Okay, one more thought on identity theft from genealogy sites. First you cannot steal someone identy without more information than just their name. You need date of birth, address and phone number, which you can get from a phone book, along with a social security number. The sights that I have seen only have names of living persons, no other information other than their ancestry. No ones name is so unique that no one else will have it, so only a name will not let someone steal your identity. Anyone who wants to steal someones identity can do it without using a genealogy site. There are ways of hacking into secured sites that have considerably more personal information that a genealogy sight if someone really wants to get your personal information. How many times have you filled out a postcard for something with information on it that anyone who sees it can get? If however, someone is putting more than just a name on their genealogy pages, you should ask them to remove it. A name alone cannot let someone steal your identity. Now that I've gotten that off my chest I hope you will worry a little less. :-) On Wed, 5 Feb 2003 11:47:30 -0500 Jean Loudin <jloudin@rtol.net> writes: > Go straight to the people who run Ancestry.com They helped us as > we > had the very same problem. Ancestry even says not to post names, > etc. of > the living. I have great difficulty in understanding why people > can't > understand this privacy problem. I guess they never had identity > theft > happen to them. It happened to my daughter. Let's not make it any > easier > for the crooks. > > Jean > > > ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com

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Unsubscribe ----- Original Message ----- From: <atolah@juno.com> To: <VA-Harrison-Monongalia-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 1:39 PM Subject: [VA-Har-Mon] Research -Idenity theft > I also have ask someone to take My mothers name off of a web site but for > a different reason I have family in the military and security is very > important to this > person and so far the party that put this information is refusing to > delete this from her site and Ancestry.com I am under the understanding > that Genealogy is discovering about your roots not hurting the living > Please if someone asks you to take information about a family member off > be considerate and do so atolah in NC > >

Go straight to the people who run Ancestry.com They helped us as we had the very same problem. Ancestry even says not to post names, etc. of the living. I have great difficulty in understanding why people can't understand this privacy problem. I guess they never had identity theft happen to them. It happened to my daughter. Let's not make it any easier for the crooks. Jean

I also have ask someone to take My mothers name off of a web site but for a different reason I have family in the military and security is very important to this person and so far the party that put this information is refusing to delete this from her site and Ancestry.com I am under the understanding that Genealogy is discovering about your roots not hurting the living Please if someone asks you to take information about a family member off be considerate and do so atolah in NC

Please change email address to linda@maine.rr.com Thanks! -- > From: Fberisky@aol.com > Reply-To: VA-Harrison-Monongalia-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 21:26:41 EST > To: VA-Harrison-Monongalia-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [VA-Har-Mon] James Hurl McDonald > Resent-From: VA-Harrison-Monongalia-L@rootsweb.com > Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 19:26:41 -0700 > > Hi Fern, > > I noticed some surnames you've been researching, and was wondering if you've > come across some information that could help me knock down my brick wall. > > My brick wall is John Rose, b. 1761 in probably Hampshire Co., VA. He > married Rebekah Bowen, b. 1763 in Chambersburg, Franklin Co., PA. She was > the d/o David & Hannah (Davis) Bowen. Our Rose researchers have been trying > to figure out for over 20 years who our John Rose's parents were. You > mentioned the surname "McIntire". It is SUGGESTED that our John Rose's > sister was Rachel Rose who married John McIntire, s/o Charles McIntire. Have > you seen anything that might prove this? > > It is also SUGGESTED that John Rose's father was Ezekiel Rose who married > Mary Higgins. We THINK she was the daughter of Thomas Higgins from the > Hampshire Co., VA area. Some people think that our John Rose was actually > this Ezekiel's brother, not his son. With this theory it's SUGGESTED that > John & Ezekiel's parents were Robert Rose and Johanna...Crawford or Quick. > > From very recent DNA studies, we've learned that we have the same ancestry as > the Roses from Long Island, NY that migrated down to Hampshire Co., VA, and > over to Washington County, Fayette County, and Green County, of PA. This > includes the Robert Rose and Ezekiel Rose I mentioned above. We just don't > know how to fit the pieces directly together. > > Have you come across the Roses in your research of the McIntires and Higgins, > and do you have any information that might shed some light on our John Rose? > > Thanks so much! > Gail (Rose) Berish > > In a message dated 01/29/2003 12:20:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, > ockeytwo@msn.com writes: > >> We are searching the Booth, McIntire, Edgell , Higgins families and many >> more in his line. > >

I always ask if I can use something else instead of my mothers maiden name and they usually will. This one is too common for hackers to figure out. Remember this one is common when they call on the phone for information. I don't give anything out by phone unless I know who is on the other end. -----Original Message----- From: SusiCP@aol.com [mailto:SusiCP@aol.com] Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 4:45 PM To: VA-Harrison-Monongalia-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [VA-Har-Mon] Idenity Theft EVERYONE. Please listen this can be changed without closing records . It so simple it this. When they ask you to use mothers maiden name for identity you have the right to choice any name you want . Another words give them a name that you remember as the identity to identify you with out giving out family data. IT's like when you sign on computer. We don not know eachothers codes. Why the world of USA can not figure this out I have yet to figure out. IT would immediately stop this. WE choose codes all the time whynot the most important one with your bank.? SusiCP

EVERYONE. Please listen this can be changed without closing records . It so simple it this. When they ask you to use mothers maiden name for identity you have the right to choice any name you want . Another words give them a name that you remember as the identity to identify you with out giving out family data. IT's like when you sign on computer. We don not know eachothers codes. Why the world of USA can not figure this out I have yet to figure out. IT would immediately stop this. WE choose codes all the time whynot the most important one with your bank.? SusiCP

This is the very reason that, in CA, one of the state representatives introduced a bill to stop all vital records access except to family members. It was fought by the local chapter of FGS and others as there is not real proof that identity theft comes from genealogy sources any more than other sources. WE are all asked to give the maiden names of our mothers for identity purposes with differenty agencies. I doubt if your website is any more to blame than other sources. What proof did this person have that it came from your website? Obviously if we put our whole family tree on the internet I suppose someone could a use the info. ONe reason I never have sent out a gedcom. However, people I have shared my information with HAVE put it online with out asking me. This really made me mad and I no longer share my info unless I know the person real well. Another option would be to include only up to a point where anyone of a "useful" age for identity theft would not be included in the online data. I wouldn't think you'd need to eliminate your whole website. Just cut it off your family info at a reasonable date. Barbara Stenberg, Placerville CA Cn8ff@aol.com wrote: > > I have received an email requesting me to remove any reference > to an individual from one of my family websites. They believe that > the mother's maiden name was obtained from my website to commit > Identity Theft of this individual. > If this has happened I am very sorry that I may have contributed to > any illegal activities. > I felt that I should pass this on to all the LISTS on which I am active at > present, hoping that this does not happen to anyone else. > I do request that if anyone sees anything on one of my websites that > they feel may inconvenience them in anyway I would very much like to > hear from the individual and any reference to them will be removed. > I feel if this can happen again I may remove my websites from the > Internet. > All the best to everyone, > Dick Wilt, Bridgeport, WV <A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/kl7aiz">www.RWILT.com</A>

Whether folks realize it or not, all "list" mail from Rootsweb is archived and accessible to anyone who cares to search for it. Put a query on an "L" and it is there for eternity. . . It's really like locking your door. If someone wants in, they will find a way. Think about an obit. . . they usually give the name of the deceased, the name of their parents and their siblings. Voila' - everyone then knows the names of the siblings' parents, assuming that they are full brothers and sisters. Joy At 10:31 PM 2/2/2003 -0500, you wrote: >There is so many way that a person might be on the internet. Remember >on-line newspapers, others that know you, unknown people to you might get >the information from births, deaths, other relations, and etc. The biggest >problem is once the information is on the internet it is cache on servers, >and could take years to remove the information, if is can even be done. >Just type in a name and see how many times it is out there, then go to the >next search engine and try it again. There are hundreds of search engines >on the internet that crawl for more information. The best way to put >information on for others is using private sites in exchanging information. > >Hate to see "Identity Thefts", but if people are theft, they will find ways >to get the information they want and "it isn't always from genealogy sites". > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Cn8ff@aol.com [mailto:Cn8ff@aol.com] >Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 12:29 PM >To: VA-Harrison-Monongalia-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [VA-Har-Mon] Idenity Theft > > >I have received an email requesting me to remove any reference >to an individual from one of my family websites. They believe that >the mother's maiden name was obtained from my website to commit >Identity Theft of this individual. >If this has happened I am very sorry that I may have contributed to >any illegal activities. >I felt that I should pass this on to all the LISTS on which I am active at >present, hoping that this does not happen to anyone else. >I do request that if anyone sees anything on one of my websites that >they feel may inconvenience them in anyway I would very much like to >hear from the individual and any reference to them will be removed. >I feel if this can happen again I may remove my websites from the >Internet. >All the best to everyone, >Dick Wilt, Bridgeport, WV <A >HREF="http://www.geocities.com/kl7aiz">www.RWILT.com</A>

----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan H." <dlhudd@fcc.net> To: <VA-Harrison-Monongalia-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 11:25 PM Subject: Re: [VA-Har-Mon] Idenity Theft > I will relay a piece of information that all who use the internet should > know. > All of us should have a personal firewall. To protect us and our computers. > If you have ever been a part of a secure network, they tell in your briefing > that of the 100% of internet users, > 20% are using the internet, genealogy, shopping, etc... and the other 80% > are watching the 20%. > When I first got my firewall I noticed every time I accessed by brokerage > accounts, medical accounts, > and did any kind of shopping, my computer was being watched. > I'm a construction manager and genealogist. I'm not selling software, but if > you > have a computer, you need a virus protection program and a personal firewall > program. > If you leave your keys in your car sooner or later will be stolen, same with > anything else, including your identity. > Dan H. > > >

I will relay a piece of information that all who use the internet should know. All of us should have a personal firewall. To protect us and our computers. If you have ever been a part of a secure network, they tell in your briefing that of the 100% of internet users, 20% are using the internet, genealogy, shopping, etc... and the other 80% are watching the 20%. When I first got my firewall I noticed every time I accessed by brokerage accounts, medical accounts, and did any kind of shopping, my computer was being watched. I'm a construction manager and genealogist. I'm not selling software, but if you have a computer, you need a virus protection program and a personal firewall program. If you leave your keys in your car sooner or later will be stolen, same with anything else, including your identity. Dan H.

There is so many way that a person might be on the internet. Remember on-line newspapers, others that know you, unknown people to you might get the information from births, deaths, other relations, and etc. The biggest problem is once the information is on the internet it is cache on servers, and could take years to remove the information, if is can even be done. Just type in a name and see how many times it is out there, then go to the next search engine and try it again. There are hundreds of search engines on the internet that crawl for more information. The best way to put information on for others is using private sites in exchanging information. Hate to see "Identity Thefts", but if people are theft, they will find ways to get the information they want and "it isn't always from genealogy sites". -----Original Message----- From: Cn8ff@aol.com [mailto:Cn8ff@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 12:29 PM To: VA-Harrison-Monongalia-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [VA-Har-Mon] Idenity Theft I have received an email requesting me to remove any reference to an individual from one of my family websites. They believe that the mother's maiden name was obtained from my website to commit Identity Theft of this individual. If this has happened I am very sorry that I may have contributed to any illegal activities. I felt that I should pass this on to all the LISTS on which I am active at present, hoping that this does not happen to anyone else. I do request that if anyone sees anything on one of my websites that they feel may inconvenience them in anyway I would very much like to hear from the individual and any reference to them will be removed. I feel if this can happen again I may remove my websites from the Internet. All the best to everyone, Dick Wilt, Bridgeport, WV <A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/kl7aiz">www.RWILT.com</A>

I totally agree with Jana. No living persons on web sites. I regularly check Ancestry.com to make sure I am not on there so my identity can't be taken from there also. Jean

I agree Gloria, but living person's should not be listed, only with their permission. :>) Jana On Sun, 2 Feb 2003 13:27:42 -0500 "Gloria WErtz" <craftnut@lcsys.net> writes: > Sorry to hear that but you know there is always someone to start > trouble. I > hope not here. > > Gloria Wertz of Point Marion, PA > Life is tough and it takes a lot of time. > > >

I think that would have to be proven to my satisfaction before I made changes to my genealogical Research. It has not been proven anywhere that thieves have taken information from a genealogy site and used it in fraud. It has been found that the information given in loan applications or any type of other transaction where the person is asked to give the name of a parent that fraud is committed with that information. I have been down that road twice now and both times it was information given to an institution for loan or purchase of a product. Both were resolved by the State Attorney Generals Office of fraud. If this person thinks fraud has been committed through the web site it is up to him to prove it and to furnish you with that proof not intimidate you with accusations that you are supplying information to use for fraud. All over this country Genealogy information is being closed off to researchers with this tactic of saying it is being used to commit fraud. Very shortly we will not be able to find out anything. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: <Cn8ff@aol.com> To: <VA-Harrison-Monongalia-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 12:29 PM Subject: [VA-Har-Mon] Idenity Theft > I have received an email requesting me to remove any reference > to an individual from one of my family websites. They believe that > the mother's maiden name was obtained from my website to commit > Identity Theft of this individual. > If this has happened I am very sorry that I may have contributed to > any illegal activities. > I felt that I should pass this on to all the LISTS on which I am active at > present, hoping that this does not happen to anyone else. > I do request that if anyone sees anything on one of my websites that > they feel may inconvenience them in anyway I would very much like to > hear from the individual and any reference to them will be removed. > I feel if this can happen again I may remove my websites from the > Internet. > All the best to everyone, > Dick Wilt, Bridgeport, WV <A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/kl7aiz">www.RWILT.com</A> > >

Sorry to hear that but you know there is always someone to start trouble. I hope not here. Gloria Wertz of Point Marion, PA Life is tough and it takes a lot of time.

I have received an email requesting me to remove any reference to an individual from one of my family websites. They believe that the mother's maiden name was obtained from my website to commit Identity Theft of this individual. If this has happened I am very sorry that I may have contributed to any illegal activities. I felt that I should pass this on to all the LISTS on which I am active at present, hoping that this does not happen to anyone else. I do request that if anyone sees anything on one of my websites that they feel may inconvenience them in anyway I would very much like to hear from the individual and any reference to them will be removed. I feel if this can happen again I may remove my websites from the Internet. All the best to everyone, Dick Wilt, Bridgeport, WV <A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/kl7aiz">www.RWILT.com</A>

If you will email me I will let you know what I have on Joseph Boner. ftoothman969@cs.com

Thanks Susi, I did find some rich Senators, and sheriff in the family. I asked my husband that I wonder where the money is..... LOL. They never passed me any! Gloria Wertz of Point Marion, PA At first you don't succeed, you will get a lot of advice.