Posted on: San Saba Co., TX Queries<br> with Automated Mailing List Posting Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Tx/SanSaba/676 Surname: Edmondson, Bolinger, Shaw ------------------------- I am looking for any information about the death of Will Edmondson. My grandmother was listed as a witness. She apparently heard the shot. Was wondering if there is any way to get a transcript of the trial if there was one. My grandmother's father-in-law, E.B. Shaw was the one that discovered the body of Fred Bolinger when he was shot by Will Edmondson about 6 years earlier. Any and all information appreciated. Melinda

Posted on: San Saba Co., TX Queries<br> with Automated Mailing List Posting Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Tx/SanSaba/675 Surname: Jourdan, Burk, Shaw ------------------------- Judy, Louisiana America Burk Jourdan married Obediah Jourdan in Bienville, Louisiana January 5, 1869. I have a copy of their marriage license. Louisiana America's sister was my gggrandmother, Mary Elizabeth Burk. She married Hiram Shaw also in Bienville September 8,1849. It is said that the four of them and children came Texas together around 1874. Their father was John Burk, mother Sara, other siblings: Amanda, Mira Jane, John H , H.C., Zachary. Hiram and Mary came to Coleman county and are on the 1850 census there. I have not located Obediah and Louisiana in Coleman County though. Obediah however is buried in the Regency Cemetary in Mills County. According to JoAnn Daberko, Louisiana's ggranddaughter, her name was actually America Louisiana Burk. I have traced L.A. and Mary's sister Mira Jane to Bell County, Texas. She came with her second husband David Pearce in about 1869. Her first husband, James Patton Dyess had a brother John Jackson Dyess who married Amanda Burk. Would love to hear from you. If you will send me your e-mail address, I will forward it to Joann. I am sure she would love to hear from you as well. Melinda

Posted on: San Saba Co., TX Queries<br> with Automated Mailing List Posting Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Tx/SanSaba/674 Surname: Hanks ------------------------- Did Reuben Hanks and family stay in San Saba County after 1880? Is he buried somewhere in San Saba County? His sister, Josephine, was my husband's gr grandmother.

Searching for information regarding the above families. Children of Charles Madison Dick and Georgia Ann Hayden; John Garry (Bodie) Weeks and Martha Ann McCollom. Three children of each of these couples married: Robert H. Dick and Mary Ellen (Mamie) Weeks (1887), Cora Annie Dick and John Isaac Weeks (1886) and William Franklin Dick and Violi Essie Weeks (1893). Una Dick married John W. Poor in 1890 in Burnet Co. Jennie Dick married first Douglas Sawyer then Jefferson Davis Wolf, both of whom preceded her in death. Virgie Dick married Ross Ramsey and their daughter was named Hazel. Robert H. Dick and Mary Ellen Mamie Weeks removed to McLennan Co. and remained there. Some of the others were there for a while. John Isaac and Cora and William Franklin and Essie removed to Runnels Co. and Taylor Co. Georgia Ann Dick died in Lampasas Co. in 1922. Just hoping someone will have information. Thanks, Martha Kendall Holmes mholmes102@aol.com

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Posted on: San Saba Co., TX Queries<br> with Automated Mailing List Posting Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Tx/SanSaba/673 Surname: TAYLOR, BROWN, WARREN, MCMILLIN ------------------------- That is an interesting story. Another story that shows up from time to time was near Lemon's camp. One of the Lemon brothers, it is told, spent quite a bit of time searching for a treasure, and there was some speculation that it may have been a mine from Spanish times.

Posted on: San Saba Co., TX Queries<br> with Automated Mailing List Posting Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Tx/SanSaba/672 Surname: Taylor, Ellis, Davenport ------------------------- I occasionally heard my grandad, K.K. Taylor, and my father, Ellis K. Taylor, talk about lost treasure that is supposed to be hidden somewhere around San Saba or Richland Springs. It had to do with outlaws on the run or something to that effect. Can anyone add to this story?

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Posted on: San Saba Co., TX Queries<br> with Automated Mailing List Posting Reply Here: http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/genbbs.cgi/USA/Tx/SanSaba/670 Surname: Gay, Hamrick, Boyd ------------------------- I have a Sue Gay marrying William Hamrick. He was born around 1848 in Perry county, Alabama and she was born around 1852. His parents were Seaborn Hamrick and Mary Jane Wilson. They are tied into the Boyd family - I am researching the Hamricks and Boyds for a cousin. If any of these names rings any bells, please let me know. Thanks.

In a message dated 02/11/2001 12:45:39 AM Central Standard Time, Sznlady@aol.com writes: << I am very curious. Does anyone know who the Judge was at the trial? My GGGGrandfather was a Judge in San Saba. Joab Harrell. Thanks Susan >> Susan: None of the accounts I have indicates the name of the Judge who was sympathetic to the Mob. Nor does the judge's name appear in my copies of the court records. The judge is always referred to as "the judge of the court," or just "the court." District Judge W.M. Allison was among the citizens who wrote to Austin to request the presence of Rangers. I don't know how many judges were in San Saba at the time.

I am very curious. Does anyone know who the Judge was at the trial? My GGGGrandfather was a Judge in San Saba. Joab Harrell. Thanks Susan

Thanks a lot. This adds to my documentation and I will enjoy reading the book when I get it. I had forgotten where I read about Captain Ledbetter testifying so I dug aroung and found it in: Old Timers Of Wallace Creek by Jym A. Sloan, Published in 1958 can be found in your library or on library loan. Captain W. H. Ledbetter is mentioned on pages 47; 84; 85; 94-101; 108 and 136. His daughter, Callie Zenith, contributed to the article. A quote from it says: "After living at Spring Creek less than a year the W. H. Ledbetter family were in need of meat, and the Captain having a good calf out on the range, decided to go get it and butcher it for home use. After a diligent search on the hills and finding no beef he decided it had gone to water, so he rode towards Buzzards' Water Hole about one mile from his home, and as he rode down a steep hill near a dense thicket, a voice from it said "Go round." Mr. Ledbetter rode on a ways and met a man whom Mr. Ledbetter knew slightly, and was from the community. He was known as a model cowman, yet this man came to attention and presented his Winchester in a threatening manner, and nearby, but unseen, someone said "Go round." Captain Ledbetter continued on his way towards the water hole; shortly afterwards a man of good reputation rode up to the Captain, and with pointed gun demanded that he "Go round." By this time he was near enough to Buzzards' Water Hole to see that there was a bunch of men collected there. He recognized about thirty of them, and this looked like a knockout, however, they released him, and he went home, but with no beef" On page 108 of the book Callie Zenith stated: He, the Captain, told the Judge how many they had on the jury of mob leaning, "but however I can testify to what little I know," so that was the first time he "had opened his mouth." I believe people belonged to it that didn't know what they were doing till they were involved and then they were afraid, and some actually persuaded themselves that they were in the right. Someone has said that we can't know the human heart, but I believe that most of them were glad it was ended...... They tried to get Father to move, but he told them it was his country, and that he had never moved from outlaws..... It brings me to tears to read about those times and the struggles they all went through and how some of them chose to take what they wanted without concern for others and lived either on the edge or outside what law existed at the time (I have this inheritance also). Then I read about those with integrity and their bravery in fighting for what they believed in, and I smile with pride that it is a part of my ancestry and it makes me love Texas even more. Like most of us now, Texans in that age had some things to be ashamed of but so much more to be proud of. Since I have outlaws and Texas Rangers in my ancestry, I can speak freely. We are seeing the same situations in our times today in a way - some are afraid, with good reason, to go out on the streets at night because of crime, gang fights (mobs), racial tension, etc. and most of us are armed in some manner for protection. Thieves and those with little or no concience not only prey on the helpless, the young and the elderly, but beat, rape and mame them after they strip them of their possessions and leave them in terror (a group of strong young men recently robbed a dozen or more elderly women, ripping their wedding rings off and beating them beyond recognition, then leaving them laying and taking their cars. They stalked them in the malls and followed them home.). But, there are still those among us who are striving for integrity and honor to prevail. I pray our President is one of them, as he appears to be, and that he has chosen men of integrity who will teach our country what it is to be free to walk our streets and sleep and drive with our windows open again. God save America. When I was a child we had no keys to our doors, we slept with the windows and sometimes the doors open and only occasionally latched the screen door! We never locked our cars, we could drink the water right out of the facet, most of our food was not frozen, it was fresh, and we cooked it in either on or inside the stove in what was called a pan or an oven - sometimes hours! Our meat didn't taste like chemicals and was not tough like leather. Chicken tasted good with just a little salt on it! We ate fruit, vegetables and meat without harmones, chemicals and wax "protecting" them and they tasted like what they were named. Television was a baby and the commericals sold clothes to go over your underwear, not your underwear. We blushed when they started advertising toilet paper! We blushed a lot in those days! I miss that! There's something really refreshing about a blush outside a plastic container. Plastic - things came in paper boxes that you could open without pliars and scissors! Some of you will probably try to make me remember the bad stuff about those days but I prefer to remember the good stuff and I have a good delete button on this newfangled typin thing! Be blessed.... Jackie Midkiff ----- Original Message ----- From: <BSlick7819@aol.com> To: <silvertexz@mindspring.com>; <TXSSABA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2001 8:16 PM Subject: Re: [TXSSABA] Mob - Will Ledbetter > Jackie: > Yes, Will Ledbetter is mentioned in the book. From "I'll Die Before I'll > Run," by C.L. Sonnichsen (it is two n's; I doublechecked) > Chapter: The Feud of the Pious Assassins > > from pages 217 and 218 > I deleted the rest to save space on the list.... See the email described above.

Dear Sandi, Thanks for your request for a lookup in the 1900 San Saba census for any RIPPLE family. There are only two listings for RIPPLE in the 1900 census: one is a single, 28 year old female: Belle RIPPLE, born 2-1872, living as a 'lodger' in the household of James and Lou RAGSDALE. No other information is given. The other 1900 San Saba RIPPLE is the Henry R. RIPPLE family, as follows: Henry R., head; born 7-1848 in ARK; married 24 years; dad born IL, mom born PA Sarah E., wife, born 8-1860 in LA as were both her parents; had 9 children, 8 still alive Thomas M., son, born 3-1879 Miranda E., dau., born 4-1881 Fannie A., dau., born 3-1883 Martha H., dau., born 7-1885 Sarah A., dau., born 6-1887 Lucy I., dau., born 4-1892 John H., son; born 3-1894 all of the above children listed as born in Texas As to your problem with your San Saba 'list' e-mail being returned, the correct address is: TXSSABA-L@rootsweb.com. Hope this RIPPLE info helps! Regards, Karen Gauny Crisalli

Jackie: Yes, Will Ledbetter is mentioned in the book. From "I'll Die Before I'll Run," by C.L. Sonnichsen (it is two n's; I doublechecked) Chapter: The Feud of the Pious Assassins from pages 217 and 218 "Some four miles north of San Saba town was peculiar outcropping in the level plain known as China Knob -- a steep hill about 300 yards long and 125 high with shiny vitreous outcropings which gave it a name. Not far away was a rural schoolhouse which served as a church and social center for the country round about, and there in August of 1893 the Reverend Mr. Mathias began a series of revival meetings. Everybody went, of course. A protracted meeting was a great social occasion there, as in other parts of the South and West, but in this case society was by no means the chief attraction. Elders and deacons were the backbone of the Mob, and there were pious people on the other side as well. The China Knob revival was well and enthusiastically attended. "More than once in Texas, however, a religious meeting has given a feuding faction the chance it needed to even a score with its enemies. The one who was to suffer in this case was a young man named Jim Brown -- a son of the Ase Brown who had been hanged by Mob sympathizers in 1888. Jim was a noisy fellow who was probably not as bad as he wished to be considered, but he had convinced the leaders of the Mob that he was up to no good (they thought he was tampering with other people's cows), and they determined to get rid of him. The China Knob meeting gave them their opportunity. "By an ironic chance Jim had practically married the Mob. His wife was a McCarty, the daughter of a man who was supposed to be one of the inner circle, and his sister had married Bill Ogle, a jovial Irishman who had become a pliant tool in the hands of the leaders. The McCarty relationship helps to explain some arrangments that were made on the night of August 24, 1893. "The meeting was over. The preacher had shaken hands with everybody. The women had torn themselves reluctantly from the last morsels of neighborhood gossip. The horses had been brought up, and it was time to ride. Jim McCarty, Jim Brown's brother-in-law, took particular pains about arranging his little party. He and his sister rode off first, leaving Brown and Will Ledbetter to bring up the rear. What happened was described by the [San Saba] News editor the following week: 'On crossing a little ravine about three-quarters of a mile beyond China, Brown was fired upon from ambush. The weapon used was a shotgun loaded with buckshot. About fifteen shot entered his right side, one or two passing out on the left side, the others lodging about the heart and lungs. When he was shot, he clinched his horse and dashed up beside his wife who, with her companion, was at that time a short distance in front. Then a second shot was fired. This shot missed Brown, but some two or three shots hit Mrs. Brown, inflicting painful wounds. About this time Brown fell from his horse, the distance from where he was shot to where fell was about 75 steps. There is as yet no clue as to the guilty parties.' " Notes of Lisa Mitchell: Jim Brown was married to the daughter of Miles Daniel "Jeff" McCARTY (possibly Mary). William (Bill) Ogle was married to Georgia Ann McCORMICK, not a BROWN. Georgia Ann McCORMICK's mother was half-sister to Jeff McCARTY, making Mrs. Ogle and Mrs. Brown first cousins. The murder of Jim Brown happened in 1893. When the Texas Rangers arrived in San Saba in 1897 to attempt to disband the Mob (after the murder of Mr. JAMES), they investigated the Jim BROWN murder. The information about how the murder was plotted was provided to the Texas Rangers by Josh McCORMICK, brother to Georgia McCORMICK Ogle. Bill Ogle was arrested, and in 1899 he was convicted of first degree murder and sentenced to life in prison. In 1909, he was pardoned by the Governor of Texas, largely through the efforts of the prosecuting attorney, Walter Linden. The trial at which Will Ledbetter gave testimony was undoubtedly that of my ancestor Bill Ogle (the above mentioned "pliant tool," who was not Irish at all). A list of 66 witnesses was provided to the bailiff (so he could issue summons), but the list is not included in the court records. The only specific witnesses mentioned were those who had refused to testify, and it was noted in the records that they had ignored the summons. Ledbetter is not on that list. Ultimately, the trial was moved to Llano County from San Saba, as it was believed that the San Saba judge and sherriff were members of/sympathetic to the Mob and that a fair trial could not be had without change of venue. I think it's safe to say that Will Ledbetter was not one of the Mob, or he would not have been riding near the man to be shot... especially since the murder weapon was a shot gun. Hope this helps you, Lisa Mitchell

I just ordered the book "I'll Die Before I'll Run" that I saw on some of the posts on this list from Amazon.com. Thanks for listing the books. The author's name is spelled Sonnichsen in their records and Sonichsen in other records and in the postings here. That could prevent some folks from finding it. The cost is $13.56 at Amazon. Can anyone tell me if W. H. Ledbetter, a/k/a Captain Ledbetter, a/k/a William Henry Ledbetter is mentioned in this book. He is my great grandfather. I believe, from other material I have obtained, he testified at a trail regarding this matter. According to the documents I have he was usually called Captain Ledbetter in the area because he was a Captain in the Texas Rangers and, in fact, my mother didn't know his first name because the family also called him Captain. Thanks Jackie Midkiff Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lisa Mitchell" <bslick7819@aol.com> To: <TXSSABA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2001 2:31 PM Subject: [TXSSABA] Mob > Posted on: San Saba Co., TX Queries<br> with Automated Mailing List Posting > Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Tx/SanSaba/669 > > Surname: > ------------------------- > > Margaret: > I, too, have heard that the Mob troubles were fights between cattlemen > and farmers. That was the story that came down in my own family, but I > don't think that is completely accurate. Most of the Mob behavior appears > to be a result of personal grudges, etc. I think land grabbing was just > an added "benefit" for those wealthy enough to take advantage of it. My > own ancestor who was involved never had any land to speak of. > > If you've not seen it, you'll definitely want to get a copy of the book > I mentioned before, by C.L. Sonichsen, "I'll Die Before I'll Run." Your > ancestor is mentioned specifically, as follows: > > (page 220) > "A week after the Henderson murder, William James was killed. He was living > near the Hannah Crossing on the Colorado in the heart of the feuding district > but had never been involved in any trouble. His crime was discussing the > killing in his home. His children quoted him on the playground at school, > and the word got around that he had "talked." On July 28 [1896] he went > to the crossing after water and had just come out of the river with his > load when he was fired on and killed. Neighbors heard the shooting, went > to investigate, and met the wagon with blood on the wheel where he had > fallen over it. They found the man himself lying in the road with the usual > nine Winchester balls in his head and body. Dave Chadwick stayed with him > for seven or eight hours keeping the hogs and blowflies off while the rest > went for help. > "James left a wife and a 'house full of children,' and this fact, along > with the cruelty of the killing, finally aroused the responsible people > of the country. The day after it happened, District Judge W.M. Allison > wrote to the adjutant general asking for a permanent Ranger camp in the > vicinity." > > For your information, "...John Haas, Bill Kimmons, Little Jim Ford (son > of Mat [Ford]), and Nelson Smith (son of Preacher Smith) were accused of > doing away with W.A.James in 1896." These men were brought to trial in > San Saba in April 1898, and their cases were continued over several court > sessions. Ultimately the case was dropped and the various Mob families > were "encouraged" to move to other parts by the District Attorney. He made > a deal with them that if they did so, and kept out of trouble, their cases > would be dropped. > > Much of the story about the Mob was relayed to Sonichsen by the District > Attorney who prosecuted the Mob (W.C.Linden) and Dave Chadwick, who was > a sherriff in San Saba after the Mob days. [Although the book didn't say > so, I got the impression that Chadwick was in his late teens or a very > young man at the time the Mob was disbanded.] > > If you live in Texas, you can get copies of the court records indicting > his murderers through inter-library loan. I have copied the records for > the trial and conviction of my own ancestor. They're not as detailed as > the court records of today, but there is interesting information included. > > Good luck in your search! > > > > > ==== TXSSABA Mailing List ==== > Visit GenWeb's archive records for SAN SABA COUNTY, TEXAS, > http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/tx/sansaba/sansabtoc.htm > > ============================== > Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! >

Lisa, I appreciate your post. I have read the book "I Die before I Run". I just reread it recently. The subject of the "mob" comes up regularly on the List. I don't live in Texas, but Oregon. I think I could still get the records by inter-library loan. Grandma was one of those "houseful of children". There were eight James children plus 3 older boys. One was Will's son and 2 were his step-sons, the Nelsons. The older boys were around twenty. Grandma said her father took them to school the day of the murder and later went for water and was shot at the water hole. One of Grandma's memories was that she and her sisters had to do chores after their father's death, because the older boys were not around. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: Lisa Mitchell <bslick7819@aol.com> To: <TXSSABA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2001 12:31 PM Subject: [TXSSABA] Mob > Posted on: San Saba Co., TX Queries<br> with Automated Mailing List Posting > Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Tx/SanSaba/669 > > Surname: > ------------------------- > > Margaret: > I, too, have heard that the Mob troubles were fights between cattlemen > and farmers. That was the story that came down in my own family, but I > don't think that is completely accurate. Most of the Mob behavior appears > to be a result of personal grudges, etc. I think land grabbing was just > an added "benefit" for those wealthy enough to take advantage of it. My > own ancestor who was involved never had any land to speak of. > > If you've not seen it, you'll definitely want to get a copy of the book > I mentioned before, by C.L. Sonichsen, "I'll Die Before I'll Run." Your > ancestor is mentioned specifically, as follows: > > (page 220) > "A week after the Henderson murder, William James was killed. He was living > near the Hannah Crossing on the Colorado in the heart of the feuding district > but had never been involved in any trouble. His crime was discussing the > killing in his home. His children quoted him on the playground at school, > and the word got around that he had "talked." On July 28 [1896] he went > to the crossing after water and had just come out of the river with his > load when he was fired on and killed. Neighbors heard the shooting, went > to investigate, and met the wagon with blood on the wheel where he had > fallen over it. They found the man himself lying in the road with the usual > nine Winchester balls in his head and body. Dave Chadwick stayed with him > for seven or eight hours keeping the hogs and blowflies off while the rest > went for help. > "James left a wife and a 'house full of children,' and this fact, along > with the cruelty of the killing, finally aroused the responsible people > of the country. The day after it happened, District Judge W.M. Allison > wrote to the adjutant general asking for a permanent Ranger camp in the > vicinity." > > For your information, "...John Haas, Bill Kimmons, Little Jim Ford (son > of Mat [Ford]), and Nelson Smith (son of Preacher Smith) were accused of > doing away with W.A.James in 1896." These men were brought to trial in > San Saba in April 1898, and their cases were continued over several court > sessions. Ultimately the case was dropped and the various Mob families > were "encouraged" to move to other parts by the District Attorney. He made > a deal with them that if they did so, and kept out of trouble, their cases > would be dropped. > > Much of the story about the Mob was relayed to Sonichsen by the District > Attorney who prosecuted the Mob (W.C.Linden) and Dave Chadwick, who was > a sherriff in San Saba after the Mob days. [Although the book didn't say > so, I got the impression that Chadwick was in his late teens or a very > young man at the time the Mob was disbanded.] > > If you live in Texas, you can get copies of the court records indicting > his murderers through inter-library loan. I have copied the records for > the trial and conviction of my own ancestor. They're not as detailed as > the court records of today, but there is interesting information included. > > Good luck in your search! > > > > > ==== TXSSABA Mailing List ==== > Visit GenWeb's archive records for SAN SABA COUNTY, TEXAS, > http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/tx/sansaba/sansabtoc.htm > > ============================== > Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! >

Posted on: San Saba Co., TX Queries<br> with Automated Mailing List Posting Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Tx/SanSaba/669 Surname: ------------------------- Margaret: I, too, have heard that the Mob troubles were fights between cattlemen and farmers. That was the story that came down in my own family, but I don't think that is completely accurate. Most of the Mob behavior appears to be a result of personal grudges, etc. I think land grabbing was just an added "benefit" for those wealthy enough to take advantage of it. My own ancestor who was involved never had any land to speak of. If you've not seen it, you'll definitely want to get a copy of the book I mentioned before, by C.L. Sonichsen, "I'll Die Before I'll Run." Your ancestor is mentioned specifically, as follows: (page 220) "A week after the Henderson murder, William James was killed. He was living near the Hannah Crossing on the Colorado in the heart of the feuding district but had never been involved in any trouble. His crime was discussing the killing in his home. His children quoted him on the playground at school, and the word got around that he had "talked." On July 28 [1896] he went to the crossing after water and had just come out of the river with his load when he was fired on and killed. Neighbors heard the shooting, went to investigate, and met the wagon with blood on the wheel where he had fallen over it. They found the man himself lying in the road with the usual nine Winchester balls in his head and body. Dave Chadwick stayed with him for seven or eight hours keeping the hogs and blowflies off while the rest went for help. "James left a wife and a 'house full of children,' and this fact, along with the cruelty of the killing, finally aroused the responsible people of the country. The day after it happened, District Judge W.M. Allison wrote to the adjutant general asking for a permanent Ranger camp in the vicinity." For your information, "...John Haas, Bill Kimmons, Little Jim Ford (son of Mat [Ford]), and Nelson Smith (son of Preacher Smith) were accused of doing away with W.A.James in 1896." These men were brought to trial in San Saba in April 1898, and their cases were continued over several court sessions. Ultimately the case was dropped and the various Mob families were "encouraged" to move to other parts by the District Attorney. He made a deal with them that if they did so, and kept out of trouble, their cases would be dropped. Much of the story about the Mob was relayed to Sonichsen by the District Attorney who prosecuted the Mob (W.C.Linden) and Dave Chadwick, who was a sherriff in San Saba after the Mob days. [Although the book didn't say so, I got the impression that Chadwick was in his late teens or a very young man at the time the Mob was disbanded.] If you live in Texas, you can get copies of the court records indicting his murderers through inter-library loan. I have copied the records for the trial and conviction of my own ancestor. They're not as detailed as the court records of today, but there is interesting information included. Good luck in your search!

Posted on: San Saba Co., TX Queries<br> with Automated Mailing List Posting Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Tx/SanSaba/668 Surname: Taylor, Norman, Davenport ------------------------- My wife is also descended from James Kaneer Taylor of San Saba County. I have seen the name spelled both Kaneer and Kanier, but I think Kaneer is correct. I have a picture of his tombstone taken in 1997, but I don't know what has happened to it since then. My wife is the ggg grandaughter of James K. and Ann Eliza Taylor, through Mary Virginia Taylor Gibbons and her husband Billy Gibbons, then Forrest McGregor and Mary Adelia Gibbons McGregor, then Norman Dean Adams and Billie Louise McGregor. My wife is Donna Louise Adams Wigley. Your Great Grandfather Elbert N. Taylor married Eudora Frances Davenport, and also his sister Susan Mariah Taylor married Luther Calvin Davenport - and there is where you are related to a lot of Davenports in Richland Springs. There is a statement in the History of San Saba County that states that the James K. Taylor family settled within half a mile from the Davenports, and that five marriages took place between the two families. I will have to research any background in law enforcement or Civil War service - nothing pops immediately to mind.

Dear List, The San Saba County Historical Commission continues to accept material for Volume II of the San Saba County History Book. We would like to hear from you if you can share information, memories or pictures about the following. * Memories of your school days in San Saba County. * The Roaring Twenties in San Saba County * The Depression in San Saba * The War years on the Home Front * The Nifty Fifties * Pictures and memories of San Saba's business community * Movie Theaters in San Saba Coutny (especially in Richland Springs and Cherokee. * Fraternal and Social Organizations * We are still taking family articles If you have information to share which could fit into an article about the above or are willing to write an article please let me know. Lynn Blankenship Historical Commission Book Committee

Posted on: San Saba Co., TX Queries<br> with Automated Mailing List Posting Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Tx/SanSaba/667 Surname: WARREN, McMILLIN, BROWN, ROBINSON ------------------------- June, You have found lots of good information!! These are "my family" in San Saba Co., and this census information confirms information I have, and gives new clues for me to work on. Thank you so very much for your help. Bill