Hello Julie: I am writing back to you--several days after I got this one indirectly from you. I have meant to write right back, but several things prevented it--I am sorry that I didn't write sooner. You mentioned in one of your last e-mails about where I got my information on the parents of Phoebe Bell Collins Terry--my sister Mary Alice Terry Cousins did most of the research and she is the one who mentioned John Collins and Elizabeth Johnson as being the parents of Phoebe Bell Collins--I thought she had done all the research, and I am sure she thought she was right--I just put it in in my records as such. I do know that Phoebe Bell Collins was married to my grandfather(James Levi Terry)-she was his first wife. His second wife and the mother of his children after Homer, was Victoria Monk. I have a picture of Phoebe Bell, my father(Henry Clay Terry), and his family at that time. His brother, Owen, was in the picture. Also someone named "Collins", and I have the name of "Frank" as his first name, but now I am not sure of that. He was supposed to be Phoebe's brother, and went to Texas with them. Perhaps you can help me on that-I believe Curtie Terry is in the picture. I will see if I can get it put the scanner and make a picture of it and send you, but I am not good on that. Is there any way cheap that I can get a copy of Birth Records Wise County, 1864-1902, published by Julian G. Allen? Is there any way to get this book? Let me know. Sincerely, Ruth Cole Subject: Re: [TXWISE-L] genealogy | those are both in my line, thank you! I sure wish the death | certificates were as easy to find. Phoebia "Bell" Collins Terry died 16 Oct 1900. I | was wrong in my last message. Her son Homer Terry was born the day she died. I | sure would like to find a death cert. for her! Julie | |

Did you know the Barnes family from around Chico? Gerald Copher --------------------------------------------------------------------- "Are you still wasting your time with spam?... There is a solution!" Protected by GIANT Company's Spam Inspector The most powerful anti-spam software available. http://mail.spaminspector.com ----- Original Message ----- From: <Tylerfh2000@aol.com> To: <TXWISE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 9:18 PM Subject: Re: [TXWISE-L] FYI--Anyone remember Grandma's Apron? > My Altman family was from Chico and my Trammell family also lived in Wise > County. > > Ron Hesdorff > tylerfh2000@aol.com > >

----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Neal" <kcneal@charter.net> To: <TXWISE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 5:43 AM Subject: Re: [TXWISE-L] FYI--Anyone remember Grandma's Apron? > My great-grandfather, Samuel Martin West, was born in Tarrant County, Texas > in 1863. He was a rural mail carrier in the Bridgeport area. My > grandmother said that her father delivered the mail from his horse and > buggy. In the winter when it was cold different people on his route would > heat large flat rocks by their hearth and bring one out to put in the floor > of his buggy. He would put his feet on them to stay warm. There were > several of these rocks and a they went from house to house. The people > would bring their rock out with their ice tongs and return the cold rock to > their hearth. What a wonderful spirit of community----- Original > Message ----- > From: "Kerry McCullough" <kerrymccullough@hotmail.com> > To: <TXWISE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 9:15 PM > Subject: Re: [TXWISE-L] FYI--Anyone remember Grandma's Apron? > > > > Bill, > > I would love to hear more of your memories. Do you by chance remember the > > Brooks's families from Chico? I truly enjoy hearing how life was lived in > > the past. It seems like such a calm time compared to the rush in today's > > world. P;ease tell me more. You can email me direct at > > kerrymccullough@hotmail.com or I'll pick up your news on this list. > > > > > > > > Kerry McCullough > > 101 E. Bissel Street > > Hugo, OK 74743 > > kerrymccullough@hotmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Billy G Albritton <bil.dot-alb1404@juno.com> > > Reply-To: TXWISE-L@rootsweb.com > > To: TXWISE-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [TXWISE-L] FYI--Anyone remember Grandma's Apron? > > Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 17:07:33 -0500 > > > > My Grandmother wore an apron. So did my Mother. They wore bonnets, long > > sleeve > > dresses. They did not go around dressed like naked jay -birds. > > > > My great grandmother wore dresses down to her ankles. > > > > I'm 77 almost 78. My grandfather was a child during the Civil war. I had > > three greatgrandfathers in > > the Civil War. > > > > When I was born in Bridgeport, we had only one paved road, and it went to > > Decatur and Chico. > > Farmers brought their corn into town in wagons to be ground.. > > The mill was down by turkey Creek, where the swimming pool is today. > > > > There were good things about those days, I miss today. > > > > Billy Albritton > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! > > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > > > >

My great-grandfather, Samuel Martin West, was born in Tarrant County, Texas in 1863. He was a rural mail carrier in the Bridgeport area. My grandmother said that her father delivered the mail from his horse and buggy. In the winter when it was cold different people on his route would heat large flat rocks by their hearth and bring one out to put in the floor of his buggy. He would put his feet on them to stay warm. There were several of these rocks and a they went from house to house. The people would bring their rock out with their ice tongs and return the cold rock to their hearth. What a wonderful spirit of community----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry McCullough" <kerrymccullough@hotmail.com> To: <TXWISE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 9:15 PM Subject: Re: [TXWISE-L] FYI--Anyone remember Grandma's Apron? > Bill, > I would love to hear more of your memories. Do you by chance remember the > Brooks's families from Chico? I truly enjoy hearing how life was lived in > the past. It seems like such a calm time compared to the rush in today's > world. P;ease tell me more. You can email me direct at > kerrymccullough@hotmail.com or I'll pick up your news on this list. > > > > Kerry McCullough > 101 E. Bissel Street > Hugo, OK 74743 > kerrymccullough@hotmail.com > > > > > > From: Billy G Albritton <bil.dot-alb1404@juno.com> > Reply-To: TXWISE-L@rootsweb.com > To: TXWISE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [TXWISE-L] FYI--Anyone remember Grandma's Apron? > Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 17:07:33 -0500 > > My Grandmother wore an apron. So did my Mother. They wore bonnets, long > sleeve > dresses. They did not go around dressed like naked jay -birds. > > My great grandmother wore dresses down to her ankles. > > I'm 77 almost 78. My grandfather was a child during the Civil war. I had > three greatgrandfathers in > the Civil War. > > When I was born in Bridgeport, we had only one paved road, and it went to > Decatur and Chico. > Farmers brought their corn into town in wagons to be ground.. > The mill was down by turkey Creek, where the swimming pool is today. > > There were good things about those days, I miss today. > > Billy Albritton > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > >

Get rid of the maternity clothes. You won't need them again! I say this as a tease. My daughter is trying to get me to go through all my "treasures" and get rid of most of them.. She is right about some things..., but I tell her some of my treasures she can throw away after I'm gone, but until then I'm keeping them!----- Original Message ----- From: <TxBBNTwigsNTrees@aol.com> To: <TXWISE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 11:12 PM Subject: Re: [TXWISE-L] Grandma's Apron Thanks for the memories........ > In a message dated 8/30/2004 9:54:51 PM Central Standard Time, > jhubbard@mcn.org writes: > Somewhere I still have my grandmother's pattern for making those > bonnets. She never had skin cancer! > Wish I still had all those "newspaper" patterns - what a treasure they would > be today........but how I hated that little bonnet Grandmother stuck on my > head "so I wouldn't bake my brains out"..........to this day, I will not wear a > "hat"! But at least I do still have a couple of aprons.........made from feed > sacks........along with all my 50 year old maternity clothes - also made from > Grandmother's hoard of feed sacks! > > Those were the days that the younger generation will ever know..........or > enjoy! What a shame! > > Wil > >

I always enjoy the old stories of Wise County. Would anyone have access to history back in the 1880s when my g-grandfather, William H. Valentine was a retail grocer in Justice, TX. The 1880 census says my grandfather James Marion Valentine was a clerk in a Drug Store. I've always wondered if the Drug Store was part of my g-grandfathers grocery. The information on my Valentines has been very hard to come by. Would really appreciate any information. Karen

In a message dated 8/30/2004 9:54:51 PM Central Standard Time, jhubbard@mcn.org writes: Somewhere I still have my grandmother's pattern for making those bonnets. She never had skin cancer! Wish I still had all those "newspaper" patterns - what a treasure they would be today........but how I hated that little bonnet Grandmother stuck on my head "so I wouldn't bake my brains out"..........to this day, I will not wear a "hat"! But at least I do still have a couple of aprons.........made from feed sacks........along with all my 50 year old maternity clothes - also made from Grandmother's hoard of feed sacks! Those were the days that the younger generation will ever know..........or enjoy! What a shame! Wil

My Altman family was from Chico and my Trammell family also lived in Wise County. Ron Hesdorff tylerfh2000@aol.com

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Hi All: If you haven't ever worn an apron, you are in for a wonderful treat. Go buy yourself a large one-not fancy- but big. I still have my mother's aprons. She used to make them and give them to us. I don't think any thing will ever replace the apron. Thanks for reminding me of their usefulness. I wear them all the time, but have just taken them for granted for years. My Grandmother taught me the usefulness of them and I'm sixty six years old and they are part of my life. I think this is a great idea for Christmas this year. Thanks for the reminder! Betty ----- Original Message ----- From: <LaDarlaK@aol.com> To: <TXWISE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 6:54 AM Subject: [TXWISE-L] FYI--Anyone remember Grandma's Apron? > USES OF GRANDMA"S APRON > The principle use of Grandma's apron was to protect the dress underneath, > but > along with that, it served as a holder for removing hot pans from the oven; > it was wonderful for drying children's tears, and on occasion was > even used for cleaning out dirty ears. > > > >From the chicken-coop the apron was used for carrying eggs, fussy chicks, > > >and sometimes half-hatched eggs to be finished in the warming oven. > > When company came those old aprons were ideal hiding places for shy kids; > and > when the weather was cold, grandma wrapped it around her arms. > > Those big old aprons wiped many a perspiring brow, bent over the hot wood > stove. Chips and kindling-wood were brought into the kitchen in that apron. > > >From the garden it carried all sorts of vegetables. After the > peas had been shelled it carried out the hulls. > > In the fall it was used to bring in apples that had fallen from > the trees. > When unexpected company drove up the road, it was surprising how much > furniture that old apron could dust in a matter of seconds. > > When dinner was ready, Grandma walked out on the porch and waved her apron, > and the men knew it was time to come in from the fields for dinner. > > It will be a long time before anyone invents something that will replace > that old-time apron that served so many purposes. > > > Our success is not known to us, but rather to those we leave behind! > > >

Bill, I would love to hear more of your memories. Do you by chance remember the Brooks's families from Chico? I truly enjoy hearing how life was lived in the past. It seems like such a calm time compared to the rush in today's world. P;ease tell me more. You can email me direct at kerrymccullough@hotmail.com or I'll pick up your news on this list. Kerry McCullough 101 E. Bissel Street Hugo, OK 74743 kerrymccullough@hotmail.com From: Billy G Albritton <bil.dot-alb1404@juno.com> Reply-To: TXWISE-L@rootsweb.com To: TXWISE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TXWISE-L] FYI--Anyone remember Grandma's Apron? Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 17:07:33 -0500 My Grandmother wore an apron. So did my Mother. They wore bonnets, long sleeve dresses. They did not go around dressed like naked jay -birds. My great grandmother wore dresses down to her ankles. I'm 77 almost 78. My grandfather was a child during the Civil war. I had three greatgrandfathers in the Civil War. When I was born in Bridgeport, we had only one paved road, and it went to Decatur and Chico. Farmers brought their corn into town in wagons to be ground.. The mill was down by turkey Creek, where the swimming pool is today. There were good things about those days, I miss today. Billy Albritton _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/

Billy, I enjoy hearing about how Wise co. used to be. I have a photo of my dad and mother that was taken on a dirt road in 1930, somewhere in Wise County. They were going from near Agnes to Bridgeport for a church singing. There were but two trails for the tires in a single lane, for one car to travel. I suppose they pulled over if they met a car. The roadway looked strange with the grass growing up between the tracks. Mama said they had to ford a creek where there wasn't a bridge, but since the car sit up high with high tires they didn' t get wet inside the car. Shirley > I'm 77 almost 78. My grandfather was a child during the Civil war. I had > three greatgrandfathers in > the Civil War. > > When I was born in Bridgeport, we had only one paved road, and it went to > Decatur and Chico. > Farmers brought their corn into town in wagons to be ground.. > The mill was down by turkey Creek, where the swimming pool is today. > > There were good things about those days, I miss today. > > Billy Albritton >

I am 68 years of age and I remember that my mother always wore a bonnet and generally long sleeves. I can remember her saying: "The sun is not your friend". Without all the dermatologists' information she had it right and I wished I had followed her example more diligently. Howard Cook Washington State -----Original Message----- From: s garcia [mailto:tgarcia6@stx.rr.com] Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 10:54 AM To: TXWISE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TXWISE-L] GRANDMA, APRON Don, How right you are. Those old timer farmers knew the best way to beat the heat stroke was to keep the head covered from the sun. It was such a habit of my Mama to don her slat bonnet and Daddy his straw hat, that it was second nature to them both. When we girls were young and had to help in the fields she would try her best to get us to wear bonnets so we wouldn't get so brown and look like "field hands" which didn't make sense to us. They knew without TV ads that the sun in full force was harmful in more ways than one. Shirley in TX ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Cates" <hrc1@casscomm.com> To: <TXWISE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 11:25 AM Subject: [TXWISE-L] GRANDMA, APRON > My grandmother lived in rural Oklahoma, the apron stories brought back many good memories, but I also remember driving up to grandmother home and seeing her in the garden with a big bonnet on. It seemed to go with the apron, don >

Somewhere I still have my grandmother's pattern for making those bonnets. She never had skin cancer! I remember going to a big quilting show where a vendor was selling old material. Suddenly I smelled my grandmother and I almost burst into tears. It turned out they were selling flour sacks. The smell I so strongly associated with her was the smell of the flour, which really never left the dresses, aprons, and bonnets she made of those flour sacks. Janet -----Original Message----- From: Ronald & Carla Womack [mailto:carwom@ntws.net] Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 9:54 AM To: TXWISE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [TXWISE-L] Grandma's Apron Hey, am I the only old person on this list? I never knew one grandmother and the other died when I was all of seven years of age. It did bring back memories though as I can remember my mother wearing one. Another thing that mother wore which I guess one would say is outdated today, was a bonnet. Can't say that we still have one of her's but we do have five that belonged to my wife's mother and one of her grandmothers.

Gary, Yes, there is a book which covers 1864 to 1902 births for Wise County, but these are delayed births and only about 10% of the births are covered (based on my experience). Texas didn't require birth registrations until 1903. I looked in: Birth Records Wise County Texas, 1864-1902 by Julian G. Allen, publ. by Julian G. Allen 1986, Austin Texas. but didn't find any Therrell's listed. I also looked at the Terrell's. Sorry, Dave Pitts Houston TX On Monday, August 30, 2004, at 04:35 PM, Gary Grider wrote: > I'm looking for birth records for Bertha Deanie Therrell who was born > around Rhome Texas on November 01, 1882. Does the Wise county records > go back that far? > > In addition I would like to express my thanks to the folks that do all > the hard work for Wise County Genealogy. > > Gary Grider > Clovis, New Mexico >

Billy, We would sure enjoy hearing some things about how Bridgeport and Wise County were back when you were younger. Thanks, La Darla In a message dated 8/30/2004 4:59:50 PM Central Standard Time, bil.dot-alb1404@juno.com writes: I'm 77 almost 78. My grandfather was a child during the Civil war. I had three greatgrandfathers in the Civil War. When I was born in Bridgeport, we had only one paved road, and it went to Decatur and Chico. Farmers brought their corn into town in wagons to be ground.. The mill was down by turkey Creek, where the swimming pool is today. There were good things about those days, I miss today. Billy Albritton

My Grandmother wore an apron. So did my Mother. They wore bonnets, long sleeve dresses. They did not go around dressed like naked jay -birds. My great grandmother wore dresses down to her ankles. I'm 77 almost 78. My grandfather was a child during the Civil war. I had three greatgrandfathers in the Civil War. When I was born in Bridgeport, we had only one paved road, and it went to Decatur and Chico. Farmers brought their corn into town in wagons to be ground.. The mill was down by turkey Creek, where the swimming pool is today. There were good things about those days, I miss today. Billy Albritton

I wish I could remember my grandmother's wearing aprons.... However, one died when I was 2, the other moved into town (Stillwater, OK) by the time I was old enough to remember anything about her. My step-grandmother (maternal) and my grandmother (paternal) just wore them to clean house or to cook. I do remember when the whole Hays family would get together Grandma Hays would pass out extra aprons to all the daughters and daughter-in-law's, I have 8 aunts and uncles. I do remember my great aunt and great-grandmother in aprons though. They were in their 80's when I got to know them, and both lived well into their 90's. In fact I only recall ever seeing them without an apron at my aunt, and grandfather's funerals!! The rest of the time I think that was "standard equipment" for them. Speaking of Grandma's Apron though, I remember my grandfather and his brothers, never being in anything other than a pair of Osh-Kosh overalls. And even on Sunday grandpa would usually just throw a suit jacket over the overalls for church. I guess rural Oklahoma Methodists were casual even in the 60's and 70's. Scott Hays Economics Department RH 508 6001 Dodge Street Omaha, NE 68182-0048 (402) 554-2570 Scott_Hays@unomaha.edu

I'm looking for birth records for Bertha Deanie Therrell who was born around Rhome Texas on November 01, 1882. Does the Wise county records go back that far? In addition I would like to express my thanks to the folks that do all the hard work for Wise County Genealogy. Gary Grider Clovis, New Mexico

Don, How right you are. Those old timer farmers knew the best way to beat the heat stroke was to keep the head covered from the sun. It was such a habit of my Mama to don her slat bonnet and Daddy his straw hat, that it was second nature to them both. When we girls were young and had to help in the fields she would try her best to get us to wear bonnets so we wouldn't get so brown and look like "field hands" which didn't make sense to us. They knew without TV ads that the sun in full force was harmful in more ways than one. Shirley in TX ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Cates" <hrc1@casscomm.com> To: <TXWISE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 11:25 AM Subject: [TXWISE-L] GRANDMA, APRON > My grandmother lived in rural Oklahoma, the apron stories brought back many good memories, but I also remember driving up to grandmother home and seeing her in the garden with a big bonnet on. It seemed to go with the apron, don >