Great stuff Tom! Sometimes I just ask dad what it was like during the depression or WWII to see what he can remember. For a young guy like me (31), it is a real treat to hear others talk about the "good ole days" (my grandfather always said the good ole days weren't really that great, hehe). I enjoy hearing about days gone by when life was a little simplier, but just as complicated, if you know what I mean. The main reason for my reply is something that you mentioned in your notes, The Star Banners. I always wondered why this tradition ended after WWII and wasn't used during the Korean or Vietnam conflicts, I guess because they were so unpopular. Last week though on the local news here in DFW, there was a segment talking about this tradition being revived. In fact, they are selling them faster than they can make them in some cases. There was even a custom ordered 4 star banner being shown for a family here in Ft Worth. The parents were interviewed and they showed their 3 daughters and 1 son, which are ALL in and around Iraq right now. I think it is great that this has come back and I hope it really catches on again. This not also shows us the sacrifices that certain families make, it makes us remember what others are going through when we think everything is ok. Our country has a long way to go to get back to the times of pride and diginity of the WWII era and maybe this is just a small step there. May the Lord protect our troops and comfort those left behind, which often get overlooked... BTW, I had two uncles in WWII and both came home, one was a Jap. POW for 3 years. He was part of the Lost Battalion. He was born in Bagwell. Drew On Sat, 29 Mar 2003 10:55:55 -0600 "Tom Watson DDS" <tom_watson_dds@hotmail.com> wrote: > All:I was Sitting here in front of my comp. and missing >all my Red River >County Buddies. I sometimes have quite times ,when I >don't write much, but I am always reading what's going >on. > All this war talk on TV,etc. got me to thinking about >the kids. I wondered >how they were feeling about all the talk and TV coverage. >When I was a small boy(yes, Jim I was small at one >time)during WWII I remember having a lot of different >feelings but none of them was fear. I remember my >Cornett, Watson and Peak uncles coming home on leave and >how happy my Grandparents were to see them but I also >remember seeing them cry when the time came for them to >leave. It was hard for me to see my Grandmothers cry. >They weren't supposed to cry. They were the ones who >helped us through our crying times. I'm sure my >Grandfathers cried also but they did it privately. > I remember many things that were very interesting to >me during those >days,some I am seeing again now. During that war the >families who had loved ones in the service, men and >women, would display a little banner in a front window of >their house. There would be a blue star on the banner for >each service member representing that family. Gold stars >meant that a loved one had made the supreme sacrifice for >their country. I remember how sad it made me to see those >gold stars. My brother and I would always look for the >stars while we rode around town. My mother ,Elouise >Watson, Worked at the Hub during the war. This was after >it had burned and they were in another building in the >middle of the block on the North side of the square. The >store had a unique payment system. The cashier was >located up stairs and to make a payment the sales person >would send the sales ticket and money to them in a little >cop attached to a wire that went up to the second floor. >THe sales person would pull a lever and the cup would >slid up the wire. The cashier would take transaction, put >the change and receipt in the cup and send it back >downstairs. When Mother would be getting ready for work >in the morn. we would want her to play but she said she >couldn't be late for work or they would fire her. With >all that talk about war I thought they would machine gun >her;therefore, I was always worried that she would be >late. > Seems like every boy had a pilots cap. These were >either leather or >canvas, had a buckle under the chin, covered your ears, >and had goggles. I finally got a canvas one and boy did I >think I was HOT! I remember the ration books and the lack >of some items in the stores. I think that was when >margarine first came out and it was white until you mixed >in the yellow coloring that came in a little package with >it. I remember that when you had a flat you would either >use a cold patch or a hot patch to fix it. Tires couldn't >be bought so there was a lot of patching going on. I >remember that we had to pull all the shades at night to >cause a black out of the town. Seems like there were >people with white helmets and an arm band that would come >tell you to pull your blinds if they were not. > After the war there was military surplus >everywhere,even in the A@P. They >sold back packs, helmets, boots, and canteens. > Well, that's enough of my ramblin. I just thought we >needed to be aware >of the children at this critical time....They do notice >things and feel our stress. > By the way, our house never displayed a GOLD STAR. All >my uncles came >home...wearing PURPLE HEARTS:SgtMaj.Artice V.Watson > Sgt. Benton Cornett > Sgt. Lloyd Cornett > Sgt. Thomas Cornett > Sgt. W.W. Peak > > Have a great RED RIVER TYPE DAY!!! > Tom > Heath TX > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>From: "Jim Giddens" <jimg@cox-internet.com> >>Reply-To: TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com >>To: TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com >>Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Paradise >>Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 22:22:56 -0600 >> >>I remember a Cavender family at Fulbright when I was >>dating my wife Sue >>(from Fulbright). I am sure Sam knows them well. >> >>Sam, do you know Loren & Mae Cremeen Hackler of >>Paris/Lamar Point. Mae >>is a sister to my mother-in-law. >>Mae is very sick and will probably not last much longer. >> They have >>stopped all foods and upped the morphine to every 2 >>hours. Mae's twice >>sister Faye married Glen Chesshir. >>Jim Giddens >>Paris, Tx >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: <drew-slate@charter.net> >>To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 9:14 PM >>Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Paradise >> >> >>> Thanks. After looking over the index of Red River >>>Recollections I >>figured >>> the spelling was different. It appeared to me that her >>>name was >>misspelled >>> on the marriage license. >>> I did see the other name on the 1920 census and will >>>have to look around >>in >>> it and the 1930. Of course, this would be 15 yrs after >>>the marriage and >>her >>> family could be gone at that time. I really need to see >>>if there is >>> anything in the 1900 census. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Drew Slate >>> Fort Worth, Tx >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "sam embrey" <sembrey@cox-internet.com> >>> To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 9:01 PM >>> Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Paradise >>> >>> >>> > Sarah & Drew, I wanted to say something about the >>>spelling of Cavenar, >>> > because of all the mail I handled in Red River County, >>>I don't ever >>> remember >>> > seeing that name, and I see very few Red River County >>>names that I did >>not >>> > see in one way or the other, however, there are many, >>>many Cavenders >>in >>> This >>> > area. The one that has the Western Wear Stores came >>>from these >>Cavenders, >>> so >>> > you might give that a try. >>> > Sam >>> > Paris >>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > From: "Sarah Ragsdill" <rags@koyote.com> >>> > To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> >>> > Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 8:13 PM >>> > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Paradise >>> > >>> > >>> > > Drew, >>> > > >>> > > They are on the 1930 census Prec. 4, also you might >>>check the >>spelling >>> on >>> > > Cavenar there are Cavnar's in Red River County. >>> > > >>> > > Sarah >>> > > Sulphur Springs >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > > From: <drew-slate@charter.net> >>> > > To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> >>> > > Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 11:41 PM >>> > > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Paradise >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > > Hello again, >>> > > > >>> > > > Well, our great friends the Dales have come >>>through again for me. >>I >>> > have >>> > > > the marriage record of Alonzo and Willie, but >>>don't know the >>family >>> name >>> > > of >>> > > > Willie. >>> > > > >>> > > > Alonzo Paradise married Willie Cavenar on 24 NMay >>>1904 in RRCo >>TX >>> Book >>> > L >>> > > > pqge 110 >>> > > > >>> > > > Anyone ever come across the name CAVENAR in Red >>>River before? I >>did >>a >>> > > > search on the website and got nothing. I haven't >>>looked in >>> > > RRRecollections >>> > > > yet. There are none listed in the 1920 census >>>either. I haven't >>> > checked >>> > > > the 1910 yet. >>> > > > >>> > > > I appreciate any help or leads. >>> > > > >>> > > > Drew Slate >>> > > > Fort Worth, Tx >>> > > > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > > > From: <drew-slate@charter.net> >>> > > > To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> >>> > > > Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 10:37 PM >>> > > > Subject: [TXREDRIV] Paradise >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > > Hello all, >>> > > > > >>> > > > > Glad to hear everyone is still ok and staying >>>warm. I will be >>> > praying >>> > > > for ya Sam and your speedy recovery. >>> > > > > >>> > > > > Got a question for everyone. Anyone related to >>>or researched >>the >>> > > surname >>> > > > Paradise? I am specifically looking for >>>information on the >>Paradise >>> > > > brothers(3 of them) and their families in Bagwell >>>from about >>> 1900-1930. >>> > > One >>> > > > of the brothers, AF or "Boss" was married to a >>>lady named Willie. >>> This >>> > > > family was two doors down from my grandparents in >>>1920 and Boss' >>> brother >>> > > JT >>> > > > was next door to my GUncle William H Love. >>> > > > > >>> > > > > I have reason to believe that Willie is a >>>sister of some kind >>to >>my >>> > > > grandfather Slate. I am not sure what the >>>connection is but need >>to >>> > find >>> > > > out more about her and her maiden family. Any >>>help would be >>> > appreciated. >>> > > > > >>> > > > > Thanks, >>> > > > > >>> > > > > Drew Slate >>> > > > > Fort Worth, Tx >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > ============================== >>> > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion >>>online genealogy >>> > > records, >>> > > > go to: >>> > > > > >>>http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >>> > > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > ============================== >>> > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion >>>online genealogy >>> > records, >>> > > go to: >>> > > > >>>http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >>> > > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > ============================== >>> > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion >>>online genealogy >>> records, >>> > go to: >>> > > >>>http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ============================== >>> > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online >>>genealogy >>records, >>> go to: >>> > >>>http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >>> > >>> >>> >>> ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== >>> >>> >>> >>> ============================== >>> To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online >>>genealogy >>records, >>go to: >>> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >>> >> >> >>==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== >> >> >> >>============================== >>To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online >>genealogy records, go to: >>http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > >==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online >genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

My dad's brother was in WWII and came home to Blanton Creek in a box after the war had ended. I was very young but I well remember the military funeral and the 21 gun salute that was fired over his grave. My dad was just a little too old to go in the military himself. Sharon Stephens Black Paris, TX

I have a hunch my people were so poor at Hopewell in Red River County, they did not notice the depression. Jim Giddens Paris, Tx ----- Original Message ----- From: "DREW SLATE" <drew-slate@charter.net> To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 1:30 PM Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Red River Cty War Memories > Great stuff Tom! Sometimes I just ask dad what it was > like during the depression or WWII to see what he can > remember. For a young guy like me (31), it is a real > treat to hear others talk about the "good ole days" (my > grandfather always said the good ole days weren't really > that great, hehe). I enjoy hearing about days gone by > when life was a little simplier, but just as complicated, > if you know what I mean. > > The main reason for my reply is something that you > mentioned in your notes, The Star Banners. I always > wondered why this tradition ended after WWII and wasn't > used during the Korean or Vietnam conflicts, I guess > > > > > >