Craig Let's look on the positive side: The NN DNA website will show Y-DNA and mtDNA results. I will also post the NN matches and Common Ancestors on that website. I added up the number of matches that everyone in our project have already gotten in Family Finder tests already on the books. It was from 7 of the 9 participants who had signed up by this morning. It shows we should have a number of NN Common Ancestors in there somewhere - this is good news. On the contrary, Craig - the NN Common Ancestors will benefit the people who take this test; all the members of his/her family; all the descendants of those Ancestors, including many of us; and every one interested in NN families who will benefit by the determination of each Common Ancestor - each one of these will be good news to this list. Time will tell, but I think this list will play a key role in this. Let's give it a chance. Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! On Oct 19, 2012, at 10:00 PM, Craig Kilby <persisto1@gmail.com> wrote: > OK....I get all this part. This is just another building block we have. The FTDN web site itself isn't really going to tell us anything. But it will tell YOU something. > > I still don't know what you meant by 2,000 matches from just five participants, none of which are atDNA???? (Or two of them?) > > You'll have to patient with us. Obviously, only those who take the test will get the benefits of it, but this list can hopefully be a great forum to talk about who the Mystery Common Ancestors might be. Right? > > Craig

Actually, going back as far as 12 generations, I've documented 8 different sets of cousins in my ancestry, including my parents who were 8th cousins. Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! On Oct 19, 2012, at 10:35 PM, "Ann Avery Hunter" <Sanseann@triad.rr.com> wrote: > It was a way of life in Virginia. Two sets of my great-grandparents were > cousins, one in Louisa Co. and one in Henrico. > > Ann > > -----Original Message----- > From: Craig Kilby > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 10:03 PM > To: va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Autosomal DNA Project forNorthern Neck > Families > > One small caveat: Nobody on earth probably really has 64 completely > different 4th great grandparents. There is always the "double cousin" > effect. Minor point, but just sayin'.... [Having said that, I know of only > once case where that applies to me that far back. Perhaps I should say when > it gets to 5th great-grandparents.] For the Northern Neck crowd, and their > propensity to marry their cousins, that number is even lower. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It was a way of life in Virginia. Two sets of my great-grandparents were cousins, one in Louisa Co. and one in Henrico. Ann -----Original Message----- From: Craig Kilby Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 10:03 PM To: va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Autosomal DNA Project forNorthern Neck Families One small caveat: Nobody on earth probably really has 64 completely different 4th great grandparents. There is always the "double cousin" effect. Minor point, but just sayin'.... [Having said that, I know of only once case where that applies to me that far back. Perhaps I should say when it gets to 5th great-grandparents.] For the Northern Neck crowd, and their propensity to marry their cousins, that number is even lower.

Jim, You skipped over this question. You have FIVE respondents so far, of which all or most were only Y-DNA or mt-DNA tests. How can there already be 2,000 matches? I am not getting this part, Craig On Oct 19, 2012, at 9:48 PM, Jim Bartlett wrote: > With 2,000 matches in our "pool" we could expect 120 or so to be from the NN.

One small caveat: Nobody on earth probably really has 64 completely different 4th great grandparents. There is always the "double cousin" effect. Minor point, but just sayin'.... [Having said that, I know of only once case where that applies to me that far back. Perhaps I should say when it gets to 5th great-grandparents.] For the Northern Neck crowd, and their propensity to marry their cousins, that number is even lower. On Oct 19, 2012, at 9:48 PM, Jim Bartlett wrote: > Some math: if your NN ancestors were 6 generations back, that's where your 64 4G grandparents are

OK....I get all this part. This is just another building block we have. The FTDN web site itself isn't really going to tell us anything. But it will tell YOU something. I still don't know what you meant by 2,000 matches from just five participants, none of which are atDNA???? (Or two of them?) You'll have to patient with us. Obviously, only those who take the test will get the benefits of it, but this list can hopefully be a great forum to talk about who the Mystery Common Ancestors might be. Right? Craig On Oct 19, 2012, at 9:28 PM, Jim Bartlett wrote: > Craig > > The Family Finder DNA test is based on a segment (hunk, block, string) of DNA that is exactly the same in two people - we call it a shared segment. This shared segment started with a Common Ancestor (a man or woman) who passed a larger segment to each of two children; each child passed some of that DNA down to one of their children, etc until two living descendants, cousins, got tested and found they had the exact same smaller segment. > > So the test result is always between two people. Each person who tests gets a list of people with whom they share such a matching DNA segment. It's up to the two people to each have a robust Tree (we have a collective one that may be better than most individuals have); communicate with each other (our participants know each other from this list); share info and find the Common Ancestor or extend the Tree of one or both back to a Common Ancestor (both our Tree and our list will help with this). > > The FTDNA system was set up based on 2 people working together to find a Common Ancestor - we are breaking new ground here. Each of the 2 people in a match will have many advantages with NN Ancestors, as outlined above, which others don't have. > > There is great benefit to knowing which DNA segments are involved in each match - this is where I come in. > > There is also great benefit in knowing who of your matches have NN ancestors - we can help here too. Given our list of participants, they will be able to easily look for them among their other matches. > > So the task of finding the Common Ancestors is up to the two people, and they can ask this list for help. > > Reporting the findings will be something I will have to work out. At the least I can post the Common Ancestors through a word page on the webpage. This will show ancestral lines that are proved by matching DNA. > > I'm also open ideas. > > Note: only 5 of 10 have responded so far on listing their names - we're doing good. > > Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! > > On Oct 19, 2012, at 8:01 PM, Craig Kilby <persisto1@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Jim, >> >> If the point was to be doing autosomal tests, what is the point if nobody can see it? I really do NOT understand. >> >> When you say 5 out of 10, does that mean five said NO or just that you haven't heard back from them. As you know, I asked the administrator of the Kilby Y-DNA project to link it. I haven't' heard back from him yet, but no doubt will (except I just remembered he put something on his fb page about a week ago looking forward to some camping trip out West.....) >> >> Please forgive me for my ignorance on how all this is supposed to work. >> >> Craig >> >> On Oct 19, 2012, at 7:34 PM, Jim Bartlett wrote: >> >>> Craig >>> >>> FTDNA sets the tabs. They don't have a way to show Family Finder, yet. We don't really know what to show. >>> >>> I'll try to come up with something. At the least we should list who's in the project, but I need to get an OK from each one first. I've got 5 out of 10 so far. >>> >>> Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! >>> >>> On Oct 19, 2012, at 5:38 PM, Craig Kilby <persisto1@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Jim, >>>> >>>> Will there be a tab of autosomal tests, or is that somehow included in the ones that have numbers stretching into infinity on the site? >>>> >>>> Craig >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Craig, et al Pardon me - you are correct. I slipped into jargon, and anyone should call me one it. Each person gets a list of matches - typically between 200 and 350. These are all their cousins - they just don't know how yet. So I tallied up all those numbers. It shows there are a lot of possibilities out there. Some math: if your NN ancestors were 6 generations back, that's where your 64 4G grandparents are; and most of your matches would be 5th cousins. Suppose you had 4 such NN ancestors. Then, on average, 1/16 of your matches would be from the NN. With 2,000 matches in our "pool" we could expect 120 or so to be from the NN. The number would grow by 10-15 with each new person who joins our group. Yes some will be duplicates, but I think we have a good base to work from, with only the few who have already joined. Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! On Oct 19, 2012, at 6:24 PM, Craig Kilby <persisto1@gmail.com> wrote: > Jim.....remember there are lot of us not exactly up to your speed here. What do you mean 9 participants "with almost 2,000 matches."? 2,000 matches of what? > > Craig > > On Oct 19, 2012, at 5:50 PM, Jim Bartlett wrote: > >> David >> >> We're waiting for you and your sister.... Just kidding;>j >> >> As of this morning we have 9 participants with almost 2,000 matches (not all with NN of course). I'm sure we have more in the wings... > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Craig The Family Finder DNA test is based on a segment (hunk, block, string) of DNA that is exactly the same in two people - we call it a shared segment. This shared segment started with a Common Ancestor (a man or woman) who passed a larger segment to each of two children; each child passed some of that DNA down to one of their children, etc until two living descendants, cousins, got tested and found they had the exact same smaller segment. So the test result is always between two people. Each person who tests gets a list of people with whom they share such a matching DNA segment. It's up to the two people to each have a robust Tree (we have a collective one that may be better than most individuals have); communicate with each other (our participants know each other from this list); share info and find the Common Ancestor or extend the Tree of one or both back to a Common Ancestor (both our Tree and our list will help with this). The FTDNA system was set up based on 2 people working together to find a Common Ancestor - we are breaking new ground here. Each of the 2 people in a match will have many advantages with NN Ancestors, as outlined above, which others don't have. There is great benefit to knowing which DNA segments are involved in each match - this is where I come in. There is also great benefit in knowing who of your matches have NN ancestors - we can help here too. Given our list of participants, they will be able to easily look for them among their other matches. So the task of finding the Common Ancestors is up to the two people, and they can ask this list for help. Reporting the findings will be something I will have to work out. At the least I can post the Common Ancestors through a word page on the webpage. This will show ancestral lines that are proved by matching DNA. I'm also open ideas. Note: only 5 of 10 have responded so far on listing their names - we're doing good. Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! On Oct 19, 2012, at 8:01 PM, Craig Kilby <persisto1@gmail.com> wrote: > Jim, > > If the point was to be doing autosomal tests, what is the point if nobody can see it? I really do NOT understand. > > When you say 5 out of 10, does that mean five said NO or just that you haven't heard back from them. As you know, I asked the administrator of the Kilby Y-DNA project to link it. I haven't' heard back from him yet, but no doubt will (except I just remembered he put something on his fb page about a week ago looking forward to some camping trip out West.....) > > Please forgive me for my ignorance on how all this is supposed to work. > > Craig > > On Oct 19, 2012, at 7:34 PM, Jim Bartlett wrote: > >> Craig >> >> FTDNA sets the tabs. They don't have a way to show Family Finder, yet. We don't really know what to show. >> >> I'll try to come up with something. At the least we should list who's in the project, but I need to get an OK from each one first. I've got 5 out of 10 so far. >> >> Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! >> >> On Oct 19, 2012, at 5:38 PM, Craig Kilby <persisto1@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Jim, >>> >>> Will there be a tab of autosomal tests, or is that somehow included in the ones that have numbers stretching into infinity on the site? >>> >>> Craig >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jim, If the point was to be doing autosomal tests, what is the point if nobody can see it? I really do NOT understand. When you say 5 out of 10, does that mean five said NO or just that you haven't heard back from them. As you know, I asked the administrator of the Kilby Y-DNA project to link it. I haven't' heard back from him yet, but no doubt will (except I just remembered he put something on his fb page about a week ago looking forward to some camping trip out West.....) Please forgive me for my ignorance on how all this is supposed to work. Craig On Oct 19, 2012, at 7:34 PM, Jim Bartlett wrote: > Craig > > FTDNA sets the tabs. They don't have a way to show Family Finder, yet. We don't really know what to show. > > I'll try to come up with something. At the least we should list who's in the project, but I need to get an OK from each one first. I've got 5 out of 10 so far. > > Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! > > On Oct 19, 2012, at 5:38 PM, Craig Kilby <persisto1@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Jim, >> >> Will there be a tab of autosomal tests, or is that somehow included in the ones that have numbers stretching into infinity on the site? >> >> Craig >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jude, Interesting list of names. I'd definitely to know more about the Creels--they turn up as neighbors and in one-case a marriage to the Kilbys in Culpeper, but I've never definitively connected them to the ones in the NN. Unfortunately, you have not yet added any of them to the NN tree (sob!). Likewise Dodson and McNeale. Smoot is a Maryland name who like to show up everywhere else while they're at it. There are only 4 Smoots in our tree. A lot could be done with that family. Craig On Oct 19, 2012, at 3:53 AM, Jude Degen wrote: > > Hey Jim-I just joined the project on FTDNA & want to let you know it's OK to list my name, kit # & email. My family names that fall into this group are: > > Ball, Owen, McNeale, Creel, Dodson, Durham, Hunt, Smoot, Wilson > > Thanks for organizing this project! Jude Degen > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Bartlett <jim4bartletts@verizon.net> > To: va-northern-neck <va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thu, Oct 18, 2012 10:34 pm > Subject: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] NorthernNeck-VA DNA Group is up and ready! > > > > FTDNA did a tweak, and our NorthernNeck-VA Group is now listed. > > 1. Login to your FTDNA page > 2. Under "My Projects" (left side); click on Join Projects > 3. Scroll down to the Dual Projects category (Y-DNA and mtDNA), and click on > the N link; then scroll down to NorthernNeck-VA and select it. > > I think that's all there is to it. I've added a description of our project, > including the counties that are in our definition. > > Your FTDNA home page will not change, except you can switch between the > projects you belong to. But your page will look the same. > > So if you've tested at FTDNA and have NN Ancestor, please join our project > in addition to the one you already have. > > I am very particular about privacy issues. So I would like each of you who > join to also let me know that it's OK to list, link and use your name, email > and DNA Kit# in our discussions. Almost everyone does this nowadays - and it > sure helps in communicating and discussing the Trees involved. But it's not > a requirement. Thanks. > > When we get several others to join, I'll look at how the Y-DNA displays, and > how the mtDNA displays on our Public web page. I don't think FTDNA has come > up with to display Family Finder results on a web page, so that will be up > to us. I'll try to come up with something that I can paste into the Results > page. > > It was not my intent to research everyone's Tree and find matches for them - > this is your work (I can help, sometimes). And having discussions on this > email list will be a big help. > > I would hope that each DNA participant will also add their NN ancestors to > our NN Tree on Ancestry - but this is not mandatory. > > It will be very convenient for us to note, in that Tree, which are the > Common Ancestors (they would have at least two children, a different one > being the ancestor of each of the people who share an atDNA segment) and > where the shared segment was located. This will be very important as new > people take the Family Finder test, and learn they have a match with someone > who already has a Common Ancestor on the same segment. This is also > extremely valuable to Adoptees, but the NN Tree is mostly too ancient to > easily find an ancestral line for them (but, over time, the clues will mount > up). > > I think it will be fairly simple to record matching segments among our > group in a spreadsheet. This will be very valuable as we get enough matches > to start having three-somes. This is called Triangulation and means all > three people share the same Common Ancestor, and you can be pretty positive > that the shared segment came from that Common Ancestor. > > Maybe I can also find a way (maybe a Rootsweb or GenForum Board for the NN) > to post some steps for getting the most out of Family Finder - I know it's > best to take it in three phases over several years: 1. Get Ready (make a > robust Tree, and prepare a standard email to send out; 2. Contact all of > your matches, trade info, and determine Common Ancestors; and 3. (after you > have 50-100 Common Ancestors), start mapping your genome. > > Let's roll. > > Jim Bartlett > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

With respect to item #3--ONLY IF PEOPLE PUT THEM IN THERE. On Oct 19, 2012, at 7:25 PM, Jim Bartlett wrote: > Some of the powerful features of this list coupled with the DNA project include: > > 1. All the participants have ancestors in the same area - this is a big plus > 2. This list provides a built in communication method - responses to all requests are pretty much guaranteed, with excellent help from every one else on this list. > 3. With our NN Tree we already have a robust Tree that is easy to access and update. Our Common Ancestors should be much easier to find. > 4. All of the participants are generally known to each other so they will be easy to pick out as matches. > 5. A technical detail is that the DNA Admins will be able to look at all participants and form groups of matches that helps target Common Ancestors. This is key to finding ancestors behind brick walls, or in incorrect Trees.

Craig FTDNA sets the tabs. They don't have a way to show Family Finder, yet. We don't really know what to show. I'll try to come up with something. At the least we should list who's in the project, but I need to get an OK from each one first. I've got 5 out of 10 so far. Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! On Oct 19, 2012, at 5:38 PM, Craig Kilby <persisto1@gmail.com> wrote: > Jim, > > Will there be a tab of autosomal tests, or is that somehow included in the ones that have numbers stretching into infinity on the site? > > Craig > > >

Some of the powerful features of this list coupled with the DNA project include: 1. All the participants have ancestors in the same area - this is a big plus 2. This list provides a built in communication method - responses to all requests are pretty much guaranteed, with excellent help from every one else on this list. 3. With our NN Tree we already have a robust Tree that is easy to access and update. Our Common Ancestors should be much easier to find. 4. All of the participants are generally known to each other so they will be easy to pick out as matches. 5. A technical detail is that the DNA Admins will be able to look at all participants and form groups of matches that helps target Common Ancestors. This is key to finding ancestors behind brick walls, or in incorrect Trees. I'm looking forward to this project. Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime!

We have the opportunity to list surnames associated with our NN DNA Project. I started to copy them from the NN Tree Index, but ran out of steam before I was through the "B"s. I think the surnames in our DNA Project should reflect the surnames of the participants. I also think we should add some identifying info with each surname in parens, to include a NN county. Example: BARTLETT (Richmond 1720-1900) Looking for any discussion on this. Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime!

Jim.....remember there are lot of us not exactly up to your speed here. What do you mean 9 participants "with almost 2,000 matches."? 2,000 matches of what? Craig On Oct 19, 2012, at 5:50 PM, Jim Bartlett wrote: > David > > We're waiting for you and your sister.... Just kidding;>j > > As of this morning we have 9 participants with almost 2,000 matches (not all with NN of course). I'm sure we have more in the wings...

David We're waiting for you and your sister.... Just kidding;>j As of this morning we have 9 participants with almost 2,000 matches (not all with NN of course). I'm sure we have more in the wings... Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! On Oct 11, 2012, at 3:45 PM, DAVID BROWN <dbrown544@prodigy.net> wrote: > Thanks so much Jim! When the NN Project is available, I will be sure to add both myself and my sister to the list. My sister actually has some matches who show Dameron family ancestry in their family trees whereas my matches do not (at least they don't show obvious Dameron ancestry). This is yet another intriguing aspect of DNA autosomal testing. Of my 260 or so matches through the FTDNA Family Finder (autosomal) testing, I only share about 50% of that number with my sister! I have heard elsewhere that 50% is a good baseline with most siblings! You would think this percentage of shared matches between siblings would be significantly higher. Amazing! As such, my sister's testing has opened up other avenues for me to possibly break down the proverbial brick walls! > > Thanks again! > > David Brown

Jim, Will there be a tab of autosomal tests, or is that somehow included in the ones that have numbers stretching into infinity on the site? Craig

I started to answer an off-line question, and decided to post it here for all: Joining the NN DNA Project: People usually get tested from an existing project. We then basically link someone's FTDNA kit/results to other projects they want to join. These typically include Y-DNA or mtDNA haplogroup projects or geographic projects (like ours). This does not change their personal FTDNA webpage, it just adds their webpage to another group. Each person's webpage has info (ancestors, surnames, contact info, gedcoms) that the person has entered, and results data and information that FTDNA automatically uploads. The Admin (like me) is responsible for the information about the project (description, goals/objectives, updates, etc) and forming any groups with the Y or mt lines. Each group, ours included, has an FTDNA Public website. Ours is: http://www.familytreedna.com/public/NorthernNeck-VA/ You can see the Y-DNA results and the mtDNA results there, just as you can by going to the various other public websites where these Kits are - they are conveniently displayed here (also) for our group analysis. Full names and emails are NOT divulged by FTDNA on these lists which are automatically updated by FTDNA (a big help to me). FTDNA has not come up with any way to show Family Finder results on the public website. We have to work this out for ourselves - clearly a first step will be who-matches-whom with a NN Common Ancestor. More later... Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! On Oct 19, 2012, at 9:29 AM, Craig Kilby <persisto1@gmail.com> wrote: > Rick, Jim has the Northern Neck tree up. Here his amended instructions. He also needs to know if he has your permission to your kit#, email, etc. Any questions, email him, please copy me. I don't have any idea how to get into our project or link it to this one. > > Craig > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: Jim Bartlett <jim4bartletts@verizon.net> >> Date: October 19, 2012 1:23:57 AM EDT >> To: "va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com" <va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com> >> Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] NorthernNeck-VA DNA Group is up and ready! >> Reply-To: va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com >> >> Fixed, Thanks, >> >> Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! >> >> On Oct 18, 2012, at 11:24 PM, "Ann Avery Hunter" <Sanseann@triad.rr.com> wrote: >> >>> I see the page for the project with the link to join at the bottom, but the >>> space for description is blank. >>> >>> Ann >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Jim Bartlett >>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 10:32 PM >>> To: va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] NorthernNeck-VA DNA Group is up and ready! >>> >>> >>> FTDNA did a tweak, and our NorthernNeck-VA Group is now listed. >>> >>> 1. Login to your FTDNA page >>> 2. Under "My Projects" (left side); click on Join Projects >>> 3. Scroll down to the Dual Projects category (Y-DNA and mtDNA), and click >>> on >>> the N link; then scroll down to NorthernNeck-VA and select it. >>> >>> I think that's all there is to it. I've added a description of our >>> project, >>> including the counties that are in our definition. >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

it's OK to list, link and use my name, email and DNA Kit# in our discussions Susannah Tyler On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 10:32 PM, Jim Bartlett <jim4bartletts@verizon.net>wrote: > > FTDNA did a tweak, and our NorthernNeck-VA Group is now listed. > > 1. Login to your FTDNA page > 2. Under "My Projects" (left side); click on Join Projects > 3. Scroll down to the Dual Projects category (Y-DNA and mtDNA), and > click on > the N link; then scroll down to NorthernNeck-VA and select it. > > I think that's all there is to it. I've added a description of our > project, > including the counties that are in our definition. > > Your FTDNA home page will not change, except you can switch between the > projects you belong to. But your page will look the same. > > So if you've tested at FTDNA and have NN Ancestor, please join our > project > in addition to the one you already have. > > I am very particular about privacy issues. So I would like each of you > who > join to also let me know that it's OK to list, link and use your name, > email > and DNA Kit# in our discussions. Almost everyone does this nowadays - > and it > sure helps in communicating and discussing the Trees involved. But it's > not > a requirement. Thanks. > > When we get several others to join, I'll look at how the Y-DNA > displays, and > how the mtDNA displays on our Public web page. I don't think FTDNA has > come > up with to display Family Finder results on a web page, so that will be > up > to us. I'll try to come up with something that I can paste into the > Results > page. > > It was not my intent to research everyone's Tree and find matches for > them - > this is your work (I can help, sometimes). And having discussions on > this > email list will be a big help. > > I would hope that each DNA participant will also add their NN ancestors > to > our NN Tree on Ancestry - but this is not mandatory. > > It will be very convenient for us to note, in that Tree, which are the > Common Ancestors (they would have at least two children, a different one > being the ancestor of each of the people who share an atDNA segment) and > where the shared segment was located. This will be very important as > new > people take the Family Finder test, and learn they have a match with > someone > who already has a Common Ancestor on the same segment. This is also > extremely valuable to Adoptees, but the NN Tree is mostly too ancient to > easily find an ancestral line for them (but, over time, the clues will > mount > up). > > I think it will be fairly simple to record matching segments among our > group in a spreadsheet. This will be very valuable as we get enough > matches > to start having three-somes. This is called Triangulation and means all > three people share the same Common Ancestor, and you can be pretty > positive > that the shared segment came from that Common Ancestor. > > Maybe I can also find a way (maybe a Rootsweb or GenForum Board for the > NN) > to post some steps for getting the most out of Family Finder - I know > it's > best to take it in three phases over several years: 1. Get Ready (make a > robust Tree, and prepare a standard email to send out; 2. Contact all of > your matches, trade info, and determine Common Ancestors; and 3. (after > you > have 50-100 Common Ancestors), start mapping your genome. > > Let's roll. > > Jim Bartlett > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Susannah Tyler

Hey Jim-I just joined the project on FTDNA & want to let you know it's OK to list my name, kit # & email. My family names that fall into this group are: Ball, Owen, McNeale, Creel, Dodson, Durham, Hunt, Smoot, Wilson Thanks for organizing this project! Jude Degen -----Original Message----- From: Jim Bartlett <jim4bartletts@verizon.net> To: va-northern-neck <va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, Oct 18, 2012 10:34 pm Subject: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] NorthernNeck-VA DNA Group is up and ready! FTDNA did a tweak, and our NorthernNeck-VA Group is now listed. 1. Login to your FTDNA page 2. Under "My Projects" (left side); click on Join Projects 3. Scroll down to the Dual Projects category (Y-DNA and mtDNA), and click on the N link; then scroll down to NorthernNeck-VA and select it. I think that's all there is to it. I've added a description of our project, including the counties that are in our definition. Your FTDNA home page will not change, except you can switch between the projects you belong to. But your page will look the same. So if you've tested at FTDNA and have NN Ancestor, please join our project in addition to the one you already have. I am very particular about privacy issues. So I would like each of you who join to also let me know that it's OK to list, link and use your name, email and DNA Kit# in our discussions. Almost everyone does this nowadays - and it sure helps in communicating and discussing the Trees involved. But it's not a requirement. Thanks. When we get several others to join, I'll look at how the Y-DNA displays, and how the mtDNA displays on our Public web page. I don't think FTDNA has come up with to display Family Finder results on a web page, so that will be up to us. I'll try to come up with something that I can paste into the Results page. It was not my intent to research everyone's Tree and find matches for them - this is your work (I can help, sometimes). And having discussions on this email list will be a big help. I would hope that each DNA participant will also add their NN ancestors to our NN Tree on Ancestry - but this is not mandatory. It will be very convenient for us to note, in that Tree, which are the Common Ancestors (they would have at least two children, a different one being the ancestor of each of the people who share an atDNA segment) and where the shared segment was located. This will be very important as new people take the Family Finder test, and learn they have a match with someone who already has a Common Ancestor on the same segment. This is also extremely valuable to Adoptees, but the NN Tree is mostly too ancient to easily find an ancestral line for them (but, over time, the clues will mount up). I think it will be fairly simple to record matching segments among our group in a spreadsheet. This will be very valuable as we get enough matches to start having three-somes. This is called Triangulation and means all three people share the same Common Ancestor, and you can be pretty positive that the shared segment came from that Common Ancestor. Maybe I can also find a way (maybe a Rootsweb or GenForum Board for the NN) to post some steps for getting the most out of Family Finder - I know it's best to take it in three phases over several years: 1. Get Ready (make a robust Tree, and prepare a standard email to send out; 2. Contact all of your matches, trade info, and determine Common Ancestors; and 3. (after you have 50-100 Common Ancestors), start mapping your genome. Let's roll. Jim Bartlett ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message