To all, This is precisely the point. The results will validate lineages and benefit everyone. The DNA is between two people that match, but what that match tells us applies to everyone in that family, and to all researchers. Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! On Oct 20, 2012, at 9:24 AM, James Burnett <dougb81042@gmail.com> wrote: > Why wouldn't the results apply to those of us who have a well documented > and reasonably close kinship to someone who takes the test? > > On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 10:00 PM, Craig Kilby <persisto1@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Obviously, only those who take the test will get the benefits of it, > > > > > -- > Douglas Burnett > Satellite Beach > FL >

Blackwell, Joseph 1610-1685 Northumberland Downing, William 1665- ? Northumberland Holbrook, Randolph c 1660-1725 Stafford Jones, Elizabeth c 1642-1699 Stafford Marshall, John c 1596-1688 Westmoreland Morriss/Morris, Charles c 1712-1797 Westmoreland Pinckard, John c 1635-1690 Lancaster Stanway, Ann c 1699-1732 Stafford Steptoe, Anthony c 1653-1709 Lancaster Stone, William c 1763- bef 1831 Westmoreland West, Joseph P. c 1662-1731 Stafford >________________________________ > From: Jim Bartlett <jim4bartletts@verizon.net> >To: va-northern-neck <va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 3:42 PM >Subject: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Identify NN Ancestors for DNA > >For participants in the NN DNA group, please post here or send to me the following information about your NN Patriarchs (or Matriarchs): > >SURNAME, FirstName b yr-d yr NN county. > >I think this has much more info than a surname only list, and it is sufficient info to tie down the ancestor in a pretty compact format. > >I would put all of these in alphabetical order (that would be easy to scan by anyone) and I would add the names of our DNA participants who had that ancestor (so they will know to look for them on their match lists) > >Example: > >BARTLETT, Thomas c1705-1783 Richmond: James V Bartlett, Jr; James V Bartlett, Sr; David D Bartlett* > >* I'll have to think about this one. I know David D Bartlett did FF, he matches me, and he descends from Thomas. So he is also a known FF tester (but hasn't joined our NN project, yet) who is known to have a NN ancestor, so the NN Project members should also look for his name as a match) waddayathink? > >If all the DNA participants will do this, it will save me a lot of retyping and I can focus on arrangement. I'll try posting this list on this list serve from time to time. It will be good for everyone else on this list to see, and comment on the ones they know, if they want. > >I think this would be a good starting point that will give everyone on this list a good idea of the scope of this project (be it large or small). > >Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Craig I think I see the confusion here. The Y-DNA test uses only the Y-chromosome - the smallest chromosome of all (by far), but with the unique property of passing only from father to son. The mtDNA test uses only the mitochondrial DNA, which is not even a chromosome - it also has a unique property - passing only from mothers to children, not passed on by men The atDNA test uses the autosomal DNA, chromosomes 1 to 22, representing over 95% if all you DNA. It is passed from parents to children - you get 50% from each parent. These three tests are very different (apples, oranges, cranberries). They are each very powerful tools but don't interrelate. The genealogies do interrelate, but the DNA tools must be used separately (think hammer, saw and screwdriver when building a birdhouse) Hope this helps, Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! On Oct 20, 2012, at 1:07 AM, Craig Kilby <persisto1@gmail.com> wrote: > Jim, > > I am all in all this, believe me. Maybe I am having a hard catching up with the whole process and plan. Some comments below: > > On Oct 19, 2012, at 11:35 PM, Jim Bartlett wrote: > >> Craig >> >> Let's look on the positive side: >> >> The NN DNA website will show Y-DNA and mtDNA results. I will also post the NN matches and Common Ancestors on that website. > > Understood, and this may be helpful overall. As you know with our Kilby project (one of the 5 or 3 not yet linked) I will be astounded if any of that y-DNA matches any of the autosomal dna tests, and doubly astounded if it matches somebody elses Y-DNA study. This is what I am not clear on (for one). >> >> I added up the number of matches that everyone in our project have already gotten in Family Finder tests already on the books. It was from 7 of the 9 participants who had signed up by this morning. It shows we should have a number of NN Common Ancestors in there somewhere - this is good news. > > Now here you go. This starts to explain things. You are matching other tests who have taken at-DNA tests. Is that right? NOT Y-NDA or mt-DNA, but at-DNA. Here is where I really need clarification on what we are doing. Or, I should say, you are doing. >> >> On the contrary, Craig - the NN Common Ancestors will benefit the people who take this test; all the members of his/her family; all the descendants of those Ancestors, including many of us; and every one interested in NN families who will benefit by the determination of each Common Ancestor - each one of these will be good news to this list. > > By this I think you mean it will help everyone on our NN rootsweb list and those who are inputting their trees into our NN ancestry tree whether or not they do the test. Right? [I certainly hope so] > > I think we need to get to common language of what is what. We have so many different projects going. > > On the bright side, Jim. I received an e-mail from one your participants who is on rootsweb list who now has the motivation to start putting her ancestry into our NN tree. > > Yes, Jim. I suppose we are being cutting edge here, and I think it is a wonderful project. I can confidently predict we are all going to blown away by the results. It may take a good year to start making sense, but I know eventually this is going to a very worthwhile project. > > Craig >> >> Time will tell, but I think this list will play a key role in this. Let's give it a chance. >> >> Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! >> >> On Oct 19, 2012, at 10:00 PM, Craig Kilby <persisto1@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> OK....I get all this part. This is just another building block we have. The FTDN web site itself isn't really going to tell us anything. But it will tell YOU something. >>> >>> I still don't know what you meant by 2,000 matches from just five participants, none of which are atDNA???? (Or two of them?) >>> >>> You'll have to patient with us. Obviously, only those who take the test will get the benefits of it, but this list can hopefully be a great forum to talk about who the Mystery Common Ancestors might be. Right? >>> >>> Craig >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jim Absolutely. You still pay, but no new sample required. My uncle did Y in 2004, and died in 2006. I paid for a Family Finder test on that sample in 2011. It's always good to get key relatives to submit a DNA sample for any test, just to get it on file. FTDNA stores each sample for 20 years! This service is included in the price. As is an email to you with all future matches. (I get such an email at least monthly) Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! On Oct 20, 2012, at 9:32 AM, James Burnett <dougb81042@gmail.com> wrote: > Jim > If you have taken the yDNA test from FTDNA, can they use the same sample to > do FF? > > On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 12:27 AM, Jim Bartlett <jim4bartletts@verizon.net>wrote: > >> All together the 7 who took the Family Finder test had 2,000 matches. It's >> just an indication of how many others are in the mix and weather we're >> likely to get many Common Ancestors from the NN. > > > > > -- > Douglas Burnett > Satellite Beach > FL > As a member of the Association of Professional Genealogists (APG), the > National Genealogical Society (NGS), the Florida State Genealogical > Society(FSGS) and the Virginia Genealogical Society(VGS), I support and > adhere to the APG's Code of Ethics. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Uh? My surname is not NN. My NN surname, BRENT, ends at my grandmother. Only a small portion of my tree is NN, but that includes 11 surnames. You are going to get many times that from some participants. I'm sending for my test tomorrow and assume I need to wait until results are in to join the project. Barbara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Bartlett" <jim4bartletts@verizon.net> To: "va-northern-neck" <va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 3:39 PM Subject: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] NN Surnames for DNA Project > We have the opportunity to list surnames associated with our NN DNA > Project. I started to copy them from the NN Tree Index, but ran out of > steam before I was through the "B"s. > > I think the surnames in our DNA Project should reflect the surnames of the > participants. I also think we should add some identifying info with each > surname in parens, to include a NN county. Example: BARTLETT (Richmond > 1720-1900) > > Looking for any discussion on this. > > Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Jim, Don't you dare lay low. This is all new and exciting. One thing I know with long-term clients is that DNA studies cannot succeed without doing the paper trail. I am going to look up a will land a marriage bond today when on duty at MBW to show a major addition/change to the Sydnor/Taylor family .... using one unrecorded deed. Oh, those troublesome unrecorded deeds from loose papers. Stay tuned for that. In the mean time, these DNA studies unearth mountains of information even if not readily discernible. This is a fantastic group of people. I am hoping this will encourage more people to participate in the ancestry.com NN Families tree. I know it is klunky and off-putting, but it does work if you learn your way around it. It's all we've got that is FREE. Craig On Oct 20, 2012, at 10:24 AM, Jim Bartlett wrote: > Mary > > A hearty welcome aboard to you and the others who have joined the NN DNA project in the last 48 hours. And through other off-line emails I know the word is getting out. We should have a high level of synergy working for us on all things NN. Critical will be our ability to include and interface with this list and the vast knowledge base it represents. It will be great to see members of this list helping the DNA folks make connections to Common Ancestors. These connections help confirm blood lines in our NN Tree. > > On the other hand, I don't want all of my excitement over the DNA possibilities to drown out the everyday advances the list members are making on NN genealogy. So I will try to "lay low" for a while, and see if we can develop a balance on this list. > > You can be sure I will post NN Common Ancestors confirmed by DNA on this list. And questions on genealogy are always encouraged. > > Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! > > On Oct 20, 2012, at 8:27 AM, "Mary L. West" <westgenealogy@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> Hey Jim, >> Sorry I haven't been involved until now...just too much going-on. I joined the NN project last night. I'm Family Finder test kit 33030 and my gedcom is already uploaded. I'm in Family Finder under my legal married name, Mary West Rumora (my maiden name is Mary L. West). Some of my NN direct ancestors include: Blackwell, Downing, Jones, Morriss, Morris, Pinckard, Steptoe, Stone. >> >> I'm chiming in late but would like you and all our other luncheon partners to know I had a great time and truly enjoyed meeting everyone at The Daily on Oct 1st. >> >> Mary >> >> >> From: Jim Bartlett <jim4bartletts@verizon.net> >> To: "va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com" <va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 12:27 AM >> Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Autosomal DNA Project for Northern Neck Families >> >> Craig >> >> I had 9 participants who joined the project by Fri morning; 5 had given me an OK to use their names; 7 had already taken the family finder test (like me) I already have 342 matches. All together the 7 who took the Family Finder test had 2,000 matches. It's just an indication of how many others are in the mix and weather we're likely to get many Common Ancestors from the NN. >> >> Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! >> >> On Oct 19, 2012, at 10:14 PM, Craig Kilby <persisto1@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Jim, >>> >>> You skipped over this question. You have FIVE respondents so far, of which all or most were only Y-DNA or mt-DNA tests. How can there already be 2,000 matches? >>> >>> I am not getting this part, >>> >>> Craig >>> >>> On Oct 19, 2012, at 9:48 PM, Jim Bartlett wrote: >>> >>>> With 2,000 matches in our "pool" we could expect 120 or so to be from the NN. >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mary A hearty welcome aboard to you and the others who have joined the NN DNA project in the last 48 hours. And through other off-line emails I know the word is getting out. We should have a high level of synergy working for us on all things NN. Critical will be our ability to include and interface with this list and the vast knowledge base it represents. It will be great to see members of this list helping the DNA folks make connections to Common Ancestors. These connections help confirm blood lines in our NN Tree. On the other hand, I don't want all of my excitement over the DNA possibilities to drown out the everyday advances the list members are making on NN genealogy. So I will try to "lay low" for a while, and see if we can develop a balance on this list. You can be sure I will post NN Common Ancestors confirmed by DNA on this list. And questions on genealogy are always encouraged. Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! On Oct 20, 2012, at 8:27 AM, "Mary L. West" <westgenealogy@yahoo.com> wrote: > Hey Jim, > Sorry I haven't been involved until now...just too much going-on. I joined the NN project last night. I'm Family Finder test kit 33030 and my gedcom is already uploaded. I'm in Family Finder under my legal married name, Mary West Rumora (my maiden name is Mary L. West). Some of my NN direct ancestors include: Blackwell, Downing, Jones, Morriss, Morris, Pinckard, Steptoe, Stone. > > I'm chiming in late but would like you and all our other luncheon partners to know I had a great time and truly enjoyed meeting everyone at The Daily on Oct 1st. > > Mary > > > From: Jim Bartlett <jim4bartletts@verizon.net> > To: "va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com" <va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 12:27 AM > Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Autosomal DNA Project for Northern Neck Families > > Craig > > I had 9 participants who joined the project by Fri morning; 5 had given me an OK to use their names; 7 had already taken the family finder test (like me) I already have 342 matches. All together the 7 who took the Family Finder test had 2,000 matches. It's just an indication of how many others are in the mix and weather we're likely to get many Common Ancestors from the NN. > > Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! > > On Oct 19, 2012, at 10:14 PM, Craig Kilby <persisto1@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Jim, > > > > You skipped over this question. You have FIVE respondents so far, of which all or most were only Y-DNA or mt-DNA tests. How can there already be 2,000 matches? > > > > I am not getting this part, > > > > Craig > > > > On Oct 19, 2012, at 9:48 PM, Jim Bartlett wrote: > > > >> With 2,000 matches in our "pool" we could expect 120 or so to be from the NN. > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

I am on the computer right now, so I'll answer this question. Yes. You can order FF from already existing DNA on hand at FTDNA. I am a widow. My husband did yDNA testing for me very early in FTDNA's infancy. I just ordered the FF test to be done for Jack this year and there was no problem using the sample that they had on hand. I did this because I am looking for every possible clue as to what his real male connection might be. My husband's results came back soooooo disappointing! His yDNA does not match the family group that I had done ten years of research on! So I asked my son to do testing to make sure that there wasn't a lab error back in the early days of FTDNA. My son was a yDNA match for my husband....no lab error....but interestingly enough, my son is one marker mutation from my husband.....so don't let the arguments take you in-- that you can tell how close the relationship is by how close the match. The yDNA mutations are RANDOM! They can happen between any two generations. marsha moses > Jim > If you have taken the yDNA test from FTDNA, can they use the same sample to > do FF? >

Jim If you have taken the yDNA test from FTDNA, can they use the same sample to do FF? On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 12:27 AM, Jim Bartlett <jim4bartletts@verizon.net>wrote: > All together the 7 who took the Family Finder test had 2,000 matches. It's > just an indication of how many others are in the mix and weather we're > likely to get many Common Ancestors from the NN. -- Douglas Burnett Satellite Beach FL As a member of the Association of Professional Genealogists (APG), the National Genealogical Society (NGS), the Florida State Genealogical Society(FSGS) and the Virginia Genealogical Society(VGS), I support and adhere to the APG's Code of Ethics.

With all that is going on in Va wrt genealogy makes me ALMOST want to move back there after being gone 49 years but then I remembered that it snows up there and you get ice on the water not in the water[like in scotch]<grin>. On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 8:27 AM, Mary L. West <westgenealogy@yahoo.com>wrote: > you and all our other luncheon partners to know -- Douglas Burnett Satellite Beach FL As a member of the Association of Professional Genealogists (APG), the National Genealogical Society (NGS), the Florida State Genealogical Society(FSGS) and the Virginia Genealogical Society(VGS), I support and adhere to the APG's Code of Ethics.

Why wouldn't the results apply to those of us who have a well documented and reasonably close kinship to someone who takes the test? On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 10:00 PM, Craig Kilby <persisto1@gmail.com> wrote: > Obviously, only those who take the test will get the benefits of it, -- Douglas Burnett Satellite Beach FL As a member of the Association of Professional Genealogists (APG), the National Genealogical Society (NGS), the Florida State Genealogical Society(FSGS) and the Virginia Genealogical Society(VGS), I support and adhere to the APG's Code of Ethics.

Marsha, (1) I am thrilled you are participating in this. All I can do is get the Kilby yDNA test linked, which I don't think is going to yield much (2) I have told you 1,000 times to be careful with the Hawkins....there were MANY of them, all over Virginia and Maryland. They loved the names Benjamin and Moses and Matthew. Maybe this project will help sort them out (3) I want to take the atDNA test, but I'll need another relative (or three) do join me. My only Kilby side brothers could care less and I'd have to break into the funeral home to get their DNA. But I do have more far-flung cousins who might participate. (Those who have Hawkins descendancy) This is going to be a great project but if I am any example, there is going t have to be a lot of 'splaining to do. I get the concept, I just don't get how it works as a project especially since its purpose is to test atDNA and those results are not on the FTDNA web site. My understanding is that another web site is required for that (or testing lab...I'm just not clear on this.). I'm sure it will all become clear as times goes by. Judging by just the last few days, I can see it is going to be a fantastic tool for all of us. Craig On Oct 20, 2012, at 9:02 AM, marsha moses wrote: > Craig, the FF test gives each participant MANY more matches than the yDNA test does....and of course, it is open to both males and females so there are potentially many more participants. my FF test gives me about 240 matches. Most of the matches that I have identified are on my mother's side and are NOT NN ancestors....they are families who were living in eastern KY in the early 1800's....But I have only identified common ancestors for about 10 of my matches and they have been easy ones: THey still carry a surname that I recognize or they were a cousin with whom I was already in touch. > > One of the interesting things that happened for me is that my dad's closest yDNA match, Gene Hawkins, just took FF test and his results did NOT match mine. We are not FF matches. We were quite surprised when we had no match. Perhaps it is because our closest Hawkins ancestor was more than 7 generations back. I do believe that his Hawkins ancestor and my Hawkins ancestor were both in the NN in the early 1700's and perhaps earlier. I will ask Gene to join the FF project.....He believes that he descends from James Hawkins married to Jane Bourne....they were no longer in NN when married but I do believe both families were originally form the NN. My rambling this morning did lead to something constructive....Gene will happily join. marsha moses > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Craig, the FF test gives each participant MANY more matches than the yDNA test does....and of course, it is open to both males and females so there are potentially many more participants. my FF test gives me about 240 matches. Most of the matches that I have identified are on my mother's side and are NOT NN ancestors....they are families who were living in eastern KY in the early 1800's....But I have only identified common ancestors for about 10 of my matches and they have been easy ones: THey still carry a surname that I recognize or they were a cousin with whom I was already in touch. One of the interesting things that happened for me is that my dad's closest yDNA match, Gene Hawkins, just took FF test and his results did NOT match mine. We are not FF matches. We were quite surprised when we had no match. Perhaps it is because our closest Hawkins ancestor was more than 7 generations back. I do believe that his Hawkins ancestor and my Hawkins ancestor were both in the NN in the early 1700's and perhaps earlier. I will ask Gene to join the FF project.....He believes that he descends from James Hawkins married to Jane Bourne....they were no longer in NN when married but I do believe both families were originally form the NN. My rambling this morning did lead to something constructive....Gene will happily join. marsha moses

Mary, I was very disappointed that you and I do not have a match....I also have Pinkard in my ancestry. My 3-gr-grandmother was Matilda Pinkard of Culpeper County, Virginia. So she is probably at least one or two generations away from the NN....Using Jim's Math, our common Pinkard ancestor in the NN might have been 7 generations ago and quite possibly even more generations making our "Cousinship" not show up on FF....too remote of a cousin....but it is very interesting. As an aside, I did not know before your below e-mail that Stone was a NN name. I am not descended from the Stone family, but I do look at a Joshua Stone in Pittsylvania County, Virginia during the Revolutionary War.....any chance that you know if this man might have had ancestors/family from the NN? From others' research I think his parents were likely to have been William Stone married to Sarah Howard. And grandparents John Stone married to Mary Nelson. Totally NOT my research nor is it documented....I am just curious if you have information related to NN. marsha moses On Oct 20, 2012, at 8:27 AM, "Mary L. West" <westgenealogy@yahoo.com> wrote: > Hey Jim, > Sorry I haven't been involved until now...just too much going-on. I joined the NN project last night. I'm Family Finder test kit 33030 and my gedcom is already uploaded. I'm in Family Finder under my legal married name, Mary West Rumora (my maiden name is Mary L. West). Some of my NN direct ancestors include: Blackwell, Downing, Jones, Morriss, Morris, Pinckard, Steptoe, Stone. > > I'm chiming in late but would like you and all our other luncheon partners to know I had a great time and truly enjoyed meeting everyone at The Daily on Oct 1st. > > Mary > > > >

Hi Marsha, My 8th great grandfather was John Pinckard b c 1685 in Northamptonshire, England, d 10 Dec 1690 in Lancaster Co., VA. He m Elizabeth Jones in May 1679 in Northumberland Co., VA . Their daughter Elizabeth Pinkard b c 1684 in Lancaster was my 7th great grandmother. She m c 1705 John Steptoe in Northumberland County. (John Steptoe was b c 1673 in England.)  Their daughter Lucy Steptoe b 1716 in Lancaster was my 6th great grandmother and she m Jan 1745 in Northumberland to Joseph Blackwell, Sr b 09 Jul 1715 in Northumberland and d 30 May 1787 in Fauquier Co., VA. Stone and Morriss families of NN are connected  as follows: Charles Morriss b c 1712 in Westmoreland had daughter, Margaret "Peggy" Morriss, that m 10 Mar 1793 in Westmoreland County to William Stone b c 1763. Their daughter Elizabeth "Eliza" C Stone was my 4th great grandmother and she married Tarleton Fleming Keith of Fauquier County, VA.   I don't know for certain where William Stone was born but he had strong connections in the NN. Mary >________________________________ > From: marsha moses <mosesm@earthlink.net> >To: Mary L. West <westgenealogy@yahoo.com>; va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com >Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 8:51 AM >Subject: Family Finder > >Mary, I was very disappointed that you and I do not have a match....I also have Pinkard in my ancestry.  My 3-gr-grandmother was Matilda Pinkard of Culpeper County, Virginia.  So she is probably at least one or two generations away from the NN....Using Jim's Math, our common Pinkard ancestor in the NN might have been 7 generations ago and quite possibly even more  generations making our "Cousinship"  not show up on FF....too remote of a cousin....but it is very interesting.  > >As an aside, I did not know before your below e-mail that Stone was a NN name.  I am not descended from the Stone family, but I do look at a Joshua Stone in Pittsylvania County, Virginia during the Revolutionary War.....any chance that you know if this man might have had ancestors/family from the NN?  From others' research I think his parents were likely to have been William Stone married to Sarah Howard.  And grandparents John Stone married to Mary Nelson.  Totally NOT my research nor is it documented....I am just curious if you have information related to NN.  marsha moses > > >On Oct 20, 2012, at 8:27 AM, "Mary L. West" <westgenealogy@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> Hey Jim, >> Sorry I haven't been involved until now...just too much going-on. I joined the NN project last night. I'm Family Finder test kit 33030 and my gedcom is already uploaded. I'm in Family Finder under my legal married name, Mary West Rumora (my maiden name is Mary L. West).  Some of my NN direct ancestors include: Blackwell, Downing, Jones, Morriss, Morris, Pinckard, Steptoe, Stone. >> >> I'm chiming in late but would like you and all our other luncheon partners to know I had a great time and truly enjoyed meeting everyone at The Daily on Oct 1st. >> >> Mary >> >> >> >> > > > >

Hey Jim, Sorry I haven't been involved until now...just too much going-on. I joined the NN project last night. I'm Family Finder test kit 33030 and my gedcom is already uploaded. I'm in Family Finder under my legal married name, Mary West Rumora (my maiden name is Mary L. West).  Some of my NN direct ancestors include: Blackwell, Downing, Jones, Morriss, Morris, Pinckard, Steptoe, Stone. I'm chiming in late but would like you and all our other luncheon partners to know I had a great time and truly enjoyed meeting everyone at The Daily on Oct 1st. Mary >________________________________ > From: Jim Bartlett <jim4bartletts@verizon.net> >To: "va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com" <va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 12:27 AM >Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Autosomal DNA Project for Northern Neck Families > >Craig > >I had 9 participants who joined the project by Fri morning; 5 had given me an OK to use their names; 7 had already taken the family finder test (like me) I already have 342 matches. All together the 7 who took the Family Finder test had 2,000 matches. It's just an indication of how many others are in the mix and weather we're likely to get many Common Ancestors from the NN. > >Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! > >On Oct 19, 2012, at 10:14 PM, Craig Kilby <persisto1@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Jim, >> >> You skipped over this question. You have FIVE respondents so far, of which all or most were only Y-DNA or mt-DNA tests. How can there already be 2,000 matches? >> >> I am not getting this part, >> >> Craig >> >> On Oct 19, 2012, at 9:48 PM, Jim Bartlett wrote: >> >>> With 2,000 matches in our "pool" we could expect 120 or so to be from the NN. >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Jim, I am all in all this, believe me. Maybe I am having a hard catching up with the whole process and plan. Some comments below: On Oct 19, 2012, at 11:35 PM, Jim Bartlett wrote: > Craig > > Let's look on the positive side: > > The NN DNA website will show Y-DNA and mtDNA results. I will also post the NN matches and Common Ancestors on that website. Understood, and this may be helpful overall. As you know with our Kilby project (one of the 5 or 3 not yet linked) I will be astounded if any of that y-DNA matches any of the autosomal dna tests, and doubly astounded if it matches somebody elses Y-DNA study. This is what I am not clear on (for one). > > I added up the number of matches that everyone in our project have already gotten in Family Finder tests already on the books. It was from 7 of the 9 participants who had signed up by this morning. It shows we should have a number of NN Common Ancestors in there somewhere - this is good news. Now here you go. This starts to explain things. You are matching other tests who have taken at-DNA tests. Is that right? NOT Y-NDA or mt-DNA, but at-DNA. Here is where I really need clarification on what we are doing. Or, I should say, you are doing. > > On the contrary, Craig - the NN Common Ancestors will benefit the people who take this test; all the members of his/her family; all the descendants of those Ancestors, including many of us; and every one interested in NN families who will benefit by the determination of each Common Ancestor - each one of these will be good news to this list. By this I think you mean it will help everyone on our NN rootsweb list and those who are inputting their trees into our NN ancestry tree whether or not they do the test. Right? [I certainly hope so] I think we need to get to common language of what is what. We have so many different projects going. On the bright side, Jim. I received an e-mail from one your participants who is on rootsweb list who now has the motivation to start putting her ancestry into our NN tree. Yes, Jim. I suppose we are being cutting edge here, and I think it is a wonderful project. I can confidently predict we are all going to blown away by the results. It may take a good year to start making sense, but I know eventually this is going to a very worthwhile project. Craig > > Time will tell, but I think this list will play a key role in this. Let's give it a chance. > > Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! > > On Oct 19, 2012, at 10:00 PM, Craig Kilby <persisto1@gmail.com> wrote: > >> OK....I get all this part. This is just another building block we have. The FTDN web site itself isn't really going to tell us anything. But it will tell YOU something. >> >> I still don't know what you meant by 2,000 matches from just five participants, none of which are atDNA???? (Or two of them?) >> >> You'll have to patient with us. Obviously, only those who take the test will get the benefits of it, but this list can hopefully be a great forum to talk about who the Mystery Common Ancestors might be. Right? >> >> Craig > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Craig I had 9 participants who joined the project by Fri morning; 5 had given me an OK to use their names; 7 had already taken the family finder test (like me) I already have 342 matches. All together the 7 who took the Family Finder test had 2,000 matches. It's just an indication of how many others are in the mix and weather we're likely to get many Common Ancestors from the NN. Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! On Oct 19, 2012, at 10:14 PM, Craig Kilby <persisto1@gmail.com> wrote: > Jim, > > You skipped over this question. You have FIVE respondents so far, of which all or most were only Y-DNA or mt-DNA tests. How can there already be 2,000 matches? > > I am not getting this part, > > Craig > > On Oct 19, 2012, at 9:48 PM, Jim Bartlett wrote: > >> With 2,000 matches in our "pool" we could expect 120 or so to be from the NN. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

As of tonight we have 13 participants. 9 of the first 10 to join have agreed to publicize their info. And 11 of 13 have already taken the Family Finder test and they have 3,099 matches. Quite the start for our first two days! Lots to work with here. Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime!

I have forgotten the extrapolations, but if every person on earth only one ancestor, two grandparents, four great-grandparents and so forth in back in time, it would turn into something like 20 trillion people living on planet Earth in the year 1400. Yes we are all related, including to ourselves. On Oct 19, 2012, at 11:08 PM, Jim Bartlett wrote: > Actually, going back as far as 12 generations, I've documented 8 different sets of cousins in my ancestry, including my parents who were 8th cousins. > > Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! > > On Oct 19, 2012, at 10:35 PM, "Ann Avery Hunter" <Sanseann@triad.rr.com> wrote: > >> It was a way of life in Virginia. Two sets of my great-grandparents were >> cousins, one in Louisa Co. and one in Henrico. >> >> Ann >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Craig Kilby >> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 10:03 PM >> To: va-northern-neck@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [VA-NORTHERN-NECK] Autosomal DNA Project forNorthern Neck >> Families >> >> One small caveat: Nobody on earth probably really has 64 completely >> different 4th great grandparents. There is always the "double cousin" >> effect. Minor point, but just sayin'.... [Having said that, I know of only >> once case where that applies to me that far back. Perhaps I should say when >> it gets to 5th great-grandparents.] For the Northern Neck crowd, and their >> propensity to marry their cousins, that number is even lower. >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VA-NORTHERN-NECK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message