Poly Gotch is the common name in Sabine County Texas for Palo Gaucho Bayou. This a large stream that flows into the Sabine River. My ancestor, Shadrach H. Morris came to Texas and secured a 1280 acre land grant where the Palo Gaucho Bayou flows into the Sabine River. The thriving steamboat town of Sabinetown was established here in the 1840s to 50s. With the advent of the railroads the steamboat era on the river was over. Shadrach received his land grant in 1835. Bettye Wagstaff

My ancestors came to Texas in 1822. According to information I was given they crossed the Sabine by ferry, traveled 12 miles and settled on the Poly Glotch (Glutch?) for awhile, then later went to Austin's Colony, got a land grant and later settled in Victoria. They came from Davidson County, TN originally. Does anyone know where and what the Poly Glotch was? I have been unable to find any mention of this place. All help will be appreciated.

I do not know what the fee was for the ferries, however for $2.50 you could travel by steamboat anywhere on the river, including the Red River, providing you were willing to sleep on the deck and take care of your horse, feed etc. There was a landing at Sabine Town. Charlie Royall

On James Gaines Deposition it stated that he moved to Tx. in 1812 & purschased the Ferry in the year of 1819 & owned the Ferry of until Nov.20, 1844 . There has been a boat or Flat always at Gaines Ferry since 1814. But at Crows& other ferries on the Sabine there were frequently no boats . His Boat was known as the "Paso del Chalan " . The Ferry was on the main road traveled from Nacogdoches & Natchitoches . Crows Ferry was frequently abandoned . The hauling for the troops was to the best of my recollection done on the Gaines Ferry Road . But the Gaines Ferry doesnot cross the Patoon . The Patoon is an uncommonally large bayou & in very high waters & was impossible to cross it until a bridge was built . James Gaines was nicknamed " Captain Colorado " by The Alabama & Coushatta Indians because of his stature , Red hair ,& red faced . This is noted in the Handbook of Texas Under James Gaines . Hope this will add to someones research concerning the area or James Gaines . Evelyn in Texas

In a message dated 3/29/00 7:33:44 AM Central Standard Time, wetterman@hotmail.com writes: << The Isaac Low family also ran a ferry across the Sabine river and were noted for doing so constantly during the Runaway Scrape (when Texans were running from Santa Anna's Army). >> Hi Ed & List, Isaac Low was one of my ancestors. So glad to see you mention his ferry. I have many ancestors buried in the Low Cemetery on the banks of Toledo Bend Reservoir. Anyone else reading this who is kin, contact me please. LaDarla Walker Keith gggrandaughter of Emily Elizabeth Low (married Charlton Hines) thru Amanda Elizabeth Hines (married James Madison Conner). My grandfather was James Robert E. Lee Conner, father of Doris Marguerite Conner, who married Robert Samuel Walker, (my parents).

James Gaines ( owner of the Ferry ) was also a signer of the Texas Declaration of Independence , Contributor to the Texas Constitution , Republic Senator , A decisive leader in the Freedonian Rebellion , postmaster , planter , Hotel in Bastrop, He was the owner the Rich Mt. Gaines Gold mine in California which is still producing Gold today .Gaines Co. , Texas is named for him . He bought a two story Dog Trot house for Edmund norris his Father in Law . It is on the Register of Historical Homes . It is Named the Gaines - Oplihint House Near Pendleton Bridge on HWY.^. It is the oldest standing log structure in the state ran by the Sons of the Republic of Texas . Hope this will help someone . Evelyn in Texas

Hi!, I just found my book, with some info. James and Edward Pendleton Gaines built the Gaines Ferry at the Camino Real crossing on the SAbine about 1805. They built the ferrying house about 1812. Until the ferry was built, some claim the first one was not a vehicular barge, but the crossing had to be negotiated over some large, squared stones that had been placed, probably by the Spenish in 1691, just above the site of the ferry. When James left the ferry in charge of his cousin Edward Pendleton Gaines, it became known was the Pendleton Ferry in about 1812. Kay McCary Kay Parker McCary, Milam, Sabine Co., TEXAS http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/m/c/c/Kay-P-McCary/index.html

Dear List, I sent this note to Don. If I find out I've given out incorrect info, I'll post it here. Kay ***************** Dear Don, I'll try to give you a little info, but I don't have the sources I need. This is from memory, and that's poor. I live in Milam which about that time was a thriving place. About 7 miles east of here was where the main ferry coming in to Texas was located. It was at one time the Gaines Ferry and another the Pendleton Ferry, at least I believe they were one in the same, just different operators. If you look on a map, you will see now where Hwy 21 (this is the road that follows the El Camino Real) crosses Toldeo Bend Lake, there is a 3 mile bridge that crosses the lake into Louisiana and becomes LA Hwy 6. On the Texas side where the bridge starts is right where the Ferry was. When they built a bridge, it was always know and is still known as Pendleton Bridge. I don't have any idea what the Ferry would have cost back then. There were other ferries into TX. My ggg grandfather operated a ferry for a while, but it was located in the southern part of the county near the Newton county line. There was also North of Milam the Carter's Ferry. But from what I understand the main one was the Gaines Ferry. If I find out any different, I'll let you know. I hope I haven't given you any misinformation. Kay McCary Kay Parker McCary, Milam, Sabine Co., TEXAS http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/m/c/c/Kay-P-McCary/index.html

<A HREF="http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/handbook/online/articles/view/GG/rtg1.html">C lick here: Handbook of Texas Online: GAINES FERRY or http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/handbook/online/articles/view/GG/rtg1.html</A>

If someone knows the answer to the question please post it to the list. Theophilus Hickman ran a ferry. I am unsure of the location of the ferry. Cheryl ColORRed@inconnect.com RootsLady wrote: > THIS IS A FORWARDED MESSAGE: > Respond Only to the Sender below!! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Donald Payne <Don.Payne@AccessOne.Com> > > Subject: {not a subscriber} Sabine River crossing > > > My g-g-g-grandfather Thomas Payne arrived in the Sabine District with wife > Esther and six children in 1834 traveling from Talladega Co., AL.. At some > point he had to cross the Sabine River, I presume, by ferry. Can someone > tell me where the ferry was located, who may have operated it, and the cost > in those days to cross the river? > > > > Don Payne > > Federal Way, WA > >

THIS IS A FORWARDED MESSAGE: Respond Only to the Sender below!! ----- Original Message ----- From: Donald Payne <Don.Payne@AccessOne.Com> To: <TXSABINE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 27, 2000 11:32 PM Subject: {not a subscriber} Sabine River crossing > My g-g-g-grandfather Thomas Payne arrived in the Sabine District with wife Esther and six children in 1834 traveling from Talladega Co., AL.. At some point he had to cross the Sabine River, I presume, by ferry. Can someone tell me where the ferry was located, who may have operated it, and the cost in those days to cross the river? > > Don Payne > Federal Way, WA >

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Hello, I am researching the following sir names in Sabine Co.: WILSON, SPEIGHTS and KING Ellen King ubhistorynut@aol.com Arcadia, CA

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Virginia: With the exception of one line who came to Texas in 1851, my families migrated to Texas after the War of Northern Agression. Their homes and land were destroyed and they came to Texas for better farmland or economic opportunity. Interesting discussion. Thanks for the sharing your information. Best regards, Pat Landwehr Researching CLEGG and WILLIAMS in Sabine, San Augustine and Tyler Counties

Thank you, I will keep that tidbit of info. It is things like that, that help us in our search. I had one lady tell me her ansestors moved so much, it was like they were running from something. I think usually they were running to something. Free or cheap land and a way to make a living. I have also noticed quit a migration to Texas from southern states within the years before the Civil War. I think some of them were trying to take their property, including slaves to safty. Virginia Brown >From: Charles & Nancy Royall <cnroyall@wcc.net> >Reply-To: cnroyall@wcc.net >To: TXSABINE-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [TXSABINE-L] 1816 Year of no summer >Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 15:05:48 -0600 > > >I am going to pass on a tidbit of Info >1816: The year without a summer > >As a result of the eruption of Mt. Tambour Volcano in >Java 1815, 12,000 >island residents lost their lives. The Volcano is also >to blame for an unusual weather pattern the following year in North >America, resulting in mass migrations of people trying to avoid the >ensuing climatic changes. > >The summer of 1816 was unusually cold, with killing >frosts and even snowfall destroying crops throughout the United States. >June and July were the coldest months, 19 states had snowfall in >June! There were no fall harvests; animals and people starved; wild >animals >ravaged the frontier. Not understanding the meteorological causes, >people blamed the wrath of God for their hardships. Some, destitute >and despondent, committed suicide. > >By 1817 the climate had returned to normal. However, >many had moved to warmer parts of the country and numerous farmers left >for the cities to go into industrial work. > >If you have no explanation for why your ancestor may >have migrated or you can not determine exactly when it happened just >sometime around 1815-1820 consider that this event may have been the >cause. > >from the Jefferson Co. Genealogical Society Newsletter, >Jefferson City, >TN. Feb. 1995 > >Charlie > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

I am going to pass on a tidbit of Info 1816: The year without a summer As a result of the eruption of Mt. Tambour Volcano in Java 1815, 12,000 island residents lost their lives. The Volcano is also to blame for an unusual weather pattern the following year in North America, resulting in mass migrations of people trying to avoid the ensuing climatic changes. The summer of 1816 was unusually cold, with killing frosts and even snowfall destroying crops throughout the United States. June and July were the coldest months, 19 states had snowfall in June! There were no fall harvests; animals and people starved; wild animals ravaged the frontier. Not understanding the meteorological causes, people blamed the wrath of God for their hardships. Some, destitute and despondent, committed suicide. By 1817 the climate had returned to normal. However, many had moved to warmer parts of the country and numerous farmers left for the cities to go into industrial work. If you have no explanation for why your ancestor may have migrated or you can not determine exactly when it happened just sometime around 1815-1820 consider that this event may have been the cause. from the Jefferson Co. Genealogical Society Newsletter, Jefferson City, TN. Feb. 1995 Charlie

I am searching for information about my grandfather Freeman Lister Lathan Sr. He was born approximately 1912, in Sabine County, TX. He married my grandmother Merlessa Brown in Nacogdoches, TX. Thanks for your assistance. Freeman L. Lathan III flathan@ak.net

J. B. Sanders Cemetery Book has this listing: Fannie Bell King 24 Jun 1873 18 Dec 1952 in Myrtle Springs Cemetery Hope this helps. Kay Kay Parker McCary, Milam, Sabine Co., TEXAS http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/m/c/c/Kay-P-McCary/index.html

Hello again, Can anyone help me with information on my great-grandmother Fannie Bell King. She lived in Geneva - I know where she is buried but not the date - perhaps in the 1950s. Thank you for your assistance. Ellen King