean whitewash. Those overseers that were bad news are clearly so in the record. Stories of brutality are real and they are shocking and upsetting. For most overseers, it seems intimidation was the daily strategy with the enslaved and off-handed remarks like “giv’em a good lashing” are repeated so regularly by slaveowners it is hard to be unaffected. Why should we be? However unpleasant, in the end, we need the detail to tell the story completely. That is the goal. I gather as much targeted information about overseers and their employers, because it is the employer to whom most texts are indexed during this settlement to 1800 period. Also, few if any professions in early VA, including overseers, were required to be identified on tax, census or voting lists resulting in my having to infer information from the records. This is probably why it has taken so long for scholars to begin coaxing this information out of the records, where it has remained dormant. I also try to include all information that helps to identify the responsibilities of overseers, so I include the labor force with names of individuals, including indentures and slaves, as well as all livestock and estate acreage. The most difficult to find information is the biographical for overseer, because, as I mentioned, the word overseer is seldom tagged, whether in print or online. Here are the categories. I think I listed these before, so I put in a little more detail: Overseer name [age (birth/death)(marriage/progeny)(parents)]; residence; personal notes): job location; acreage; employer [age (birth/death)(marriage/progeny)(parents)]; labor force; estimated employment period. RECORD—source; title; year recorded. Some names have a short paragraph at the moment and others have pages. It all depends upon what I have access to at the moment. Providing this to the list now will give me the feedback I need to push through over the next few months and complete the examination of collections I can access through ILL. After that point, I’ll reassess. Having visited Fredericksburg for their courthouse records this summer; I realized there is still a lot out there to be found that does not appear on any index. As I do this work I am taking notes on sources for free laborers and artisans on the NN as well. There has been some work done, but not yet with enough comprehensive detail. Maybe I’m wrong, but I haven’t seen such a published comprehensive study. I don’t know if this answers all your queries, Craig, but I need to get back to “find and replace.” Brian. -----Original Message----- From: Craig Kilby <persisto@live.com> To: va-northern-neck <va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, Oct 8, 2012 4:01 pm Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Overseers of the Northern Neck Index Brian, Wow. What an ambitious project. Question: what does "RI" mean? For example, Arthur King was an overseer in Richmond COUNTY. Why is it coded "RI"? Should you not include the property owner for whom the overseer worked? That would help immensely. There are two good examples here I can think off the top of my head. (1) Arthur King worked for William Sullivant (2) while not an overseer, Dr. John Belfield was fired in a fiery letter to him from Robert "King" Carter for over-drugging his slaves and in general neglect of duty. Have you checked the Robert Carter papers that are on line. King Carter can never be accused of speaking his mind. That ought to a gold-mine of information. What are the sources you have used in compiling this list? That would be important to know so we can determine what else should be examined. Could you provide an overview of the scope and purpose and end product for this? That would help as well. It's an incredible undertaking. You are to be congratulated. Please tell us more about this. Past 1800, it is easier to identify these people through estate records, especially accounts of estates. To summarize, I am thirsty to know more about your project and where it is headed, it's focus, and so on. To my knowledge, this is the first survey of this nature and it is very, very cutting edge. Dare I say, it is duanting and revolutionary in very many aspects, some of which I want to know if you have considered. It is highly explosive subject. One that is long overdue, I agree. Craig On Oct 7, 2012, at 8:46 PM, Brian Conley wrote: > Below is the index for a survey of plantation overseers in the Northern > Neck from settlement to 1800. The full document will be provided next > week and will provide abstracted information for each name, including: > > Overseer name (age; residence; personal notes): job location; acreage > of job estate; employer; labor force; estimated employment period. > RECORD—source; title; date recorded. > > Please help me proof this index list, if you can, and see if I missed > any one you know of who was a plantation overseer in the NNeck during > this period. If you find a missing name, please be kind enough to pass > the name to me with citation that includes as much of the above > information as possible. At the very least, name of overseer, name of > employer and/or estate, and year. > > This list does not include overseers of roads/highways, overseers of > the poor, or overseers of wills. The counties included are > Northumberland, Lancaster, Old Rappahannock [north of Rappahannock > River], Westmoreland, Richmond, Stafford and King George. > > There are still many documents left for me to examine, but this is a > start, at least. So far, there are nearly 400 names. Based on the > number of slaves on the NNeck, this is only a portion that would have > been required during this time period. > > Thanks to anyone, in advance, that has time to give this index a look. > > Brian > > - - - - - - - - > > Index of Plantation Overseers of the Northern Neck of Virginia > from settlement to 1800 > > Compiled and Edited by: B. Douglas Conley > > All names are listed with a source code. Definitions for the source > code are found in a source list at the end of this index. > > The following index identifies Northern Neck overseers in three > categories.: > > 1. Confirmed Overseers: These names are clearly identified as > professional overseers within primary source records, usually > identified with their employer, date of employment and location of > employment. > 2. Confirmed Slave Overseers: These names are clearly identified as > slaves as well as plantation overseers in primary source records. This > category has few listings to date, but will grow more substantially as > research continues. > 3. Possible Overseers: These names are drawn from collections > abstracted with minimal information, therefore some names follow the > pattern of overseer correspondence, residency and managerial > responsibility but are absent the title name “overseer” in the record > or abstract entry. Only examination of the complete original records > will determine their overseer status more definitively. > > Symbols: > *=possible overseer. > **= slave overseer. > > Index Format: > Last name, First name: Source code; > > > Confirmed Overseers > > [How?], Benjamin: RI; [Martin?], Richard: RI; Adams, James: FBG; > Alexander, Fielding: FBG; Ambrose, John.: RI; Ambrose, Joseph: RI; > Anderson, Joseph: FBG; Angel, William: LC; Armour, Mr.: LC; Asbury, > Richard: FBG; Asbury, Richard: RI; Ashby, Robert: FBG; Atkinson, John: > FBG; Atwell, William: FBG; Ball, William: LC; Bates, Robert: LCII; > Beale, John Eustace LC; Beale, William: LC; Beazley, Richard: FBG; > Bell, Lewis: FBG; Bennehan, Geo.: RI; Berrick, Newby: FBG; Billings, > Solomon: LC; Blackburn, Charles: NV; Bragg, Joseph: RI; Brand, > Murphy: RCI; Branson, Vincent T. : FBG; Brinnum, George: FBG; Brooke, > Thomas: RI; Brown, James: LC; Brown, Richard: FBG; Bruce, James: FBG; > Bruce, James: KGWB; Brukey, Peter: RI; Bryan, Jeremiah: RCI; Bryant, > James: RI; Bryant, Robert: RI; Buckles, John: RCI; Burchell, Nathan: > KGWB; Burke, Grave: FBG; Bynd, George: RCI; Cambell, Charles: RCI; > Canton, Mark: JM; Cary, John: RCI; Chamberlane, Curtis: FBG; > Churchill, Simon: LC; Churchill, Simon: RWC; Clark, Wm.: WE; > Clarkston, Thomas: FBG; Clemens, Richard: RI; Clusky, James: FBG; > Coakley, FNU: CS; Cole, John: RCI; Crane, Wm.: RCI; Crowder, > Ezericum: RCI; Crowder, Mr.: LC; Crowder, Thos.: RCI; Curtis, Thos.: > RCI; Dale, Geo.: RI; Dale, Joseph: RI; Dargan, Tim: RCI; Darnaby, > FNU: CY; Darnaby, William: FBG; Davis, Thomas: RI; Davis, William: > FBG; Dawson, Benjamin RCIII; Dayton, James: CS; Deatley, James: FBG; > Deatley, John: LCII; Deatly, James: FBG; Doleman, J.H.: FBG; Doleman, > John: LC; Donoway, Samuel: ST; Dozier, Joseph: LC; Dozier, Joseph: > RI; Dozier, Richard: RCIII; Dryas, Wm.: RCI; Dye, John: FBG; Edison, > Boyce: LC; Eskridge, Geo.: RI; Ferguson, John: JM; Ficklin, John D.: > FBG; Fisher, Mr.: LC; Florence, Joseph: LC; Franklin, Steward: FBG; > Freshwater, Tom: LC; Galloway, William: RCI; Garner, James: FBG; > George, a slave: LCII; Graham, William: JM; Green, Titus: Ri.; > Greenlaw, FNU: LC; Griffith, Owen: LC; Griggs, FNU: LC; Grigsby Jr., > William: FBG; Habron, George: RWC; Hall, William: FBG; Hamrick, > Benjamin: ST; Hanks, Joseph: RI; Harrison, Burr: ST; Harrison, > James: RCIII; Hazzard, Josiah: FBG; Hedgeman, Nathaniel: RCI; > Hedgman, Nathaniel: ST; Hews, Robert: RCI; Hicks, John: KGWB; Hill, > Leonard: LC; Howard, Jereboam: RI; Hurst, John: ST; Hurt, John: RCI; > Jefferson, Peter: ST; Jesse, Thomas: NV; Johnson, John: RCI; > Johnson, John: ST; Jones, Booth: JM; Jones, Charles: RCI; Jones, > Robert: RCI; King, Arthur: RI; King, John: LC; Knight, B.: FBG; > Laughlin, James: FBG; Lawrence, Henry: RCI; Lawson, William: LC; > Lewis, John: RI; LNU, FNU: ST; Lock, Henry: KG; Mallory, Thomas: RI; > Markie, Edward: RI; Marshall, John: LCII; Mason, FNU: CS; Mason, > Henry: ST; Massey, Sigismund: KGWB; McCarty, Dennis: RI; McClenahan, > William: FBG; McGrigor, John: RCI; McKenny, Joseph: RWC; Meeks, > Richard RI; Miller, Daniel: FBG; Miller, Francis: LCII; Miller, > Simon: FBG; Minor, Elliott T.: FBG; Mitchell, Adam: FBG; Monroe, > Andrew: FBG; Montgomery, James: FBG; Moore, Daniel: RI; Morgan, > Daniel: FBG; Morris, Charles: FBG; Morris, Ewell: FBG; Morriss, > Charles: RI; Mothershead, FNU: FBG; Mothershead, Richard: FBG; Muse, > Sandford: RI; Muse, Sanford: RI; Muse, Thomas, Sr.: FBG; Nash, > Solomon: RCIII; Oliff, Thomas: FBG; Olive, William: RI; Omohondro, > Richard: FBG; Orden, John: RCI; Oroeno, John: KG; Packet, Richard: > RI; Payne, Charles: FBG; Payne, John: FBG; Payne, William J.: FBG; > Peters, James: RCI; Pimet, FNU: ST; Pope, John: FBG; Pope, Laurence: > FBG; Porter, William: RI; Pour, Alexander: RCI; Purcell, James: LC; > Quisenbury, John: DP; Rainey, James: FBG; Redman, Mr.: FBG; Redman, > Patrick: DP; Reynolds, Benj.n: RI; Reynolds, William: RI; Rigg, > Jonathan: FBG; Riley, John; Rogers, FNU: KGWB; Saddler, William: RI; > Sallard, Simon: RCI, JC; Savage, James: JM; Seben, James: RCI; > Selfe, John: LC; Seward, Nicholas: JM; Shackleford, Richard L.: FBG; > Shaddock, James: FBG; Sibly, John: RCI; Sisson, Richard: RI; Smith, > James: FBG; Spurling, William: FBG; Stone, William: FBG; Storke, > William: FBG; Stott, Oliver: RI; Straughan, Samuel Lamking: RCIII; > Strawn, Samuel L.: RI; Strother, John: FBG; Strother, William: RI; > Sullen, Richard: RI; Sullivan, Daniel: RCIII; Sullivan, Dennis: RCI; > Sutton, Jesse: RI; Talken, Thos.: RCI; Thompson, Richard: WC; > Thrailkild, Wm.: RCI; Thrift, George: FBG; Tiffy, Pope: FBG; Tombs, > Edmond: RI; Torbutt, William: JM; Turner, Thomas: FBG; Walker, John: > [RCI; Ward, John: FBG; Weaver, Thomas: FBG; Webb, John: RCI; Weir, > Henry: ST; West, Thos.: RCI; Whaley, Gibson: FBG; Whaley, James RCI; > Wheeland, William: JM; Wilson, John: LCII; Withers, Thomas: FBG; > Wrenn, Thomas: RCI. > > Confirmed Slave Overseers > > **[?], Elisha: RI; **[?], Michael: RI; > > Possible Overseers > > *[?], John: RI; *[?], Tho.: RI; *[Free?], Clemt.: ND; *[Hall?], > William: RI; *[How?], Thomas: RI; *[Kent?], Chas.: ND; *[Moore?], > Vincent: RI; *[Pechy?], W.: RI; *[Rust? Peck?], [?]: RI; *[Tombs?], > Edmund: RI; *[Truldoe?], Robert: RI; *Abrams, Francis: RI; *Abrams, > Solomon: RI; *Alicks, John: RI; *Alloway, William: RI; *Appleby, > Richard: RI; *Asbury, James G.: RI; *Astin, William: RI; *Austin, B: > WE; *Barnett, James: RI; *Beale, William, Jun.r: RI; *Beale, Wm., > Jr.: RI; *Bean, Peter: LN; *Beddoe, Lawrence: RI; *Bencham, George: > RI; *Benneham, George: RI; *Berrick, Griffin G.: RI; *Berrick, Griffin: > RI; *Berrick, Reubin: RI; *Berry, Thomas: ND; *Bincham, George: RI; > *Brewer, William: ND; *Brooke, Edmond: RI; *Brooke, Henry: RI; *Brown, > Vincent: ND; *Bryant, Thadeus: RI; *Butlar, William: RI; *Carter, > George: RI; *Clark, [James?]: RI; *Clark, Robt: RI; *Clarke, Robert: > RI; *Clarke, Thomas: RI; *Clater, Richard: RI; *Connaly, John: RI; > *Cox, James: RI; *Crookhorn, Thomas: RI; *Dale, William: RI; *Davis, > Peter: RI; *Dawson, John: RI; *Deatley, John: WE; *Dennes, Harry: RI; > *Dobyns, Charles: RI; *Douglas, William: RI; *Dozier, Conway: RI; > *Dozier, Joseph: RI; *Dunaway, Charles: RI; *Edwards, George: RI; > *Edwards, Richd: ND; *Eidson, William: RI; *Eliffe, George: RI; > *Fielding, Jos.: ND; *Figgett, John: RI; *Fisher, William: RI; *Foot, > Robert: RI; *Galle, W.: LN; *Garland, Griffin: RI; *Gill, James: RI; > *Glascock, John: RI; *Griffin, John: RI; *Haden, Thomas: RI; *Hague, > James: RI; *Hall, Peter: RI; *Hamilton, Robert: RI; *Harford, Henny: > RI; *Harford, William: RI; *Harris, William: RI; *Harrison, [Louell?]: > WE; *Harrison, James: RI; *Harrison, Lovell: WE; *Headley, John: RI; > *Hennage, Reubin: RI; *Hill, Francis: RI; *Holborne, William: RI; > *How, John, Jr.: RI; *How, John, Jun.r: RI; *How, John: RI; *Hubbard, > Elias: LN; *Humphris, Griffin: ND; *Hunton, Robt: RI; *Jackson, > Daniel: RI; *James, [Juane?]: LN; *Jasper, Richard: RI; *Jenkins, > William: RI; *Jones, Charles: RI; *Jones, Edward: RI; *Jones, Jekyll: > RI; *Jones, Thomas: RI; *Jones, William: RI; *Kelsick, Samuel: RI; > *Kent, Wm.:ND; *Kirk, Jno.: RI; *Kirk, John: RI; *Lewis, John: RI; > *Lorrimore, Jas.: ND; *Lyall, Joseph: RI; *Mahon, James: RI; *Mallory, > Thomas: RI; *Marks, Edw.d: RI; *Marties, William: RI; *Mase, Simon: RI; > *Mays, Simon: RI; *McCain, [Rotoish?]: ND; *McCarty, Bartholemew: RI; > *McCarty, Dennis: RI; *McCarty, Thad.s: RI; *McDaniel, George: RI; > *McKelsoe, [Robt?]: RI; *Moore, John: RI; *Morgan, Andrew: RI; *Morris, > Charles: RI; *Morton, James: RI; *Morton, Robert: RI; *Moxley, > Jeremiah: WE; *Moxley, Richard: RI; *Muse, Burquist: RI; *Muse, > Thomas: RI; *Nash, Newman: RI; *Newby, Ozwald: LC; *Newman, Vincent: > RI; *Newsome, William: RI; *Oliff, William: RI; *Oliffe, George: RI; > *Olive, Thomas: RI; *Olive, William: RI; *Owen, Augustine: RI; *Packet, > W.: RI; *Packett, William G.: RI; *Packett, William: RI; *Page, John: > RI; *Palmer, William, Jr.: RI; *Pinckard, Jno.: ND; *Pratt, John: RI; > *Pugh, Jesse: ND; *Pursell, Wm.: RI; *Raynolds, Robert: RI; *Raynolds, > William: RI; *Redman, Solomon: RI; *Reynolds, Robert: RI; *Reynolds, > Thomas: RI; *Reynolds, William: RI; *Robinson, Jesse: ND; *Rogers, > Edward: RI; *Rust, Peter: RI; *Rust, Peter: RI; *Rust, Samuel: RI; > *Sallard, Simon: RI; *Sandy, Uriah: RI; *Sanford, John G.: RI; > *Sanford, Richard: RI; *Scates, Joseph: RI; *Shackleford, Wm.: ND; > *Sharp, Zephaniah.: RI; *Short, Thomas: LN; *Sinclar, Rogers: ND; > *Sisson, Henry G.: RI; *Sisson, William: WE; *Smith, William W.: RI; > *Snow, Jno.: ND; *Snow, Spencer: ND; *Stephens, Geo.: RI; *Stephens, > Richard: LN; *Stephens, Thomas: RI; *Stone, Joshua: RI; *Stowers, > Coleman: RI; *Strother, William: RI; *Strowther, William: RI; *Sutton, > Jeremh: RI; *Sutton, Jeremiah: RI; *Sutton, Jose.h: RI; *Sydnor, John: > ND; *Tarkleson, Jos.: ND; *Teague, Newman: RI; *Terry, Benjamin: RI; > *Thomas, George: RI; *Thornton, Redman: RI; *Thornton, Robert: RI; > *Tignor, William: RI; *Turnbull, Alex.: ND; *Vina, George: RI; > *Walker, Daniel: ND; *Watson, James: RI; *Webb, George: RI; *Webb, > James, Jr.: RI; *Webb, Wm.: ND; *Whaley, William: RI; *White, John: > RI; *Wilcox, Jn.o: RI; *Wildy [Wiley?], Sterling: ND; *Williams, > George: RI; *Williams, John: RI; *Williams, Thomas: ND; *Williams, > William: RI; *Wilson, James: RI; *Wilson, Richard: RI; *Wilson, > Shelton: RI; *Woods, John: RI; *Wright, Benadick: RI; *Yeatman, Jesse: > RI; *Yeatman, Thomas: WE; *Yeatman, William: RI; *Yeatman, Wm.: RI. > > - - - - - - - - > > Sources: > > WMQ=William & Mary Quarterly > VMHB=Virginia Magazine of History and Biography > > [BF] Ball Family Papers, 1680-1785 > [CC] Charles Carter [1707-1764] papers > [CCC] Charles Carter of Corotoman [1732-1802] papers > • Papers of the Carter and Wellford Family of Sabine Hall 1650-1918 > [CS] Letters to Doctor Carmichael (1771-1831) & Son, 1816-1832 > [CY] Charles Yates (1728-1809) Letterbook, 1773-1783 > [DL] Dangerfield Lewis (1799-1854) papers > [DP] Daniel Payne (1728-ca 1796) Ledger Book, 1758-1764 > [FBG] Fredericksburg Historic Court Records, historiccourtrecords.org > [JC] John Carter (1689/90-1742) papers > • Swem Library Collection > [JM] John Mercer (1704-1768) papers > • Daily Journal of John Mercer, 1740 to 1768 > • Domestic and legal fee account book of John Mercer (1704-1768) > • Watkins, C. Malcom. The Cultural History of Marlborough, Virginia. > Washington, DC: > Smithsonian Institution Press, 1968. > [KG] King George Co., Virginia records > • King George Co., Virginia Will Book A-1, 1721-1752, 1780-1804 > • Abstracts of Meriwether Taliaferro will 1818/1825 > • King George Co., Virginia Order Book, 1721-1723 > • King George Co., Virginia, PPTax Lists, 1792, 1803 > [LC] Landon Carter of Sabine Hall [1710-1778] papers > • Landon Carter Plantation Diary > • annotations from Rhys Isaac: Landon Carter’s UnEasy Kingdom > [LCII] Landon Carter of Cleve [1851-1811] papers > • Crop Book of Landon Carter, son of Charles Carter, of Cleve, WMQ > [LN] Lancaster Co., Virginia records > • Lancaster Co., Virginia, PPTax Lists, 1786, 1800 > • Lancaster Co., Virginia, Land Lists, 1789, 1797 > [ND] Northumberland Co., Virginia records > • Mathew, Thomas, The Beginning, Progress, and Conclusion of Bacon's > Rebellion, 1675 & 1676 > • Northumberland Co., Virginia, PP Tax Lists, 1788, 1801 > [NV] Papers of Notable Virginia Families, 1763-1866 > • Washington Family Papers > [RCI] Robert Carter I (1663-1732) papers > • http://carter.lib.virginia.edu/public/Cbiodir.html > • http://carter.lib.virginia.edu/html/CD1723.mod.html > • 1732 Inventory of Robert Carter I, Letters to Robert Jones 1727-1729, > VMHB > [RCIII] Robert Carter III (1728-1804) papers > • Swem Library Collection > • annotations from Andrew Levy: The First Emancipator, 2005 > [RI] Richmond Co., Virginia records > • Richmond Co., Virginia, Order Book 3, 1699-1704 > • Richmond Co., Virginia, Orders, 1699-1701, p. 17-18. > • Richmond Co, Virginia Personal Property Tax Lists > 1782-1797 > • Richmond County Will Book 5, page 152 > • Richmond County, Virginia, Land Tax Lists, 1782, 1787-1800 > [RWC] Robert Wormley Carter (1734-1797) papers > • The Daybook of Robert Wormeley Carter of Sabine Hall, 1766, VMHB > [ST] Stafford Co., Virginia records > • Personal Property Tax Records of Stafford Co. From > 1794-1807 > • Accokeek Furnace Business Ledger: 1749-1760 > • Nanzatico, VMHB > • Franklin, John Hope and Schweniger, Loren, Runaway Slaves > Rebels on > the Plantation, [Chap. 1] 2000 > • Stafford Co., Virginia, PPTax Lists, 1789, 1798 > [WE] Westmoreland Co., Virginia records > • Westmoreland Wills: Erwin, John, 10 April 1716; 30 May 1716. > • Westmoreland Co. Virginia Order Book, 1662-1664 > • Westmoreland Co., Virginia PPTax Lists, 1791, 1800 > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Did Don King mean fornication? -----Original Message----- >From: Craig Kilby <persisto1@gmail.com> >Sent: Oct 11, 2012 8:37 PM >To: va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Arthur King, Overseer > >I tend to agree, especially for one other fact I did not include. > >Just two years after this, Arthur King sold his land in Westmoreland County and at that time (1701) he did so a resident of North Farnham Parish, Richmond County. > >Yes, I agree the Hammocks were playing a lot of tricks here. First paying the fine and getting 6 months more time out of poor Margaret, and second, punishing Margaret another full year as rectitude to her master for his lost labor. And no, Arthur King was not fined anything, and obviously not fired either. > >Craig > >On Oct 11, 2012, at 8:25 PM, King Donald E wrote: > >> It appears to me that Arthur King was taking the blame for an act performed by William/Richard Hammock. Possibly, Hammock and Jones were lovers, she accidentally got pregnant and knowing that Hammock would get into legal trouble, decided to frame Arthur. We also see, by her act of fortification, that she was not law abiding. I do not believe that we have any history of Arthur not obeying the law. Also, it was Hammock and Jones who were punished. There is neither anything about Arthur being punished or fired. >> >> Since it is only conjecture, I do not think that we should record any more than what has been passed down to us. >> >> Arthur's many greats grandson - Don King >> >> >> On Oct 11, 2012, at 4:17 PM, Craig Kilby wrote: >> >>> Though Arthur King owned land in Westmoreland County, and married there to Mary Smith about 1688, his record as an overseer is found in Richmond County, and probably not in the way he would have liked to be remembered in this job--and for which he may well have been fired. >>> >>> Here's what happened in Richmond County court on 7 Jun 1699, >>> >>> (1) Margaret Jones, a servant of William Hammock, came into court and and "upon the Gospel of God made oath that Arthur King, overseer of the plantation of Daniel Swillivant, within this county is the true father of the bastard child late borne of her body." That's about as a direct of a statement as it can get. >>> >>> (2) Richard Hammock confessed a judgment to the church wardens of North Farnham Parish for 500 lbs. of tobacco in cask, that being the fine for committing the sin of fornication by Margaret Jones >>> >>> (3) Margaret Jones was ordered to serve Richard Hammock "or his assigns" an additional 1/2 year as compensation for the payment of her fine due to the parish for the sin of fornication. >>> >>> (4) Margaret Jones was ordered to serve her master William Hammock an additional year >>> ------------------- >>> There is no record of this child's birth in King's transcript of the North Farnham Parish register, at least under the name of Margaret Jones where one would expect to find it. What is somewhat curious is why Richard Hammock is paying the fine instead William Hammock, her master. Unless it was to increase her time of servitude. Or unless he was the real father. >>> >>> In another case about this same time, but not in the Northern Neck, a similar case was heard. While nobody was directly named as the father, the young maiden's fine was paid by one William Avery in lieu of her taking umpteen lashes on the bare back. >>> >>> As always with these types of records, nothing is ever as it may at first appear. If Arthur King really was the father, he would probably have lost his job as an overseer, whose responsibility it would have been to PREVENT exactly this sort of thing, and certainly not to be the cause of it. >>> >>> I've recently made several additions to Arthur King's (d. 1718, Westmoreland County) record on our NN ancestry tree, reflecting this is as well as some of his immigration records (which, of course, conflict. I'll talk about that later but in the meantime you can view his data on the tree.) >>> >>> Craig >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have been asked several times about the cost of the Family Finder test. In general we should not sell or post pricing on these Listserves. But anyone can look at the home page at www.familytreedna.com. While you are there, you can find many details by clicking on their FAQ Tab near the top of the page. You can also enter surnames in the search box (upper right) and visit the web page for most of them (click on the top row Tabs at most sites). There IS some variation on content and quality, but on many of these sites you may find the ancestral line for your surname, and if it has been tested. I've found tests have already been done for over 30 of my surnames. The Family Finder test is often on sale about 2 times a year for about 1/3 off. This is quite a bargain for genetic testing, particularly when considering the technology involved, the comparison with all other tests, your personal website, the storage of your sample for 20 years, and getting additional matches about monthly as new tests are run. It just keeps on giving. And it is a very powerful tool. Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime!

Barbara Participation in the NN Tree is voluntary. You're very welcome to join the NN DNA group, in any case. The purpose of having such a geographic group is to be able to share among ourselves, and with the other researchers on this list. I believe there is tremendous synergy that the DNA project and this list offer - we should all benefit. Based on my 10 years experience as a DNA Project Admin, I can tell everyone that the DNA testing is a very powerful tool, which has helped resolve many genealogy questions, corrected many Trees, and provided many, many new leads for researchers. Most matches at the 3G grandparent level will be 4th cousins. On the one hand the testing companies estimate half of your real 4th cousins will show up as a match, and half won't. But on the other hand you have many more 4th cousins than you do 3rd cousins, and almost everyone gets more matches on them. In fact most people get more 5th cousin matches than 4th, and more 6th cousin matches than 5th. This is particularly true for those with Colonial American ancestors. Three fourths of my ancestry was in Colonial Virginia, and a number of my atDNA matches share several Common Ancestors with me. Barbara, it will be great to have you in the group! Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! On Oct 11, 2012, at 6:14 PM, "karenhappuch" <karenhappuch@cox.net> wrote: > I lurk on this list and have no desire to participate in the NN tree. I'm > thinking about doing the atDNA test. Would I be able to participate in the > NN Familytree DNA group if I'm not also participating in the Ancestry NN > tree? I do have a website which could be checked by those with matches. > My only NN family is Brent and related families and my most recent NNers > were my 3xgt grandparents Martin Brent and Ann Chilton. Also is this too > far back to get any DNA matches? > > Barbara

I tend to agree, especially for one other fact I did not include. Just two years after this, Arthur King sold his land in Westmoreland County and at that time (1701) he did so a resident of North Farnham Parish, Richmond County. Yes, I agree the Hammocks were playing a lot of tricks here. First paying the fine and getting 6 months more time out of poor Margaret, and second, punishing Margaret another full year as rectitude to her master for his lost labor. And no, Arthur King was not fined anything, and obviously not fired either. Craig On Oct 11, 2012, at 8:25 PM, King Donald E wrote: > It appears to me that Arthur King was taking the blame for an act performed by William/Richard Hammock. Possibly, Hammock and Jones were lovers, she accidentally got pregnant and knowing that Hammock would get into legal trouble, decided to frame Arthur. We also see, by her act of fortification, that she was not law abiding. I do not believe that we have any history of Arthur not obeying the law. Also, it was Hammock and Jones who were punished. There is neither anything about Arthur being punished or fired. > > Since it is only conjecture, I do not think that we should record any more than what has been passed down to us. > > Arthur's many greats grandson - Don King > > > On Oct 11, 2012, at 4:17 PM, Craig Kilby wrote: > >> Though Arthur King owned land in Westmoreland County, and married there to Mary Smith about 1688, his record as an overseer is found in Richmond County, and probably not in the way he would have liked to be remembered in this job--and for which he may well have been fired. >> >> Here's what happened in Richmond County court on 7 Jun 1699, >> >> (1) Margaret Jones, a servant of William Hammock, came into court and and "upon the Gospel of God made oath that Arthur King, overseer of the plantation of Daniel Swillivant, within this county is the true father of the bastard child late borne of her body." That's about as a direct of a statement as it can get. >> >> (2) Richard Hammock confessed a judgment to the church wardens of North Farnham Parish for 500 lbs. of tobacco in cask, that being the fine for committing the sin of fornication by Margaret Jones >> >> (3) Margaret Jones was ordered to serve Richard Hammock "or his assigns" an additional 1/2 year as compensation for the payment of her fine due to the parish for the sin of fornication. >> >> (4) Margaret Jones was ordered to serve her master William Hammock an additional year >> ------------------- >> There is no record of this child's birth in King's transcript of the North Farnham Parish register, at least under the name of Margaret Jones where one would expect to find it. What is somewhat curious is why Richard Hammock is paying the fine instead William Hammock, her master. Unless it was to increase her time of servitude. Or unless he was the real father. >> >> In another case about this same time, but not in the Northern Neck, a similar case was heard. While nobody was directly named as the father, the young maiden's fine was paid by one William Avery in lieu of her taking umpteen lashes on the bare back. >> >> As always with these types of records, nothing is ever as it may at first appear. If Arthur King really was the father, he would probably have lost his job as an overseer, whose responsibility it would have been to PREVENT exactly this sort of thing, and certainly not to be the cause of it. >> >> I've recently made several additions to Arthur King's (d. 1718, Westmoreland County) record on our NN ancestry tree, reflecting this is as well as some of his immigration records (which, of course, conflict. I'll talk about that later but in the meantime you can view his data on the tree.) >> >> Craig >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Jim.  It is amazing and points out the importance of having the entire family tested if at all possible! ________________________________ From: Jim Bartlett <jim4bartletts@verizon.net> To: DAVID BROWN <dbrown544@prodigy.net>; "va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com" <va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 5:29 PM Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Autosomal DNA Project for Northern Neck Families David Both you and your sister each get half of the atDNA each of your parents had - the half times two parents means you each got a full set of Chromosomes. Whew - good thing. But you each got a different mix from each parent, and in fact, between the two of you there is, on average, one forth of the DNA your parents had, that neither of you got. Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! On Oct 11, 2012, at 3:45 PM, DAVID BROWN <dbrown544@prodigy.net> wrote: > Thanks so much Jim!  When the NN Project is available, I will be sure to add both myself and my sister to the list.  My sister actually has some matches who show Dameron family ancestry in their family trees whereas my matches do not (at least they don't show obvious Dameron ancestry).  This is yet another intriguing aspect of DNA autosomal testing.  Of my 260 or so matches through the FTDNA Family Finder (autosomal) testing, I only share about 50% of that number with my sister!  I have heard elsewhere that 50% is a good baseline with most siblings!  You would think this percentage of shared matches between siblings would be significantly higher.  Amazing!  As such, my sister's testing has opened up other avenues for me to possibly break down the proverbial brick walls! >  > Thanks again! >  > David Brown > > From: Jim Bartlett <jim4bartletts@verizon.net> > To: "va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com" <va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 10:45 AM > Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Autosomal DNA Project for Northern Neck Families > > The official application form has been submitted to Family Tree DNA to establish a geographic DNA Project for the Northern Neck (I used our expanded definition of NN). They will give me a yes/no in 5 days. Anyone who wants to be a part of this project will be able to join from their FTDNA account (keeping their membership in whatever group they are now in). We will have our own FTDNA webpage for results (like surname groups have). I will have to work up a spreadsheet so we can see/compare matches and Common Ancestors - it should be fun. > > Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Though Arthur King owned land in Westmoreland County, and married there to Mary Smith about 1688, his record as an overseer is found in Richmond County, and probably not in the way he would have liked to be remembered in this job--and for which he may well have been fired. Here's what happened in Richmond County court on 7 Jun 1699, (1) Margaret Jones, a servant of William Hammock, came into court and and "upon the Gospel of God made oath that Arthur King, overseer of the plantation of Daniel Swillivant, within this county is the true father of the bastard child late borne of her body." That's about as a direct of a statement as it can get. (2) Richard Hammock confessed a judgment to the church wardens of North Farnham Parish for 500 lbs. of tobacco in cask, that being the fine for committing the sin of fornication by Margaret Jones (3) Margaret Jones was ordered to serve Richard Hammock "or his assigns" an additional 1/2 year as compensation for the payment of her fine due to the parish for the sin of fornication. (4) Margaret Jones was ordered to serve her master William Hammock an additional year ------------------- There is no record of this child's birth in King's transcript of the North Farnham Parish register, at least under the name of Margaret Jones where one would expect to find it. What is somewhat curious is why Richard Hammock is paying the fine instead William Hammock, her master. Unless it was to increase her time of servitude. Or unless he was the real father. In another case about this same time, but not in the Northern Neck, a similar case was heard. While nobody was directly named as the father, the young maiden's fine was paid by one William Avery in lieu of her taking umpteen lashes on the bare back. As always with these types of records, nothing is ever as it may at first appear. If Arthur King really was the father, he would probably have lost his job as an overseer, whose responsibility it would have been to PREVENT exactly this sort of thing, and certainly not to be the cause of it. I've recently made several additions to Arthur King's (d. 1718, Westmoreland County) record on our NN ancestry tree, reflecting this is as well as some of his immigration records (which, of course, conflict. I'll talk about that later but in the meantime you can view his data on the tree.) Craig

David Both you and your sister each get half of the atDNA each of your parents had - the half times two parents means you each got a full set of Chromosomes. Whew - good thing. But you each got a different mix from each parent, and in fact, between the two of you there is, on average, one forth of the DNA your parents had, that neither of you got. Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! On Oct 11, 2012, at 3:45 PM, DAVID BROWN <dbrown544@prodigy.net> wrote: > Thanks so much Jim! When the NN Project is available, I will be sure to add both myself and my sister to the list. My sister actually has some matches who show Dameron family ancestry in their family trees whereas my matches do not (at least they don't show obvious Dameron ancestry). This is yet another intriguing aspect of DNA autosomal testing. Of my 260 or so matches through the FTDNA Family Finder (autosomal) testing, I only share about 50% of that number with my sister! I have heard elsewhere that 50% is a good baseline with most siblings! You would think this percentage of shared matches between siblings would be significantly higher. Amazing! As such, my sister's testing has opened up other avenues for me to possibly break down the proverbial brick walls! > > Thanks again! > > David Brown > > From: Jim Bartlett <jim4bartletts@verizon.net> > To: "va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com" <va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 10:45 AM > Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Autosomal DNA Project for Northern Neck Families > > The official application form has been submitted to Family Tree DNA to establish a geographic DNA Project for the Northern Neck (I used our expanded definition of NN). They will give me a yes/no in 5 days. Anyone who wants to be a part of this project will be able to join from their FTDNA account (keeping their membership in whatever group they are now in). We will have our own FTDNA webpage for results (like surname groups have). I will have to work up a spreadsheet so we can see/compare matches and Common Ancestors - it should be fun. > > Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Henry, If you don't ask a question, nobody can answer it. Just from Clayton Torrence's "Virginia Wills and Administrations1632-1800" there are the following SWAIN records: Lancaster County: Jno Swain, 1690, inventory Northumberland County: Joseph Swain, 1793, inventory If one adds in SWAN, you can add these, all from Lancaster County: Alexander, 1710, will Mary, 1721, will Jno., 1722, inventory As for BUTLER, well......not knowing the time frame, that's a bit more of a challenge. They are all over Virginia. Just from Clayton's book there is one Peter Butler in Lancaster (will, 1716); 4 in Northumberland from 1754-1792); Westmoreland = 35 wills or administrations; Old Rappahannock, 4 which includes Armory Butler); Richmond = none; Essex = 5, and so on. Remember, this is all just pre-1800. Don't know where you are with your research, but asking a specific question on a specific family with relevent information would be a good place to start using this list. Craig On Oct 11, 2012, at 3:37 PM, k3bpw56@verizon.net wrote: > > Janean: > Maybe its because many of us, even though we have been "dabbling" in > genealogy, feel inadequate and look to the "pros" for correctness. > Both of my parents were born and raised in Northumberland County, but to my > knowledge, I have never seen their family names listed on the board. Yet, I > find that we are "connected" to many of the names that do appear in the NN > through marriage.. > I for one, thank all of you for your willingness to pass on your research to > us peons. > Henry A. Swain > Family names: Swain and Butler (Can't find a relation to Rev. Amory Butler > as yet)

It appears to me that Arthur King was taking the blame for an act performed by William/Richard Hammock. Possibly, Hammock and Jones were lovers, she accidentally got pregnant and knowing that Hammock would get into legal trouble, decided to frame Arthur. We also see, by her act of fornification, that she was not law abiding. I do not believe that we have any history of Arthur not obeying the law. Also, it was Hammock and Jones who were punished. There is neither anything about Arthur being punished or fired. Since it is only conjecture, I do not think that we should record any more than what has been passed down to us. Arthur's many greats grandson - Don King On Oct 11, 2012, at 4:17 PM, Craig Kilby wrote: > Though Arthur King owned land in Westmoreland County, and married there to Mary Smith about 1688, his record as an overseer is found in Richmond County, and probably not in the way he would have liked to be remembered in this job--and for which he may well have been fired. > > Here's what happened in Richmond County court on 7 Jun 1699, > > (1) Margaret Jones, a servant of William Hammock, came into court and and "upon the Gospel of God made oath that Arthur King, overseer of the plantation of Daniel Swillivant, within this county is the true father of the bastard child late borne of her body." That's about as a direct of a statement as it can get. > > (2) Richard Hammock confessed a judgment to the church wardens of North Farnham Parish for 500 lbs. of tobacco in cask, that being the fine for committing the sin of fornication by Margaret Jones > > (3) Margaret Jones was ordered to serve Richard Hammock "or his assigns" an additional 1/2 year as compensation for the payment of her fine due to the parish for the sin of fornication. > > (4) Margaret Jones was ordered to serve her master William Hammock an additional year > ------------------- > There is no record of this child's birth in King's transcript of the North Farnham Parish register, at least under the name of Margaret Jones where one would expect to find it. What is somewhat curious is why Richard Hammock is paying the fine instead William Hammock, her master. Unless it was to increase her time of servitude. Or unless he was the real father. > > In another case about this same time, but not in the Northern Neck, a similar case was heard. While nobody was directly named as the father, the young maiden's fine was paid by one William Avery in lieu of her taking umpteen lashes on the bare back. > > As always with these types of records, nothing is ever as it may at first appear. If Arthur King really was the father, he would probably have lost his job as an overseer, whose responsibility it would have been to PREVENT exactly this sort of thing, and certainly not to be the cause of it. > > I've recently made several additions to Arthur King's (d. 1718, Westmoreland County) record on our NN ancestry tree, reflecting this is as well as some of his immigration records (which, of course, conflict. I'll talk about that later but in the meantime you can view his data on the tree.) > > Craig > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message