The Shofner Cemetery, Shelby County Texas, is no on line. Quick View http://www.rootsweb.com/~txshelby/cem_shofner.htm Ray Jackson rayjac@ktsnet.com Shelby County Texas Coordinator

The Latham Cemetery, Shelby County Texas, is now on line. Quick View http://www.rootsweb.com/~txshelby/cem_latham.htm Ray Jackson rayjac@ktsnet.com Shelby County Texas Coordinator

The Thompson Cemetery (Black), Shelby County Texas, is no online. Quick View http://www.rootsweb.com/~txshelby/cem_thompblk.htm Ray Jackson rayjac@ktsnet.com Shelby County Texas Coordinator

The McClelland Cemetery, Shelby County Texas, is no on line. Quick View http://www.rootsweb.com/~txshelby/cem_mcclelland.htm Ray Jackson rayjac@ktsnet.com Shelby County Texas Coordinator

I'm in Jefferson County, TX - Groves, Texas I'm researching my wife's family ties in Shelby County. She ties into the STANLEY, HOLT, BITTICK, SNIDER, WEAVER, BUTLER and SAMFORD lines. Kerry Girolamo

The Shelby County Texas Rootsweb now has a link to the Social Security Index Search with over 61,000,000 names. Check out http://www.rootsweb.com/~txshelby Ray Jackson rayjac@ktsnet.com Shelby County Texas Coordinator

ZIPP60@aol.com wrote: > > Listers, > > I just had to comment on the previous listers mention of ancestors that were > in Texas before the Republic was formed. I had traced my line in Texas back > as far as 1811 from Nacogdoches church records. The name was DEL RIO then , > not RIVERS. Further back than that it is apparent that these were decendants > of Spanish explorers and Apache Indians.........still working on that! > > Are there any more pre-republic Texans out there? > > BTW, also related to Sally Parrot Travis (wife of Col. William B. Travis) and > numerous veterans of the Texas Revolution. McMahon's and Irvine's are those > I have found. Isn't it great to have a family history from Texas? I am sure > there are many others that can relate to this. > > Oh and I do recall the bad wells.........some were sulphur infested and > others were as you said high in iron ore........guess we were just lucky 8^) > > Gene Rivers Gene, I've written about my grandmother's side - Bonner, Cox, Burns, Harris, but I'm just find info on my grandfather's side - Adams. you asked if there were any pre-republic Texans. My gr gr...grandfather Thomas Jefferson Adams fought at San Jacinto. The story goes that he moved here from TN and was a friend of Sam Houston's. I've been told he was given land after fighting in the revolution. I've found some documents, but I'm still sorting through and trying to make sure it's the same man. I've been told he married Becky Funnyhow daughter of a subchief of Bowles. It is believed that at one time they lived by the Stone Fort in Nacogdoches. I think there was a large Cherokee tribe there that dates a long way back. At some point the family ended up in Center. I can't find any records mentioning Becky, if anyone can help on that I would appreciate it. Center's record were destroyed in a fire so I've been told. Gene, I'm sure we would love to hear some of you family stories. Write them down. sheila thrash moreland

I have so enjoyed the wonderful stories about Shelby County. Please keep them coming. I've always felt it was a special place and has a rich history. I live in Gregg County, Longview. My family, Burns, Harris, Cox moved to Shelby county in the latter 1800's. Another branch Bonner, moved there after the Civil War. The log house Andrew Bonner built is still standing and used. The Bonners are buried in Lone Cedar Cemetary, in fact I have 3 generations there. My gr-gr grandparents had a store and I remember my great grandmother, Alma Cox Bonner talking about the switchboard they ran. My great grandmother Amy Cox was also a mid wife. Alma lived to be a month away from 97. I consider myself blessed to have known her. I spent many nights in that log house, outhouse and all. In fact, I was there watching the old black and white when Nixon resigned. I have to agree the water from the well did have a bit of iron. She had 2 water faucets, one on the dog trot and one in the kitchen, both cold. Baths were taken in a washtub in the kitchen. The old dinner bell was still on the back porch. We knew not to touch it, because it was only used to call neighbors in case of a fire. Some of the strongest memories I have come from there. My favorite time was on cold mornings. I would lie in the bed under about 30 pounds of quilts and listen to my great grandparents, grandparents and parents talk in the kitchen and smell the coffee, eggs, and bacon. My mother remembers when she was small, she would sit on the corn cob mop while greatmamaw would scrub the dog trot to keep it white. Someone has mentioned the cemetary that was kept free from grass, the log house was also like that. We kept the yard "swept". There may have been no grass, but there were lots of roses, a giant magnolia tree and flowers. Great mamaw was a very special lady and I think indicative of the strength of the people of Shelby County. After being released from the hospital with instructions not to even push a broom, she was found in the garden with the hand plow strapped on plowing. After everyone expressed their dismay, she calmly said, "He said not to push a broom, he didn't say anything about a plow." My grandmother remembered her grandmother Mary Bonner ringing the bell and waiting for the men to come in from the fields. Mary was half Cherokee and she would squat on her heels as she would wait. I am very proud of my Shelby County heritage and I think we should all be thankful our ancestors had the good sense to live there. sheila thrash moreland

Jane, I am sorry. I meant it for Dan Pullen. I guess I did not hit the right button. Annette in Bergheim RELPPEK@aol.com wrote: > > --part1_6983a9a8.24f927e9_boundary > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > I can't tell who this was meant for. > > Jane > > --part1_6983a9a8.24f927e9_boundary > Content-Type: message/rfc822 > Content-Disposition: inline > > Return-Path: <eperson@gvtc.com> > Received: from rly-yc01.mx.aol.com (rly-yc01.mail.aol.com [172.18.149.33]) > by air-yc03.mail.aol.com (v60.28) with ESMTP; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 > 21:51:37 -0400 > Received: from atl4.america.net (atl4.america.net [199.170.121.8]) by > rly-yc01.mx.aol.com (v60.28) with ESMTP; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 21:51:21 > -0400 > Received: from eperson.gvtc.com ([63.64.106.15]) > by atl4.america.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA23128 > for <RELPPEK@aol.com>; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 21:50:13 -0400 (EDT) > Message-ID: <37C74040.2173@gvtc.com> > Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 20:49:52 -0500 > From: Elizabeth Person <eperson@gvtc.com> > X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) > MIME-Version: 1.0 > To: RELPPEK@aol.com > Subject: Re: Fwd: Shelby County > References: <4f9b8b61.24f896a8@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > SO, you are kin to Zelda Hamilton Mask I gather. Is this the old Brady > house you are talking about in front of the Brady Cemetery. Greers are > buried there. Do you correspond with LIllian Bittick in Center? Zelda > was her aunt. Zelda and I corresponded and I met her in the Champion > office. She was so glad to meet me. My grandfather Judge Sanders did > legal work for them. > > FAnnie Greer married Murdoch Martin, son of Charlie Martin and Violet > Elizabeth McDowling. Murdoch's brother Jack married SAllie Valeria > Everett. HER parents were Charlotte Colwell Hamilton and Alfred Pinkney > Everett. Charlotte's brother Matthew Hamilton is Zelda's grandfather. > > Anyhow, I hope I have not bothered you if you don't know MY part of this > wonderful family. > > I have been in that dogtrot house years and years ago. Zelda always told > me not to go down to the cemetery by myself. I never did. > > Regards, > Annette Sanders Person > GG grand daughter of Charlotte Colwell Hamilton Everett. She is buried > at One Gallus Ranch close to the Brady Cemetery. > > RELPPEK@aol.com wrote: > > > > --part1_4f9b8b61.24f896a8_boundary > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > > > > > --part1_4f9b8b61.24f896a8_boundary > > Content-Type: message/rfc822 > > Content-Disposition: inline > > > > Return-Path: <TXSHELBY-L-request@rootsweb.com> > > Received: from rly-yg05.mx.aol.com (rly-yg05.mail.aol.com [172.18.147.5]) by > > air-yg03.mail.aol.com (v60.28) with ESMTP; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 18:54:27 > > -0400 > > Received: from bl-14.rootsweb.com (bl-14.rootsweb.com [204.212.38.30]) by > > rly-yg05.mx.aol.com (v60.28) with ESMTP; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 18:54:13 > > -0400 > > Received: (from slist@localhost) > > by bl-14.rootsweb.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA05692 > > for owner-TXSHELBY@lists.rootsweb.com; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 15:54:08 -0700 (PDT) > > Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 15:54:08 -0700 (PDT) > > X-From_: dan.b.pullen@worldnet.att.net Fri Aug 27 15:54:07 1999 > > Received: from bl-3.rootsweb.com (bl-3.rootsweb.com [204.212.38.19]) > > by bl-14.rootsweb.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA05674 > > for <TXSHELBY-L-request@lists.rootsweb.com>; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 15:54:07 -0700 > > (PDT) > > Received: from mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net > > [204.127.131.39]) > > by bl-3.rootsweb.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA19314 > > for <TXSHELBY-L-request@rootsweb.com>; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 15:54:01 -0700 (PDT) > > Received: from 404152321worldnet ([12.73.224.238]) > > by mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) > > with SMTP id <19990827225340.NRTA15925@404152321worldnet> > > for <TXSHELBY-L-request@rootsweb.com>; > > Fri, 27 Aug 1999 22:53:40 +0000 > > From: "Dan Pullen" <dan.b.pullen@worldnet.att.net> > > To: <TXSHELBY-L-request@rootsweb.com> > > Subject: RE: Shelby County > > Old-Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 17:51:04 -0500 > > Message-ID: <000201bef0de$a4c480e0$eee0490c@404152321worldnet.att.net> > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > Content-Type: text/plain; > > charset="iso-8859-1" > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > X-Priority: 3 (Normal) > > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 > > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > > Importance: Normal > > In-Reply-To: <199908262326.QAA29453@bl-14.rootsweb.com> > > X-Diagnostic: Already on the subscriber list > > X-Diagnostic: 62 dan.b.pullen@worldnet.att.net 32740 > > dan.b.pullen@worldnet.att.net > > X-Envelope-To: TXSHELBY-L-request > > > > I am in Harris County now, but grew up in Shelby County. > > > > My g-grandfather, John PULLEN, settled in Shelbyville after attending the > > college there about 1876. He was from Sabine County, Louisiana and was the > > first subscriber to the Champion newspaper. My grandfather, Daniel PULLEN > > was Shelby County tax assessor from 1924-1928. A g-g-grandfather, David > > GREER, moved from Shelbyville, Tennessee to the Shelbyville area about 1838. > > His log house still stands in the Brady community. I am also researching > > two other direct family connections in Shelby County - RATHER & MCCAULEY and > > many other collateral connections. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Dan Pullen > > > > --part1_4f9b8b61.24f896a8_boundary-- > > --part1_6983a9a8.24f927e9_boundary--

Melinda Tillman wrote a wonderful history of her ancestors from Shelby county!! I am very proud to say that I also descend from the Nathan DAVIS Jr and Nathan DAVIS Sr. that Melinda mentioned. My gggrandfather, Martin Fletcher DAVIS, was a half brother to Melinda's Abijah DAVIS. Melinda has helped me SO much on my research into this DAVIS family. I appreciate all the help from her as well as Notha Stevens, Elizabeth Moore who helped me on my STORY connection, and everyone else who has sent any information. Without your help, I wouldn't have known!! Genealogists are wonderful! Peggy Loar

Thank you Linda. I hope that you have a good time in the hobby. That's what it's for right? Fun, and to preserve it for those small numbers of people who care ....and for those that went before you. Sometimes, you see someone who is really interested in being related to someone like Thomas Edison or George Washington or whoever. Shoot, (can I use that word?), you're already related to the BEST, most interesting people that there were. Aren't you? Sometimes they didn't leave you a trail or something but they didn't know that they were supposed leave you a trail. Think about your guy that had a fight with his neighbor, he's great too because he probably went to court and 'left a trail', especially if he was accused of cheating somebody--or worse. He didn't mean to leave that trail. bye for now and thanks, Linda. Tony Lanagan -----Original Message----- From: Linda Osborne <losborne@lcc.net> To: J. A. Lanagan <lanagan@by-rite.net> Date: Friday, August 27, 1999 10:11 PM Subject: Re: hello to the readers of the Shelby site >Tony: > >Thank you for your information on Shelby County. I really enjoyed it. >Linda Osborne >-----Original Message----- >From: J. A. Lanagan <lanagan@by-rite.net> >To: TXSHELBY-L@rootsweb.com <TXSHELBY-L@rootsweb.com> >Date: Friday, August 27, 1999 11:54 AM >Subject: hello to the readers of the Shelby site > > >>I'm Tony Lanagan and am a life long EAST TEXAN and proud of it although I >>have been transplanted to >>Dallas since 1987. I grew up in Pleasant Hill, Louisiana, Nacogdoches, >>Texas, Overton, Texas and Longview, Texas where I went to Pine Tree High >>School. I am a pharmacist and graduate of the University of Texas. >> >>I'm 'kin' to a lot of people in Shelby County or people emulating from >>there. My maternal grandmother, >>'Miss' Onie Nelson was the last of us born in the county December 29, 1887 >>about 2 miles from the Sabine River. In 1901 or 1902, her family of two >>natural parents, five sisters and one brother and one son-in-law moved >>across the Louisiana line to Pelican, De Soto Parish. In her married life, >>she lived 'ACROSS THE BORDER'--as it is known around East Texas--in Sabine >>Parish 3 miles west of Pleasant Hill, Louisiana but she never lost her love >>of Shelby and her aunts, uncles and cousins over there. She transferred >this >>love of Shelby to all of us and I became a genealogist of sorts at the age >>of 8 or 10 years old around 1950 to 1952. I was always 'up' for a good >>story with some family based truth in it and still am. I even went to a >>'singin' held by the Carroll family in Carrolltown in the early 1950's. >> >>It's a dad gum shame that they don't call you in like that anymore. It's a >>detriment to the research of us all. >> >>When I first saw the Carroll Cemetary, it was white sand, picked clean of >>every blade of grass--as was the custom. So were a lot of the yards in >>Carrolltown at the homes of her cousins. >> >>Surprisingly, as young, unmarried people, my grandmother and her sisters >>could go in the buggy >>from Pelican, Louisiana, unchaperoned, but in small groups; spend the night >>near the river at a relative's >>house on the Louisiana side, such as Uncle Malcomb >>Paul's; get up early the next day and go across on Myrick's Ferry to Paul's >>Store, Carrolltown, Strongs, >>or the 'Neck'. Although she said she was born in Shelbyville, she just >said >>it as people who choose to say they're born in a bigger town than they >>were.--and Shelbyville was once famous enough that if you said that, people >>knew where you were born. She was really born in the 'Neck' which is short >>for 'Terrapin Neck' and in no way ashamed of it. This term was used since >>the origin of Shelby County to refer to a particular bend of the Sabine >>River. I have seen it referred to as the 'Neck' as early as 1862 in letters >>from a Shelby County Confederate soldier. >> >>Miss Onie's mother was a Booth; Her grandmother was a Carroll and one of >her >>great grandmothers was a Paul and the other was a McClellan (but not of the >>Shelby County McClellans); What's in a name? For her, it meant that her >>Scots-Irish ancestors, the Carrolls and McClellans of York County, South >>Carolina, had passed down enough heritage that they, years later in Shelby >>County, knew to give her a birth name of 'Iona' for the sacred island off >>the coast of Scotland, said to be the graveyard of the Scottish chieftans, >>including MacBeth. >> >>All of these early Shelby County ancestors lived and died in Shelby County. >>All people descended from these original Shelby County settlers of the >first >>Booth, Paul and Carroll families are related to her including the huge >group >>of Pauls of Sabine Parish, Louisiana who are descended from Burton Paul, >>originally of Shelby County, Texas by way of Jones County, Georgia. >> >>My best researcher 'cousins' are Bill Carroll of Houston, Texas, Frances >>Lapp of Fort Worth, Texas, and Mrs. Mary Hancock of Georgia. I would like >>to publicly thank them. These people have been of invaluable help to me >and >>we still 'consult'. Frances is a Booth and Paul descendant and Bill and >>'Miss Mary' work on the Carrolls. >> >>Fay Dobson, a CASSEL researcher has been of help to me as we have ancestors >>buried in the Cassel Cemetary in Shelby County. >> >>'Miss' Mattie Dellinger of Center, Texas--THE BEST NEWSPAPER COLUMN WRITER >>WE EVER HAD >>has been a great help to me as was Mr. J.B. Sanders who was one of the >first >>to try to save Shelby County's heritage. >> >>I used to spend hours with Mr. Sanders in the 1960's when no one seemed to >>care much about what he was doing. He knew about YOUR ancestors...as well >>as mine. We should all be grateful to him. I never once heard him try to >>tell me about HIS genealogy. He wanted to preserve what you knew and >wanted >>you to tell him what you found out about ANYTHING in the county. Thought >to >>be a little different or 'walking to the beat of a different drummer' by >the >>public, he was intelligent, had the fore thought to use a 4x5 camera to >>photograph documents not connected to him by blood, and then processed the >>film and prints himself in attempt to save it. Most likely, a lot of his >>material was probably destroyed, possibly even by librarians. >> >>I encourage you to work together, help one another, appreciate the people >>who do the "lookups" , and work on the cemetaries, and work on the web >>pages, mail you things without asking for postage re-imbursement, and who >>even do the small thing of taking the time to respond to YOUR e-mail. A lot >>of the people that I write on the web who request that YOU respond to THEIR >>plea won't even write back with a simple "I'm sorry, I'm not connected to >>that family. Good Luck in your search." >> >>And I say to you: Good luck in your search. >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Tony Lanagan >> >> >> >> > > >

Thank you very much Jane. We REALLY appreciate you, don't we folks. Tony Lanagan -----Original Message----- From: RELPPEK@aol.com <RELPPEK@aol.com> To: lanagan@by-rite.net <lanagan@by-rite.net> Date: Friday, August 27, 1999 8:41 PM Subject: Re: hello to the readers of the Shelby site >Tony, >Wow, that was good. We can use more like you. > >Jane Sanford Keppler >sponsor for Shelby County

On the subject of well water, I did notice that the other well on the property did indeed have a bitter taste to it, and this was the older of the two wells on the property. The well with the good water in it was closer to Blue Bayou, nearer the cemetery. In fact it was a good hundred yard walk. One of my Uncles told me that the water from that well came from a fresh water spring near the banks of the bayou. When asking him how long it had been there he said it was dug out in the 1944, just before my dad left for the Pacific. I can tell you that both of the well are gone now, although I can still see where the good one once was. Gene

--part1_6983a9a8.24f927e9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I can't tell who this was meant for. Jane --part1_6983a9a8.24f927e9_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <eperson@gvtc.com> Received: from rly-yc01.mx.aol.com (rly-yc01.mail.aol.com [172.18.149.33]) by air-yc03.mail.aol.com (v60.28) with ESMTP; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 21:51:37 -0400 Received: from atl4.america.net (atl4.america.net [199.170.121.8]) by rly-yc01.mx.aol.com (v60.28) with ESMTP; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 21:51:21 -0400 Received: from eperson.gvtc.com ([63.64.106.15]) by atl4.america.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA23128 for <RELPPEK@aol.com>; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 21:50:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37C74040.2173@gvtc.com> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 20:49:52 -0500 From: Elizabeth Person <eperson@gvtc.com> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RELPPEK@aol.com Subject: Re: Fwd: Shelby County References: <4f9b8b61.24f896a8@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SO, you are kin to Zelda Hamilton Mask I gather. Is this the old Brady house you are talking about in front of the Brady Cemetery. Greers are buried there. Do you correspond with LIllian Bittick in Center? Zelda was her aunt. Zelda and I corresponded and I met her in the Champion office. She was so glad to meet me. My grandfather Judge Sanders did legal work for them. FAnnie Greer married Murdoch Martin, son of Charlie Martin and Violet Elizabeth McDowling. Murdoch's brother Jack married SAllie Valeria Everett. HER parents were Charlotte Colwell Hamilton and Alfred Pinkney Everett. Charlotte's brother Matthew Hamilton is Zelda's grandfather. Anyhow, I hope I have not bothered you if you don't know MY part of this wonderful family. I have been in that dogtrot house years and years ago. Zelda always told me not to go down to the cemetery by myself. I never did. Regards, Annette Sanders Person GG grand daughter of Charlotte Colwell Hamilton Everett. She is buried at One Gallus Ranch close to the Brady Cemetery. RELPPEK@aol.com wrote: > > --part1_4f9b8b61.24f896a8_boundary > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > --part1_4f9b8b61.24f896a8_boundary > Content-Type: message/rfc822 > Content-Disposition: inline > > Return-Path: <TXSHELBY-L-request@rootsweb.com> > Received: from rly-yg05.mx.aol.com (rly-yg05.mail.aol.com [172.18.147.5]) by > air-yg03.mail.aol.com (v60.28) with ESMTP; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 18:54:27 > -0400 > Received: from bl-14.rootsweb.com (bl-14.rootsweb.com [204.212.38.30]) by > rly-yg05.mx.aol.com (v60.28) with ESMTP; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 18:54:13 > -0400 > Received: (from slist@localhost) > by bl-14.rootsweb.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA05692 > for owner-TXSHELBY@lists.rootsweb.com; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 15:54:08 -0700 (PDT) > Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 15:54:08 -0700 (PDT) > X-From_: dan.b.pullen@worldnet.att.net Fri Aug 27 15:54:07 1999 > Received: from bl-3.rootsweb.com (bl-3.rootsweb.com [204.212.38.19]) > by bl-14.rootsweb.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA05674 > for <TXSHELBY-L-request@lists.rootsweb.com>; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 15:54:07 -0700 > (PDT) > Received: from mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net > [204.127.131.39]) > by bl-3.rootsweb.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA19314 > for <TXSHELBY-L-request@rootsweb.com>; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 15:54:01 -0700 (PDT) > Received: from 404152321worldnet ([12.73.224.238]) > by mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) > with SMTP id <19990827225340.NRTA15925@404152321worldnet> > for <TXSHELBY-L-request@rootsweb.com>; > Fri, 27 Aug 1999 22:53:40 +0000 > From: "Dan Pullen" <dan.b.pullen@worldnet.att.net> > To: <TXSHELBY-L-request@rootsweb.com> > Subject: RE: Shelby County > Old-Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 17:51:04 -0500 > Message-ID: <000201bef0de$a4c480e0$eee0490c@404152321worldnet.att.net> > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > X-Priority: 3 (Normal) > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > Importance: Normal > In-Reply-To: <199908262326.QAA29453@bl-14.rootsweb.com> > X-Diagnostic: Already on the subscriber list > X-Diagnostic: 62 dan.b.pullen@worldnet.att.net 32740 > dan.b.pullen@worldnet.att.net > X-Envelope-To: TXSHELBY-L-request > > I am in Harris County now, but grew up in Shelby County. > > My g-grandfather, John PULLEN, settled in Shelbyville after attending the > college there about 1876. He was from Sabine County, Louisiana and was the > first subscriber to the Champion newspaper. My grandfather, Daniel PULLEN > was Shelby County tax assessor from 1924-1928. A g-g-grandfather, David > GREER, moved from Shelbyville, Tennessee to the Shelbyville area about 1838. > His log house still stands in the Brady community. I am also researching > two other direct family connections in Shelby County - RATHER & MCCAULEY and > many other collateral connections. > > Best regards, > > Dan Pullen > > --part1_4f9b8b61.24f896a8_boundary-- --part1_6983a9a8.24f927e9_boundary--

Listers, I just had to comment on the previous listers mention of ancestors that were in Texas before the Republic was formed. I had traced my line in Texas back as far as 1811 from Nacogdoches church records. The name was DEL RIO then , not RIVERS. Further back than that it is apparent that these were decendants of Spanish explorers and Apache Indians.........still working on that! Are there any more pre-republic Texans out there? BTW, also related to Sally Parrot Travis (wife of Col. William B. Travis) and numerous veterans of the Texas Revolution. McMahon's and Irvine's are those I have found. Isn't it great to have a family history from Texas? I am sure there are many others that can relate to this. Oh and I do recall the bad wells.........some were sulphur infested and others were as you said high in iron ore........guess we were just lucky 8^) Gene Rivers

Amen !!

It's been wonderful to read of everybody's connection to Shelby Co. Seems we are all still there in spirit. I am Melinda Tillman, live in LaMarque, Galveston Co, and I spent all my summers and school holidays at my maternal grandparents' farm near Corinth Baptist Church right on the Panola Shelby Co line. I would be the smartest genealogist on the list if I had kept notes on my grandmother's stories. She always said that EVERYONE in both counties was kin somehow and she knew exactly how. I loved listening to her stories of double first cousins. One difference I remember from what another lister recalls is that the water was cool and sweet. He obviously drank from a different well. The water I recall was very high in iron ore- not a bit sweet, very hard. Stained everything orange. But it was cool- I can almost taste the tin dipper scooping out well water from the tin bucket. Now, my paternal grandparents lived in Nacogdoches and their "city water" came from the same spring that the Ozarka Company uses to bottle. We used to call it "white lightnin" Nothing tasted better in the summer than ice cold 'Doches water. No city has better tap water. My grandparents are Jim and Lula Richards McLeroy. "Papa" Jim McLeroy was the son, brother and cousin of "too many too count" Baptist ministers. Papa was a school teacher, the first superintendant of Gary School, and mostly a farmer and the best grandfather on earth. Grandma Lula was a farm wife and professional grandmother who cooked, quilted, shelled peas and told stories. She always wore a bonnet in the sun and had almost no wrinkles, even in her 70's. She was wise before her time. My Shelby County great grandparents were JL Morgan Richards and Mary Morris. Mary died young leaving my grandmother to raise her younger sister. Morgan Richards was a talented gunsmith who made really good moonshine. His businesses must have kept him close to local law enforcement, most of whom were cousins and steady customers of both businesses. Morgan Richards' parents were Caroline "Calline" Conway and John S Richards,son of Mary Sapp and Charles Harrison Richards. Caroline was widowed and later married John Richards' recently widowed cousin BD Sapp. Not a marriage made in heaven. The Conways came to Shelby Co ca 1850 from Fayette Co TN. The Richards came to Texas from Blount Co AL ca 1832. Charles Harrison Richards died soon after leaving Mary Sapp Richards, aka "Granny Richards" a widow in the frontier with young children and orphaned grandchildren to raise. She is the feisty woman who is credited with the community name "Buck Snort". No ornery old buck was going to destroy her garden. Great grandparents on the McLeroy side included Sarah Alice Davis and James W McLeroy Sr. Sarah was the daughter of Abijah Davis who was BORN in Texas in 1835, a son of Nathan Davis and a grandson of Nathan Davis Sr who was in Texas by 1818. Nathan, his wife Jane Ewing and mother in law, Elizabeth Ramage Ewing Lewis left South Carolina ca 1800, migrating with family thru KY, Jackson Co, IL and Saline Co AR. Sarah's mother was Permelia Jane Taylor, dau of William Taylor, another early Texas settler. The McLeroys were plantation owners in Georgia who lost all in the Civil War. Edward McLeroy, a Mason and former Confederate soldier, moved his family to the area around Pine Hill, near his brother in law, Dr Lassiter. He was apparently quite devastated by the War and died not long after coming to Texas. Family lore has it that he died of an intentional self inflicted gun shot wound. He left Sophronia Lassiter McLeroy a widow but she had a family of mostly grown sons and daughters. Sophronia lived a long life, in the childhood home of my grandfather. He remember ed her well. Papa also recalled his maternal grandaddy, old Abijah Davis who also lived with them. Abijah was blind in his old age and that impacted Papa deeply. It's amazing to me that a man I knew so well was so close to a man born about the same as Texas. Abijah Davis is my earliest Texas born ancestor and his grandfather was here long before the Republic. No wonder I feel so rooted to Shelby and Panola County!

--part1_4f9b8b61.24f896a8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part1_4f9b8b61.24f896a8_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <TXSHELBY-L-request@rootsweb.com> Received: from rly-yg05.mx.aol.com (rly-yg05.mail.aol.com [172.18.147.5]) by air-yg03.mail.aol.com (v60.28) with ESMTP; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 18:54:27 -0400 Received: from bl-14.rootsweb.com (bl-14.rootsweb.com [204.212.38.30]) by rly-yg05.mx.aol.com (v60.28) with ESMTP; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 18:54:13 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by bl-14.rootsweb.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA05692 for owner-TXSHELBY@lists.rootsweb.com; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 15:54:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 15:54:08 -0700 (PDT) X-From_: dan.b.pullen@worldnet.att.net Fri Aug 27 15:54:07 1999 Received: from bl-3.rootsweb.com (bl-3.rootsweb.com [204.212.38.19]) by bl-14.rootsweb.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA05674 for <TXSHELBY-L-request@lists.rootsweb.com>; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 15:54:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.39]) by bl-3.rootsweb.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA19314 for <TXSHELBY-L-request@rootsweb.com>; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 15:54:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 404152321worldnet ([12.73.224.238]) by mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19990827225340.NRTA15925@404152321worldnet> for <TXSHELBY-L-request@rootsweb.com>; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 22:53:40 +0000 From: "Dan Pullen" <dan.b.pullen@worldnet.att.net> To: <TXSHELBY-L-request@rootsweb.com> Subject: RE: Shelby County Old-Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 17:51:04 -0500 Message-ID: <000201bef0de$a4c480e0$eee0490c@404152321worldnet.att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <199908262326.QAA29453@bl-14.rootsweb.com> X-Diagnostic: Already on the subscriber list X-Diagnostic: 62 dan.b.pullen@worldnet.att.net 32740 dan.b.pullen@worldnet.att.net X-Envelope-To: TXSHELBY-L-request I am in Harris County now, but grew up in Shelby County. My g-grandfather, John PULLEN, settled in Shelbyville after attending the college there about 1876. He was from Sabine County, Louisiana and was the first subscriber to the Champion newspaper. My grandfather, Daniel PULLEN was Shelby County tax assessor from 1924-1928. A g-g-grandfather, David GREER, moved from Shelbyville, Tennessee to the Shelbyville area about 1838. His log house still stands in the Brady community. I am also researching two other direct family connections in Shelby County - RATHER & MCCAULEY and many other collateral connections. Best regards, Dan Pullen --part1_4f9b8b61.24f896a8_boundary--

Listers...... I must say it has been a long time since I heard a reference to "The Neck." The last person I recall hearing speak of it was my grandmother Eula McMahon Rivers. She was born near Patroon, 15 Sept 1899, she too moved to "across the border" after she married my grandfather, Thomas Jefferson Rivers. As a child I recall visiting Shelby County, the yard picked clean of grass just as you say. I remember the house was old and worn, there was not glass in all the windows, on some a canvas cover was used and it was rolled up when needed, you could see stars through the roof at night, but for some reason I never noticed a leak when it rained. To sit on the porch where my dad and his mother and those before us had rested after a good meal is a memory I will never forget. I recall the water that came from the well was cool and sweet. Yes, they were poor in finance, but rich in every other aspect. The house is gone now, those that spent their life there are buried just a short walk down the red dirt road. From Martin L. Shofner, an early school teacher and Civil War veteran to the my grandma Eula. We visit them at least once a year. It is a lovely place, so quiet and peaceful. I have asked to be sent there after my work her is done. A hearty thanks to any and all that have shared information on this Shelby County mailing list. God bless us all.......and Shelby County! Fulton Eugene Rivers II Baytown, Texas

Tonya, I'd be remiss if I didn't answer you, right? I think that I know where those people live; sure, send me your work some time or anytime. If you ever need it, My snail is: Tony Lanagan P.O.Box 190429 Dallas,TX 75219-0429 my best regards.... -----Original Message----- From: Tonya Harris <mtharris@ev1.net> To: J. A. Lanagan <lanagan@by-rite.net> Date: Friday, August 27, 1999 12:30 PM Subject: Re: hello to the readers of the Shelby site >First of all let me say, I loved your post. I'm printing it and saving it >for my Shelby County History section. I do want to ask if you are kin to >the Carrolls (Carroll Cemetery)? Most of my family there (Bivens) are >buried in it. I also have Metcalfs buried in Shelby County. My kin live >next to the cemetery (raise chickens), you may know them. Coleman Bivens >(sorry to say I don't know the wife's name, it's a shame). I am planning on >going back up to visit. I visited when I first started all this, but I had >no clue. If you'd like to know more about my family and who's in it (I have >a Carroll), let me know. I may have more of your family, but I'm just >working off of memory right now. Looking forward to hearing from you. > >Tonya Aultman-Harris >mtharris@ev1.net >Researching: Aultman (AR, TX, MS),Cox (TX, OK), Parker (LA, TX), Peyton >(MS) >----- Original Message ----- >From: J. A. Lanagan <lanagan@by-rite.net> >To: <TXSHELBY-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Friday, August 27, 1999 11:53 AM >Subject: hello to the readers of the Shelby site > > >> I'm Tony Lanagan and am a life long EAST TEXAN and proud of it although I >> have been transplanted to >> Dallas since 1987. I grew up in Pleasant Hill, Louisiana, Nacogdoches, >> Texas, Overton, Texas and Longview, Texas where I went to Pine Tree High >> School. I am a pharmacist and graduate of the University of Texas. >> >> I'm 'kin' to a lot of people in Shelby County or people emulating from >> there. My maternal grandmother, >> 'Miss' Onie Nelson was the last of us born in the county December 29, 1887 >> about 2 miles from the Sabine River. In 1901 or 1902, her family of two >> natural parents, five sisters and one brother and one son-in-law moved >> across the Louisiana line to Pelican, De Soto Parish. In her married >life, >> she lived 'ACROSS THE BORDER'--as it is known around East Texas--in Sabine >> Parish 3 miles west of Pleasant Hill, Louisiana but she never lost her >love >> of Shelby and her aunts, uncles and cousins over there. She transferred >this >> love of Shelby to all of us and I became a genealogist of sorts at the age >> of 8 or 10 years old around 1950 to 1952. I was always 'up' for a good >> story with some family based truth in it and still am. I even went to a >> 'singin' held by the Carroll family in Carrolltown in the early 1950's. >> >> It's a dad gum shame that they don't call you in like that anymore. It's >a >> detriment to the research of us all. >> >> When I first saw the Carroll Cemetary, it was white sand, picked clean of >> every blade of grass--as was the custom. So were a lot of the yards in >> Carrolltown at the homes of her cousins. >> >> Surprisingly, as young, unmarried people, my grandmother and her sisters >> could go in the buggy >> from Pelican, Louisiana, unchaperoned, but in small groups; spend the >night >> near the river at a relative's >> house on the Louisiana side, such as Uncle Malcomb >> Paul's; get up early the next day and go across on Myrick's Ferry to >Paul's >> Store, Carrolltown, Strongs, >> or the 'Neck'. Although she said she was born in Shelbyville, she just >said >> it as people who choose to say they're born in a bigger town than they >> were.--and Shelbyville was once famous enough that if you said that, >people >> knew where you were born. She was really born in the 'Neck' which is >short >> for 'Terrapin Neck' and in no way ashamed of it. This term was used since >> the origin of Shelby County to refer to a particular bend of the Sabine >> River. I have seen it referred to as the 'Neck' as early as 1862 in >letters >> from a Shelby County Confederate soldier. >> >> Miss Onie's mother was a Booth; Her grandmother was a Carroll and one of >her >> great grandmothers was a Paul and the other was a McClellan (but not of >the >> Shelby County McClellans); What's in a name? For her, it meant that her >> Scots-Irish ancestors, the Carrolls and McClellans of York County, South >> Carolina, had passed down enough heritage that they, years later in Shelby >> County, knew to give her a birth name of 'Iona' for the sacred island off >> the coast of Scotland, said to be the graveyard of the Scottish chieftans, >> including MacBeth. >> >> All of these early Shelby County ancestors lived and died in Shelby >County. >> All people descended from these original Shelby County settlers of the >first >> Booth, Paul and Carroll families are related to her including the huge >group >> of Pauls of Sabine Parish, Louisiana who are descended from Burton Paul, >> originally of Shelby County, Texas by way of Jones County, Georgia. >> >> My best researcher 'cousins' are Bill Carroll of Houston, Texas, Frances >> Lapp of Fort Worth, Texas, and Mrs. Mary Hancock of Georgia. I would like >> to publicly thank them. These people have been of invaluable help to me >and >> we still 'consult'. Frances is a Booth and Paul descendant and Bill and >> 'Miss Mary' work on the Carrolls. >> >> Fay Dobson, a CASSEL researcher has been of help to me as we have >ancestors >> buried in the Cassel Cemetary in Shelby County. >> >> 'Miss' Mattie Dellinger of Center, Texas--THE BEST NEWSPAPER COLUMN WRITER >> WE EVER HAD >> has been a great help to me as was Mr. J.B. Sanders who was one of the >first >> to try to save Shelby County's heritage. >> >> I used to spend hours with Mr. Sanders in the 1960's when no one seemed to >> care much about what he was doing. He knew about YOUR ancestors...as well >> as mine. We should all be grateful to him. I never once heard him try to >> tell me about HIS genealogy. He wanted to preserve what you knew and >wanted >> you to tell him what you found out about ANYTHING in the county. Thought >to >> be a little different or 'walking to the beat of a different drummer' by >the >> public, he was intelligent, had the fore thought to use a 4x5 camera to >> photograph documents not connected to him by blood, and then processed the >> film and prints himself in attempt to save it. Most likely, a lot of his >> material was probably destroyed, possibly even by librarians. >> >> I encourage you to work together, help one another, appreciate the people >> who do the "lookups" , and work on the cemetaries, and work on the web >> pages, mail you things without asking for postage re-imbursement, and who >> even do the small thing of taking the time to respond to YOUR e-mail. A >lot >> of the people that I write on the web who request that YOU respond to >THEIR >> plea won't even write back with a simple "I'm sorry, I'm not connected to >> that family. Good Luck in your search." >> >> And I say to you: Good luck in your search. >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Tony Lanagan >> >> >> >> > >