Hi Kim, Thank you so very much. It all helps Diana ----- Original Message ----- From: <KimCarLee@aol.com> To: <VA-Harrison-Monongalia-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [VA-Har-Mon] Andrew Jackson Tharp > Diana - > 1850 census - Hardy Co., Va. - 23rd Dist - house 619 - 626, line 24 = > Jackson Tharp - 30 - farmer - b. Va. - married within the year > Catherine - 22 - b. Va - married within the year > Eliza Ann - 5/12 - b. Va > > next door - house # 620 - 627 - line 27 > James Tharp - 50 - collier > wife - name unreadable - 49 > Jonathan - 19 - collier > George H (maybe W) 17 - laborer > Genjamin - 14 > Susan - 13 > James - 11 > Lydia - 9 > Adam - 6 > > Hope this helps, Kathryn Kyle Hall>Kimcarlee@aol.com< > > > >

Diana - 1850 census - Hardy Co., Va. - 23rd Dist - house 619 - 626, line 24 = Jackson Tharp - 30 - farmer - b. Va. - married within the year Catherine - 22 - b. Va - married within the year Eliza Ann - 5/12 - b. Va next door - house # 620 - 627 - line 27 James Tharp - 50 - collier wife - name unreadable - 49 Jonathan - 19 - collier George H (maybe W) 17 - laborer Genjamin - 14 Susan - 13 James - 11 Lydia - 9 Adam - 6 Hope this helps, Kathryn Kyle Hall>Kimcarlee@aol.com<

Hi list: Seeking marriage information of Andrew Jackson THARP to Catherine Williams in West VA sometime around 1849. Possibly in Hardy Co. They resided in Wardensville, West Virginia in 1910. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Diana

I did not receive the original question on this Marion Co. marriage. I would love to hear from the Marion and Harrison Co. Vernon's. I have not been able to gather a lot of info but will share what I have. Donna Vernon Kester donnakester@adelphia.net

Greetings, According to Hardesty's West Virginia Heritage Encyclopedia Supplemental Volume 5, Silas T. Davis and Eleanor "Netty" Brummage were married in Harrison County on 21 December 1834. I have had several kind individuals do look-ups in Harrison, Monongalia, and Marion Counties and there seems to be no record of this marriage. Silas and Eleanor Davis would have been residents of Marion County. I would appreciate if I could get some suggestions, recommendations, or ideas on what to do next. Your time and consideration is appreciated. Kindest regards, Tod Davis Trenton, MI

Sorry, but you are mistaken. Might you be thinking about a "farrier", which is a blacksmith, i.e., one who shoes horses? Bill Mc Afee ----- Original Message ----- From: <HOWARDSARGENT214@cs.com> To: <VA-Harrison-Monongalia-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 7:33 AM Subject: Re: [VA-Har-Mon] Benjamen Franklin Tharp > Diana. If I am not mistaken, a Collier was a person who had stables and took > care of horses. Martha Sargent > >

Thank you Diana ----- Original Message ----- From: <Cn8ff@aol.com> To: <VA-Harrison-Monongalia-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [VA-Har-Mon] Benjamen Franklin Tharp > > > > 4 words found. > > To view an entry in the list, highlight it and click on GO TO. > > > > > col.lier Col.lier Collier Collier > > > > Main Entry: col.lier > Pronunciation: 'käl-y&r > Function: noun > Etymology: Middle English colier, from col coal > Date: 13th century > 1 : one that produces charcoal > 2 : a coal miner > 3 : a ship for transporting coal > > > > > >

4 words found. To view an entry in the list, highlight it and click on GO TO. col.lier Col.lier Collier Collier Main Entry: col.lier Pronunciation: 'käl-y&r Function: noun Etymology: Middle English colier, from col coal Date: 13th century 1 : one that produces charcoal 2 : a coal miner 3 : a ship for transporting coal

Good Morning Margaret, John and Kathryn Stump Hewitt would have been married some time after 1840 and before 1844. There is no record of their marriage in the Preston Co. files, that I have come across. Do you have a Thomas Hewitt marriage prior to 1820? Thomas Hewitt owned a farm in Monongalia County according to the old Virginia Genealogist Magazine. Thank you for doing the look up on John and Kathryn, I appreciate anything I can find on the Hewitt's. Rosalie

Thank you, to all for the question on occupation, Collier. Most informative since today the names have changed. It would be interesting to have a list of the various occupations that had unusual names. Another one was a cooper. I think a tinsman made implements out of tin. Diana

Dear Margaret Veek, Thank you for your reply re: John Pindar. Catherine Lang

Diana. If I am not mistaken, a Collier was a person who had stables and took care of horses. Martha Sargent

Hello: I was reading your story ( although I am not in this family). Very Good!!!

I had received some of my great great Grandmother Anne Jane Adams Allshouse's Civil War Pension records. I purchased the remainder of Anne Jane Adams Allshouse's Civil War Pension file and had a thick file of affidavits and forms in duplicate and triplicate. I didn't know what I was looking at or what I should have been looking at so it was dumb luck to come across Catherine E Murray of Dellslow W Va Catherine made out 2 affidavits on Anne Janes behalf. In 1901 Catherine states she is Anne Janes sister this was witnessed by a Justice of the Peace named L Shumaker. In 1902 Catherine signed another affidavit witnessed by Belle Hart and S A Smith. Up til that time we knew Ann Jane had two sisters that died with her mother in 1845, but did not know their names. We knew there were supposed to have been other siblings, but we did not know their names either. Catherine E. Adams Murray born Oct 31, 1839 was married to Arthur Murray. 1870 Census for Monongalia Co Morgan Twp 89-89 Farmer Arthur Murray 30 Wv all Mulatto Catherine 25 Pa James 1 Wv Sarah 8 Wv Martha J 5 Wv Isabel 3 Wv John 1 Wv Had been in contact with a Hart researcher that said their daughter Isabel Murray married Ben Ison Hart and lived in Springhill Twp., Fayette Co., PA. She was supposedly Indian. So the Bell Hart who witnessed Catherines signature is her daughter. 1900 WV census, Monongalia Co Morgan Dist, 26th of June, by D A Anderson 294/294 Heart, Ison B (5-1/pf 5) Head White Male B Jan 1866 farmer 34 year old male Married 13 years WV WV VA Isabel Wife, White, Female b Sept 1867 32 years old mother of 4 children, 3 living WV WV WV Harvey Son W M Oct 1889 10 John M Son W M Feb 1893 7 Arthur M Son W M Apr 1894 6 Summers cemetery Monongalia Co WV Arthur J Murray Aug 6 1835 - Jan 20 1922 Civil War Vet Catherine wife of Arthur Oct 31 1839 - Aug 26 1921 Benjamin Ison Hart Jan 5 1866 - July 15 1933 Isabell M Hart Sept 22 1867 - July 14 1955 Ann Jane and Catherines parents and other siblings are our major brick wall. Their father was Samuel Douglas Adams married to Lydia Ostander/Pierce?. Ann Jane Adams Allshouses grandson told his daughter on his death bed that Lydia Adams was Shawnee from the mouth of the Youghigheny. Lydia Ostrander/Ostander/Pierce? Adams b. ? m. ? died 1845. Maiden name indicated by L.D.S index card giving Ann Jane's parents names indicated Ostrander. Then contradicted by Lds when another relative found their records indicated Lydia's daughter Anne Jane Adams Allshouse was endowed in the Mormon church for her parents (Salt Lake Tempe records #9039 Book D IVG., page 252 shows her mothers name to be Lydia Ostander Adams. Her father Samuel Douglas Adams. In 1840 Lydia was located in Pittsburgh. Lydia Adams 1840 Pennsylvania Allegheny County Roll M704_441 Pittsburgh, West Ward Page 348 Image 58 1840/PA/ Allegheny County/Pittsburgh-West Ward p. 348, Image 1 (Ancestry.com) ADAMS, Lydia 1 male - 10-15 years, 1 male- 15-20 years, 6 males- 20-30 years, 1 male- 30-40 years, 1 female- under 5, 1 female- 5-10, 1 female- 10-15, 1 female- 40-50 Died 1845. Lydia and three daughters (names not known except for Anne Jane, but one may have been named Amanda), came down with Smallpox and were put in a straw strewn room in Pittsburgh Pa. 9 year old daughter Ann Jane was the only one to survive after watching her mother and sisters die. Were buried where Union station now stands. The Methodist burying ground was dug up and moved when the station was built, then moved again when the station expanded. We do not know where Samuel, Ann Jane and her siblings were living after Lydias death, first mention of a date is in an affidavit she made when applying for her Civil War Widows pension on August 11, 1902 Ann Jane Allshouse gives her age as 65 address California Washington County Pennsylvania states she had known Finley Allshouse since 1851. Anne Jane married Finley Allshouse January 14, 1856 at Irwin Station by Rev. Conner of the M.E. Church is how it is stated on a replacement marriage certificate made out by a Justice of the Peace. Information we have indicates Ann Jane and Finley were living in California Washington Co Pa from 1857 til sometime in the 1860's. 1870 Elizabeth Twp. 1880 Forward Twp. 1900 East Pike Run Township, Washington County, Pennsylvania. At this time Finley age 64 was in Jefferson Township (Fayette County), PA, with his daughter Leona Allshouse and her husband E. L. Whiteman. 1901 & 1902 Ann indicated her PO as Coal Center Pa/California Pa on her Civil War Widows pension application applications PO Coal Center Pa 1910 Ann was living as a servant in the household of one John Edwarcs Washington Co don't know the residence location 1923 April 12 California Pa. Died in Johnson Hotel. Buried Phillipsburg Cemetery Washington County Pa. When Ann Jane died her daughter put Pierce as Lydias maiden name hence the confusion indicated about Lydias maiden name. Would like to get in touch with anyone researching Catherine Adams Murray, and Isabell Murray Hart to compare and share information. Laurie Beth Roman

Diana - A collier is a dealer or worker in coal, basically a rather upscale term for a coal miner. A colliery is a coal mine and usually the above-ground equipment associated with the mine, i.e., the coal tipple, etc., needed to bring the coal out of the mine to surface level. Regards, Bob Cunningham ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diana Ledger" <Diana@protouchinc.com> To: <VA-Harrison-Monongalia-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 9:08 PM Subject: [VA-Har-Mon] Benjamen Franklin Tharp > Hi list, > > Thank you all for you responses to my post. Does anyone know what a Collier is? I tried to find what kind of occupation and nothing. > > Diana > >

Hi list, Thank you all for you responses to my post. Does anyone know what a Collier is? I tried to find what kind of occupation and nothing. Diana

Cora, I don't have any records for Harrison Co. Margaret

A coal miner. Charcoal makers can also be called colliers but I would bet coalminer Barbara At 06:08 PM 7/23/02, you wrote: >Hi list, > >Thank you all for you responses to my post. Does anyone know what a >Collier is? I tried to find what kind of occupation and nothing. > >Diana

thanks for replying, yes, i think mostly harrison county for all four grandparents, but not for sure. but, for sure wv. thank you , cora

I checked my Marion Co. marriages 1842 - 1880 and they aren't listed. Jill