Velma Harvey married Elvin Sanders (b 1905), son of Marion Bee Sanders (1861) and Mary Elizabeth Welch (dau of unknown Welch and Sarah Wyatt(1840) Amanda Harvey (1838) married Willliam Hale Hereford (1809) who is the brother of Samuel Pearce (alias name) Herford that married Eliza Sanders, daughter of Charity Sanders. If you have the parents names of these Harvey's let me know. My Harvey contact is on vacation and I have to wait 'til she gets back to get more info on Harvey's. Pat >From: Jessicalyn02@aol.com >Reply-To: TXSANAUG-L@rootsweb.com >To: TXSANAUG-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [TXSANAUG] Re: sanders >Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 15:20:32 EDT >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from [207.40.200.39] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBEF1DF9500954136E81CCF28C827EABE0; Sun, 07 Jul 2002 12:20:54 -0700 >Received: (from slist@localhost)by lists2.rootsweb.com (8.12.4/8.12.4) id >g67JKY7E031049;Sun, 7 Jul 2002 13:20:34 -0600 >From TXSANAUG-L-request@rootsweb.com Sun, 07 Jul 2002 12:22:30 -0700 >Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 13:20:34 -0600 >X-Original-Sender: Jessicalyn02@aol.com Sun Jul 7 13:20:33 2002 >Message-ID: <8c.1ab1ac04.2a59ee80@aol.com> >Old-To: txsanaug-l@rootsweb.com >X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10516 >Resent-Message-ID: <mGac_D.A.7kH.CSJK9@lists2.rootsweb.com> >Resent-From: TXSANAUG-L@rootsweb.com >X-Mailing-List: <TXSANAUG-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/621 >X-Loop: TXSANAUG-L@rootsweb.com >Precedence: list >Resent-Sender: TXSANAUG-L-request@rootsweb.com > >I saw the name Harvey listed as branch and was wondering if you could tell >me >how yall r related to the harveys and there line. >thx, jessica bryan > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > Welch, Ishmael-McCann-Madden-Stubblefield-Brashier-Brashears- Morgan-Brent-Wyatt-Baxter-Hutto-Watson-Moore-Harmon-Brent-Ross _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

Hi Betty, There looks like two sets of Sanders/Saunders in San Augustine--so I'm trying to sort them out and see if/how they are related. lst Set John J. Saunders, wife Sally, children Frederick, James, Sarah Susan, Wm, Sarah J., Samuel H. and George W --on the 1850 census. Frederick and wife are on 1860 2nd Set Charity Sanders (husband not known)children: John Sanders m. l) Eliz. Thomas and 2) Amelia Ainsworth. The 1850 census showss John Elizabaeth and children John,Charity and Charles; and Eliza Sanders (dau of Charity) is on the 1850 census with husband Samuel Pearse (real name is Hereford). 3rd Set Millie Sanders (no husband), 37 S.C. with children Mary,Elizabeth, Harriet, Samuel, Ezekiel, Andrew, Elvira,Virginia;. QUESTION - how are these Sanders/Saunders related? The other point is the possibility that Charity Sanders (abt 1790 is connected to the Joel Sanders and Charity Holloway family in N.C.--as San Aug has Holloways in the same county with our Sanders/Saunders. We will have to trace our Sanders back and see if they point to that particular family. Could you tell me what line of Sanders you have and which one of the above you connect to and how far back you got. Maybe if we started putting this all together something might fit. There is a copy of the 1850 census of the San Augustine Co. GenWeb if you need to look at it. Pat >From: "Betty Stokes" <jstokes@houston.rr.com> >Reply-To: TXSANAUG-L@rootsweb.com >To: XSANAUG-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [TXSANAUG] John J. Sanders/Saunders and Sally - 1850 Census >San Augustine >Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 11:47:53 -0500 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from mc1-f10.law16.hotmail.com ([65.54.236.17]) by >mc1-s15.law16.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Sun, 7 Jul >2002 09:47:27 -0700 >Received: from lists2.rootsweb.com ([207.40.200.39]) by >mc1-f10.law16.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Sun, 7 Jul >2002 09:47:37 -0700 >Received: (from slist@localhost)by lists2.rootsweb.com (8.12.4/8.12.4) id >g67Glq72026083;Sun, 7 Jul 2002 10:47:52 -0600 >Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 10:47:52 -0600 >X-Original-Sender: jstokes@houston.rr.com Sun Jul 7 10:47:52 2002 >Message-ID: <003101c225d6$09ba7980$9f441b18@VPRMATRIX> >Old-To: <TXSANAUG-L@rootsweb.com> >References: <46.2a037e34.2a59bfa4@aol.com> >X-Priority: 3 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 >Resent-Message-ID: <OdgGbB.A.DXG.4CHK9@lists2.rootsweb.com> >Resent-From: TXSANAUG-L@rootsweb.com >X-Mailing-List: <TXSANAUG-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/620 >X-Loop: TXSANAUG-L@rootsweb.com >Precedence: list >Resent-Sender: TXSANAUG-L-request@rootsweb.com >Return-Path: TXSANAUG-L-request@rootsweb.com >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jul 2002 16:47:37.0085 (UTC) >FILETIME=[FFDED2D0:01C225D5] > >I have some connections to Sanders in San Augustine or Shelby Co., but just >to ones who were Watson descendants kinfolks from Coffee and Dale Co., AL. >I >noticed that she had an Elvin on her list and also a Holloway. Elvin is a >popular Watson (or Byrd) family name. Green Byrd's second wife was a >Holloway and they came to Shelby Co. after 1880 so there is probably no >connection. > >Betty > >----- Original Message ----- >From: <ViniL@aol.com> >To: <TXSANAUG-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 11:00 AM >Subject: Re: [TXSANAUG] John J. Sanders/Saunders and Sally - 1850 Census >San >Augustine > > > > It is not that unusual for ages to be inconsistent--sometimes the info >was > > given by a neighbor rather than someone actually in the family. Also, >you > > have the wrong year for the census. It was 1860 rather than 1870--this >is > > what I have: > > 1860 Census for San Augustine County Texas, page 354, Household 156: > > J. J. Sanders 61 Farmer $8,000 real estate $2,495 personal property Born >in > > VA > > Sarah Sanders 62 Born in North Carolina > > Susan Sanders 24 Born in South Carolina > > William Sanders 21 Born in Texas > > Sarah E. Sanders 13 Born in Texas > > In Household 158 is the family of F. W. Sanders 35 born in South >Carolina >who > > this researcher believes is a son of J.J. and Sarah Sanders. > > > > Sarah was Sarah Rowe, daughter of Joseph Rowe and Mary Ann Murrow. Let >me > > know if you need more info on this family-- > > > > Happy Hunting! > > > > Vinita Lynch Shaw > > vinil@aol.com > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy >records, >go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 Welch, Ishmael-McCann-Madden-Stubblefield-Brashier-Brashears- Morgan-Brent-Wyatt-Baxter-Hutto-Watson-Moore-Harmon-Brent-Ross _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/ElB.2ACE/57.150.155.300 Message Board Post: Do you know who Minerva Sanders parents were? Was she a daughter of James Jospeh Saunders? When are they in San Augustine on the census? Pat

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/ElB.2ACE/226.264 Message Board Post: Hi, Do you have anymore info on John Joseph Sanders and his siblings and parents? Would also like to get the names of the people his children married. Pat patwelch63@hotmail.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Saunders-Bodine-Rowe-Moore Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/ElB.2ACE/93.242.286.287.303 Message Board Post: I'm trying to trace the family of John Joseph Saunders, b. 1798 Va., d. 1870 San Augustine Tx and his wife Sally Rowe, b. 1798--married 1820 Caswell Co. N.C. Known children: 1. Mary Ann, b. 27 Aug 1821 N.C ..+Oliver Hazzard Perry Bodine 2. Frederick Washington, b. Jan 1825 S.C. ...+Winnie Jane Bodine 3. James 4. Sarah 5. Susan 6. William 7. Sarah J 8. Samuel H. 9. George w Could you let me knnow about your connection and if youhave any more on John Joseph Saunders siblings and parents. patwelch63@hotmail.com

In a message dated 7/7/2002 2:05:24 PM Mountain Daylight Time, patwelch63@hotmail.com writes: > > Would really appreciate the info you have on John J. Saunder's parents and > as far back as you have. Maybe we can find a link in this way. > > Will be glad to share what I have and work with you as we go along. > > Pat Welch > I only have on the Rowe family --nothing on the Sanders side. Do you still want the info I have.? I know what you mean about looking for them all. Happy Hunting! Vinita Lynch Shaw vinil@aol.com

I saw the name Harvey listed as branch and was wondering if you could tell me how yall r related to the harveys and there line. thx, jessica bryan

I'll send you what I have, but I don't think they are really connected. However, you never know. Betty ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patricia Welch" <patwelch63@hotmail.com> To: <TXSANAUG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 2:44 PM Subject: Re: [TXSANAUG] Re: sanders - Harvey - Hereford > > Velma Harvey married Elvin Sanders (b 1905), son of Marion Bee Sanders > (1861) and Mary Elizabeth Welch (dau of unknown Welch and Sarah Wyatt(1840) > > Amanda Harvey (1838) married Willliam Hale Hereford (1809) who is the > brother of Samuel Pearce (alias name) Herford that married Eliza Sanders, > daughter of Charity Sanders. > > If you have the parents names of these Harvey's let me know. My Harvey > contact is on vacation and I have to wait 'til she gets back to get more > info on Harvey's. > > Pat > >From: Jessicalyn02@aol.com > >Reply-To: TXSANAUG-L@rootsweb.com > >To: TXSANAUG-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: [TXSANAUG] Re: sanders > >Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 15:20:32 EDT > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >Received: from [207.40.200.39] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id > >MHotMailBEF1DF9500954136E81CCF28C827EABE0; Sun, 07 Jul 2002 12:20:54 -0700 > >Received: (from slist@localhost)by lists2.rootsweb.com (8.12.4/8.12.4) id > >g67JKY7E031049;Sun, 7 Jul 2002 13:20:34 -0600 > >From TXSANAUG-L-request@rootsweb.com Sun, 07 Jul 2002 12:22:30 -0700 > >Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 13:20:34 -0600 > >X-Original-Sender: Jessicalyn02@aol.com Sun Jul 7 13:20:33 2002 > >Message-ID: <8c.1ab1ac04.2a59ee80@aol.com> > >Old-To: txsanaug-l@rootsweb.com > >X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10516 > >Resent-Message-ID: <mGac_D.A.7kH.CSJK9@lists2.rootsweb.com> > >Resent-From: TXSANAUG-L@rootsweb.com > >X-Mailing-List: <TXSANAUG-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/621 > >X-Loop: TXSANAUG-L@rootsweb.com > >Precedence: list > >Resent-Sender: TXSANAUG-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > >I saw the name Harvey listed as branch and was wondering if you could tell > >me > >how yall r related to the harveys and there line. > >thx, jessica bryan > > > > > >============================== > >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > >go to: > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Welch, Ishmael-McCann-Madden-Stubblefield-Brashier-Brashears- > Morgan-Brent-Wyatt-Baxter-Hutto-Watson-Moore-Harmon-Brent-Ross > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

It is not that unusual for ages to be inconsistent--sometimes the info was given by a neighbor rather than someone actually in the family. Also, you have the wrong year for the census. It was 1860 rather than 1870--this is what I have: 1860 Census for San Augustine County Texas, page 354, Household 156: J. J. Sanders 61 Farmer $8,000 real estate $2,495 personal property Born in VA Sarah Sanders 62 Born in North Carolina Susan Sanders 24 Born in South Carolina William Sanders 21 Born in Texas Sarah E. Sanders 13 Born in Texas In Household 158 is the family of F. W. Sanders 35 born in South Carolina who this researcher believes is a son of J.J. and Sarah Sanders. Sarah was Sarah Rowe, daughter of Joseph Rowe and Mary Ann Murrow. Let me know if you need more info on this family-- Happy Hunting! Vinita Lynch Shaw vinil@aol.com

I have some connections to Sanders in San Augustine or Shelby Co., but just to ones who were Watson descendants kinfolks from Coffee and Dale Co., AL. I noticed that she had an Elvin on her list and also a Holloway. Elvin is a popular Watson (or Byrd) family name. Green Byrd's second wife was a Holloway and they came to Shelby Co. after 1880 so there is probably no connection. Betty ----- Original Message ----- From: <ViniL@aol.com> To: <TXSANAUG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 11:00 AM Subject: Re: [TXSANAUG] John J. Sanders/Saunders and Sally - 1850 Census San Augustine > It is not that unusual for ages to be inconsistent--sometimes the info was > given by a neighbor rather than someone actually in the family. Also, you > have the wrong year for the census. It was 1860 rather than 1870--this is > what I have: > 1860 Census for San Augustine County Texas, page 354, Household 156: > J. J. Sanders 61 Farmer $8,000 real estate $2,495 personal property Born in > VA > Sarah Sanders 62 Born in North Carolina > Susan Sanders 24 Born in South Carolina > William Sanders 21 Born in Texas > Sarah E. Sanders 13 Born in Texas > In Household 158 is the family of F. W. Sanders 35 born in South Carolina who > this researcher believes is a son of J.J. and Sarah Sanders. > > Sarah was Sarah Rowe, daughter of Joseph Rowe and Mary Ann Murrow. Let me > know if you need more info on this family-- > > Happy Hunting! > > Vinita Lynch Shaw > vinil@aol.com > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/ElB.2ACE/555.1 Message Board Post: P.S.-- Simpson Holloway, age 35 b. S.C. was the husband of Charlotte in this posting.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Holloway - Sanders - Clark - Cooper - Ferribee Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/ElB.2ACE/555 Message Board Post: I'm trying to find the ancestors of Charity Sanders and her descendants in San Augustine Co. and found this Quaker family that might have some clues that help. These are listed in familysearch.com--and also if you check the rootsweb Sanders archives 1. Joel Sanders, b. abt 1718 Wrightsboro, New Hanover N.C. d. 23 Jan 1782 New Hanover, N.C. m. abat 1743 N.C. ...+ Charity CLARK, b. 1722 New Hanover, N.C., d. 27 Jan 1782 New Hanover, N.C. She is dau of Thomas HOLLOWAY and Sarah. ......2. Sarah Sanders, b. 14 Jan 1767 New Hanover N.C. d. 17 Oct 1808 ...........+John Galbreath ......2. Joel Sanders, b. 19 Jan 1751 New Hanover N.C., d. 18 Sep 1819 Clinton Ohio ..........+Sarah Morgan ......2. John Sanders, b. 1 Feb 1748 New Hanover, N.C., d. 25 Nov 1811 Clinton Ohio. ...........+Massey Sims .....2. Lydia Sanders, b. 10 Mar 1753 New Hanover N.C. ..........+John Scott .....2. Dempsey Sanders, b. 13 Mar 1761 New Hanover N.C. .....2. Howell Sanders b. 19 Mar 1753 New Hanover N.C. d. 1782 Ga. ....2. Thomas Sanders, b. 21 Mar 1755 New Hanover NC, d. 3 Mar 1781 New Hanover N.C. ..........+Mary Robinson ....2. Benjamin Sanders, b. 18 May 1759 New Hanover N.C. d. 1828 ........+Mary Winslow ....2. Abraham Sanders, b. 10 Jun 1746 Nansemond Co. Va., d. 4 Mar 1822 Chatham Co.N.C. .......+Mary Morris ....2. Mordical, b. 13 Aug 1763 New Hanover N.C., d. 1817 Warren Ga. .........+Ann Battin ....2. Josiah Sanders 1761-1787 .........+Sarah Smith ....2. FERRIBEE SANDERS, b. 10 Sep 1764 New Hanover N.C., d. 28 Jul 1802 Carroll Ohio ........+Benjamin Cooper ...2. MARION SANDERS, b. 15 Sep 1756 New Hanover. I don't think he married. ------------ Charity Sanders had a grandson, Marion Bee Sanders --and this family has a MARION --the name "Ferribe" could have also been shortened to "Bee" Charity seems to be a Quaker name--but not necessarily--it is also possible that she and her husband were excommunited for something like using arms, etc ...oh well, in genealogy you have to use your imagination sometimes.... Second Point: The following Holloway families are on the 1850 San Augustine Co Census: #299 Daniel Holloway 48 S.C. Elizabeth 26 Tenn #51 Charlotte, Holloway 34, La Wm D. 16 Tx Aby 14 Tx Willis 12 Tx Malisay 10 Tx Jasper 8 Tx Martha 6 Tx Elizabeth 4 Tx David 2 Leland 1

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/ElB.2ACE/30.1 Message Board Post: Did you ever find out who Millie Sanders is? will list them on 1850 census: Millie 37 S.C. Mary 18 S.C. Elizabeth 16 Ga Harriet Ga Samuel 12 Ga Ezekiel 9 Al Andrew 8 Al Virginia 10/12 Tx They lived between Williams and Dresser families--Harvey - Hereford

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/ElB.2ACE/554 Message Board Post: Would like to identify this Sanders family: Something seems wrong with these ages (transcribed from original-) My 1870 copy is from the original 1850 San Augustine Co. #168/168 John J. Sanders 52 N.C. Sally 52 NS.C. Frederick 25 S.C. James 17 S.C. Sarah 14 S.C. Susan 14 S.C. Wm 12 Tx Sarah J. 4 1870 San Augustine Co. J.J.Sanders 61 Va Sarah 60 N.C. Susan 21 S.C. William 21 Tx. Sarah A. 18 Tx F.W. Sanders 35 L. C.? 28 Al Susan A4 Tx Washington 2 Tx Elvin 1 Tx Tx

Thank you so much. Sallie ----- Original Message ----- From: <RMan862582@aol.com> To: <TXSANAUG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [TXSANAUG] Re: BODINE - GUNNELS marriage info > I have she died July 1838. Don't have the cem. >

I have she died July 1838. Don't have the cem.

Thanks so much. Do you by chance have information on Pinkney Lout's mother, Lovica Anderson Lout Parmer, that you would be willing to share? I'm interested in learning exactly when she died and where she might be buried. One would think that she would be buried at the Rather Cemetery in Shelby Co., TX, but, I didn't see her there. Thanks, Sallie ----- Original Message ----- From: <RMan862582@aol.com> To: <TXSANAUG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [TXSANAUG] Re: BODINE - GUNNELS marriage info > Lovica Lout b. 1830 San Augustine, TX. Parents Pinkney (or Pinckney) Lout > and Elizabeth Bodine. She died in Shelby, Texas, 1906. >

Lovica Lout b. 1830 San Augustine, TX. Parents Pinkney (or Pinckney) Lout and Elizabeth Bodine. She died in Shelby, Texas, 1906.

Do you have any additional information on Lovica Lout, as to when she died and where buried? Thanks, Sallie ----- Original Message ----- From: <RMan862582@aol.com> To: <TXSANAUG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 6:40 PM Subject: Re: [TXSANAUG] Re: BODINE - GUNNELS marriage info > I have an Elizabeth Eaves m. to a Seb Jones. She is the dau of Lovica Lout > b. 1830 m. Wm. H. Eaves. >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Southwick Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ElB.2ACE/553 Message Board Post: Family has been searching for this person for years--the last this generation heard, John died about 1944---and that he lived in Eastern Texas. He left home as a young man (he was born in 1873) after 'words' with his father. Apparently he never returned to Illinois, supposedly he raised or procured horses and mules for the Army during WW1. I just found him on the 1920 Census living in San Augustine Co. in Precinct 3. The family would like to know did he marry? does he have descendants? Any information at all would help. Thank you, J E Southwick