Fixed, Thanks, Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! On Oct 18, 2012, at 11:24 PM, "Ann Avery Hunter" <Sanseann@triad.rr.com> wrote: > I see the page for the project with the link to join at the bottom, but the > space for description is blank. > > Ann > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Bartlett > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 10:32 PM > To: va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com > Subject: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] NorthernNeck-VA DNA Group is up and ready! > > > FTDNA did a tweak, and our NorthernNeck-VA Group is now listed. > > 1. Login to your FTDNA page > 2. Under "My Projects" (left side); click on Join Projects > 3. Scroll down to the Dual Projects category (Y-DNA and mtDNA), and click > on > the N link; then scroll down to NorthernNeck-VA and select it. > > I think that's all there is to it. I've added a description of our > project, > including the counties that are in our definition. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Jim, I joined, I think - it's on my list of projects - but there is no website URL listed. Bill Hurst

I entered it, will check later. It's the standard format. Try this (3 Y-results posted so far - no matches) [1]http://www.familytreedna.com/public/NorthernNeck-VA/ Jim Bartlett On 10/19/12, William Hurst<wrhurst_17@msn.com> wrote: Hi Jim, I joined, I think - it's on my list of projects - but there is no website URL listed. Bill Hurst ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-N[2]ORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message References 1. http://www.familytreedna.com/public/NorthernNeck-VA/ 2. mailto:ORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com

I see the page for the project with the link to join at the bottom, but the space for description is blank. Ann -----Original Message----- From: Jim Bartlett Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 10:32 PM To: va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com Subject: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] NorthernNeck-VA DNA Group is up and ready! FTDNA did a tweak, and our NorthernNeck-VA Group is now listed. 1. Login to your FTDNA page 2. Under "My Projects" (left side); click on Join Projects 3. Scroll down to the Dual Projects category (Y-DNA and mtDNA), and click on the N link; then scroll down to NorthernNeck-VA and select it. I think that's all there is to it. I've added a description of our project, including the counties that are in our definition.

John, Our project is going to focus on Family Finder (autosomal). I know the folks that run those two projects - they have many DNA projects, primarily for surnames and focus areas that others haven't set up and agreed to be administrators. Although the participants in our project may well also have Y-DNA and/or mtDNA tests (I do), our emphasis will be on atDNA. Otherwise we would be in conflict with their project - I don't want to create an issue before we get off the ground. I'm going to have my hands full as it is, so I'd rather try this on our own for now and see what happens. We can always reevaluate later. Jim Bartlett On 10/18/12, John McAnally<jrmcanally@msn.com> wrote: Jim There is a Y-DNA Virginia geographic project for men at FTDNA with ancestral connections prior to 1700. The area included is made up of the eight original Shires (counties): Accawmack (Northampton), Charles City, Charles River (York), Elizabeth City, Henrico, James City, Warrosquyoake (Isle of Wight) and Warwick River (Warwick). Also included is Chickacoan District (Northumberland). Daughter counties are Gloucester, Lancaster, New Kent, Surry, Westmoreland, Accomack, Stafford, Middlesex, New Norfolk, Upper Norfolk, Lower Norfolk, Norfolk, Nansemond, Princess Ann, King and Queen, Essex, and Richmond. I have tried to join but so far they have not given approval. It might be interesting to attempt to couple that project with your new autosomal project. The URL is [1]http://www.familytreedna.com/public/va-1600s/ Jack McAnally Don't bother to look for it yet - I've sent an email to FTDNA, because I can log into the page, but cannot find it to join my Kit. Jim Bartlett ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-N[2]ORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message References 1. http://www.familytreedna.com/public/va-1600s/ 2. mailto:ORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com

FTDNA did a tweak, and our NorthernNeck-VA Group is now listed. 1. Login to your FTDNA page 2. Under "My Projects" (left side); click on Join Projects 3. Scroll down to the Dual Projects category (Y-DNA and mtDNA), and click on the N link; then scroll down to NorthernNeck-VA and select it. I think that's all there is to it. I've added a description of our project, including the counties that are in our definition. Your FTDNA home page will not change, except you can switch between the projects you belong to. But your page will look the same. So if you've tested at FTDNA and have NN Ancestor, please join our project in addition to the one you already have. I am very particular about privacy issues. So I would like each of you who join to also let me know that it's OK to list, link and use your name, email and DNA Kit# in our discussions. Almost everyone does this nowadays - and it sure helps in communicating and discussing the Trees involved. But it's not a requirement. Thanks. When we get several others to join, I'll look at how the Y-DNA displays, and how the mtDNA displays on our Public web page. I don't think FTDNA has come up with to display Family Finder results on a web page, so that will be up to us. I'll try to come up with something that I can paste into the Results page. It was not my intent to research everyone's Tree and find matches for them - this is your work (I can help, sometimes). And having discussions on this email list will be a big help. I would hope that each DNA participant will also add their NN ancestors to our NN Tree on Ancestry - but this is not mandatory. It will be very convenient for us to note, in that Tree, which are the Common Ancestors (they would have at least two children, a different one being the ancestor of each of the people who share an atDNA segment) and where the shared segment was located. This will be very important as new people take the Family Finder test, and learn they have a match with someone who already has a Common Ancestor on the same segment. This is also extremely valuable to Adoptees, but the NN Tree is mostly too ancient to easily find an ancestral line for them (but, over time, the clues will mount up). I think it will be fairly simple to record matching segments among our group in a spreadsheet. This will be very valuable as we get enough matches to start having three-somes. This is called Triangulation and means all three people share the same Common Ancestor, and you can be pretty positive that the shared segment came from that Common Ancestor. Maybe I can also find a way (maybe a Rootsweb or GenForum Board for the NN) to post some steps for getting the most out of Family Finder - I know it's best to take it in three phases over several years: 1. Get Ready (make a robust Tree, and prepare a standard email to send out; 2. Contact all of your matches, trade info, and determine Common Ancestors; and 3. (after you have 50-100 Common Ancestors), start mapping your genome. Let's roll. Jim Bartlett

Jim, Nuts. #1 on my list needs to be amended to the following: 1. "1540 John" in Haplogroup J2, who was 1540 (year of death) John Wright of Yorkshire, England, (place of death) and the ancestor of 1663 Richard Wright of Northumberland County, VA, and his son 1713 Francis Wright of Westmoreland County, VA, and his sons 1729/30 John Wright of Stafford County, VA, and 1741 Richard Wright of Westmoreland County, VA. Sorry if I created confusion for anyone. Best wishes, Bob Grant On 10/18/2012 8:43 PM, Robert N. Grant wrote: > Jim, > > Would it make sense to have the Wright listings from the Wright DNA > Project copied over to the Northern Neck Project when the Wright > ancestor comes from the Northern Neck? I assume the Wright Project > administrators would have to agree. > > If copying does and copying is possible, then the following on the > Wright Project are candidates for that copying: > > 1. "1540 John" in Haplogroup J2, who was 1540 (year of death) John > Wright of Yorkshire, England, (place of death) and the ancestor of > 1663 Richard Wright of Northumberland County, VA, and his son 1713 > Francis Wright of Westmoreland County, VA, and his son 1729/30 John > Wright of Stafford County, VA, and his sons 1742 Francis Wright of > Prince William County, VA, and 1741 Richard Wright of Westmoreland > County, VA, > > 2. "1792 John"in Haplogroup R1b1a2a1b5a, who was 1792 John Wright of > Fauquier County, VA, possibly son of John Wright (Westmoreland County > Overseer), > > 3. "1767 Francis"in Haplogroup R1a1a1, who my latest research > indicates was the grandson of 1690 Francis Wright of Lancaster County, VA, > > 4. "aft 1771 John the Carpenter"in Haplogroup R1a1a1, who my latest > research indicates was the grandson of 1690 Francis Wright of > Lancaster County, VA, > > 5. "1700 Richard" in Haplogroup R1b1a2, who was probably 1700 Richard > Wright of Stafford County, VA, (the identification of 1700 Richard > Wright as the progenitor of this line is in the probable category > based on circumstantial evidence), > > 6. "1759 James" in Haplogroup I1, who was 1759 James Wright of > Frederick County, VA, > > 7. "1752 John" in Haplogroup R1b1a2, who was 1752 John Wright of York > County, VA, and the father of 1805 William Wright of Fauquier County, > VA, and > > 8. "1769 George"in Haplogroup J2, who was 1769 George Wright of Essex > County, VA. > > My line of descent is from #4 above and 1690 Francis Wright of > Lancaster County, VA, and you may list my name and contact information. > > Best wishes, > > Robert N. Grant > 15 Campo Bello Court > Menlo Park, CA 94025 > > > > > On 10/18/2012 7:32 PM, Jim Bartlett wrote: >> FTDNA did a tweak, and our NorthernNeck-VA Group is now listed. >> >> 1. Login to your FTDNA page >> 2. Under "My Projects" (left side); click on Join Projects >> 3. Scroll down to the Dual Projects category (Y-DNA and mtDNA), and click on >> the N link; then scroll down to NorthernNeck-VA and select it. >> >> I think that's all there is to it. I've added a description of our project, >> including the counties that are in our definition. >> >> Your FTDNA home page will not change, except you can switch between the >> projects you belong to. But your page will look the same. >> >> So if you've tested at FTDNA and have NN Ancestor, please join our project >> in addition to the one you already have. >> >> I am very particular about privacy issues. So I would like each of you who >> join to also let me know that it's OK to list, link and use your name, email >> and DNA Kit# in our discussions. Almost everyone does this nowadays - and it >> sure helps in communicating and discussing the Trees involved. But it's not >> a requirement. Thanks. >> >> When we get several others to join, I'll look at how the Y-DNA displays, and >> how the mtDNA displays on our Public web page. I don't think FTDNA has come >> up with to display Family Finder results on a web page, so that will be up >> to us. I'll try to come up with something that I can paste into the Results >> page. >> >> It was not my intent to research everyone's Tree and find matches for them - >> this is your work (I can help, sometimes). And having discussions on this >> email list will be a big help. >> >> I would hope that each DNA participant will also add their NN ancestors to >> our NN Tree on Ancestry - but this is not mandatory. >> >> It will be very convenient for us to note, in that Tree, which are the >> Common Ancestors (they would have at least two children, a different one >> being the ancestor of each of the people who share an atDNA segment) and >> where the shared segment was located. This will be very important as new >> people take the Family Finder test, and learn they have a match with someone >> who already has a Common Ancestor on the same segment. This is also >> extremely valuable to Adoptees, but the NN Tree is mostly too ancient to >> easily find an ancestral line for them (but, over time, the clues will mount >> up). >> >> I think it will be fairly simple to record matching segments among our >> group in a spreadsheet. This will be very valuable as we get enough matches >> to start having three-somes. This is called Triangulation and means all >> three people share the same Common Ancestor, and you can be pretty positive >> that the shared segment came from that Common Ancestor. >> >> Maybe I can also find a way (maybe a Rootsweb or GenForum Board for the NN) >> to post some steps for getting the most out of Family Finder - I know it's >> best to take it in three phases over several years: 1. Get Ready (make a >> robust Tree, and prepare a standard email to send out; 2. Contact all of >> your matches, trade info, and determine Common Ancestors; and 3. (after you >> have 50-100 Common Ancestors), start mapping your genome. >> >> Let's roll. >> >> Jim Bartlett >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> >> >

Jim, Would it make sense to have the Wright listings from the Wright DNA Project copied over to the Northern Neck Project when the Wright ancestor comes from the Northern Neck? I assume the Wright Project administrators would have to agree. If copying does and copying is possible, then the following on the Wright Project are candidates for that copying: 1. "1540 John" in Haplogroup J2, who was 1540 (year of death) John Wright of Yorkshire, England, (place of death) and the ancestor of 1663 Richard Wright of Northumberland County, VA, and his son 1713 Francis Wright of Westmoreland County, VA, and his son 1729/30 John Wright of Stafford County, VA, and his sons 1742 Francis Wright of Prince William County, VA, and 1741 Richard Wright of Westmoreland County, VA, 2. "1792 John"in Haplogroup R1b1a2a1b5a, who was 1792 John Wright of Fauquier County, VA, possibly son of John Wright (Westmoreland County Overseer), 3. "1767 Francis"in Haplogroup R1a1a1, who my latest research indicates was the grandson of 1690 Francis Wright of Lancaster County, VA, 4. "aft 1771 John the Carpenter"in Haplogroup R1a1a1, who my latest research indicates was the grandson of 1690 Francis Wright of Lancaster County, VA, 5. "1700 Richard" in Haplogroup R1b1a2, who was probably 1700 Richard Wright of Stafford County, VA, (the identification of 1700 Richard Wright as the progenitor of this line is in the probable category based on circumstantial evidence), 6. "1759 James" in Haplogroup I1, who was 1759 James Wright of Frederick County, VA, 7. "1752 John" in Haplogroup R1b1a2, who was 1752 John Wright of York County, VA, and the father of 1805 William Wright of Fauquier County, VA, and 8. "1769 George"in Haplogroup J2, who was 1769 George Wright of Essex County, VA. My line of descent is from #4 above and 1690 Francis Wright of Lancaster County, VA, and you may list my name and contact information. Best wishes, Robert N. Grant 15 Campo Bello Court Menlo Park, CA 94025 On 10/18/2012 7:32 PM, Jim Bartlett wrote: > FTDNA did a tweak, and our NorthernNeck-VA Group is now listed. > > 1. Login to your FTDNA page > 2. Under "My Projects" (left side); click on Join Projects > 3. Scroll down to the Dual Projects category (Y-DNA and mtDNA), and click on > the N link; then scroll down to NorthernNeck-VA and select it. > > I think that's all there is to it. I've added a description of our project, > including the counties that are in our definition. > > Your FTDNA home page will not change, except you can switch between the > projects you belong to. But your page will look the same. > > So if you've tested at FTDNA and have NN Ancestor, please join our project > in addition to the one you already have. > > I am very particular about privacy issues. So I would like each of you who > join to also let me know that it's OK to list, link and use your name, email > and DNA Kit# in our discussions. Almost everyone does this nowadays - and it > sure helps in communicating and discussing the Trees involved. But it's not > a requirement. Thanks. > > When we get several others to join, I'll look at how the Y-DNA displays, and > how the mtDNA displays on our Public web page. I don't think FTDNA has come > up with to display Family Finder results on a web page, so that will be up > to us. I'll try to come up with something that I can paste into the Results > page. > > It was not my intent to research everyone's Tree and find matches for them - > this is your work (I can help, sometimes). And having discussions on this > email list will be a big help. > > I would hope that each DNA participant will also add their NN ancestors to > our NN Tree on Ancestry - but this is not mandatory. > > It will be very convenient for us to note, in that Tree, which are the > Common Ancestors (they would have at least two children, a different one > being the ancestor of each of the people who share an atDNA segment) and > where the shared segment was located. This will be very important as new > people take the Family Finder test, and learn they have a match with someone > who already has a Common Ancestor on the same segment. This is also > extremely valuable to Adoptees, but the NN Tree is mostly too ancient to > easily find an ancestral line for them (but, over time, the clues will mount > up). > > I think it will be fairly simple to record matching segments among our > group in a spreadsheet. This will be very valuable as we get enough matches > to start having three-somes. This is called Triangulation and means all > three people share the same Common Ancestor, and you can be pretty positive > that the shared segment came from that Common Ancestor. > > Maybe I can also find a way (maybe a Rootsweb or GenForum Board for the NN) > to post some steps for getting the most out of Family Finder - I know it's > best to take it in three phases over several years: 1. Get Ready (make a > robust Tree, and prepare a standard email to send out; 2. Contact all of > your matches, trade info, and determine Common Ancestors; and 3. (after you > have 50-100 Common Ancestors), start mapping your genome. > > Let's roll. > > Jim Bartlett > > ------------------------------- > > >

Some of you may have Mozingo ancestry from Westmoreland County. Joe Mozingo has just come out with a book on this interesting family. The first Mozingo was an African slave who came over in 1644, and was given his freedom in 1672. Joe is also a reporter for the LA Times. Here is the note he sent me earlier today: Since you expressed interest in the series, I just wanted to let you know my book, The Fiddler on Pantico Run: An African Warrior, His White Descendants, A Search for Family, is out in bookstores all around the country. http://tinyurl.com/9fvkyre I attached the press release, and here is a Q&A with me from Barnes and Noble: http://tinyurl.com/9p5vo2l Best wishes, Joe

Jim There is a Y-DNA Virginia geographic project for men at FTDNA with ancestral connections prior to 1700. The area included is made up of the eight original Shires (counties): Accawmack (Northampton), Charles City, Charles River (York), Elizabeth City, Henrico, James City, Warrosquyoake (Isle of Wight) and Warwick River (Warwick). Also included is Chickacoan District (Northumberland). Daughter counties are Gloucester, Lancaster, New Kent, Surry, Westmoreland, Accomack, Stafford, Middlesex, New Norfolk, Upper Norfolk, Lower Norfolk, Norfolk, Nansemond, Princess Ann, King and Queen, Essex, and Richmond. I have tried to join but so far they have not given approval. It might be interesting to attempt to couple that project with your new autosomal project. The URL is http://www.familytreedna.com/public/va-1600s/ Jack McAnally Don't bother to look for it yet - I've sent an email to FTDNA, because I can log into the page, but cannot find it to join my Kit. Jim Bartlett

Charlene, George Eskridge was never called the guardian of Mary Ball. This is frequently stated, but in actual fact Mary's mother's will simply left her "tutelage" to him. Craig On Oct 17, 2012, at 3:54 PM, TEbel2888@aol.com wrote: > I found this on the Combs family web site: > > _http://www.combs-families.org/combs/records/va/westmoreland.htm_ > (http://www.combs-families.org/combs/records/va/westmoreland.htm) > Abstr. from Virginia Families, Vol. 2, p. 734, w/add'l data that Geo. > ESKRIDGE m 1st Rebecca, dau. of Samuel and Mary PHILPOT Bonum; m (2) Elizabeth, > dau. of Robert VAULX of Westmoreland; and that he was guardian of Mary > BALL, mother of George WASHINGTON from age 13 to her marriage.) > > Charlene REEDS-EBELING > > > In a message dated 10/16/2012 4:55:37 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > much.bookdr@gmail.com writes: > > Wm & Mary Quarterly, series 1, vol. 14, no. 3 (Jan. 1906), p. 178: "[Mary > Vaulx's] son was Robert^3 Vaulx (will recorded December 1721), who by > Elizabeth Kenner had sons Robert^4 and James^4." I have seen the third > child as Mary, but I don't have documentation to prove it. > > Kathleen Much

I found this on the Combs family web site: _http://www.combs-families.org/combs/records/va/westmoreland.htm_ (http://www.combs-families.org/combs/records/va/westmoreland.htm) Abstr. from Virginia Families, Vol. 2, p. 734, w/add'l data that Geo. ESKRIDGE m 1st Rebecca, dau. of Samuel and Mary PHILPOT Bonum; m (2) Elizabeth, dau. of Robert VAULX of Westmoreland; and that he was guardian of Mary BALL, mother of George WASHINGTON from age 13 to her marriage.) Charlene REEDS-EBELING In a message dated 10/16/2012 4:55:37 P.M. Central Daylight Time, much.bookdr@gmail.com writes: Wm & Mary Quarterly, series 1, vol. 14, no. 3 (Jan. 1906), p. 178: "[Mary Vaulx's] son was Robert^3 Vaulx (will recorded December 1721), who by Elizabeth Kenner had sons Robert^4 and James^4." I have seen the third child as Mary, but I don't have documentation to prove it. Kathleen Much

Don't bother to look for it yet - I've sent an email to FTDNA, because I can log into the page, but cannot find it to join my Kit. Jim Bartlett On 10/17/12, Jim Bartlett<jim4bartletts@verizon.net> wrote: The subject line says it all. I have a few administrative things to do, later today, but it's a go! I'll have to look through my notes, but I'm looking for one or two Co-Admin volunteers to help with the analysis, display methods, and reporting back to this list. We will develop our processes among ourselves. An idea would be to use Dropbox for collaboration. Thanks to all for your enthusiasm and support for this project. I'll let you know soon, specifically, how to join. Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-N[1]ORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message References 1. mailto:ORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com

The subject line says it all. I have a few administrative things to do, later today, but it's a go! I'll have to look through my notes, but I'm looking for one or two Co-Admin volunteers to help with the analysis, display methods, and reporting back to this list. We will develop our processes among ourselves. An idea would be to use Dropbox for collaboration. Thanks to all for your enthusiasm and support for this project. I'll let you know soon, specifically, how to join. Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime!

Here's the documentation for Mary as the third child of Robert Vaulx and Elizabeth Kenner. William A. Crozier, ed., _Westmoreland County Wills_ (Virginia County Record Publications, n.s. 1, 1913), p. 21, citing Will Book 5: "BAGGE, MARY, wife of John Bagge, clerk, 2 Feb. 1712; 5 Sept. 1713. Mentions marriage articles between her and her husband of date 19 Dec. 1711; my dau. Jane Butler and my late husband Caleb Butler; son Robert Vaulx and his dau. Mary; son John Duddlestone; dau. Elizabeth Porten; Mr. Daniel Porten; husband John Bagge; to James son of Elizabeth and John Jarvis; to Wm. Moxley Snr." P. 9, citing Will Book 2: "FOXHALL, JOHN, 10 Feb 1697; 30 March 1698. To Robert Vaulx and Sarah Elliott all my estate in Gt. Britain lying in Birmingham, Warwickshire; to James Vaulx and John Elliott; to Susannah Comocke; to Mary and Martha Elliott; my loving brother Caleb Butler exor." Mary --- Vaulx Gorges Duddleston Butler Bagge must be a sister of John Foxhall. He left property to her two sons and her fourth husband. His sister Sarah Foxhall married John Elliott and had the Elliott children named; she subsequently married Andrew Munroe II. -- Kathleen Much The Book Doctor

_Genealogies of VA Families from the VA Mag. of Hist. and Biog._ (Baltimore, 1981), vol. 3, p. 110: "Capt. Robert Vaulx married before July, 1711, Elizabeth, dau. of Rodham Kenner, and wid. of Richard Bushrod. He d. in 1712, leaving three children. . . . His wid. md. a third time, Rev. Lawrence Debutts, and was still living in October, 1750, as shown by a deed from Anne Fauntleroy, wid., to her son, Bushrod Fauntleroy, among the records of Northumberland County. (The ancestry and marriages of Elizabeth Kenner are given in the Wm. & Mary Quarterly, Vol. 17, p. 63.)" Elizabeth (Kenner) Bushrod Vaulx Debutts was not yet 18 when her father's will was written 1706. _VA Genealogist_ says she was born 1691 and died 1754. Lindsay Opie Duvall, _Northumberland County, VA, 1678-1713_ (VA Colonial Abstracts, series 2, vol. 1), p. 130: "Court 19 July 1711. Page 739. Robert Vaulx and Elizabeth his wife one of the Daughters of Rodham Kenner, Gent., dec'd. Bill in Chancery vs. Chris. Neale and ffrancis Kenner, Gent. Exors. of the dec'ds Will." William A. Crozier, ed., _Westmoreland County Wills_ (Virginia County Record Publications, n.s. 1, 1913), p. 30, citing Will Book 7: "VAULX, (Capt.) ROBERT, 30 Nov. 1721; 5 Dec. 1721. Sons Robert and James; my wife and my three children (third child is not named); wife Elizabeth, Augustine Washington, and Richard Kenner exors." His mother mentions "son Robert Vaulx and his daughter Mary" in her will. Augusta Fothergill, _Wills of Westmoreland County, Virginia, 1654-1800_ (Richmond, 1925; reprinted for Clearfield Co., 1999), p. 75: "VAULX, ROBERT, CAPT., 30 Nov. 1721; 5 Dec. 1721. Land to sons Robert and James; my wife and three children (third child un-named) residue of estate; land at head of Pope's Creek; wife Elizabeth, Augustine Washington and Richard Kenner exrs." Wm & Mary Quarterly, series 1, vol. 14, no. 3 (Jan. 1906), p. 178: "[Mary Vaulx's] son was Robert^3 Vaulx (will recorded December 1721), who by Elizabeth Kenner had sons Robert^4 and James^4." I have seen the third child as Mary, but I don't have documentation to prove it. Kathleen Much

"At the behest", not at the "bequest." -----Original Message----- >From: Brian Conley <bridconley@aol.com> >Sent: Oct 14, 2012 3:17 PM >To: va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Arthur King, Overseer > >Don, > >I'm not sure if I understand your comment completely. Which portion is >"conjecture?" If the information has been "recorded," how is that >different than being "passed down to us." > >I certainly don't want to include information in this overseer study >which is incorrect. However, in many cases, editor additions from other >documents help clarify documents whose information is limited. In these >cases, it is all "recorded" and "passed down to us." > >In the case of Arthur King, it seems clear that something odd was going >on. In his case, I would think clarifying the paradoxical behavior of >the judges, his employer and female accuser would help exonerate him in >the record. > >Overseers were many times asked to do unpleasant things at the bequest >of their employers. Accepting the accusation of "fornication" outside >of marriage seems like one such situation. > >As a descendant of at least one NN overseer and dozens of slaveholders, >I understand the desire to be scrupulously neutral with the record >whenever possible. However, following the story of the record leads us >to the relationships that define our family lines. In such cases, >clarifying and bringing to light the unpleasantness of the story is the >only way to reach the identities of family who have hitherto remained >unknown. > >I hope you will have the opportunity to review my entry for Arthur King >as soon as I get this document up. I would love your feedback. > >Brian. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: King Donald E <donaldeking@me.com> >To: va-northern-neck <va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Thu, Oct 11, 2012 8:28 pm >Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Arthur King, Overseer > > >Since it is only conjecture, I do not think that we should record any >more than what has been passed down to us. > >Arthur's many greats grandson - Don King > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Craig, I haven't worked on the Vaulx line and was only interested in the marriage of Elizabeth Kenner to Lawrence DeButts. The only reason I had Robert, Jr. listed is because of the mention of him in the will below. I "think" the Samuel DeButts below was a nephew of Rev. Lawrence DeButts. Will of Samuel DeButts, SMC* 8/11/1754-9/5/1754. Wife: Mary, all of my lands near the Bay of Chesapeake in SMC that is, the plantation now in the possession of Lewis Oliver called "Clocker's Marsh"; the plantation on which Mark Stephens (deceased) formerly lived; the plantation of "Dunbarr"; dwelling house, outhouses, furniture, negroes in my own possession and the negroes of my property which are in the possession of Robert Vaulx, now of Westmoreland Co., VA; lands now known in VA; plantation adjoining John at Clark's plantation (that's what it says) commonly called "Strife" together with the plantation (adjoining widow Clarke) called "The Brooke"; also plantation now in the possession of James King called "His Lordship's Favour" together with 58 ac. of manor land adjacent. After my wife's decease, then to my friend Barnaby Egan, now of St. Mary's Co. To: Catherine Benson, spinster, niece to my said wife, the sum of 100 lbs. sterling. Execs: Rev. Mr. John Hamilton of Charles Town in Cecil Co., Mr. George Gibson, and the above named Barnaby Egan. Wit: James Armstrong, William Martin, Abagail DeButts. (Maryland Calendar of Wills). *St. Mary's County, MD. Linda Reno -----Original Message----- From: va-northern-neck-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:va-northern-neck-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Craig Kilby Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 9:28 PM To: va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] "Ball Outline" -- Corrections Part 2: FOXFAMILY Linda, Thanks for sending this. Neither Hayden in "Virginia Genealogies" nor Hill in "Ball Outline" included Elizabeth Kenner as a daughter of Rodham Kenner and Hannah Fox. She was, however, in our NN tree on ancestry. Question: Under children by Robert-3 Vaulx (d. 1727) you only mention one son, Robert-4 Vaulx. The will of Robert-3 Vaulx also names a son James and an unnamed 3rd child. Were these his children by a different wife? Did the other two die young? Or, was there some other reason you them off this list? Craig On Oct 14, 2012, at 10:58 AM, Linda Reno wrote: > For those who may be interested: > > Elizabeth Kenner, dau. of Rodham Kenner and Hannah Fox, married (1) Richard > Bushrod (d. 1711), son of Thomas B. (they had a son named Richard, b. 1712); > (2) Robert Vaulx of Westmoreland Co. (Robert Vaulx and Elizabeth, his wife, > one of the daughters and legatees of Rodham Kenner, 8/21/1712) ; and (3) > Rev. Lawrence De Butts. In his will dated 1/18/1727, Richard Kenner > mentions his sister, Elizabeth DeButts. (CD 186, VA Genealogies #2). > > Rev. Lawrence DeButts was rector of St. George's Episcopal Church located in > present-day Valley Lee, MD (St. Mary's County). He died in 1752 and > Elizabeth (Kenner) Bushrod/Vaulx/DeButts died in 1754. They had two > daughters. > > Descendants of Elizabeth Kenner > > > Generation No. 1 > > 1. ELIZABETH3 KENNER (RODHAM2, RICHARD1) was born Bef. 1692 in VA, and > died Abt. 1754 in St. Mary's Co., MD. She married (1) RICHARD BUSHROD Bef. > 1711 in VA. He was born Bef. 1691, and died 1711 in VA. She married (2) > ROBERT VAULX Bef. 1712. He was born Bef. 1692, and died Bef. 1727 in > Westmoreland Co., VA. She married (3) LAWRENCE DEBUTTS Bet. 1721 - 1726 in > VA, son of DEBUTTS. He was born Bef. 1692, and died Jul 1752 in St. Mary's > Co., MD. > > Child of ELIZABETH KENNER and RICHARD BUSHROD is: > i. RICHARD4 BUSHROD, JR., b. 1712, VA. > > > Child of ELIZABETH KENNER and ROBERT VAULX is: > ii. ROBERT4 VAULX, JR., b. Bef. 1727, Westmoreland Co., VA; d. > 1755, Westmoreland Co., VA. > > > Children of ELIZABETH KENNER and LAWRENCE DEBUTTS are: > iii. HANNAH4 DEBUTTS, b. Bef. 1736; d. Aft. 1777, St. Mary's Co., > MD; m. JOHN ATTAWAY CLARKE, Bef. 1751, St. Mary's Co., MD; b. Bef. 1731, St. > Mary's Co., MD; d. 1780, St. Mary's Co., MD. > iv. ELIZABETH DEBUTTS, b. Bef. 1738; d. Aft. 1753; m. ARTHUR > SINCLAIR, Bef. 1753, St. Mary's Co., MD; b. Bef. 1733; d. Aft. 1753, St. > Mary's Co., MD. > > Linda Reno ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Linda, Thanks for sending this. Neither Hayden in "Virginia Genealogies" nor Hill in "Ball Outline" included Elizabeth Kenner as a daughter of Rodham Kenner and Hannah Fox. She was, however, in our NN tree on ancestry. Question: Under children by Robert-3 Vaulx (d. 1727) you only mention one son, Robert-4 Vaulx. The will of Robert-3 Vaulx also names a son James and an unnamed 3rd child. Were these his children by a different wife? Did the other two die young? Or, was there some other reason you them off this list? Craig On Oct 14, 2012, at 10:58 AM, Linda Reno wrote: > For those who may be interested: > > Elizabeth Kenner, dau. of Rodham Kenner and Hannah Fox, married (1) Richard > Bushrod (d. 1711), son of Thomas B. (they had a son named Richard, b. 1712); > (2) Robert Vaulx of Westmoreland Co. (Robert Vaulx and Elizabeth, his wife, > one of the daughters and legatees of Rodham Kenner, 8/21/1712) ; and (3) > Rev. Lawrence De Butts. In his will dated 1/18/1727, Richard Kenner > mentions his sister, Elizabeth DeButts. (CD 186, VA Genealogies #2). > > Rev. Lawrence DeButts was rector of St. George's Episcopal Church located in > present-day Valley Lee, MD (St. Mary's County). He died in 1752 and > Elizabeth (Kenner) Bushrod/Vaulx/DeButts died in 1754. They had two > daughters. > > Descendants of Elizabeth Kenner > > > Generation No. 1 > > 1. ELIZABETH3 KENNER (RODHAM2, RICHARD1) was born Bef. 1692 in VA, and > died Abt. 1754 in St. Mary's Co., MD. She married (1) RICHARD BUSHROD Bef. > 1711 in VA. He was born Bef. 1691, and died 1711 in VA. She married (2) > ROBERT VAULX Bef. 1712. He was born Bef. 1692, and died Bef. 1727 in > Westmoreland Co., VA. She married (3) LAWRENCE DEBUTTS Bet. 1721 - 1726 in > VA, son of DEBUTTS. He was born Bef. 1692, and died Jul 1752 in St. Mary's > Co., MD. > > Child of ELIZABETH KENNER and RICHARD BUSHROD is: > i. RICHARD4 BUSHROD, JR., b. 1712, VA. > > > Child of ELIZABETH KENNER and ROBERT VAULX is: > ii. ROBERT4 VAULX, JR., b. Bef. 1727, Westmoreland Co., VA; d. > 1755, Westmoreland Co., VA. > > > Children of ELIZABETH KENNER and LAWRENCE DEBUTTS are: > iii. HANNAH4 DEBUTTS, b. Bef. 1736; d. Aft. 1777, St. Mary's Co., > MD; m. JOHN ATTAWAY CLARKE, Bef. 1751, St. Mary's Co., MD; b. Bef. 1731, St. > Mary's Co., MD; d. 1780, St. Mary's Co., MD. > iv. ELIZABETH DEBUTTS, b. Bef. 1738; d. Aft. 1753; m. ARTHUR > SINCLAIR, Bef. 1753, St. Mary's Co., MD; b. Bef. 1733; d. Aft. 1753, St. > Mary's Co., MD. > > Linda Reno

Craig, Great. I'll give it a look. I know there are also many overseer agreements I will need to locate as well. Brian -----Original Message----- From: Craig Kilby <persisto1@gmail.com> To: Northern Neck List <VA-NORTHERN-NECK@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sun, Oct 14, 2012 3:41 pm Subject: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Overseers List -- add Joseph Chinn Brian, Starting a new thread because the other one is getting too long. Unless I "overlooked" it, I did not see the name of Joseph Chinn on this list. That is a very well documented record, from the Letter Book of Joseph Ball (original at NRA, film at MBW), nephew of Joseph-2 Ball, then living in England, with outrageously detailed instructions to Joseph Chinn on how to manage his Morattico Plantation and "The Forest" (now called Epping Forest) in Lancaster County, including extremely detailed instructions on what to do with with various slaves at various sites on the property. This was mostly in the 1743 forward time frame. This letter book, along with the Robert "King" Carter letters you are likely to find for the Northern Neck. If there are more, I am not aware of them. I hope there are. Craig ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message