Joyce, I did a lookup for you from: Birth Records Wise County Texas, 1864-1902 by Julian G. Allen, publ. by Julian G. Allen 1986, Austin Texas. In my experience only about 10% of the births in this period were reported. page 134 Joseph Wilson Hanner (b. GA) and Phiola Thedocia Leverett (b. AR) had a child: Frances Almarie Hanner, b. Aug 3, 1889, F, Alvord (reg. # 21214) Joseph Wilson Hanner (b. AL) and Ola Leverett (b. GA) had a child: Gideon Wilson Hanner, b. Feb 13, 1888, M, Avlord ( reg. # 28112) Joseph Wilson Hanner (b. GA) and Thiola Theodocia Leverett (b. AR) had a child: Mandy Emmerline Hanner, b. Feb 8, 1895, F, Alvord (reg. # 12790) Joseph Wilson Hanner, (b. AL) and Phiola Theodothia Leverett (b. GA) had a child: Sarah Anna Hanner, b. June 4, 1892, F. Alvord (reg. # 29466) Looks like they really struggled with Theodosia's name. Good Luck! Dave Pitts Houston TX On Thursday, March 11, 2004, at 06:52 PM, LaDarlaK@aol.com wrote: > I just discovered your web page on Wise County, TX. My mom was born in > Decatur in 1906. She was the youngest of 10 kids. Their family was > extremely poor > and it is very hard to trace them. A large number of 2nd, 3rd, 4th and > 5th > generations still live in the area. They range from Sunset, to Boyd, > Alvord and > Decatur. > Some years ago a niece of mine got a copy of the history of Wise > County and > we were surprised that only one of the Hanner kids were in there. My > grandfather's name was Joseph Wilson Hanner and he was married to > Phiola Theodosia > Ernest Leverett. > I think the family name was Hanna, but due to being from Alabama, when > they > pronounced Hanna it came out Hanner. My grandfather couldn't read or > write. > If you happen to run across any information on this family I would > appreciate > a copy of it. Living in Tulsa, OK I don't get down that way but once a > year > for a family reunion. It's always so hot that I don't feel like > getting out and > around. > Do you think I could find some information at the Wise County > Historical > building? If so I might be persuaded to make a trip down there. > > Sincerely, > Joyce Crawford >

I just discovered your web page on Wise County, TX. My mom was born in Decatur in 1906. She was the youngest of 10 kids. Their family was extremely poor and it is very hard to trace them. A large number of 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th generations still live in the area. They range from Sunset, to Boyd, Alvord and Decatur. Some years ago a niece of mine got a copy of the history of Wise County and we were surprised that only one of the Hanner kids were in there. My grandfather's name was Joseph Wilson Hanner and he was married to Phiola Theodosia Ernest Leverett. I think the family name was Hanna, but due to being from Alabama, when they pronounced Hanna it came out Hanner. My grandfather couldn't read or write. If you happen to run across any information on this family I would appreciate a copy of it. Living in Tulsa, OK I don't get down that way but once a year for a family reunion. It's always so hot that I don't feel like getting out and around. Do you think I could find some information at the Wise County Historical building? If so I might be persuaded to make a trip down there. Sincerely, Joyce Crawford

This is so true. On another side of my family my Grandfather was a moonshiner in the Mississippi Delta...I haven't been able to find him on a Census anywhere. Donna

Did your elderly mother-in-law that lives with you mention that some nice person came around and she gave them your information? Is your neighbor that you never talk to the only one who is always in the neighborhood? They reported your information for you. Enumerators usually do the best that they can, but too many people slam the door in your face saying "I'm not telling the government anything" and too many neighbors have no idea how many children you have, let alone their names and ages. So in 2010, Americans, give that enumerator a break, be as helpful as you can or refer them to the other neighbor who knows more about the missing family than you do. Your descendants will thank you for it.

Norma, if you will go to: www.rootsweb.com and choose the World Connect option. Then type in Warren and Isom, you will find numerous listings for Isom. It shows several spouses on some of the listing. Some have show which of his children are by which wife. I am not certain of much about Druscilla, but if you need any info on her daughter, Saphronia B. WOMACK, I do have info on her and her descendants. I will be happy to share what I know. If I uncover any other contacts or info on Druscilla, I will also share it with you. You might also consider contacting some of the postings of the lines at the Rootsweb site. They might have good info for you or some other researchers to contact also. There were WARREN descendants in the Greenwood area in Wise Co that I knew as a child. I imagine they tied in with Isom's group. Sheryl McNeely Shaw sjmcs@earthlink.net -----Original Message----- From: LaDarlaK@aol.com Sent: Mar 9, 2004 6:56 PM To: TXWISE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [TXWISE-L] WARREN search ----------------- Forwarded Message: Subj:Re: From TXWISE@rootsweb.con Date:3/8/2004 9:19:07 AM Central Standard Time From:norma_kirchhofer@hotmail.com To:LaDarlaK@aol.com Sent from the Internet (Details) Thank you Sheryl This is what I show on Drucilla Patton, do you have any idea the names of Isom J. Warren children are below?.......................Thanks Norma Descendants of Drucilla Patton 1 Drucilla Patton b: 1850 in Mississippi d: in Wise, Texas . +James M. Warnock m: September 18, 1856 in Itawamba Co., Mississippi CD-5 d: 1861 in Civil War Casualty . 2 Safrona Warnock b: 1861 in Itawamba Co., Mississippi ..... +Joseph McNeely *2nd Husband of Drucilla Patton: . +William Jackson Tipton m: 1862 in Itawamba Co., Mississippi CD5 shows 19 1862 *3rd Husband of Drucilla Patton: . +Isom J. Warren b: 1813 in Wayne Co., Ky FARMER $3000.00 Value Farmer m: May 21, 1867 in Itawamba Co., Miss. CD-5 rec. show Drucilla Tipton d: Aft. 1880 in Wise, Texas Named in S. John's WILL $350.00 . 2 S. C. Warren b: 1867 in Itawamba Co., Mississippi . 2 I. T. Warren b: 1868 in Itawamba Co., Mississippi . 2 I. D. Warren b: 1869 in Itawamba Co., Mississippi . 2 M. L. Warren b: 1870 in Wise, Texas . 2 S. C. Warren b: 1871 in Wise, Texas . 2 N. B. Warren b: 1873 in Arkansas . 2 Sabina Warren b: 1874 in Precinct 6, Wise, Texas . 2 A. M. Warren b: 1877 in Precinct 6, Wise, Texas . 2 J. H. Warren b: 1879 in Precinct 6, Wise, Texas 10 months old ================================================================ WARREN, Isom J TIPTON, Drucilla 1867-May-21 ========================================================================= 1880 United States Census I. J. WARREN Self M Male W 70 KY Farmer VA KY Druzila WARREN Wife M Female W 30 MS Keeping House TN TN S. C. WARREN Dau S Female W 13 MS At School KY MS I. T. WARREN Dau S Female W 12 MS At School KY MS I. D. WARREN Son S Male W 11 MS Works On Farm KY MS M. L. WARREN Dau S Female W 10 TX At School KY MS S. C. WARREN Dau S Female W 9 TX At Home KY MS N. B. WARREN Son S Male W 7 AR At Home KY MS Sabina WARREN Dau S Female W 6 TX At Home KY MS A. M. WARREN Dau S Female W 3 TX At Home KY MS J. H. WARREN Son S Male W 10M TX At Home KY MS Safrona WARNOCK SDau S Female W 18 MS At Home KY MS Robert WARREN Other S Male B 16 MS At Home --- --- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- Source Information: Census Place Precinct 6, Wise, Texas Family History Library Film 1255333 NA Film Number T9-1333 Page Number 223B

----------------- Forwarded Message: Subj:Re: From TXWISE@rootsweb.con Date:3/8/2004 9:19:07 AM Central Standard Time From:norma_kirchhofer@hotmail.com To:LaDarlaK@aol.com Sent from the Internet (Details) Thank you Sheryl This is what I show on Drucilla Patton, do you have any idea the names of Isom J. Warren children are below?.......................Thanks Norma Descendants of Drucilla Patton 1 Drucilla Patton b: 1850 in Mississippi d: in Wise, Texas . +James M. Warnock m: September 18, 1856 in Itawamba Co., Mississippi CD-5 d: 1861 in Civil War Casualty . 2 Safrona Warnock b: 1861 in Itawamba Co., Mississippi ..... +Joseph McNeely *2nd Husband of Drucilla Patton: . +William Jackson Tipton m: 1862 in Itawamba Co., Mississippi CD5 shows 19 1862 *3rd Husband of Drucilla Patton: . +Isom J. Warren b: 1813 in Wayne Co., Ky FARMER $3000.00 Value Farmer m: May 21, 1867 in Itawamba Co., Miss. CD-5 rec. show Drucilla Tipton d: Aft. 1880 in Wise, Texas Named in S. John's WILL $350.00 . 2 S. C. Warren b: 1867 in Itawamba Co., Mississippi . 2 I. T. Warren b: 1868 in Itawamba Co., Mississippi . 2 I. D. Warren b: 1869 in Itawamba Co., Mississippi . 2 M. L. Warren b: 1870 in Wise, Texas . 2 S. C. Warren b: 1871 in Wise, Texas . 2 N. B. Warren b: 1873 in Arkansas . 2 Sabina Warren b: 1874 in Precinct 6, Wise, Texas . 2 A. M. Warren b: 1877 in Precinct 6, Wise, Texas . 2 J. H. Warren b: 1879 in Precinct 6, Wise, Texas 10 months old ================================================================ WARREN, Isom J TIPTON, Drucilla 1867-May-21 ========================================================================= 1880 United States Census I. J. WARREN Self M Male W 70 KY Farmer VA KY Druzila WARREN Wife M Female W 30 MS Keeping House TN TN S. C. WARREN Dau S Female W 13 MS At School KY MS I. T. WARREN Dau S Female W 12 MS At School KY MS I. D. WARREN Son S Male W 11 MS Works On Farm KY MS M. L. WARREN Dau S Female W 10 TX At School KY MS S. C. WARREN Dau S Female W 9 TX At Home KY MS N. B. WARREN Son S Male W 7 AR At Home KY MS Sabina WARREN Dau S Female W 6 TX At Home KY MS A. M. WARREN Dau S Female W 3 TX At Home KY MS J. H. WARREN Son S Male W 10M TX At Home KY MS Safrona WARNOCK SDau S Female W 18 MS At Home KY MS Robert WARREN Other S Male B 16 MS At Home --- --- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- Source Information: Census Place Precinct 6, Wise, Texas Family History Library Film 1255333 NA Film Number T9-1333 Page Number 223B

Forwarded Message: Subj:Re: From TXWISE@rootsweb.con Date:3/8/2004 9:19:07 AM Central Standard Time From:norma_kirchhofer@hotmail.com To:LaDarlaK@aol.com Sent from the Internet (Details) Thank you Sheryl This is what I show on Drucilla Patton, do you have any idea the names of Isom J. Warren children are below?.......................Thanks Norma Descendants of Drucilla Patton 1 Drucilla Patton b: 1850 in Mississippi d: in Wise, Texas . +James M. Warnock m: September 18, 1856 in Itawamba Co., Mississippi CD-5 d: 1861 in Civil War Casualty . 2 Safrona Warnock b: 1861 in Itawamba Co., Mississippi ..... +Joseph McNeely *2nd Husband of Drucilla Patton: . +William Jackson Tipton m: 1862 in Itawamba Co., Mississippi CD5 shows 19 1862 *3rd Husband of Drucilla Patton: . +Isom J. Warren b: 1813 in Wayne Co., Ky FARMER $3000.00 Value Farmer m: May 21, 1867 in Itawamba Co., Miss. CD-5 rec. show Drucilla Tipton d: Aft. 1880 in Wise, Texas Named in S. John's WILL $350.00 . 2 S. C. Warren b: 1867 in Itawamba Co., Mississippi . 2 I. T. Warren b: 1868 in Itawamba Co., Mississippi . 2 I. D. Warren b: 1869 in Itawamba Co., Mississippi . 2 M. L. Warren b: 1870 in Wise, Texas . 2 S. C. Warren b: 1871 in Wise, Texas . 2 N. B. Warren b: 1873 in Arkansas . 2 Sabina Warren b: 1874 in Precinct 6, Wise, Texas . 2 A. M. Warren b: 1877 in Precinct 6, Wise, Texas . 2 J. H. Warren b: 1879 in Precinct 6, Wise, Texas 10 months old ================================================================ WARREN, Isom J TIPTON, Drucilla 1867-May-21 ========================================================================= 1880 United States Census I. J. WARREN Self M Male W 70 KY Farmer VA KY Druzila WARREN Wife M Female W 30 MS Keeping House TN TN S. C. WARREN Dau S Female W 13 MS At School KY MS I. T. WARREN Dau S Female W 12 MS At School KY MS I. D. WARREN Son S Male W 11 MS Works On Farm KY MS M. L. WARREN Dau S Female W 10 TX At School KY MS S. C. WARREN Dau S Female W 9 TX At Home KY MS N. B. WARREN Son S Male W 7 AR At Home KY MS Sabina WARREN Dau S Female W 6 TX At Home KY MS A. M. WARREN Dau S Female W 3 TX At Home KY MS J. H. WARREN Son S Male W 10M TX At Home KY MS Safrona WARNOCK SDau S Female W 18 MS At Home KY MS Robert WARREN Other S Male B 16 MS At Home --- --- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- Source Information: Census Place Precinct 6, Wise, Texas Family History Library Film 1255333 NA Film Number T9-1333 Page Number 223B Norma Kirchhofer Warren Historian 293 Matthew Dr. Bleemel Estates Mt. Washington Kentucky 40047 1-502-538-3385 norma_kirchhofer@hotmail.com Add this card to your address book

Norma, check on the posting by Barbara Claiborne on Rootsweb at: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:2605529&id=I542435609 This posting shows Isom's first wife and family and then his family with second wife, Druscilla Patton. Druscilla's daughter, Safronia B. WOMACK, is who you see listed with them as age 18 in the 1880 census. Safronia married my gg uncle, Joseph McNEELY. We also believe that Druscilla might have later married one of Joseph's uncles. Hope this helps. Sheryl McNeely Shaw sjmcs@earthlink.net > [Original Message] > From: <LaDarlaK@aol.com> > To: <TXWISE-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: 3/7/2004 7:04:00 PM > Subject: [TXWISE-L] Warren > > Forwarded Message: > Subj:Isom J. Warren > Date:3/6/2004 9:48:09 AM Central Standard Time > From:norma_kirchhofer@hotmail.com > To:ladarlak@aol.com > Sent from the Internet (Details) > > > > Karla: > > I am searching for Isom J. Warren & his wife Drucilla in Wise, Texas is it > possible that you could help me. I found him on the 1880 census they were > coming from Itawamba Co., Miss. > > Thanks you so much for your help Norma > > 1880 United States Census > > I. J. WARREN Self M Male W 70 KY Farmer VA KY > Druzila WARREN Wife M Female W 30 MS Keeping House TN TN > S. C. WARREN Dau S Female W 13 MS At School KY MS > I. T. WARREN Dau S Female W 12 MS At School KY MS > I. D. WARREN Son S Male W 11 MS Works On Farm KY MS > M. L. WARREN Dau S Female W 10 TX At School KY MS > S. C. WARREN Dau S Female W 9 TX At Home KY MS > N. B. WARREN Son S Male W 7 AR At Home KY MS > Sabina WARREN Dau S Female W 6 TX At Home KY MS > A. M. WARREN Dau S Female W 3 TX At Home KY MS > J. H. WARREN Son S Male W 10M TX At Home KY MS > Safrona WARNOCK SDau S Female W 18 MS At Home KY MS > Robert WARREN Other S Male B 16 MS At Home --- --- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -- > Source Information: > Census Place Precinct 6, Wise, Texas > Family History Library Film 1255333 > NA Film Number T9-1333 > Page Number 223B

Forwarded Message: Subj:Isom J. Warren Date:3/6/2004 9:48:09 AM Central Standard Time From:norma_kirchhofer@hotmail.com To:ladarlak@aol.com Sent from the Internet (Details) Karla: I am searching for Isom J. Warren & his wife Drucilla in Wise, Texas is it possible that you could help me. I found him on the 1880 census they were coming from Itawamba Co., Miss. Thanks you so much for your help Norma 1880 United States Census I. J. WARREN Self M Male W 70 KY Farmer VA KY Druzila WARREN Wife M Female W 30 MS Keeping House TN TN S. C. WARREN Dau S Female W 13 MS At School KY MS I. T. WARREN Dau S Female W 12 MS At School KY MS I. D. WARREN Son S Male W 11 MS Works On Farm KY MS M. L. WARREN Dau S Female W 10 TX At School KY MS S. C. WARREN Dau S Female W 9 TX At Home KY MS N. B. WARREN Son S Male W 7 AR At Home KY MS Sabina WARREN Dau S Female W 6 TX At Home KY MS A. M. WARREN Dau S Female W 3 TX At Home KY MS J. H. WARREN Son S Male W 10M TX At Home KY MS Safrona WARNOCK SDau S Female W 18 MS At Home KY MS Robert WARREN Other S Male B 16 MS At Home --- --- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- Source Information: Census Place Precinct 6, Wise, Texas Family History Library Film 1255333 NA Film Number T9-1333 Page Number 223B

If you are trying to find something from the orphanage in Fort Worth it is now the Gladney Home. My grandfather was adopted out of the home in Fort Worth in 1915 by a family named Brown. His biological name was Richardson, and did not know he had been adopted until World War II, after he had been married and all his children were born. He was 7 at the time of his adoption. His father died in 1913 and his mother put them in the home since she could not take care of them. I called and then wrote to the Gladney home and was able to obtain some info from them concerning physical condition and death date of my great-grandfather. My great-grandmother later remarried and had several daughters by 2nd husband. My grandfather Earl Richardson Brown also died in Corpus Christi where we were raised by him and my grandmother. Good luck in your search. Deborah Magnolia TX

RStrcnr@aol.com wrote: >Wanda, this is the problem, her mother died at her birth.She grew up with her >grandfather and he died around 1921-1924 and she was put in an orphanage in >Ft.Worth,Tx. We know nothing of her father either. She was 5-8 yrs of age when >her grandfather died. On her birth certificate made in 1942 says she was born >in Paradise,Tx Wise Co. These are the only clues I have. I also had a possible >name of Brown,my grandmother had said years ago .But we don't knoe forsure . >I know this is a hard one ,but I sure hope to find piece by piece till I find >her family. She passed away in 1986 in Corpus Christi,Tx >Thankyou so much, Richard Stracener > Was she at the Masonic Home or Lena Pope? They should have some record. I grew up in the Methodist Children's Home at Waco. Even foundlings they searched out the actual identy. All may not do that but it is a chance. What was her given name & birth date? Have you checked the births on record for that date? Of course all were not recorded but my mother's brothers & sisters who were born at Paradise are listed in that book and they were born in the late 1800s. There is a copy at the museum I think. You might even be able to purchase a copy there. Who placed her in the orphanage? Wanda in Seymour in the great State of TEXAS, USA

Wanda, this is the problem, her mother died at her birth.She grew up with her grandfather and he died around 1921-1924 and she was put in an orphanage in Ft.Worth,Tx. We know nothing of her father either. She was 5-8 yrs of age when her grandfather died. On her birth certificate made in 1942 says she was born in Paradise,Tx Wise Co. These are the only clues I have. I also had a possible name of Brown,my grandmother had said years ago .But we don't knoe forsure . I know this is a hard one ,but I sure hope to find piece by piece till I find her family. She passed away in 1986 in Corpus Christi,Tx Thankyou so much, Richard Stracener

Hi all, Both the Texas Marriages Search and Divorces Search have been updated to include the 2002 dataset. The addresses are: Texas Marriages Search Engine 1966-2002 http://www.genlookups.com/texas_marriages/ Texas Divorces Search Engine 1968-2002 http://www.genlookups.com/texas_divorces/ Other free marriage search engines can be found on the left side of http://www.genlookups.com/marriages/ Hope these help. Bill Obituary Links Page http://www.obitlinkspage.com Obituary Central http://www.obitcentral.com

On the 1900 Wise County, Texas is: Wilson, William J., age 43 b. in LA, b. Sep 1857; married 15 yrs Ollie, wife, age 32 b. LA married 15 yrs; 5 children b./5 living William b. August 1886 age 13 Henry , son age 12 Effie, dau age 11 Jessie son age 10 Walter son age 4 I believe this is the same William Wilson on the 1870 McLennan County census and in Hill County on the 1880. I would love to communicate with anyone who is related to this family or researching them. Thank you so much for reading this, Sandra Van Wyk in Texas >

RStrcnr@aol.com wrote: >I am looking for birth records of 1917,would you have these? I am looking for >my grandmother,please let me know ! Thankyou Richard Stracener > > You need to give more info....like a name. Wanda in Seymour in the great State of TEXAS, USA

Tried them? Yes, I about wore them out, looking for YEARS. But I found them the next day in 1 minute by spending $10 for an online people search service. It was an amazing experience. I couldn't believe it at first. Janet -----Original Message----- From: Tcmcmurray@aol.com [mailto:Tcmcmurray@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 8:03 AM To: TXWISE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TXWISE-L] Seeking Kathryn F Turner, Grapevine TX In a message dated 3/2/2004 9:06:40 PM Central Standard Time, jhubbard@mcn.org writes: Dear John and Mary, I'm sorry I can't help this lady. I haven't researched those names. I'm sure she has tried the following: www.ancestry.com ; www.familytreemaker.com ; www.rootsweb.com ; www.familysearch.com ; www.gencircles.com and other sites. Aunt Janet I am seeking information about Kathryn (Kay/Katie) Turner, formerly (possibly still?) of Grapevine, TX. My maternal grandfather (Frank William Roepke) married Julia C. (Furton) Martin in Manhattan, KS in 1953 after his first wife died. Julia was the mother of Kathryn Frances Martin and sons Ernie, Garvin, and Edwin. Kathryn married Norman Turner and they had a daughter, Linda. In 1966, Julia wrote me that Linda had just had a daughter, Traci Linn. Unfortunately she did not mention Linda's married name or where she lived. She did give an address for Kay in Wichita KS but when Julia died in 1967 the obituary said Kay was from Grapevine, TX. After Julia's death, our family lost contact with her children by her first marriage. Although I read this list religiously to learn about my paternal grandmother's family (Rays and Holts), I never thought I would find another connection to Wise County. I am hoping that someone who reads this list will know of Kay or her husband Norman or her daughter Linda and help me re-establish contact with them. I am preparing a new family history on the Roepke family and would like nothing better than to be able to include updated information and photos of Kay and her family. The only photos I have of them are ones that my father, Ed Schrock, took of them during the late 1940's probably. Julia adopted all 33 of her stepgrandchildren as though they were her own, and we loved her dearly. She was the only grandmother I knew on that side of the family. I have learned recently that Kay's brother Garvin died a few years ago, as did her brother Ernie. But I am unable to find Kay, Norman, or Linda. Please contact me if you have any information that would help me, or suggestions about how to find them. Perhaps someone on the list lives in or near Grapevine and has heard of them? Janet (Schrock) Hubbard

I am looking for birth records of 1917,would you have these? I am looking for my grandmother,please let me know ! Thankyou Richard Stracener

----- Original Message ----- From: <RStrcnr@aol.com> To: <TXWISE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 8:29 PM Subject: [TXWISE-L] looking for GRANDMA ! > I am looking for birth records of 1917,would you have these? I am looking for > my grandmother,please let me know ! Thankyou Richard Stracener >

If the person you are searching for is deceased, you can usually find their date of birth in the Social Security Death Index. You can also search cemetery records or order a copy of her death certificate. Online birth records for Texas don't begin until 1926. RStrcnr@aol.com wrote:I am looking for birth records of 1917,would you have these? I am looking for my grandmother,please let me know ! Thankyou Richard Stracener

In a message dated 3/2/2004 9:06:40 PM Central Standard Time, jhubbard@mcn.org writes: Dear John and Mary, I'm sorry I can't help this lady. I haven't researched those names. I'm sure she has tried the following: www.ancestry.com ; www.familytreemaker.com ; www.rootsweb.com ; www.familysearch.com ; www.gencircles.com and other sites. Aunt Janet I am seeking information about Kathryn (Kay/Katie) Turner, formerly (possibly still?) of Grapevine, TX. My maternal grandfather (Frank William Roepke) married Julia C. (Furton) Martin in Manhattan, KS in 1953 after his first wife died. Julia was the mother of Kathryn Frances Martin and sons Ernie, Garvin, and Edwin. Kathryn married Norman Turner and they had a daughter, Linda. In 1966, Julia wrote me that Linda had just had a daughter, Traci Linn. Unfortunately she did not mention Linda's married name or where she lived. She did give an address for Kay in Wichita KS but when Julia died in 1967 the obituary said Kay was from Grapevine, TX. After Julia's death, our family lost contact with her children by her first marriage. Although I read this list religiously to learn about my paternal grandmother's family (Rays and Holts), I never thought I would find another connection to Wise County. I am hoping that someone who reads this list will know of Kay or her husband Norman or her daughter Linda and help me re-establish contact with them. I am preparing a new family history on the Roepke family and would like nothing better than to be able to include updated information and photos of Kay and her family. The only photos I have of them are ones that my father, Ed Schrock, took of them during the late 1940's probably. Julia adopted all 33 of her stepgrandchildren as though they were her own, and we loved her dearly. She was the only grandmother I knew on that side of the family. I have learned recently that Kay's brother Garvin died a few years ago, as did her brother Ernie. But I am unable to find Kay, Norman, or Linda. Please contact me if you have any information that would help me, or suggestions about how to find them. Perhaps someone on the list lives in or near Grapevine and has heard of them? Janet (Schrock) Hubbard