Nice Article! I'll keep a copy and putit in the Whitmire Library. KC ------------------------------

Hey Tyler County Rooter! Did anyone happen to catch the Re-Inactment of the battle of Shiloh over in Kountz today? I was in a mojor hurray and saw them as I passed. Looked like fun. If anybody saw please let us know about it! KC ------------------------------

Hello everybody, I'll begin by posting an article from the "Kountz Times" dated 13 June 1896. Then I'll tell you about the people. KOUNTZ TIMES, (newspaper) 13 June 1896 OLD TROUBLES REVIVED Pitched Battle Fought in Court House in Woodville TWO OF HUMBLES WOUNDED The affray [?] grew out of the Assas....(could not read) of Ferguson's brother and occurred during noon recess. Beaumont, Texas, June 8th, between 12 and 1 o'clock today at the court house in Woodville, Tyler County, a battle with pistols took place between Ped Ferguson and friends of Nona [sic] on one side and the Humble family and friends of Hardin county on the other, with the results that Bill Humble is fatally [sic] and old man Humble seriously wounded, and Ples Humble has a bullet hole through one of his legs. The shooting is the second act of a tragedy, the first set of which took place at Kountz, Hardin County, in October 1894, the dead body of Mr. Lewis Ferguson, a prosperous merchant of Kountz, was found in the middle of public highway a few miles from that town. The body gave evidence of assignation of murder and Ples and Sam Humble, two brothers, were immediately arrested for the crime. The two men were brought to Beaumont the same afternoon and that night were taken to Houston for safe keeping. While in Harris County jail, Sam Humble confessed to murdering Ferguson. The confession being published in the Post. In substance it set forth that Sam Humble and Ferguson had a fight in a saloon 12 o'clock Monday night, and at 1 o'clock Humble met Ferguson in the road and shot him dead. The Humble boys were brought back to Kountz for trial, but Judge Hightower transferred the case to Woodville, in Tyler County, Judge West's district. At the first trial of the case in Woodville, which was several months ago, a jury acquitted Pleas Humble. Sam Humble was found guilty of manslaughter, or murder in the second degree, and sentenced to five years in the penitentiary;, but he was granted a new trial by Judge West. District court convened in Woodville, this morning and the case against Sam Humble was again called, and following is the story of the shooting which followed, as told the Post correspondent by a gentleman who came down from Woodville on the train this afternoon. "The Fergusons and their friends and the Humbles and their friends [were]in the room when court convened this morning" said the gentleman, "and old man Humble several times made bragging remarks to Ped Ferguson, a brother of the murdered man. At 12 O'clock court adjourned for dinner. Both crowds started down stairs and just as they reached the north door Ped Ferguson made some sort of a remark to old man Humble. A shot was fired, followed by a regular fulisade [?] from both sides and when the smoke cleared away none of the Humbles and their friends could be .....except old man Humble and Will, the youngest son. The old man had been twice shot through the hips and the right leg. Will had been shot through the body. It is not thought that he will live and the wound in the old man's hip is regarded as serious. Pleas Humble was wounded in one of his legs, but it was not sufficiently serious to impede his flight. When the shooting began Sheriff Enlo was at the jail, where he had accompanied Sam Humble from the court house. But the officer hurried back to the scene and disarmed every man he ..... around. When the train left several arrests had been made and the understanding was that preliminary examinations were to be had immediately. It is understood that in the affray between forty and fifty shots were fired." The trial of Sam Humble has been postponed until next Monday--The Houston Post reports. From a disinterested eye witness the Ferguson-Humble shooting affray [?] in Woodville last Monday, we gathered the following facts connect[ed] with it: After the adjournment of court at noon Ped Ferguson and Jim Humble were coming down the stairs when Humble made an insulting remark about the Fergusons to which Ped made some reply. Where upon Humble drew his pistol and begun firing. Ped Ferguson began to return the fire as soon as he could get his pistol from his pocket. By this time Humble had been reinforced by his two boys, Pleas, and Bill and Mr. Lyon ex-sheriff of this county and several of Ferguson's friends had rallied to his support. Then the fun commenced in "dead-Ernest." There was at least thirty shots fired before Sheriff Enloe and his deputies arrived at the scene of action. When the smoke of battle had cleared away Jim and Bill Humble were found to be seriously wounded, when Pleas and Mr.Lyons, had evidently made themselves conspicuous by their absence as neither could be found for some time. In an hour or two afterwards Pleas was found about half a mile from town with a slight gun wound in the leg, while Mr. Lyons had not been heard of since. Ferguson and his friends came out without an injury. J.B. Hooks, Ped Ferguson and Capt. H.A. Hooks were arrested and their bounds fixed at $300 each which they readily gave. Complaint was also made against the ex-sheriff but up to this writing he has managed to evade the officers. This trouble grew out of the murder of Lewis Ferguson by Pleas and Sam Humble more than a year ago. They were indited here, but their cases were removed to Tyler County on a change of Venue when they were tried last December, and Pleas was acquitted and Sam convicted of murder in the second degree and given only 5 years in the State Prison. Since that time the Humbles have made many threats against the friends and relatives of Ferguson. The trouble at Woodville was the result of an attempt to carry these threats into execution. When the shooting commenced, Sheriff Roberts of this county was up in the court room talking to attachel [?] witnesses and came down as soon as possible to assist Sheriff Enloe in quieting the disturbance. That is a correct statement of the fact - -- the case and any contradictory statement is a base fabrication originating in the mind of some designing person who either desires to injure some one or to further his own selfish interest. (End of newspaper account) I can't make out whether this article was from the Kountze paper directly or from a Beaumont or a Houston paper. In fact, it might be more than one article. Note that the gufight at the courthouse took place in Woodville. Old man Jim Humble was James Knighton Humble. Jim was a son of Jacob C. (probably Courtney) Humble who was a son of Peter Humble, my 3rd great grandfather. So, Jim was my1st cousin 3 times removed. Jacob C. went to Texas from Catahoula Parish with his brother Isham, my 2d great grandfather. Jim was a Confederate veteran. He served in the "Orange Greys" and in Co. K 13th Regiment, Texas Cavalry. He died on January 1, 1923 at the home of his son S.D. Humble, who might be the Sam referred to in the article. As a matter of interest, Pleasant Smith Humble was another son of Jacob C. Humble. Pleasant was the man who owned the store from which the name of the town of Humble, Texas was derived. Or so it's said. Jim also named one of his sons Pleasant. By the time of this incident my line of Humbles had gone on to West Texas. I wonder what their thoughts were when word of this incident, and the previous killing, reached them. They were strong Baptists. The lady who gave me this article had not done any further research on it. I'd like to know anything anyone might know about the availability of newspaper archives, court records, and the like which might help me to develop a little story about it. Even though they're not in my direct line, this is about the most interesting event I've come across related to the Humbles. Too bad it's about violence and manslaughter. But, it was 100+ years ago, and all of us present day Humbles are sweet, non-violent people :-). Thanks and best regards to all, Bob Humble ------------------------------

Tyler County Rooters, We may be new, we may be still small, but already we're acting like a little family, helping one another. I've been doing family research 23 years and there's one thing you learn with this "hobby". We are all "newbie's" because there is always something we don't know, didn't think about, some source we don't even know exists. Thanks to Janey for thinking about a work-around for the lost census period and thanks to all of you that have already sent in your introductions. Through those introductions I have already found a couple of "cousins". In Tyler Co., you're most likely either kin, or at least kin to someone who's kin. One source that comes to mind for all Tyler County Researchers is the Whitmire Library in the Heritage Village at Woodville. Because Tyler County doesn't have a genealogical society (yet) a lot of people don't realize how much information is really available. I spoke to Carol Phillips, who is in charge of the Library tonight and we are going to work toward a listing of what is available, maybe even a Heritage Village Page. I'll keep you posted. If any of you List members have homepages be sure and let us know. Until We Meet Again, Barbara Yancey Dore (aka) [email protected] ------------------------------

Here's another link that has proved to be invaluable to me. For those searching for civil war records this will help. By the way I have decied to not post so many times a day. I will post Weekly mailings regarding Links of interest. If you have a link that you would Like to list please e-mail me the info and I'll include it. (It doesn't always have to do with Tyler County)Look for my posting between Friday and Sunday of each week. Happy Searching! KC

Janey: Fo you have the listing from the cemetery book for Tyler County? It list 3 McCarty's. Cordelia Pedigo & Infant McCarty b. 12/3/1860 d.5/4/1883 Infant b./d. 5/4/1883 Pedigo Cemetery Sidney A. McCarty b. 12/25/1858 d. 2/15/1886 Pedigo Cemetery Zelima E. McCarty b. 1/8/1855 d. 2/15/1883 Wife of W.R. McCarty Magnolia Cemetery. I hope this will fit in with your research. KC ------------------------------

Janey- Thank you for the suggestion. I don't know why I didn't think of it, but I am so glad you did! That you for sending it to the list, maybe that will help someone else too. I will let you know what I find! In your debt, -Carla ------------------------------

Here's a suggestion for people like Carla Clifton who are trying to find out what happened to an ancestor between 1880 and 1900. The Texas tax rolls are a gold mine for such information. Each county's tax rolls has been microfilmed from the beginning of the county's history. Many libraries - the San Antonio Public Library, for instance - have these microfilmed records. If not, they also are available via interlibrary loan. They are not indexed, as such, but all of the people whose names begin with A are listed together and so on through the alphabet so it is not a trial to find a name. Most years adult males were supposed to pay at least a poll tax. And personal property such as horses, cows, swine, wagons were taxed along with land. Using the tax rolls, I was able to pinpoint the year of one great-grandfather's death because one year he was listed as a taxpayer and the next year his estate was listed as the taxpayer. I also was able to follow him as he shifted back and forth several times between Trinity and Houston counties between censuses. I was able to get close to pinpointing the date of the death of a great-grandmother's first husband, the date of her marriage to the man who was my great-grandfather (a courthouse fire destroyed all records of the era in which they married) and then his death because the name on the tax rolls shifted back and forth between husbands' names and her name. Janey E. Joyce in San Antonio, Texas > > > ------------------------------

Hi! My name is Becky ABSHER; I am researching my husband, Wayne's, family in Tyler, TX. His grandfather, Adolphus Hugh ABSHER (it seems that Adolphus was an oft-repeated name at that time, from reading Bob's post about his Peter Adolphus Humble!). Our Adolphus was born August 17, 1883 in Tyler, TX. He married Estelle ARD (b. July 10, 1886 in Mills Co., TX) December 20, 1902. I'm not exactly sure where they were married. Adolphus' father was Henry Alexander , b. October 26, 1844, in TX. (not sure where). I live in Norwalk, CA; Los Angeles Co. My husband Wayne and I will celebrate our 20th anniversary this September. We just had our 9th grandchild (a beautiful granddaughter, April 7). Wayne retired last June and hopefully we will hit the road soon to start REALLY researching! On my mother's side I have heard stories of some of the ancestors spending time in Tyler, but as of yet I have nothing that would indicate it. I will, however, add the names at the end just in case. You never know! I would be more than happy to share and compare any information anyone of you may have an interest in; and would certainly appreciate any help of the same! My ABSHER ancestors - ABSHER, ARD, WOOLVERTON, MAYFIELD My GRUMBLES ancestors - GRUMBLES, EPPLER, TAYLOR, BOOTH, PIERCE, POIRIER, PRICE, STOKES Glad to join you all! Becky [email protected] ------------------------------

Hello Fellow Tyler County Researchers! My name is Carla Karbowski Clifton. My husband and I live in Liberty County, Texas. I am trying to research my husband's ancestors. I am actively researching the his surnames of CLIFTON & VOTAW in Tyler County. Here is what I know or suspect about his CLIFTON ancestors: Reddick S. CLIFTON, b: abt 1846 probably Baker County, GA, d: between 1886-1900 (sure wish I had that 1890 census!) in probably Polk County, TX, m: abt 1869 probably Dougherty County, GA to Elizabeth BULLOCK, b: 3 Jun 1850 probably Miller County, GA, d: 10 Feb 1921 Liberty County, TX. Reddick was a Private in Co. D, 18th Reg. Georgia Volunteer Infantry ANV, CSA (known as Davis' Invicibles). He was wounded in the arm, necessitating amputation at Sharpsburg, MD, September 17, 1862. He was paroled May 20, 1865 in Dougherty County, GA. Reddick & Elizabeth's children with the exception of their first child (who was born in GA) were all born in Tyler County, TX. I found Reddick & Elizabeth on the 1880 census in Polk County, TX. Reddick is supposedly buried in Drew's Landing Cemetery and story has it that his grave may have been washed away. I found Elizabeth on the 1900 census in Tyler County, TX, but she is listed in the following manner: Bushaw, Elizabeth [head] 43, GA, SC, SC Clifton, Nathan [son] 25, GA, GA, GA , John [son] 23, TX, GA, GA , Jim [son] 14, TX, GA, GA (John is my husband's Great-Grandfather) Elizabeth was known as Lizzie & Grannie BROUSSARD (BROUSSARD vs BUSHAW?). I have been unable to find out where the BROUSSARD or BUSHAW comes from. Any help that can be provided would be greatly appreciated. Happy Hunting! -Carla email: [email protected] PS. Thanks Barb for providing this list, it's great! ------------------------------

>Looking for the family of Joseph E. McCARTY >He was born in Louisiana on 10 April 1844 according to his family Bible. >According to family stories, he was reared in Louisiana and served in the Confederal States Army during the Civil War. He is believed to have married in Louisiana after the war. I have found two marriage records that might have been his: Joseph E. McCarty to Sallie A. HARRIS, 1 Jan. 1867, Claiborne Parish; and J.E. McCarty to M.J. BIGGS, 6 Dec. 1870, Bossier Parish. According to family stories, he and his first wife had a son - P.E. McCarty, born 6 Feb. 1872 - and a daughter whose name is unknown and then his wife died. >According to family stories, Joseph E. McCarty and son P.E. McCarty, came to Texas sometime after his first wife's death, leaving his daughter behind in the care of her grandparents. >Joseph E. McCarty and my great-grandmother, Susan Anne GEORGE, married on 7 Feb. 1878 in Brazos County, Texas. After their marriage, according to family stories, they moved to Tyler County, TX, where he worked as an estimator for a lumber company. My grandmother, Thula Josephine Carty, is supposed to have been born in Warren, Tyler County, on 20 Dec. 1887. He is said to have died shortly after the birth of his youngest child on 16 Nov. 1890. He is believed to be buried in Tyler County. >I would appreciate hearing from anyone who has a clue about this mystery man. > >Janey E. Joyce - [email protected] >23 Cross Canyon >San Antonio, TX 78247 > > ------------------------------

I don't think I forward this message. I hope someone can help her. KC

Here's another surname from Tyler county. I thought Everyone should take a look. If you fdon't want me to forward these plese LMK. a simple majority rules. KC

Sorry about the number of post but I thought these might help. The address below is probably the most comprehensive address you'll find. I believe she has over 18,000 links in 60 catagories all dealing with Genealogy Research. http://www.oz.net/~cyndihow/sites.htm Happy searching, KC ------------------------------

I am forwarding this message to the Tyler County mailing list as it deals with several popular names here! I hope it helps KC

From: Robert Humble Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 1997 12:28 PM To: Tyler County Subject: HUMBLE, RATCLIFF Hi Everybody, Greetings. My name is Robert Leonard HUMBLE. Usually called Bob. My wife is named Fumi. I was born in Colorado in 1931. Fumi was born in Gunma Prefecture, Japan. We live now in Las Vegas, NV. I'm retired, used to be an electronics technician both during a 21 year military career and in the corporate world. Fumi is a home maker and a retired entrepreneur. We have three kids and three grand children. Isham Smith HUMBLE, my 2d great grandfather, and my 2d great grandmother Sarah D. RATCLIFF came to Tyler County probably about 1846. They were in the 1850 Tyler County census as follows: 1850 Tyler Co TX Census Fmly #167 Isham HUMBLE 40 MISS, Sarah D 32 MISS, Nancy A L 13 LA, Charlotte 9 LA, Thomas L 7 LA, Peter A 9/12 TX; bor Jacob C HUMBLE fmly is only other Humble fmly in TX index #169 The 1860 census: 21 July 1860 Woodville PO, Tyler Co TX Census I S HUMBLE 50 MISS, S B 42 MISS, T L 16 LA, P A 10 TX, H A V 8 TX The 1870 census: 1870 Woodville PO, Tyler Co TX Census fmly #841 Isam S HUMBLE 60 LA farmer $500 real estate, $2490 pers propt; Sarah B 52 LA, Thomas L 26 LA teamster $250 pers propt; Henry G 21 LA Peter A. (Adolphus) is my great grandfather. The daughter Charlotte died in Tyler County in 1859. She and Isham and Sarah were members of the Rocky Hill Baptist Church at that time. The son Thomas L. (Leonard) went to the War Between the States and lost a leg. I don't know how he lost it. I've got some later information on him in West Texas, but no details of his wartime service. Peter Adolphus and Tom went to West Texas. I believe Tom died in Arkansas. I know Peter died in 1935 in Big Spring. The Jacob C. HUMBLE mentioned in the 1850 census was Isham's brother. I believe he went on the Hardin County, and I know some of his children were living in Hardin County in 1896. They were involved in an interesting incident that I'd like to get more information on and will post it later. I'm looking forward to hearing any information anyone in the group may have about this family. I'm sure Charlotte was buried in Tyler County and it seems a good possibility that Isham and Sarah were too. Best regards to everyone. Bob http://www.geocities.com/heartland/9645 And if you try that site and can't get on I'd appreciate hearing about it. ------------------------------

Well they always say "WHAT CAN GO WRONG, USUALLY DOES"!! I thought when RootsWeb set up this list that it was set so that any response would go to the whole list. So much for my thinking. After the Email crash of the weekend, and trying to play catch-up yesterday, it finally hit me that this thing isn't working like it should. PLEASE NOTE: It's been fixed to send a response to the whole list. If you really mean for a message to be private then double-check to make sure that you are responding to the sender only. Most of the "Lists" are set up this way. Sorry for the problem and those introductions that came to me I will forward on to the list. Barbara Dore (aka) [email protected] ------------------------------

Let me be the first to welcome you to the list. I found 5 Humble's listed in the cemetery index. Humble. Ambro D. b.3/4/1880 d. 1/13/1951 Warren Cemetery Humble, Carol Jean b. 12/22/1957 d. 1/25/1963 Fellowsip Cemetery Humble, Clyde b. 7/18/1905 d. 5/31/1986 Allison Cemetery Humble, Jewel b. 5/7/1910 d. _________ Allison Cemetery Humble, Mary M. b. 2/20/1875 d. 10/1/1968 Warren Cemetery RATCLIFF on the other hand there is 27 listed. If you don't have the list, I can copy it and snail mail it to you. Keep up the search! KC ------------------------------

---------- > From: K C Hale <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: HUMBLE, RATCLIFF > Date: Tuesday, April 29, 1997 2:48 PM > > Let me be the first to welcome you to the list. > > I found 5 Humble's listed in the cemetery index. > > Humble. Ambro D. b.3/4/1880 d. 1/13/1951 Warren Cemetery > Humble, Carol Jean b. 12/22/1957 d. 1/25/1963 Fellowsip Cemetery > Humble, Clyde b. 7/18/1905 d. 5/31/1986 Allison Cemetery > Humble, Jewel b. 5/7/1910 d. _________ Allison Cemetery > Humble, Mary M. b. 2/20/1875 d. 10/1/1968 Warren Cemetery > > > RATCLIFF on the other hand there is 27 listed. > > If you don't have the list, I can copy it and snail mail it to you. > > Keep up the search! > > KC Hi KC, Thanks for the prompt reply. Those Humbles are too recent to be in my direct line, though we are probably all cousins, at least those of us with roots in Louisiana and Texas. Any information is good information, though. I'll pass on the Ratcliffs, thanks anyway. If you come across anything else, let me know. Best regards, Bob ------------------------------

My name is Barbara June Walters Eberly My father's paternal family are from Alabama and Mississippi and came into East Texas in the early 1900s. His maternal family arrived a bit earlier. His mother's name was Mary Linnie Pearl (May) White Walters. Her father was Joseph Isaac Wade White. Her mother's name was Rosa Della Kirkland. She was born 4 Dec 1878 near Colmesneil, Tyler Co. Texas. Sne was married 11 Nov 1892. She died 25 Dec 1945. She had three great-grandchildren at the time of her death -- one of which was me. She died at the White homeplace in the Redland Community, near Lufkin in Angelina Co. Texas. Her parents were Zachery Taylor Kirkland and Eliza Ann Martin. I believe both died in Colmesneil although I have not put that in my database because I have no proof. However, both of Eliza's parents (Wiley Martin and Mary Ann Sears are buried there as well, so I presume the middle generation is there, too. Wiley Martin was born 18 Jul 1829 in Moore Co. NC and died 3 May 1882. Mary Ann Sears was born in Wamptunke, AL. Zachery Taylor Kirkland's parents were Zachariah G. Kirkland b. 31 Dec 1821 in Henry Co. AL and died 9 Feb 1890 in Colmesneil, Tyler Co., TX. I do not know when or where his mother, Sally Kennedy or Cannady was born or died. Her grandfather, William S. Kirkland died 11 Mar 1881 in Tyler Co., TX. He was born 16 Jul 1798 in SC and was married in Henry Co. AL to Ruth Kirkland (his first cousin). She was born 17 Sep 1798 in SC. I do not know who William's father is, although is must have been either Caleb or William. Moses is the father of Ruth and we know this because even in his will he indicated his displeasure with the marriage. Moses had a wife named Susannah. I don't know her last name. I do not have any names of spouses for either Caleb or William. They all moved from SC to AL together. Sally's father is probably Robert Kennedy or Cannady. This is based on the fact that there are legal documents indicating a close association with Moses and Caleb and Robert. My mother's family also came from NC, SC, GA, AL, MS, LA, to TX. They mostly settled in Shelby Co. TX. Surnames are PARAMORE, RISINGER, BRIDGES, NICHOLS, MORROW, MILLING, WALKER, REITLEHUBER, KELSO, MILLS, FILLINGIM, MONROE, KILLINGSWORTH, EVERETT, MONEY, FRAKES, MANLOVE, DRAKE, LEE, GAWTON, JONES, THOMPSON, CRISPE, CONYERS, BEST I live in Cullowhee, NC which is rather isolated. We are eight and a half miles from the university where my husband teaches and we are fifteen miles from the grocery store and the school my daughter attends. I spend a lot of time in the car. On the other hand, when we saw the property for the first time, my husband got out of the car, turned to me and said, "This is the kind of place I hike the Appalachian Trail to find." I have been doing genealogy on the internet since it began being done. I am relatively comfortable with the technology -- but have been ready to pull my hair out over my equipment lately. I crashed my hard drive, got another, decided to try Windows 95 and have had nothing but trouble ever since. I tried to get rid of 95 and made a bigger mess. Then I reloaded it and have put up with irritation on a fairly regular basis ever since. I am also listowner of the REISINGER surname list. Barbara Walters Eberly [email protected] ------------------------------