OR sell to the ancestors of them so they would have original seems to me with all these states loosing money they would see a MONEY MAKER here or give to HISTORICAL Society so they can. Susi

Hi Susi, You are right they could do that, it's a good suggestion. I have received quite a few emails already complaining about this and the Santmyer woman. Why couldn't the Virginia counties donate these to each counties historical societies or library's I know most would love this if they have the storage. On Sun, 9 Feb 2003 22:06:59 EST SusiCP@aol.com writes: > I am having it announced in our forum and posted on all the MID > Atlantic > boards so far. trying to get it announced in the chats. finally > have four > helping me. Thanks for all you can do. Susi > > > OLD Documents are historical what is wrong with there thinking? > they could > sell them and make money DUH > > >

I am having it announced in our forum and posted on all the MID Atlantic boards so far. trying to get it announced in the chats. finally have four helping me. Thanks for all you can do. Susi OLD Documents are historical what is wrong with there thinking? they could sell them and make money DUH

UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jana P Thomas" <jpthomas7@juno.com> To: <VA-Harrison-Monongalia-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 8:47 PM Subject: Re: [VA-Har-Mon] Fwd: [VAPITTSY-L] Immediate Need To Email and Phone VA Legislators > Hi Susi, > I have gone to the web carrier and requested this be redacted, haven't > heard anything yet, but I have > been forced to track down most of the message boards of which she is a > member and post messages > as to what she is doing, so far I have posted to 10 message boards. > The dead is not to be given preference over the living at ANY time. > Jana > > On Sun, 9 Feb 2003 20:26:20 EST SusiCP@aol.com writes: > > Please go to the web carrier of the person who has living people on > > it and > > tell them it violates lots of things and your right about loosing > > privileges > > that is bad. > > But destroyed wills and filmed wills is sadder. IF the filming is > > poor there > > is no way to replecate they need given to the HIstorical society. > > WHERE IS > > NGS and VA HIST SOCIETY ON THIS??? > > > > Susi > > > > > > >

Hi Susi, I have gone to the web carrier and requested this be redacted, haven't heard anything yet, but I have been forced to track down most of the message boards of which she is a member and post messages as to what she is doing, so far I have posted to 10 message boards. The dead is not to be given preference over the living at ANY time. Jana On Sun, 9 Feb 2003 20:26:20 EST SusiCP@aol.com writes: > Please go to the web carrier of the person who has living people on > it and > tell them it violates lots of things and your right about loosing > privileges > that is bad. > But destroyed wills and filmed wills is sadder. IF the filming is > poor there > is no way to replecate they need given to the HIstorical society. > WHERE IS > NGS and VA HIST SOCIETY ON THIS??? > > Susi > > >

Please go to the web carrier of the person who has living people on it and tell them it violates lots of things and your right about loosing privileges that is bad. But destroyed wills and filmed wills is sadder. IF the filming is poor there is no way to replecate they need given to the HIstorical society. WHERE IS NGS and VA HIST SOCIETY ON THIS??? Susi

Yes, Jean, I agree, that is what I also call these genealogists too (and I use that term loosely) "name collectors" so they can take up more room than they should be allowed. There is one cemetery that I have visited that I was not allowed information unless I was a relative, I had already thought ahead on this one and brought my birth certificate, my father's birth certificate and his father's death certificate, I was allowed access to their records on my line after that. Even though the person's interred in that cemetery were dead, their living families have the right of privacy and protection. Even though a living person's birth record and marriage record etc... is public information at the courthouse does not give individual's the right to THROW that information up on the Net for millions if not a billion people to see, I don't think that millions of people are going to go to the courthouse in the state and county I was born to retrieve my information. But throwing it up on the Net can breed all manner of nefarious activity and hurtful things. I all the time see people whine about the government being too "in tune" in our personal lives and activity and so on, so why would this be any different? Is it any less an invasion? It is more an invasion. Jana On Sun, 9 Feb 2003 19:22:38 -0500 Jean Loudin <jloudin@rtol.net> writes: > The sad part is that it is only a few genealogists--I call them name > > collectors--that do this type of posting. It is as if they are in > some > competition to find the largest number of people to put on their > trees. > > If we would remember that genealogy is searching for your roots, > your > families past, and not collecting names, then states would not be > adopting these rules. My advice? If you do not have copies of your > birth > certificates and marriage certificates, get them. You are going to > need > them someday and it may be very difficult to get them. > > Jean > > >

The sad part is that it is only a few genealogists--I call them name collectors--that do this type of posting. It is as if they are in some competition to find the largest number of people to put on their trees. If we would remember that genealogy is searching for your roots, your families past, and not collecting names, then states would not be adopting these rules. My advice? If you do not have copies of your birth certificates and marriage certificates, get them. You are going to need them someday and it may be very difficult to get them. Jean

If person's don't cease putting information on living person's in their gedcom's THROWN up on the Internet, such as Sandra June Skokut Santmyer has done, genealogist's are going to have to worry about much more than will's being destroyed, at least they will be microfilmed as I understand it. Ms. Santmyer choses to ignore pleadings by living person's, identified BY NAME, full NAME I might add in her gedcom's AND children's names.........People such as this are going to be the bane of genealogist's all over the country if this is allowed to continue. I am a family researcher too and do not want to see anything happen to the openess of our vital records etc....and the Internet is a wonderful "tool" for researching but things can get out of hand......Ask yourself this.....do you want the FULL NAMES of YOUR living CHILDREN, adult or MINOR'S and even your grandchildren posted in this manner? If so then give permission, do it yourself, but no person has the right to do this on your behalf. Genealogy is the research of ones Ancestry or Roots and I am NO ONE'S root or ancestor EXCEPT for MY own child, let alone Sandra Santmyer's of which I am NOT. You THINK that this cannot scare or give anxiety to a person then try getting a telephone call like I DID yesterday and you will think twice about it. The "information highway" is a great tool and THEN there are those who abuse it and cause restrictions to be leveled because of abuse. It's kind of like all of the good drivers having to pay higher insurance premium's to cover all the bad driver's that insurance company's still insure. Don't think it can't happen, it's already beginning on a small scale, freedom of speech is one thing.....invasion of privacy is a whole other ball of wax. Don't think that that phone call out of the blue can't happen to you, it happened to me, generated by Santmyer's gedcom. And don't think that the living person's names are redacted from the gedcom's on the Net they are not, not all of them. Before you know it there will be person's complaining to their local county clerks about birth, marriage and death records being open to public comsumption who are not immediate family members and the clerks will tire of this because it will take up county time and taxpayers money for them to field complaints. Again, I don't want this to happen but if people are not more responsible, it might take some time, but never say never. I know that most people do not THROW living person's full names up on the Net in gedcom's but some of you might just be surprised and angered when you find YOUR name and YOUR minor children's names etc.....up there. Jana Thomas On Sun, 9 Feb 2003 18:03:59 EST LRiffey007@aol.com writes: > > --part1_1a3.108f9ee0.2b78385f_boundary > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > --part1_1a3.108f9ee0.2b78385f_boundary > Content-Type: message/rfc822 > Content-Disposition: inline > > Return-Path: <VAPITTSY-L-request@rootsweb.com> > Received: from rly-xc02.mx.aol.com (rly-xc02.mail.aol.com > [172.20.105.135]) by air-xc04.mail.aol.com (v90_r2.5) with ESMTP id > MAILINXC41-0209151612; Sun, 09 Feb 2003 15:16:12 -0500 > Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com > [207.40.200.41]) by rly-xc02.mx.aol.com (v90_r1.1) with ESMTP id > MAILRELAYINXC29-0209151550; Sun, 09 Feb 2003 15:15:50 -0500 > Received: (from slist@localhost) > by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.12.4/8.12.4) id h19KFV4u027412; > Sun, 9 Feb 2003 13:15:31 -0700 > Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 13:15:31 -0700 > X-Original-Sender: donalynsnelling@hotmail.com Sun Feb 9 13:15:30 > 2003 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > From: donalynsnelling@hotmail.com > Old-To: VAPITTSY-L@rootsweb.com > Sender: gc-gateway@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <MFMBM002ljXp2Kxng0C0000e7ab@mfmbm002.myfamilycorp.local> > X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Feb 2003 19:50:36.0497 (UTC) > FILETIME=[83BFE410:01C2D074] > Date: 9 Feb 2003 12:50:36 -0700 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by > lists5.rootsweb.com id h19KFUWK027189 > Subject: [VAPITTSY-L] Immediate Need To Email and Phone VA > Legislators > Resent-Message-ID: <4WDta.A.-qG.ibrR-@lists5.rootsweb.com> > To: VAPITTSY-L@rootsweb.com > Resent-From: VAPITTSY-L@rootsweb.com > X-Mailing-List: <VAPITTSY-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/3937 > X-Loop: VAPITTSY-L@rootsweb.com > Precedence: list > Resent-Sender: VAPITTSY-L-request@rootsweb.com > X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing > list. > > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/3AC.2ACE/1114 > > sage Board Post: > > IMPORTANT IMMEDIATE LEGISLATION AFFECTING VIRGINIA GENEALOGISTS!! > > STATUS: PASSED SENATE 40-0. 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--part1_1a3.108f9ee0.2b78385f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part1_1a3.108f9ee0.2b78385f_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <VAPITTSY-L-request@rootsweb.com> Received: from rly-xc02.mx.aol.com (rly-xc02.mail.aol.com [172.20.105.135]) by air-xc04.mail.aol.com (v90_r2.5) with ESMTP id MAILINXC41-0209151612; Sun, 09 Feb 2003 15:16:12 -0500 Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [207.40.200.41]) by rly-xc02.mx.aol.com (v90_r1.1) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXC29-0209151550; Sun, 09 Feb 2003 15:15:50 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.12.4/8.12.4) id h19KFV4u027412; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 13:15:31 -0700 Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 13:15:31 -0700 X-Original-Sender: donalynsnelling@hotmail.com Sun Feb 9 13:15:30 2003 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 From: donalynsnelling@hotmail.com Old-To: VAPITTSY-L@rootsweb.com Sender: gc-gateway@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <MFMBM002ljXp2Kxng0C0000e7ab@mfmbm002.myfamilycorp.local> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Feb 2003 19:50:36.0497 (UTC) FILETIME=[83BFE410:01C2D074] Date: 9 Feb 2003 12:50:36 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by lists5.rootsweb.com id h19KFUWK027189 Subject: [VAPITTSY-L] Immediate Need To Email and Phone VA Legislators Resent-Message-ID: <4WDta.A.-qG.ibrR-@lists5.rootsweb.com> To: VAPITTSY-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: VAPITTSY-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <VAPITTSY-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/3937 X-Loop: VAPITTSY-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: VAPITTSY-L-request@rootsweb.com X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/3AC.2ACE/1114 Message Board Post: IMPORTANT IMMEDIATE LEGISLATION AFFECTING VIRGINIA GENEALOGISTS!! STATUS: PASSED SENATE 40-0. NOW AT HOUSE OF DELEGATE SUBCOMMITTEE TO MEET ON IT MONDAY, FEBRUARY 10, 2003. "VIRGINIA SENATE BILL 818-E2-80-94-DESTRUCTION OF WILL FILES. http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?ses=031&typ=bil&val=sb818&Submit=Go January 31, 2003 Virginia Senate Bill 818 Destruction of will files. Allows the clerk to destroy a will's file along with the original will after it is no longer of any value and after it has been microfilmed. The description of the Bill reads as follows: "Destruction of will files. Allows the clerk to destroy a will's file along with the original will after 5 years have passed since probate or recordation and allows destruction of originals of instruments which have been recorded and remained unretrieved by the recording party after 6 months, if the documents are no longer of any value and have been microfilmed." House of Delegates Subcommittee Member Information: Chairman Terry G. Kilgore of the House Subcommittee on/for Civil Law of the House Committee on/for Courts of Justice advises you that a meeting of the Subcommittee will be held on 02/10/2003 at Committee will meet immediately after adjournment of the Full Committee. in 7th. floor West Conf. Room in GAB. . Patron Name Bill(s) to be considered at this meeting Thomas Norment SB818 Civil Law Subcommittee Members to email (must be done immediately): Chairman: Kilgore, Terry G. del_Ki-@House.state.va.us Members: Almand, James F. Del_A-@house.state.va.us Athey, Clifford L., Jr. Del_A-@house.state.va.us Black, Richard H. Del_B-@House.state.va.us Janis, William R. Del_J-@House.state.va.us Joannou, Johnny S. no email Johnson, Joseph P., Jr. del_Jo-@House.state.va.us Marrs, Bradley P. Del_M-@house.state.va.us McQuigg, Michèle B. del_Mc-@House.state.va.us Reese, Gary A. Del_R-@house.state.va.us Robert F. McDonnell - (Ex-Officio) del_Mcd-@House.state.va.us For all House of Delegate email addresses to email or call, see http://dela.state.va.us/dela/MemBios.nsf/MWebsiteEL?OpenView and http://dela.state.va.us/dela/MemBios.nsf/MWebsiteTL?OpenView To call to protest this bill in the general delivery voicemail box: By Phone When the General Assembly is in session, the House of Delegates and Senate of Virginia jointly operate a toll-free, intrastate telephone message center to accept calls from citizens of the Commonwealth wishing to express an opinion on legislation. The messages are received by the center and will be relayed to the members' offices as requested. You may call the Constituent Viewpoint operators at (800) 889-0229 (outside Richmond) or (804) 698-1990 (Richmond area) to express your opinion on a legislative issue. Donalyn ==== VAPITTSY Mailing List ==== Have spare time? The USGenWeb Census Project needs you! To volunteer or view transcribed censuses, visit http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/census/ --part1_1a3.108f9ee0.2b78385f_boundary--

I beg to differ about the point that nobody has a name so unique that nobody else will have it. Although, many names are not unique, there are definitely some out there that are. I can attest to this because I am certain that nobody else in the world shares the same name as some people that I know. I do think there are some names that are completely unique. Just wanted to throw that out there.

Greetings, Looking for more information or connections to the below LOWE family: Isaac Lowe was born c 1803 in Marion Co., VA, and died August 30, 1885 in Marion Co., VA. He married Sarah GRUBB April 26, 1830 in Marion Co., VA. Sarah could be the daughter of Samuel and Elizabeth Grubb . She was born c 1809 in Virginia. Children of Isaac Lowe and Sarah Grubb are: i. Elizabeth Lowe, b. 1831 ii. Nimrod Lowe, b. 1834, Monongalia Co., Virginia; d. January 05, 1897, Roane Co., West Virginia; m. Edith Ann HUMPHREY, May 18, 1855, Harrison County, Virginia; b. 1835, ; d. June 29, 1901, Roane Co., West Virginia. iii. Nancy Lowe, b. 1835 iv. Rebecca Lowe, b. 1836, Marion Co., VA; d. December 03, 1912; m. (1)Samuel SHRADER, December 12, 1865, Marion Co. WV; b. 1824 m. (2) Elias Shrader, March 02, 1888, Marion Co., WV v. Sammuel Lowe, b. 1841 vi. David Lowe, b. 1846, Marion Co., VA; m. Elizabeth SHRADER, January 09, 1867, Marion Co., WV; b. 1848 vii. Isaac Newton Lowe, b. 1848, Marion Co., VA viii. Daniel Lowe, b. Abt. 1850, Marion Co., WV; m. (1) Rebecca ASHCRAFT, January 15, 1871, Marion Co., WV;m. (2) Angie TOMY, March 27, 1891, Marion Co., WV ix. Edmond Lowe, b. 1851 Thank you for your attention to my request. Very kind regards, Tod Davis

We have a knew e-mail address Elliottfamily00@comcast.net Please E_mail me there next time. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Iris Wakeling" <iris_w@efn.org> To: <VA-Harrison-Monongalia-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 10:03 PM Subject: Re: [VA-Har-Mon] BONER > > What do you have on Joseph Boner ancestry line? > > Hello, I was wondering what McIntire line you are researching? I am > > descended through Charles McINtire. This is my line: > > Charles McIntire > > John m. Rachel Rose > > Joseph m. Mary "Polly" Glover > > Franklin m. Pheobe Martin > > Matilda McIntire m. Noah MArtin > > Alice MArtin m. Wyatt MArtin > > Hattie MArtin m. Joseph Boner > > Frances Boner m. Danny Toothman (me) > > > > I would like to know if you are researching Charles' line. If so, I am > > trying to find a Emaline McIntire who married an Underwood, probably lived > in > > Ohio . > > > > Sincerely, > > Frances Toothman > > >

Hi Jana, Thank you for the assistance in what and what not to do.

Well, I do know one thing, living or dead, there is 2 or more people with the same name, Senior, Junior, 3rd and so on. Its in my husband's family.This ancestry thing can be confusing and you wander when someone is taking the names but you have to figure it out if they do not use the Jr. or Sr. or whatever. My phone is unlisted and the education department is after me for payment. I have papers on my disability and they will not accept it. I graduated in 92 and went on disability in 95. They said its preexist condition and was not diagnose til early part of 93. I will never get better. They send me notice upon notice and threaten me with court. I have moved from VA to PA. They follow me. I guess it on the head. Social Security. Since they were paying me they took advantage of the situation and here they try to take the money from the ss but could not touch that. The government won't file suit against their client. The took it out of my husband's tax refund. They wind up paying it back every penny. Husband has to file Injury Spouse form every year. America is Free? Since when? Its been 9 years since the last payment went in. They are still harassing me. I got 2 notices last week. Yes, I do believe what this detective said. Jane I believe. They will find you one way or the other and believe me you have not heard the last of them. If the privacy is invated, there is no such thing as privacy much any more. Gloria Wertz of Point Marion, PA People who try to command respect are wasting their time. Respect cannot be commanded, it has to be earned.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jana P Thomas" <jpthomas7@juno.com> To: <VA-Harrison-Monongalia-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 9:15 PM Subject: Re: [VA-Har-Mon] Research -Idenity theft > I'm sorry, I'm just going to have to stick my "two cents" worth in > here... > I've been watching with great amazement of just how uninformed the > "general public is" > and I do not understand just why that is, when there are television > programs, Internet warnings etc.. > on identity theft and just HOW easy it IS to steal another's identity. > > I'm a licensed private investigator and have been for well over ten > years, and I have had clients with the problem. > I've said it many times before and now I'll say it again, no living > persons names in gedcom's (at the very least) posted on the Net. There's > no reason for it. I have to agree with the person who posted that we are > researching our roots, our ancestor's, no reason to put a living person's > name, in that manner, why make it easier??????? > > First off, yes, I know that in most states, WV included anyone can look > at anyone's birth records....ANYONE'S.......but in WV just anyone cannot > get a CERTIFIED copy of a birth record so many years old.... > Yes, anyone CAN look at marriage and death records too, and in some > counties in WV the SS number is included on the marriage record, but they > now might all be redacted by now, they weren't 2 years ago. > Again, WHY make it easier by posting living person's information, even > their name, their spouses names, their children's names ALL make it > EASIER to get information in order to differentiate one person from the > next person with the same name, so again, why make it easier for the > potential perpetrator. I've seen so many people say, "I didn't think it > could happen to me"...you'd be surprised at just how intelligent many > criminals are and the easier you make it for them, the more fuel is added > to the fire. > The Net is a wonderful invention and there will always be someone > "lurking" around, thinking up a way to make life easier for themselves, > let us not help them even if it is in the most minute way. > > You can point to other means of stealing a person's identity but what we > are talking about here is genealogy and not making life easier for > person's wishing to conduct criminal activity, even if is is "just the > names of living person's and not their dob's" because that's all you need > till you pinpoint the person with a dob a place of birth, their parents, > mother's maiden name, father's parents, mother's parents and all places > of birth ...on and on and on....even IF one person is a victim of this > crime and the perpetrator found this person's name in a gedcom, that is > one person too many. We all know that there is a lot of people in our > families that do have our personal information but again I'd like to > point out that we are talking about genealogy, let's not compare oranges > to oranges. > > One more word of warning.....when you get those credit card invitations > in the mail telling you that you > are already approved, shred them or burn them, just don't throw them > "willy nilly" into your trash, that goes for all billing info that you > might want to discard...... > Jana > >

Have newspaper clipping ...It is letter from a man by the name of Wilson Jones, Viropa, WV asking for help to obtain his Civil War pension. It gives his age as 108. Anyone interested in a copy. Dick Wilt, Bridgeport, WV <A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/kl7aiz">www.RWILT.com</A>

Just my point. sources are everywhere so why blame genealogy was the issue in CA. Barbara Joy Stalnaker wrote: > > Whether folks realize it or not, all "list" mail from Rootsweb is archived > and accessible to anyone who cares to search for it. Put a query on an "L" > and it is there for eternity. . . > > It's really like locking your door. If someone wants in, they will find a way. > > Think about an obit. . . they usually give the name of the deceased, the > name of their parents and their siblings. Voila' - everyone then knows > the names of the siblings' parents, assuming that they are full brothers > and sisters. > > Joy > > At 10:31 PM 2/2/2003 -0500, you wrote: > >There is so many way that a person might be on the internet. Remember > >on-line newspapers, others that know you, unknown people to you might get > >the information from births, deaths, other relations, and etc. The biggest > >problem is once the information is on the internet it is cache on servers, > >and could take years to remove the information, if is can even be done. > >Just type in a name and see how many times it is out there, then go to the > >next search engine and try it again. There are hundreds of search engines > >on the internet that crawl for more information. The best way to put > >information on for others is using private sites in exchanging information. > > > >Hate to see "Identity Thefts", but if people are theft, they will find ways > >to get the information they want and "it isn't always from genealogy sites". > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Cn8ff@aol.com [mailto:Cn8ff@aol.com] > >Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 12:29 PM > >To: VA-Harrison-Monongalia-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: [VA-Har-Mon] Idenity Theft > > > > > >I have received an email requesting me to remove any reference > >to an individual from one of my family websites. They believe that > >the mother's maiden name was obtained from my website to commit > >Identity Theft of this individual. > >If this has happened I am very sorry that I may have contributed to > >any illegal activities. > >I felt that I should pass this on to all the LISTS on which I am active at > >present, hoping that this does not happen to anyone else. > >I do request that if anyone sees anything on one of my websites that > >they feel may inconvenience them in anyway I would very much like to > >hear from the individual and any reference to them will be removed. > >I feel if this can happen again I may remove my websites from the > >Internet. > >All the best to everyone, > >Dick Wilt, Bridgeport, WV <A > >HREF="http://www.geocities.com/kl7aiz">www.RWILT.com</A>

Sorry, one more thing......I have "tracked" down many, many, MANY person's with JUST a name.......it's part of what I'm paid to do, track down missing witnesses, missing person's etc.... And the last time I looked, my date of birth wasn't in the phone book, but I have located a person's Social Security number without hardly trying, you just have to know where to look............I'll give you a hint for just one source.....Do any of you have liens on your car? Your house? A tax lien of any kind? A criminal starts out with just a little info and runs with it from there, they build on it one bit at a time. Oh and I bet some of you even have unlisted telephone numbers???? Think again....... Jana On Wed, 5 Feb 2003 20:11:05 -0500 Jo A Miller <jokelmil@juno.com> writes: > Okay, one more thought on identity theft from genealogy sites. First > you > cannot steal someone identy without more information than just > their > name. You need date of birth, address and phone number, which you > can > get from a phone book, along with a social security number. The > sights > that I have seen only have names of living persons, no other > information > other than their ancestry. > > No ones name is so unique that no one else will have it, so only a > name > will not let someone steal your identity. Anyone who wants to > steal > someones identity can do it without using a genealogy site. There > are > ways of hacking into secured sites that have considerably more > personal > information that a genealogy sight if someone really wants to get > your > personal information. How many times have you filled out a postcard > for > something with information on it that anyone who sees it can get? > If > however, someone is putting more than just a name on their > genealogy > pages, you should ask them to remove it. A name alone cannot let > someone > steal your identity. > > Now that I've gotten that off my chest I hope you will worry a > little > less. > > :-) > > > On Wed, 5 Feb 2003 11:47:30 -0500 Jean Loudin <jloudin@rtol.net> > writes: > > Go straight to the people who run Ancestry.com They helped us > as > > we > > had the very same problem. Ancestry even says not to post names, > > etc. of > > the living. I have great difficulty in understanding why people > > can't > > understand this privacy problem. I guess they never had identity > > theft > > happen to them. It happened to my daughter. Let's not make it any > > > easier > > for the crooks. > > > > Jean > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today > Only $9.95 per month! > Visit www.juno.com > > >

I'm sorry, I'm just going to have to stick my "two cents" worth in here... I've been watching with great amazement of just how uninformed the "general public is" and I do not understand just why that is, when there are television programs, Internet warnings etc.. on identity theft and just HOW easy it IS to steal another's identity. I'm a licensed private investigator and have been for well over ten years, and I have had clients with the problem. I've said it many times before and now I'll say it again, no living persons names in gedcom's (at the very least) posted on the Net. There's no reason for it. I have to agree with the person who posted that we are researching our roots, our ancestor's, no reason to put a living person's name, in that manner, why make it easier??????? First off, yes, I know that in most states, WV included anyone can look at anyone's birth records....ANYONE'S.......but in WV just anyone cannot get a CERTIFIED copy of a birth record so many years old.... Yes, anyone CAN look at marriage and death records too, and in some counties in WV the SS number is included on the marriage record, but they now might all be redacted by now, they weren't 2 years ago. Again, WHY make it easier by posting living person's information, even their name, their spouses names, their children's names ALL make it EASIER to get information in order to differentiate one person from the next person with the same name, so again, why make it easier for the potential perpetrator. I've seen so many people say, "I didn't think it could happen to me"...you'd be surprised at just how intelligent many criminals are and the easier you make it for them, the more fuel is added to the fire. The Net is a wonderful invention and there will always be someone "lurking" around, thinking up a way to make life easier for themselves, let us not help them even if it is in the most minute way. You can point to other means of stealing a person's identity but what we are talking about here is genealogy and not making life easier for person's wishing to conduct criminal activity, even if is is "just the names of living person's and not their dob's" because that's all you need till you pinpoint the person with a dob a place of birth, their parents, mother's maiden name, father's parents, mother's parents and all places of birth ...on and on and on....even IF one person is a victim of this crime and the perpetrator found this person's name in a gedcom, that is one person too many. We all know that there is a lot of people in our families that do have our personal information but again I'd like to point out that we are talking about genealogy, let's not compare oranges to oranges. One more word of warning.....when you get those credit card invitations in the mail telling you that you are already approved, shred them or burn them, just don't throw them "willy nilly" into your trash, that goes for all billing info that you might want to discard...... Jana