What Allens are you looking for in Arkansas? Mike Allen -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Delilah Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 11:24 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [TXWISE] surnames I am looking for info on the names BURRICK, ALLEN, TURNER, VAN METER - some of these are buried at the Old Center Cemetery in AR. The counties I am interested in are Bowie Cty., TX., Sevier Cty., TX, Wise Cty. delilah evans ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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Yes, John Tackel's second marriage was to Pauline Lehmberg. One of their 2 children was my husband's grandfather, Albert Tackel. These people were part of the German community that was southwest of Bridgeport (the house was where the "tiger farm" is now). Royce Raven has done research on this German community. He has a great Power Point presentation that he gave at one of the recent Wise County Historical Society meetings. I know we would love to see the things you found. I'll try to call you at home. Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wise County Heritage Museum" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 2:21 PM Subject: [TXWISE] Lemberb-Tackle > This message is directed to Sue Tackle; > > Hi Sue, > We are at the Wise County Heritage Museum. Matt Nelson found a lot of > Deeds, tax pmts et cetera in a trunk that had been discarded in South > Central Hurst. > > We have found the names signed as Lehmberg, Eberhard Paul and Pauline > Tackle. > > I found the marriage license here in the archives. They are listed as > Lehruberg, Pauline & Techel, John married 4-17-1889. > > Are these your relatives? Would you be interested in having these > documents or would it be better to donate them to the Wise County > Historical Society? > > Matt is looking through the Wise County, Information engraved on > headstones. He found, John Tackle, Sr., b. Sept. 23, 1846 d. May 20, > 1926. > > My name is Theresa Weddell. I am a member of the Wise County Gen. > Society. > > Matt's mother works for my husband. Matt told me about finding all of > these documents so I brought him here to see if we could find out anything > about these documents. > > Contact Matt Nelson, 817-284-2812,home mother, Laura Colgan, cell > phone # 817-987-7296. > > Thanks Matt Nelson (Theresa) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

This message is directed to Sue Tackle; Hi Sue, We are at the Wise County Heritage Museum. Matt Nelson found a lot of Deeds, tax pmts et cetera in a trunk that had been discarded in South Central Hurst. We have found the names signed as Lehmberg, Eberhard Paul and Pauline Tackle. I found the marriage license here in the archives. They are listed as Lehruberg, Pauline & Techel, John married 4-17-1889. Are these your relatives? Would you be interested in having these documents or would it be better to donate them to the Wise County Historical Society? Matt is looking through the Wise County, Information engraved on headstones. He found, John Tackle, Sr., b. Sept. 23, 1846 d. May 20, 1926. My name is Theresa Weddell. I am a member of the Wise County Gen. Society. Matt's mother works for my husband. Matt told me about finding all of these documents so I brought him here to see if we could find out anything about these documents. Contact Matt Nelson, 817-284-2812,home mother, Laura Colgan, cell phone # 817-987-7296. Thanks Matt Nelson (Theresa)

Sue, It would be great to see these documents. I am in Red River for the summer so if you can get them that would be great. John Tackel was my great grandfather on my mother's side. When the Tackel's were in Germany they spelled their name Techel and changed it to Tackel when they got to the US. Why they changed the spelling, I don't know. Theresa, thanks for contacting Sue with this information. Royce Raven ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Tackel" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Cc: "R Royce Raven" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 1:46 PM Subject: Re: [TXWISE] Lemberb-Tackle > Yes, John Tackel's second marriage was to Pauline Lehmberg. One of > their 2 children was my husband's grandfather, Albert Tackel. > These people were part of the German community that was southwest of > Bridgeport (the house was where the "tiger farm" is now). Royce Raven has > done research on this German community. He has a great Power Point > presentation that he gave at one of the recent Wise County Historical > Society meetings. > I know we would love to see the things you found. I'll try to call you > at home. > Sue > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wise County Heritage Museum" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 2:21 PM > Subject: [TXWISE] Lemberb-Tackle > > >> This message is directed to Sue Tackle; >> >> Hi Sue, >> We are at the Wise County Heritage Museum. Matt Nelson found a lot of >> Deeds, tax pmts et cetera in a trunk that had been discarded in South >> Central Hurst. >> >> We have found the names signed as Lehmberg, Eberhard Paul and Pauline >> Tackle. >> >> I found the marriage license here in the archives. They are listed as >> Lehruberg, Pauline & Techel, John married 4-17-1889. >> >> Are these your relatives? Would you be interested in having these >> documents or would it be better to donate them to the Wise County >> Historical Society? >> >> Matt is looking through the Wise County, Information engraved on >> headstones. He found, John Tackle, Sr., b. Sept. 23, 1846 d. May 20, >> 1926. >> >> My name is Theresa Weddell. I am a member of the Wise County Gen. >> Society. >> >> Matt's mother works for my husband. Matt told me about finding all of >> these documents so I brought him here to see if we could find out >> anything about these documents. >> >> Contact Matt Nelson, 817-284-2812,home mother, Laura Colgan, cell >> phone # 817-987-7296. >> >> Thanks Matt Nelson (Theresa) >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

In a message dated 6/20/2007 5:09:22 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Be sure your windows are locked securely at night. The police came by our north Bridgeport neighborhood today and gave us that warning. Four houses have been entered at night in our neighborhood, while occupants are sleeping, and stolen from them. No violence in connection with the break-ins was reported. Sounds like it is time for a few shotguns... and a good watch dog! ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Folks, Be sure your windows are locked securely at night. The police came by our north Bridgeport neighborhood today and gave us that warning. Four houses have been entered at night in our neighborhood, while occupants are sleeping, and stolen from them. No violence in connection with the break-ins was reported. La Darla ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Peggy Krause" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 7:09 PM Subject: RE: funeral record H65-047 > Oh my gosh! I wish every county would do what you have done!! I went > from no information for James to the most information! I did not have his > wife's name or his children's names. The best part of it all, I didn't > have to wait 6 weeks or so to get it from the state! I truly can't thank > you and your site enough for posting your information. You are doing a > wonderful service for all of us that are in search of our loved ones! > > Thanks again for the headstone photo and funeral records ! I am beside > myself with joy :D > > Peggy > >>From: "Sue Tackel" <[email protected]> >>To: <[email protected]> >>Subject: funeral record H65-047 >>Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 09:58:40 -0500 ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

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I have a subscription to Ancestry.com and I have had better luck with their census index and images than with the free ones with Heritage Quest I get through my local library membership. When it comes to other information though, I've found more through the LDS site. I suspect their indexes will be equal or superior to those at Ancestry.com. The LDS folk always seem to be at the forefront. Carol Cantrell -------------- Original message -------------- From: "David E. Pitts" <[email protected]> > The Family History Library is in the process of making their own census > index which will be free to the public. I'm sure Ancestry didn't like > that idea. > > Anyone who is interested should visit > http://www.familysearchindexing.org/en/index.jsp . > > David Pitts > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

But we must remember that none of the censuses were taken with the precision that this article seems to presume. There were many variables that caused variances in the census records. Just some of them to remember: 1. Not all the census takers followed directions correctly. 2. Not all the reporting family members understood the questions correctly. 3. Not everyone answered the questions correctly. 4. On occasion some information might even come from neighbors. 5. Many other factors influenced the data. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 5:44 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [TXWISE] FYI (from another list) CENSUS INFORMATION "THE CENSUS DAY," by William Dollarhide No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.0/853 - Release Date: 6/18/2007 3:02 PM

A good thing to remember is, if you don't find what you are looking for in one index, try the others available. Names, ages, etc., are sometimes recorded differently from index to index. The writing is often so difficult to read. One index just might provide the info or clue you need. LDS indexes will provide yet another valuable (free) tool for researchers! Sheryl McNeely Shaw [email protected]

The Family History Library is in the process of making their own census index which will be free to the public. I'm sure Ancestry didn't like that idea. Anyone who is interested should visit http://www.familysearchindexing.org/en/index.jsp . David Pitts

"THE CENSUS DAY," by William Dollarhide If you are a genealogist, you are an avid user of the federal censuses, 1790-1930. But even experienced census users may not know about some of the obscure aspects of the censuses. Here's one of them. It's called the "census day." Beginning with the 1790 federal census--and continuing with every census thereafter--each enabling law authorized by Congress specified a "census day" for gathering the census information from every household in America. From 1790 to 1820 the census day was the first Monday in August. The census day was NOT the day the enumerator arrived at a household; it was the day for which all the statistics of the census were collected. The actual instructions given to all the U.S. Marshals right before the 1820 census explains: "All the questions refer to the day when the enumeration is to commence, the first Monday in August next. Your assistants will thereby understand that they are to insert in their returns all the persons belonging to the family on the first Monday in August, even those who may be deceased at the time when they take the account; and, on the other hand, that they will not include in it infants born after that day." Similar instructions have been given for every census since 1790, but with different census days. The table below shows the census day for each census, 1790-1930, and the time allowed to take the census: Census Year / Census Day / Time Allowed 1790 / 2 August / 9 months 1800 / 4 August / 9 months 1810 / 6 August / 10 months 1820 / 7 August / 13 months 1830 / 1 June / 12 months 1840 / 1 June / 18 months 1850 / 1 June / 5 months 1860 / 1 June / 5 months 1870/ 1 June / 5 months 1880 / 1 June/ 1 month 1890 / 1 June / 1 month 1900 / 1 June / 1 month 1910 / 15 April / 1 month 1920 / 1 January / 1 month 1930 / 1 April / 1 month 1820 & 1830 Census Day Differences: On the above table, note that the census day changed from the first Monday in August in 1820 to the first day of June in 1830. If one is researching families appearing in the 1820 and 1830 censuses, looking at these families again may be important. Since the census days for 1820 and 1830 are not exactly 10 years apart, the two-month difference may reveal some surprising results. For example, if a person were born between 1 June 1820 and 7 August 1820, that child would appear in the 1820 census in the "under 10" age category. But in 1830, that same person would appear in the "of 5 and under 10" rather than the "of 10 and under 15" age category, since the person had not yet turned 10. The age category for anyone born between 1 June and 7 August in any year would be affected by this reporting change between 1820 and 1830. Comparing the 1820 age categories for a person appearing 10 years later and not in the "correct" age category may actually give a clue to a person's date of birth within a two-month period. Time Allowed to Take a Census: On the table above, note the time allowed to take each census. All of the states complied with this provision, except South Carolina in 1790. South Carolina could not complete its 1790 enumeration in nine months. The U.S. Marshal complained that he was having great difficulty finding people to take the job because of resistance to the census being taken. A Charleston jury met to decide the fate of six persons who had "refused to render an account of persons in their households as required by the census act." A South Carolina census taker was brought on trial for neglect of duty. He did not complete the census in his district. These and other problems led to South Carolina being granted an extension and the census returns were dated 5 February 1792, a full 18 months after the census day. Differing Census Days: In a couple of cases, there have been census days assigned to certain states that were different from the rest of the U.S. for that year. When Vermont entered the Union as the 14th state in 1791, the 1790 census was already underway. Vermont's 1790 census was taken with a census day of the first Monday in April 1791, with five months allowed to take the census there. Utah, which became a territory in September 1851, had its 1850 census taken with a census day of 1 April 1851. But the dates on the Utah census pages are mostly in October 1851. Thus, the 1851 census enumerators probably asked Utahans questions like, "Six months ago, back on April 1st, who was the head of this household?" Census Day Versus Enumeration Date: Genealogists should record two dates when copying information from the censuses: the census day and the enumeration date. No matter how many months it took for an enumerator to reach a house, he was supposed to gather the information as if time had stopped on the census day. Every person whose regular abode was in a particular household on the census day was to be enumerated, even if a person was away at the time of the enumeration. Understanding the impact of the census day versus the enumeration date may explain why certain people appear in a census listing, even though you have other evidence to show the person died before the household was enumerated. If a person was alive on the census day, that person was to be included--even if it took some time for the enumerator to get around to that house to take the census. The person could have been dead for several months. Or, you may wonder why that youngest child in a family was not listed in a census. If a child were born after the census day, that child was not to be included--even if the census taker had visited the house and was aware of a playful little toddler crawling around in front of him. Now, some of you will want to go back to all of those census lists you have copied down and confirm the date of enumeration AND the census day. Any missing people? Any extra people? Good census hunting! 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I notice your first name is Lafon.. I had a friend when I was growing up in Wichita Falls, Texas named Mary LaFon Hall. Her mother's name was Mamie and her father's name was Tom Hall. Are you her? I have been looking for her for quite some time and I think she lives in the Decatur area. My husband is into the genealogy thing and talks with a lot of people, but when I saw the name Lafon, it is such an unusual name and I had never heard it before I knew her. Thanks for your reply. Susan Stice (Lloyd) [email protected] ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

LaFon, just go to familysearch.org and click on the "Library" tab. Julie ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Lafon, I was hoping that the shortcut would work, but evidently not. You probably have to go in through the main page. http://www.familysearch.org/ Then click on "Library" Then click on "Family History Library Catalog" Then click on "place search" Then enter "Wise" (NOT WISE COUNTY) Then enter "Texas" and press return then click on "Texas,Wise" After you have done it a few times it doesn't seem so difficult. David Pitts Houston TX

In a message dated 6/16/2007 4:47:54 AM Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/ supermainframeset.asp?display=localitydetails&subject=194063&subject_dis p=Texas%2C+Wise&columns=*,0,0 David, when I put this into my browser, it gave me a message that the page no longer exists. LaFon Commander ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Ellie, No I don't think that they have imaged any newspapers from Wise County. You can see what can be ordered for Wise Co. through your FHC at: http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/ supermainframeset.asp?display=localitydetails&subject=194063&subject_dis p=Texas%2C+Wise&columns=*,0,0 I didn't see anything about any newspapers. David On Friday, June 15, 2007, at 08:25 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > In a message dated 6/15/2007 5:44:15 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Ellie, > I think the Wise county Historical Society has microfilm of many of > the early years, but I don't think there is an index after 1910, so > you will have to read each issue. > David > > > I wonder if the FHC has microfilmed those? Do you know? What a neat > thing > that would be to do... :))) > > Thanks so much! > Ellie > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

In a message dated 6/15/2007 5:44:15 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Ellie, I think the Wise county Historical Society has microfilm of many of the early years, but I don't think there is an index after 1910, so you will have to read each issue. David I wonder if the FHC has microfilmed those? Do you know? What a neat thing that would be to do... :))) Thanks so much! Ellie ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.