Hi, Did you get my attachment with info about W.W.O. Stanfield? -Joanne ----- Original Message ----- From: <Tcmcmurray@aol.com> To: <TXWISE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 8:12 PM Subject: Re: [TXWISE-L] Stanfield > > Joanne, > I don't have anything on WWO Stanfield and would love your sharing your > information. > Janet > > > >

The headstones and funeral records listed for the Altman and Trammell families are related to my family. Nathan and Mary J. Altman are my great great grandparents. Most, if not all, of the Trammell family listed is that of my great grandfather Marion Trammell's brother Emanuel D. Trammell. Emanuel Trammell and his family lived in Wise County. Emanuel and my Marion Trammell, half brothers, father was James Riley Trammell, he was a Methodist preacher. James Riley Trammell lived and died in Wise County in 1905, he was born in Campbell County, Tennessee in 1824. My great grandfather Marion Trammell married my great grandmother Malissa Emma Altman in Wise County, Texas in 1885. My grandfather, Odie E. Trammell, was born in Alvord, Wise County, Texas on December 22, 1888. Thank you for the information. Ron Hesdorff tylerfh2000@aol.com

According to my findings, Bennet C. Barnes and family came to Wise Co. after 1850. Was enumerated in Wise Co. in 1860 but was found in Hopkins Co. in 1870 and back in Wise Co. in 1880...Bennet was not with his family in the 1870 or 1880 census. There was abstract work done in 1873 in Wise Co. and again in Jan 1960, (BC Barnes deceased to heirs of BC Barnes). Is it possible to find a list of the heirs of BC Barnes referenced here? Gerald Copher

Cottonwood Cemetery is north of Decatur, toward Slidell, close to Greenwood. See page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~drycreek/cottonwood.htm J.N. Elliott's headstone is next to Beatrice Elliott Seabolt's (1891-1940) I'll send you these 2 headstone pictures and her funeral record in separate emails. Hope you can figure this out. Sue We have the following Elliot headstones in Wise County: Looks like they are all over the county. Cemetery # Last Name First Name Born Date of Death Other Information Anneville 68 Elliott Addie Willcheck Apr 8, 1885 Feb 25, 1944Headstone with James B. Oaklawn 4411 Elliott Beatrice Pitts Apr 24, 1924 Aug 31, 1979Wed Oct 28, 1944, headstone with Roy Bridgeport-East 1820 Elliott Bertha S. 1909 Headstone with Clifford H. Aurora 1539 Elliott Billie Rae Dec 30, 1952 June 15, 2000 Paradise 533 Elliott C.E. 1872 1939Husband of Mary E. Bridgeport-East 133 Elliott Claud L. 1883 1964Headstone with Lora E. Bridgeport-East 1821 Elliott Clifford H. 1904 1984Headstone with Bertha S. Bridgeport-East 197 Elliott E.M. 1860 1921Headstone with Nancy E. Bridgeport-East 137 Elliott Francis May Jan 16, 1911 Feb 9, 1911 Alvord 1210 Elliott Garlan H. Jun 12, 1892 Sep 24, 1961Headstone with Lura Dean Aurora 1475 Elliott Helen Marie June 10, 1936 Sept 19, 1994 Alvord 1212 Elliott Hoyte Manford Jul 9, 1914 Headstone with Tommie Paradise 667 Elliott Infant 1927 Son of Bob & Sister Rush Creek 96 Elliott Infant Sept 6, 1917 Sept 6, 1917Daughter of Thomas & Mattie Crafton 206 Elliott J.M. Dec 18, 1878Age 72 yrs. - Headstone with M.F. Cottonwood 152 Elliott J.N. Aug 20, 1889 Jan 12, 1927 Anneville 69 Elliott James Bland Feb 13, 1881 Aug 21, 1948Headstone with Addie Cottonwood 191 Elliott John Y. Aug 26, 1836 Mar 10, 1891 Bridgeport-East 135 Elliott Lela Ruth July 10, 1919 July 10, 1919 Pleasant Grove #1 10 Elliott Leona Hicks Jul 21, 1913 Jun 26, 1997Headstone with Richard Bridgeport-East 132 Elliott Lora E. 1879 1929Headstone with Claud L. Alvord 1209 Elliott Lura Dean Aug 5, 1902 Headstone with Garlan H Crafton 207 Elliott M.F. July 31, 1878Son of Dr. J.F. - Age 5 mos, 20 dys Paradise 669 Elliott Marie E. Apr 22, 1902 Aug 18, 1988Wife of R.F. (Bob) Aurora 66 Elliott Mary Apr 3, 1890Aged 57 years - Wife of W.C. Paradise 532 Elliott Mary E. 1881 Wife of C.E. Bridgeport-East 198 Elliott Nancy E. 1879 1952Headstone with E.M. Bridgeport-East 136 Elliott Oleta May Jan 31, 1917 Nov 9, 1921 Paradise 668 Elliott R.F. (Bob) Feb 16, 1901 Sept 13, 1957Husband of Marie E. Pleasant Grove #1 11 Elliott Richard Lee Jul 18, 1907 Apr 28, 1979Headstone with Leona Oaklawn 4412 Elliott Roy Wesley Dec 3, 1922 June 22, 1981 Cottonwood 190 Elliott Sarah A.V. May 16, 1842 Apr 4, 1899Wife of J.Y. Alvord 1589 Elliott Shem Aug 2, 1889 Jun 11, 1947 Alvord 1211 Elliott Tommie Sarah Jun 16, 1916 Sep 2, 1978Headstone with Hoyte ----- Original Message ----- From: <Neatstuffgifts@aol.com> To: <TXWISE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 2:01 PM Subject: [TXWISE-L] J. Noah Elliott > > LaDarla, In regards to the message that I posted earlier on the Elliots, I > have found a J. Noah Elliott's funeral record. He died Jan. 12, 1927 in Decatur > and he was the Son of Barney L. and Nancy or Nannie Tibbits Elliott and the > record says that he was buried in the Cottonwood Cemetery. This cemetery is > not in my cemetery book. Can you tell me where it is? > Also, is there anyway that you can lookup an obit for him and just see if it > lists a surviving sister by the name of Lulu and where she was from? She had > divorced Babe Williams by this time and was supposed to have been in CA. I > would appreciate any help that you can give me on this. I just want to be able > to prove that Barney Elliott is Lulu's father. Thanks! Julie > > > > Thanks to Dave Pitts I have now found out that My Great Grand Uncle Babe > Williams married Lulu Elliott 24 Dec 1898. Lulu was born Oct. 1884. In 1900 > they were living in Forestburg, Montague Co. but by 1900 they were back in Wise > Co. and had 2 daughters, Blanche and Bertie. Is there anyone on this list > searching an Elliott family? > > Julie Coley > 111 Aberdeen St. > Wichita Falls, TX 76302 > _J.K.Street Letters and My Family Tree_ > (http://wehaveneatstuff.com/streetpapers.htm) > > > >

We have the following Altman and Trammell headstones and funeral records in Wise County: Cemetery # Last Name First Name Born Date of Death Other Information Chico [2203] Altman Nathan Jul 8, 1825 Apr 10, 1906 Chico 475 Altman Bell Nov 10,1875 Sept 22,1889Daughter of N & M.J. Chico 484 Altman Mary J. Mar 6,1834 Dec 3, 1911Wife of N. Chico 476 Altman Alonzo N. Nov 5, 1871 Aug 19, 1833Son of N. & M.J. East Mound 26 Trammell ? Broken (N.) (1806) ?(Dec) 23, 1882 Aged ?(76 yrs) 15 days Willow Point 416 Trammell Ben W. Feb 16, 1881 Sept 21, 1946Husband of Pearley M. Bridgeport-West 537 Trammell Bennie W. Feb 22, 1921 Aug 16, 1995Wed Mar 13, 1943 - S2 US Navy WWII "Hamberger Ben" Bridgeport-West 536 Trammell Dorothy J. Oct 9, 1925 Wed Mar 13, 1943 Willow Point 417 Trammell Emanuel D. July 1848 July 1933 Willow Point 415 Trammell Pearley M. June 19, 1887 Mar 20, 1972Wife of Ben W. Willow Point 429 Trammell T.R. (Ted) Sept 17, 1905 Mar 23, 1975Wed Sept 16, 1924 Willow Point 428 Trammell Tom Y. Jan 25, 1909 Nov 17, 1972 Willow Point 430 Trammell Vena S. Apr 11, 1906 Oct 25, 1995Wed Sept 16, 1924 Funeral records: no Altman funeral records HF90 125 Trammel William Sammuel H33 242 Trammell Ben W. H93 284 Trammell Benjamin Weaver, Jr. HF95 125 Trammell Benjamin Weaver, Jr. "Bennie" H33 298 Trammell E.D., Mr. C88 115 Trammell Jim A. H84 244 Trammell Richard Leroy HF85 152 Trammell Richard Leroy (Muggs) HF73 1504 Trammell Theodore Roosevelt ----- Original Message ----- From: <Tylerfh2000@aol.com> To: <TXWISE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 8:16 PM Subject: [TXWISE-L] Altman and Trammell > Researching ALTMAN and TRAMMELL surnames from Wise County. > > Anyone who would like to correspond, please let me know. > > Ron Hesdorff > tylerfh2000@aol.com > San Antonio, TX > >

Dee, We can't tell you that, since we don't know what information you have. Sometimes there is more in the microfilm than what is in the abstract. Rosalie Gregg Executive Director ----- Original Message ----- From: "dee_sh" <dee_sh@swbell.net> To: <TXWISE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 1:56 PM Subject: [TXWISE-L] Messenger > Last time I was in Decatur, I made some copies of Messenger abastracts. Some articles are not complete. Are the complete articles available for the period 1880-1910? > > Dee Shappell >

not sure, could be, they were married 23 sep 1897. Dr RL Miller was listed as widowed in 1900 and maried Alma Young in Wichita Falls in 1904. Thanks a bunch for your time... Dee Shappell ----- Original Message ----- From: "MERAL DAVIS" <meda@advantexmail.net> To: <TXWISE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 9:22 AM Subject: Re: [TXWISE-L] RL Miller > There is an "Ada Miller" in Greenwood 4/3/1875 - 2/7/1923 with the > inscription "Mother", she is by herself. Could this be the correct Ada? > > Meral Davis > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David E. Pitts" <pitts-gen-281@sbcglobal.net> > To: <TXWISE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 12:36 AM > Subject: Re: [TXWISE-L] RL Miller > > >> Looks like Lena York Miller died on Sept 29, 1896. So Dr. R. L. Miller >> may very well have remarried in Sept 1897. Attached is a photo of her >> headstone in Oaklawn Cemetery, Wise County Texas. I don't find the >> headstone of R. L. or Ada, so they may be buried together in another >> county. >> >> I've sent a copy of Lena's headstone to Dee off list. >> >> I also suggested she ask Rosalee Gregg and her staff to look in the early >> Wise county messenger indices about 1896 and 1897 to see if there are any >> announcements >> pertaining to this question. >> >> Dave Pitts >> Houston TX >> >> On Sunday, October 10, 2004, at 07:24 PM, dee_sh wrote: >> >>> Can you tell me if RL Miller h/o Lena May York (Book 3, 292) and RL >>> Miller h/o Ada Savage (Book 3, 461) are the same person ? RL Miller is >>> a son of Will A Miller and shown in the 1900 census of Wise Co. >>> >>> Thank you for your help, >>> >>> Dee Shappell >>> >> >> >

Last time I was in Decatur, I made some copies of Messenger abastracts. Some articles are not complete. Are the complete articles available for the period 1880-1910? Dee Shappell

There is an "Ada Miller" in Greenwood 4/3/1875 - 2/7/1923 with the inscription "Mother", she is by herself. Could this be the correct Ada? Meral Davis ----- Original Message ----- From: "David E. Pitts" <pitts-gen-281@sbcglobal.net> To: <TXWISE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 12:36 AM Subject: Re: [TXWISE-L] RL Miller > Looks like Lena York Miller died on Sept 29, 1896. So Dr. R. L. Miller > may very well have remarried in Sept 1897. Attached is a photo of her > headstone in Oaklawn Cemetery, Wise County Texas. I don't find the > headstone of R. L. or Ada, so they may be buried together in another > county. > > I've sent a copy of Lena's headstone to Dee off list. > > I also suggested she ask Rosalee Gregg and her staff to look in the early > Wise county messenger indices about 1896 and 1897 to see if there are any > announcements > pertaining to this question. > > Dave Pitts > Houston TX > > On Sunday, October 10, 2004, at 07:24 PM, dee_sh wrote: > >> Can you tell me if RL Miller h/o Lena May York (Book 3, 292) and RL >> Miller h/o Ada Savage (Book 3, 461) are the same person ? RL Miller is a >> son of Will A Miller and shown in the 1900 census of Wise Co. >> >> Thank you for your help, >> >> Dee Shappell >> > >

Looks like Lena York Miller died on Sept 29, 1896. So Dr. R. L. Miller may very well have remarried in Sept 1897. Attached is a photo of her headstone in Oaklawn Cemetery, Wise County Texas. I don't find the headstone of R. L. or Ada, so they may be buried together in another county. I've sent a copy of Lena's headstone to Dee off list. I also suggested she ask Rosalee Gregg and her staff to look in the early Wise county messenger indices about 1896 and 1897 to see if there are any announcements pertaining to this question. Dave Pitts Houston TX On Sunday, October 10, 2004, at 07:24 PM, dee_sh wrote: > Can you tell me if RL Miller h/o Lena May York (Book 3, 292) and RL > Miller h/o Ada Savage (Book 3, 461) are the same person ? RL Miller > is a son of Will A Miller and shown in the 1900 census of Wise Co. > > Thank you for your help, > > Dee Shappell >

Hi Vera, My bad--I meant DRT, which is Daughters of the Texas Revolution! DART is Dallas Rapid Transit! . -Joanne ----- Original Message ----- From: <kamieljones@webtv.net> To: <TXWISE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 9:26 PM Subject: [TXWISE-L] Just a question, >I know that this may seem dumb, but a Ms. Joanna spoke of DART, just > what is that? > Thanks, > Vera > > >

Dallas Area Rapid Transit system

I know that this may seem dumb, but a Ms. Joanna spoke of DART, just what is that? Thanks, Vera

Researching ALTMAN and TRAMMELL surnames from Wise County. Anyone who would like to correspond, please let me know. Ron Hesdorff tylerfh2000@aol.com San Antonio, TX

Joanne, I don't have anything on WWO Stanfield and would love your sharing your information. Janet

Hi Diana, You are indeed right about history giving the the bare bones some flesh!! I wasn't terribly interested in history in high school, but in college I was lucky enough to have a teacher who brought it to life and made it more interesting--made me lean forward eagerly, waiting for the rest of the story, even though I already knew the facts, or bones of the matter! That story about your ancester would make a GREAT opening line for a book! Then maybe go for a flashback, and....oh well, enough. I still consider tracking the rest of the paperwork to become a member of DRT. I've already got all the correct information and certification, clear up to W.W.O. Stanfield's son, (my great-grandfather), but am too lazy to collect the proof that he IS a son. I'm not really a "meeting" kind of girl, anyway. Oh, by the way--writing down shouldn't make it seem final--editing can go on for infinity!! Write, speculate, edit, embellish!! And keep digging in the genealogical pile! (grin). -Joanne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diana White" <dkwhite@charter.net> To: <TXWISE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 8:43 PM Subject: Re: [TXWISE-L] Stanfield > Hello, again, Joanne, > > The addition of current history in a genealogy gives it meat on the bones. > I taught history for 29 years, so I really do appreciate these things. I > love to research but do not like to do the writing. Writing it down makes > it seem so final, and I always KNOW there is more to be found, if given > enought time. You have found some interesting additions to your family > history. > > One of my ancestor's deaths, in the 1820s, was recorded in the Knoxville > newspaper. He was a circuit riding Methodist preacher and when he returned > home from the circuit, as he opened the door, he was struck by lightening. > To have a story like that really does create interest in a person and his > life. > > My mother liked the novel Moonstone by Wilkie Collins. A Google search > showed that the text is online with a summary of it. > > Walker Pettit was in Shelby County at the time of the R/M War, but I do > not know if he was involved or not. Walker is supposed to be a brother of > Robert, but I wonder if he might be a son of Benjamin Pettit Jr, not Sr. > > I am a member of DRT as a descendant of Robert T. Pettit and Isaac Huston. > Elizabeth was a daughter of Robert and a sister of Mary Ann, wife of > Isaach Huston. I had two wonderful court cases that proved beyond a doubt > the relationships in this family. Elizabeth Pettit was married to a > KUYKENDALL who had daughters named Nancy and Melinda, names used by the > Logan family, and a daughter Caroline, a name of the Kuykendall family. By > time the Melinda Logan Pettit's estate was settled, Nancy was the only one > living. > > Diana > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J.T. DeShong" <jdeshong@nctv.com> > To: <TXWISE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 7:12 PM > Subject: Re: [TXWISE-L] Stanfield > > >> Hi Diana, >> You are SO right! >> One of the things I did do, while I was researching, was to find history >> to go along with the time lines I was following--not only the Texas >> Revolution, but years of drought, or depression, national issues going on >> at the same time, how the Regulator/Modulator war might have affected the >> family, Indian wars--or peace, and what they were wearing and eating! I >> discovered several antedotes about a plague of grasshoppers that swarmed >> over North Texas, and all about the sated chickens, and what things >> people did about the grasshoppers. >> >> I also found out about something called "moonstones", a cure >> for--what?--I don't remember at the moment, but it was an absurd, >> hopeless cure. I read about a little boy who was killed by a rattlesnake >> when he reached under his bed for his ball. One of the most memorable >> true stories was one of an Indian massacre in or near Wise county--a >> woman was scalped, but didn't die right away. She described to her >> caretakers that being scalped "sounded like a cow pulling its foot from >> the mud". One of the most fascinating things I learned, while >> researching at the Texas State Archives was that the author Cormac >> McCarthy, who wrote (among others) "Blood Meridian", did extensive >> research, and several of his characters were based on real people, using >> events that actually happened. >> >> Putting the people in their own history helps to bring them more alive. >> The logic, observations, and speculations you used to conclude Elizabeth >> was married to Granville may not have documentation, but except for using >> it to get into DART, it's a proof of its own. >> >> The hardest part I found about writing a book is that it is an intensely >> solitary activity, filled with mind-searching and grunting that doesn't >> appreciate interruption! And I just don't seem to be geared for >> solitude!! >> But if we all would just write down not only what we know about these >> people, but our pretty accurate speculations, too, imagine what a gift it >> would be to our descendants who run across all that treasure!! >> >> Sorry--as you can see once in a while the keyboard can still kidnap me! >> -Joanne >> www.jdeshong.com >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Diana White" <dkwhite@charter.net> >> To: <TXWISE-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 6:18 PM >> Subject: Re: [TXWISE-L] Stanfield >> >> >>> Joanne, >>> >>> I am not laughing - we all need to write a book or at least a short >>> manuscript with our research and conclusions. It is the one thing most >>> of us put off doing. >>> >>> Eighto or so years ago, I wrote about one of my observations. It was >>> about 8 pages putting forth the reasons and documents that led to the >>> conclusion that Elizabeth Petitt, the daugther of Robert and Melinda >>> Logan Pettit, was the wife of Granville Kuykendall. I had census, land >>> records, probate records, etc that pointed to that. However, there is >>> not a marriage license or any docuement with both of their names on it. >>> >>> She died in about 1846-47, so she was not on the 1850 census. >>> >>> If we did that on every question, we would have a record of our work. >>> >>> Diana >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "J.T. DeShong" <jdeshong@nctv.com> >>> To: <TXWISE-L@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 2:05 PM >>> Subject: Re: [TXWISE-L] Stanfield >>> >>> >>>> Hi Diana, >>>> About 5 years ago, I was digging everywhere, and may have seen at least >>>> one of those sites. I'm going to have to go back and take another >>>> look, though! I think I'm about ready to delve in again! >>>> I had been planning a book (go ahead, laugh--I do!!) about this >>>> ancestor, but somewhere along the way, I discovered two half-sisters of >>>> mine, which sort of blew me out of the water, and I abandoned my search >>>> for W.W.O. until just a few weeks ago. >>>> Thank you for Googling W.W.O.--I used to do that from time to time, and >>>> found the results for a Masonic lodge and that was about it! Thanks >>>> for letting me know there's more now!! >>>> I really, really appreciate your message! >>>> -Joanne >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Diana White" <dkwhite@charter.net> >>>> To: <TXWISE-L@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 11:29 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [TXWISE-L] Stanfield >>>> >>>> >>>>> Joanne, I am sure you have seen these, since I did a Google search on >>>>> WWO Stanfield and found your extensive research there. Diana >>>>> >>>>> http://www2.tsl.state.tx.us/trail/RepublicResults.jsp >>>>> >>>>> Check out this site for more information on WWO Stanfield. >>>>> http://www.lib.utexas.edu/taro/utcah/00286/cah-00286.html >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Obituary for THOMAS LIDDLE STANFIELD, son of W.W.O. Stanfield >>>>> >>>>> (Newspaper clipping from a Terrell, Texas newspaper) >>>>> >>>>> "Captain Stanfield No More-Old Time Citizen Dies Suddenly from Heart >>>>> Failure >>>>> >>>>> With the drifting out of the last sands of the year 1910 there passed >>>>> away one of the oldest citizens of Terrell, Captain Thomas L. >>>>> Stanfield, whose death occurred about 10:30 Friday night. It is >>>>> presumed that death was the result of heart failure. Thursday Captain >>>>> Stanfield spent in Dallas attending to some business, returning on the >>>>> first train in the evening. He retired at about his usual hour >>>>> seemingly in good health (unclear for a few lines) while spent with >>>>> him, he seemed to be at ease again and his family retired shortly >>>>> after to be again aroused when they found the husband and father >>>>> breathing his last. A physician was quickly summoned, but it was to no >>>>> avail (unclear few words). >>>>> >>>>> News of the unexpected death quickly spread this morning and was the >>>>> theme of universal comment, coming as it did with no warning whatever >>>>> to his friends who just the day before saw him in his usual good >>>>> health. >>>>> >>>>> The funeral services are announced to take place Sunday afternoon at 2 >>>>> o'clock under the auspices of the local Masonic Lodge. The >>>>> organization will gather at the residence at 906 West Grove Street and >>>>> will go from there to the Presbyterian church where the services will >>>>> be held, internment following in Oakland cemetery. >>>>> >>>>> Biographical- >>>>> >>>>> Captain Stanfield had enjoyed the distinction of (unclear) >>>>> practitioner in the profession in Kaufman County. His father was born >>>>> in Virginia and his mother in England, and were married in Texas, >>>>> where he first saw the light of day. He lived in Texas from the time >>>>> of his birth, consequently under every flag that has floated over >>>>> Texas since the declaration of independence from Mexico. >>>>> >>>>> A lawyer by profession, he was universally regarded as being a safe >>>>> counselor and of good legal judgment, and made a specialty of land law >>>>> and the perfecting of land titles. Conservative in his counsel, he >>>>> never involved his clients in litigation without at least a fair >>>>> prospect of success, hence the dockets show the successful termination >>>>> of a large majority of his cases. >>>>> >>>>> He at one time held the office of district clerk of Jack County and >>>>> was the first attorney of Wise County under the constitution of 1868, >>>>> which office he held until he was removed by the reconstruction acts. >>>>> He was at the first election thereafter elected to the office of >>>>> presiding justice. He was the first attorney of Rockwall County, >>>>> holding the office several terms and finally resigned to take the >>>>> office of County Judge, which he resigned in 1882, before moving to >>>>> Terrell, where he located Dec. 25, 1882. He held office in Rockwall >>>>> County during his entire residence in the county without ever having >>>>> to become a candidate. >>>>> >>>>> Captain Stanfield took a lively interest in educational matters and >>>>> served several terms as a member of the Terrell school board. >>>>> Prominent in Masonic circles he for many years held the office >>>>> ofdistrict deputy grand master and was holding the office of grand >>>>> visitor for the grand Royal Arch Chapter at the time of his death." >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Diana >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > >

Hello, again, Joanne, The addition of current history in a genealogy gives it meat on the bones. I taught history for 29 years, so I really do appreciate these things. I love to research but do not like to do the writing. Writing it down makes it seem so final, and I always KNOW there is more to be found, if given enought time. You have found some interesting additions to your family history. One of my ancestor's deaths, in the 1820s, was recorded in the Knoxville newspaper. He was a circuit riding Methodist preacher and when he returned home from the circuit, as he opened the door, he was struck by lightening. To have a story like that really does create interest in a person and his life. My mother liked the novel Moonstone by Wilkie Collins. A Google search showed that the text is online with a summary of it. Walker Pettit was in Shelby County at the time of the R/M War, but I do not know if he was involved or not. Walker is supposed to be a brother of Robert, but I wonder if he might be a son of Benjamin Pettit Jr, not Sr. I am a member of DRT as a descendant of Robert T. Pettit and Isaac Huston. Elizabeth was a daughter of Robert and a sister of Mary Ann, wife of Isaach Huston. I had two wonderful court cases that proved beyond a doubt the relationships in this family. Elizabeth Pettit was married to a KUYKENDALL who had daughters named Nancy and Melinda, names used by the Logan family, and a daughter Caroline, a name of the Kuykendall family. By time the Melinda Logan Pettit's estate was settled, Nancy was the only one living. Diana ----- Original Message ----- From: "J.T. DeShong" <jdeshong@nctv.com> To: <TXWISE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 7:12 PM Subject: Re: [TXWISE-L] Stanfield > Hi Diana, > You are SO right! > One of the things I did do, while I was researching, was to find history > to go along with the time lines I was following--not only the Texas > Revolution, but years of drought, or depression, national issues going on > at the same time, how the Regulator/Modulator war might have affected the > family, Indian wars--or peace, and what they were wearing and eating! I > discovered several antedotes about a plague of grasshoppers that swarmed > over North Texas, and all about the sated chickens, and what things people > did about the grasshoppers. > > I also found out about something called "moonstones", a cure for--what?--I > don't remember at the moment, but it was an absurd, hopeless cure. I read > about a little boy who was killed by a rattlesnake when he reached under > his bed for his ball. One of the most memorable true stories was one of > an Indian massacre in or near Wise county--a woman was scalped, but didn't > die right away. She described to her caretakers that being scalped > "sounded like a cow pulling its foot from the mud". One of the most > fascinating things I learned, while researching at the Texas State > Archives was that the author Cormac McCarthy, who wrote (among others) > "Blood Meridian", did extensive research, and several of his characters > were based on real people, using events that actually happened. > > Putting the people in their own history helps to bring them more alive. > The logic, observations, and speculations you used to conclude Elizabeth > was married to Granville may not have documentation, but except for using > it to get into DART, it's a proof of its own. > > The hardest part I found about writing a book is that it is an intensely > solitary activity, filled with mind-searching and grunting that doesn't > appreciate interruption! And I just don't seem to be geared for > solitude!! > But if we all would just write down not only what we know about these > people, but our pretty accurate speculations, too, imagine what a gift it > would be to our descendants who run across all that treasure!! > > Sorry--as you can see once in a while the keyboard can still kidnap me! > -Joanne > www.jdeshong.com > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Diana White" <dkwhite@charter.net> > To: <TXWISE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 6:18 PM > Subject: Re: [TXWISE-L] Stanfield > > >> Joanne, >> >> I am not laughing - we all need to write a book or at least a short >> manuscript with our research and conclusions. It is the one thing most of >> us put off doing. >> >> Eighto or so years ago, I wrote about one of my observations. It was >> about 8 pages putting forth the reasons and documents that led to the >> conclusion that Elizabeth Petitt, the daugther of Robert and Melinda >> Logan Pettit, was the wife of Granville Kuykendall. I had census, land >> records, probate records, etc that pointed to that. However, there is not >> a marriage license or any docuement with both of their names on it. >> >> She died in about 1846-47, so she was not on the 1850 census. >> >> If we did that on every question, we would have a record of our work. >> >> Diana >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "J.T. DeShong" <jdeshong@nctv.com> >> To: <TXWISE-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 2:05 PM >> Subject: Re: [TXWISE-L] Stanfield >> >> >>> Hi Diana, >>> About 5 years ago, I was digging everywhere, and may have seen at least >>> one of those sites. I'm going to have to go back and take another look, >>> though! I think I'm about ready to delve in again! >>> I had been planning a book (go ahead, laugh--I do!!) about this >>> ancestor, but somewhere along the way, I discovered two half-sisters of >>> mine, which sort of blew me out of the water, and I abandoned my search >>> for W.W.O. until just a few weeks ago. >>> Thank you for Googling W.W.O.--I used to do that from time to time, and >>> found the results for a Masonic lodge and that was about it! Thanks for >>> letting me know there's more now!! >>> I really, really appreciate your message! >>> -Joanne >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Diana White" <dkwhite@charter.net> >>> To: <TXWISE-L@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 11:29 AM >>> Subject: Re: [TXWISE-L] Stanfield >>> >>> >>>> Joanne, I am sure you have seen these, since I did a Google search on >>>> WWO Stanfield and found your extensive research there. Diana >>>> >>>> http://www2.tsl.state.tx.us/trail/RepublicResults.jsp >>>> >>>> Check out this site for more information on WWO Stanfield. >>>> http://www.lib.utexas.edu/taro/utcah/00286/cah-00286.html >>>> >>>> >>>> Obituary for THOMAS LIDDLE STANFIELD, son of W.W.O. Stanfield >>>> >>>> (Newspaper clipping from a Terrell, Texas newspaper) >>>> >>>> "Captain Stanfield No More-Old Time Citizen Dies Suddenly from Heart >>>> Failure >>>> >>>> With the drifting out of the last sands of the year 1910 there passed >>>> away one of the oldest citizens of Terrell, Captain Thomas L. >>>> Stanfield, whose death occurred about 10:30 Friday night. It is >>>> presumed that death was the result of heart failure. Thursday Captain >>>> Stanfield spent in Dallas attending to some business, returning on the >>>> first train in the evening. He retired at about his usual hour >>>> seemingly in good health (unclear for a few lines) while spent with >>>> him, he seemed to be at ease again and his family retired shortly after >>>> to be again aroused when they found the husband and father breathing >>>> his last. A physician was quickly summoned, but it was to no avail >>>> (unclear few words). >>>> >>>> News of the unexpected death quickly spread this morning and was the >>>> theme of universal comment, coming as it did with no warning whatever >>>> to his friends who just the day before saw him in his usual good >>>> health. >>>> >>>> The funeral services are announced to take place Sunday afternoon at 2 >>>> o'clock under the auspices of the local Masonic Lodge. The organization >>>> will gather at the residence at 906 West Grove Street and will go from >>>> there to the Presbyterian church where the services will be held, >>>> internment following in Oakland cemetery. >>>> >>>> Biographical- >>>> >>>> Captain Stanfield had enjoyed the distinction of (unclear) practitioner >>>> in the profession in Kaufman County. His father was born in Virginia >>>> and his mother in England, and were married in Texas, where he first >>>> saw the light of day. He lived in Texas from the time of his birth, >>>> consequently under every flag that has floated over Texas since the >>>> declaration of independence from Mexico. >>>> >>>> A lawyer by profession, he was universally regarded as being a safe >>>> counselor and of good legal judgment, and made a specialty of land law >>>> and the perfecting of land titles. Conservative in his counsel, he >>>> never involved his clients in litigation without at least a fair >>>> prospect of success, hence the dockets show the successful termination >>>> of a large majority of his cases. >>>> >>>> He at one time held the office of district clerk of Jack County and was >>>> the first attorney of Wise County under the constitution of 1868, which >>>> office he held until he was removed by the reconstruction acts. He was >>>> at the first election thereafter elected to the office of presiding >>>> justice. He was the first attorney of Rockwall County, holding the >>>> office several terms and finally resigned to take the office of County >>>> Judge, which he resigned in 1882, before moving to Terrell, where he >>>> located Dec. 25, 1882. He held office in Rockwall County during his >>>> entire residence in the county without ever having to become a >>>> candidate. >>>> >>>> Captain Stanfield took a lively interest in educational matters and >>>> served several terms as a member of the Terrell school board. Prominent >>>> in Masonic circles he for many years held the office ofdistrict deputy >>>> grand master and was holding the office of grand visitor for the grand >>>> Royal Arch Chapter at the time of his death." >>>> >>>> >>>> Diana >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > >

Texas birth records were not required until 1903. Wanda in Seymour in the great State of Texas, USA! kamieljones@webtv.net wrote: > I need a lookup for the birth of Grover Carl Jones born 1892 June 16, I > know he was born near Alvord, his parents were Johnny Jackson Jones > (John J Jones) and Mary E. Stevensons Jones. > Thank You > Vera Jones

Can you tell me if RL Miller h/o Lena May York (Book 3, 292) and RL Miller h/o Ada Savage (Book 3, 461) are the same person ? RL Miller is a son of Will A Miller and shown in the 1900 census of Wise Co. Thank you for your help, Dee Shappell

They must not have been required in 1928 - or at least not enforced. I was born in Alba, TX and when I first needed a birth certificate for something - not sure what, I found that my parents did not have one. Fortunately, the doctor who delivered me was still living. So we had him write one and register it in Quitman (county seat). My parents had to give him all the details, because he had no records. T. L. Bridges CA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wanda Irby" <wanda@cst.net> To: <TXWISE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 8:40 AM Subject: Re: [TXWISE-L] Grover Carl Jones > Texas birth records were not required until 1903. > Wanda in Seymour in the great State of Texas, USA! > > kamieljones@webtv.net wrote: > > > I need a lookup for the birth of Grover Carl Jones born 1892 June 16, I > > know he was born near Alvord, his parents were Johnny Jackson Jones > > (John J Jones) and Mary E. Stevensons Jones. > > Thank You > > Vera Jones > >