Thanks Jim, The creek location makes sense. The Roberts family was in the White Rock area at least part of the time. Some are buried at White Rock Cemetery. I appreciate your reply. Jo Arkansas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Giddens" <jimg@cox-internet.com> To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 2:58 PM Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV]Manchester & Caney Creek > Jo, > In case Sam is out for a bit, I will jump in here. Manchester is > northeast of Detroit about 15 miles. You can go north out of Detroit on FM > 410 about 8 to 10 miles to the Woodland area then take FM 195 east about 6 > miles to Manchester. The road is a little tricky at that split in the road. > FM 195 takes a northern route and FM 2118 to the southeast will take you to > Tuggle Springs. Both road will get you back to State Hwy 37. 2118 at > Negley and 195 at Ablion area just at the Red River. > Caney Creek is in the northeast section of the county between White Rock > and English. My map show the creek running to the northeast and crossing > FM 1699 about 3 or 4 miles east of White Rock, then it continues winding > northward until it dumps into the Pecan Bayou at a point about 2 miles east > of the northern tip of the original land grant of my Giddens ancestors. I > have heard for many years about the Caney Well community and always thought > it must be in the area of Caney Creek. > Have a good one. > Jim Giddens > Paris, Tx > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JO COX" <jocox@arkansas.net> > To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 12:30 PM > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Joseph Wortham in RR Co > > > > Thanks Sam, Joseph and his wife Lettie lived in the Manchester area. I > > don't know if that is the same area as Detriot or not. I appreciate the > > answer. > > > > Can you tell me in what part of the county I would find Caney Creek? I > > remember my Dad talking about fishing there when he was growing up. > > Jo > > Arkansas > > > > > > > > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > Visit Red River County GenWeb site http://www.rootsweb.com/~txredriv > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Jo, I recall the Roberts family name well from the Hopewell are in my boyhood days, but never really knew them. Mostly just heard my grandpa Watson and my parents speak of them I have a old picture of a Mr Tom Watson and his wife and small boy. Wife's name is hard to make out but it could be Reva and the little boy (just the top of his head in the picture) is David. Not date on the picture, but it could be I expect from 1910 to 1930. There are 5 Roberts buried at Concord. The information below has a few dates, places and marriages that may be of help to you. There are also several Roberts graves at Concord (just west of White Rock), I sprayed week killer on them just last week. The name that sounds most familiar is Charlie O. Roberts 1889 to 1972. born in Annona, son of Mr & Mrs C.B. Roberts, married Francis _______, died in Santa Anna, Ca. (buried at Concord). Beside him is Lucy L Roberts 1888 to 1938.. Records of Jolly Funeral Home ( Clarksville) show name asLucy Luthira and burial charged to Charlie Roberts.. (beside Lucy is Bertha A . Tidwell 1911 to 1936) I don't know the connection to the Tidwell family, but according to the obit of Lula Mae Tidwell (1928-1945), the Tidwell family had formerly lived at Concord). Lula at age 15 died with 3 others in a car crash east of Annona in 1945. The other dead are also listed and the two injured. The other 3 dead are Thomas Lee White, 17, Betty Jane Higgins, 16 (sister to a friend of mine) and J.E. Ford, 23. The injured were Billy Joe Alfrod and Ruthie Lee Tidwell. Orvel D Roberts 1929 to 1933, son of Charley & Lucy Leatherwood Roberts, resident of English, according to records of Jolly Funeral Home. Lois Roberts Schmidt, 1927 to 1990, wife mother and grandmother. Obit has name as Lois Helen, birth in Slaton, Tx, a daughter of Charlie O. and Lucy Roberts, married Donald Schmidt on 11 Feb 1945 in Santa Ana, Ca. place of death not given. ----- Original Message ----- From: "JO COX" <jocox@arkansas.net> To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV]Manchester & Caney Creek > Thanks Jim, The creek location makes sense. The Roberts family was in the > White Rock area at least part of the time. Some are buried at White Rock > Cemetery. > I appreciate your reply. > > Jo > Arkansas > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Giddens" <jimg@cox-internet.com> > To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 2:58 PM > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV]Manchester & Caney Creek > > > > Jo, > > In case Sam is out for a bit, I will jump in here. Manchester is > > northeast of Detroit about 15 miles. You can go north out of Detroit on > FM > > 410 about 8 to 10 miles to the Woodland area then take FM 195 east about > 6 > > miles to Manchester. The road is a little tricky at that split in the > road. > > FM 195 takes a northern route and FM 2118 to the southeast will take you > to > > Tuggle Springs. Both road will get you back to State Hwy 37. 2118 at > > Negley and 195 at Ablion area just at the Red River. > > Caney Creek is in the northeast section of the county between White Rock > > and English. My map show the creek running to the northeast and crossing > > FM 1699 about 3 or 4 miles east of White Rock, then it continues winding > > northward until it dumps into the Pecan Bayou at a point about 2 miles > east > > of the northern tip of the original land grant of my Giddens ancestors. > I > > have heard for many years about the Caney Well community and always > thought > > it must be in the area of Caney Creek. > > Have a good one. > > Jim Giddens > > Paris, Tx > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "JO COX" <jocox@arkansas.net> > > To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 12:30 PM > > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Joseph Wortham in RR Co > > > > > > > Thanks Sam, Joseph and his wife Lettie lived in the Manchester area. I > > > don't know if that is the same area as Detriot or not. I appreciate the > > > answer. > > > > > > Can you tell me in what part of the county I would find Caney Creek? I > > > remember my Dad talking about fishing there when he was growing up. > > > Jo > > > Arkansas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, > > go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > Visit Red River County GenWeb site http://www.rootsweb.com/~txredriv > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Jim, Thank you so much. Firstoff, you mentioned a picture of Tom Watson. Did you mean Tom Roberts? Might not be the same one, but Tom Roberts was my Great Grandfather, Born 1855. He died about 1905 or so. Charlie O Roberts is one of mine, married to Lucy Litheria Lemons, but I had no childrens names. By the way, his father was O.B. not C.B Roberts. Charlie O. Roberts had a brother named Orval, but I have no date of birth or death for him. Did you get this information from the Dale cemetery Book? I really want to get one of those!! Thanks again, so much. This really fills in some holes for me. Jo Cox Arkansas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Giddens" <jimg@cox-internet.com> To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 4:30 PM Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV]Roberts family and a car crash > Jo, > I recall the Roberts family name well from the Hopewell are in my boyhood > days, but never really knew them. > Mostly just heard my grandpa Watson and my parents speak of them > I have a old picture of a Mr Tom Watson and his wife and small boy. Wife's > name is hard to make out but it could be Reva and the little boy (just the > top of his head in the picture) is David. Not date on the picture, but it > could be I expect from 1910 to 1930. > There are 5 Roberts buried at Concord. > The information below has a few dates, places and marriages that may be of > help to you. > There are also several Roberts graves at Concord (just west of White Rock), > I sprayed week killer on them just last week. The name that sounds most > familiar is Charlie O. Roberts 1889 to 1972. born in Annona, son of Mr & > Mrs C.B. Roberts, married Francis _______, died in Santa Anna, Ca. (buried > at Concord). > Beside him is Lucy L Roberts 1888 to 1938.. Records of Jolly Funeral > Home ( Clarksville) show name asLucy Luthira and burial charged to Charlie > Roberts.. (beside Lucy is Bertha A . Tidwell 1911 to 1936) > I don't know the connection to the Tidwell family, but according to the > obit of Lula Mae Tidwell (1928-1945), the Tidwell family had formerly lived > at Concord). Lula at age 15 died with 3 others in a car crash east of > Annona in 1945. The other dead are also listed and the two injured. The > other 3 dead are Thomas Lee White, 17, Betty Jane Higgins, 16 (sister to a > friend of mine) and J.E. Ford, 23. The injured were Billy Joe Alfrod and > Ruthie Lee Tidwell. > > Orvel D Roberts 1929 to 1933, son of Charley & Lucy Leatherwood Roberts, > resident of English, according to records of Jolly Funeral Home. > > Lois Roberts Schmidt, 1927 to 1990, wife mother and grandmother. Obit has > name as Lois Helen, birth in Slaton, Tx, a daughter of Charlie O. and Lucy > Roberts, married Donald Schmidt on 11 Feb 1945 in Santa Ana, Ca. place of > death not given. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JO COX" <jocox@arkansas.net> > To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 3:00 PM > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV]Manchester & Caney Creek > > > > Thanks Jim, The creek location makes sense. The Roberts family was in the > > White Rock area at least part of the time. Some are buried at White Rock > > Cemetery. > > I appreciate your reply. > > > > Jo > > Arkansas > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jim Giddens" <jimg@cox-internet.com> > > To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 2:58 PM > > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV]Manchester & Caney Creek > > > > > > > Jo, > > > In case Sam is out for a bit, I will jump in here. Manchester is > > > northeast of Detroit about 15 miles. You can go north out of Detroit > on > > FM > > > 410 about 8 to 10 miles to the Woodland area then take FM 195 east > about > > 6 > > > miles to Manchester. The road is a little tricky at that split in the > > road. > > > FM 195 takes a northern route and FM 2118 to the southeast will take you > > to > > > Tuggle Springs. Both road will get you back to State Hwy 37. 2118 > at > > > Negley and 195 at Ablion area just at the Red River. > > > Caney Creek is in the northeast section of the county between White > Rock > > > and English. My map show the creek running to the northeast and > crossing > > > FM 1699 about 3 or 4 miles east of White Rock, then it continues > winding > > > northward until it dumps into the Pecan Bayou at a point about 2 miles > > east > > > of the northern tip of the original land grant of my Giddens ancestors. > > I > > > have heard for many years about the Caney Well community and always > > thought > > > it must be in the area of Caney Creek. > > > Have a good one. > > > Jim Giddens > > > Paris, Tx > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "JO COX" <jocox@arkansas.net> > > > To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 12:30 PM > > > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Joseph Wortham in RR Co > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Sam, Joseph and his wife Lettie lived in the Manchester area. > I > > > > don't know if that is the same area as Detriot or not. I appreciate > the > > > > answer. > > > > > > > > Can you tell me in what part of the county I would find Caney Creek? > I > > > > remember my Dad talking about fishing there when he was growing up. > > > > Jo > > > > Arkansas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > records, > > > go to: > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > Visit Red River County GenWeb site http://www.rootsweb.com/~txredriv > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, > > go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >