Bob, I have never actually left the FM hwy, but have had it pointed out as being down this particular dirt road about 1/4 mile and in the pasture as you said. Next time I am driving close to the area, I will have a look. Maybe Sam or someone has a more exact pin point to the spot and maybe info about the marker. There is a historical marker on the house as you probably know. Was this Mrs Moore living in the old Garner House? If not, who is. I have taken pictures of the house and there seemed to be people living there but I did not see any. Thanks for you input. Jim G ----- Original Message ----- From: "PRISCILLA MERRIMAN" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 10:05 AM Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Obit: Ancestor to V.P. Garner > FROM: Bob Merriman > > Jim, > I wrote a story for the Paris paper six or so years back about the > birthplace of VP Garner. I went to the site, where there is a marker put up > by the Texas Historical Commission. The marker is in a pasture and was lying > face down. I was there only one time, so I don't know if the marker has been > put back up or not. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Giddens" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 9:24 PM > Subject: Fw: [TXREDRIV] Obit: Ancestor to V.P. Garner > > > > Thanks to Sam for privately showing me I read the obit too fast. > > Garner III is actually listed as a cousin to Mrs Moore. > > Sue and I just last night drove past where the V.P. was born own our way > > back from Fulbright were we visited her aunt, Marie Massey after visiting > > in Clarksville. > > Instead of going into Detroit, we drove FM 194 to Blossom. When we > drove > > up into Blossom I was tried to show the Garner "city" home to my wife. > > Dah, I just figure out now, I was in Blossom, not Detroit. I told > > Sue, it must be on the next street over. I knew where I was but just > had > > a senior moment. Good laugh on me. > > Jim G > > p.s. Sam is the nicest of guys. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "sam embrey" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 6:02 PM > > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Obit: Ancestor to V.P. Garner > > > > > > > Jim, I knew this lady and her family all my life, and I believe that the > > > John Garner III is her cousin, rather than her grandson. > > > Sam > > > Paris > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jim Giddens" <[email protected]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 12:31 PM > > > Subject: [TXREDRIV] Obit: Ancestor to V.P. Garner > > > > > > > > > > (I don't recall knowing this lady, but it is interesting that she is > > the > > > > last living relative of V.P. Garner living in Detroit, Tx and she has > a > > a > > > > grandson John Nance Garner III living in Denton, Tx. > > > > > > > > Jim G) > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > > ____ > > > > > > > > Evelyn B. Moore > > > > > > > > Published November 27, 2005 Paris News > > > > > > > > CLARKSVILLE - Evelyn B. Moore, 90, of Detroit passed away Friday, Nov. > > 25, > > > > 2005, at her residence. She was the last living relative in the > Detroit > > > > area of Vice President John Nance Garner. > > > > > > > > Services are set for 3 p.m. Sunday, Nov. 27, at First Christian Church > > in > > > > Detroit with the Rev. Larry Seary officiating under the direction of > > > > Clarksville Funeral Home. Burial follows in Detroit Cemetery. > > > > > > > > The body will lie in state at First Christian Church from 1 to 3 p.m. > > > > Sunday. > > > > > > > > She was born July 6, 1915, in Detroit, the daughter of Thad and Maude > > > > Garner Blair. She attended Detroit schools and Texas Women's > University > > in > > > > Denton. She married Fred Warren Moore on Oct. 17, 1936. She worked as > a > > > > secretary to the elementary principal in Detroit for 22 years. She was > a > > > > member of First Christian Church. > > > > > > > > She was preceded in death by her parents; one brother, Garner Lee > Blair; > > > > husband, Fred Moore; and a daughter, Margot Garner Moore Cryer. > > > > > > > > She is survived by two grandsons, Warren and Garner Lee Cryer of > Dallas; > > > > three cousins, Betty Pendley of Austin, John Nance Garner III of > Denton > > > > and Sarah Publicover of Dallas. > > > > > > > > Pallbearers are Gary Stuart, James Miller, Jack Tucker, Dale Miller, > Dr. > > > > Ralph Brown and Weldon "Billy" Martin. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > > > > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your > ancestors > > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > > > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&ta > > rgetid=5429 > > > > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > ============================== > > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > > > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

Jim, I know exactly where the marker is, but have not seen it in quite awhile. I'm not even sure who owns the land where it is now. Also, I was just thinking that as you drove on Highway 194, you were very close to the old Jefferson Stage line. I remember walking to school on this road in 1941, and beside the road, just inside the Lamar County line was an old building that was once a stage office building. Of course, it was already in a very run down condition at this time, but you could still see the old building and some of the pens they fed and kept the horses in. I'm not sure how much of it I could still trace, but I can trace it almost to Clarksville. As for the Garner house, I remember Mrs. Moore's mother, Mrs. Maude Blair, living there with the Moore's, but I don't think anyone else has lived in the house. At least, for the last 71 years. Sam Paris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Giddens" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Obit: Ancestor to V.P. Garner > Bob, > I have never actually left the FM hwy, but have had it pointed out as > being > down this particular dirt road about 1/4 mile and in the pasture as you > said. Next time I am driving close to the area, I will have a look. > Maybe Sam or someone has a more exact pin point to the spot and maybe info > about the marker. > There is a historical marker on the house as you probably know. > Was this Mrs Moore living in the old Garner House? If not, who is. I > have taken pictures of the house and there seemed to be people living > there > but I did not see any. > Thanks for you input. > Jim G > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "PRISCILLA MERRIMAN" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 10:05 AM > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Obit: Ancestor to V.P. Garner > > >> FROM: Bob Merriman >> >> Jim, >> I wrote a story for the Paris paper six or so years back about the >> birthplace of VP Garner. I went to the site, where there is a marker put > up >> by the Texas Historical Commission. The marker is in a pasture and was > lying >> face down. I was there only one time, so I don't know if the marker has > been >> put back up or not. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jim Giddens" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 9:24 PM >> Subject: Fw: [TXREDRIV] Obit: Ancestor to V.P. Garner >> >> >> > Thanks to Sam for privately showing me I read the obit too fast. >> > Garner III is actually listed as a cousin to Mrs Moore. >> > Sue and I just last night drove past where the V.P. was born own our >> > way >> > back from Fulbright were we visited her aunt, Marie Massey after > visiting >> > in Clarksville. >> > Instead of going into Detroit, we drove FM 194 to Blossom. When we >> drove >> > up into Blossom I was tried to show the Garner "city" home to my wife. >> > Dah, I just figure out now, I was in Blossom, not Detroit. I > told >> > Sue, it must be on the next street over. I knew where I was but >> > just >> had >> > a senior moment. Good laugh on me. >> > Jim G >> > p.s. Sam is the nicest of guys. >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "sam embrey" <[email protected]> >> > To: <[email protected]> >> > Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 6:02 PM >> > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Obit: Ancestor to V.P. Garner >> > >> > >> > > Jim, I knew this lady and her family all my life, and I believe that > the >> > > John Garner III is her cousin, rather than her grandson. >> > > Sam >> > > Paris >> > > ----- Original Message ----- >> > > From: "Jim Giddens" <[email protected]> >> > > To: <[email protected]> >> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 12:31 PM >> > > Subject: [TXREDRIV] Obit: Ancestor to V.P. Garner >> > > >> > > >> > > > (I don't recall knowing this lady, but it is interesting that she > is >> > the >> > > > last living relative of V.P. Garner living in Detroit, Tx and she > has >> a >> > a >> > > > grandson John Nance Garner III living in Denton, Tx. >> > > > >> > > > Jim G) >> > > > >> > > > >> > >> > ____________________________________________________________________________ >> > ____ >> > > > >> > > > Evelyn B. Moore >> > > > >> > > > Published November 27, 2005 Paris News >> > > > >> > > > CLARKSVILLE - Evelyn B. Moore, 90, of Detroit passed away Friday, > Nov. >> > 25, >> > > > 2005, at her residence. She was the last living relative in the >> Detroit >> > > > area of Vice President John Nance Garner. >> > > > >> > > > Services are set for 3 p.m. Sunday, Nov. 27, at First Christian > Church >> > in >> > > > Detroit with the Rev. Larry Seary officiating under the direction >> > > > of >> > > > Clarksville Funeral Home. Burial follows in Detroit Cemetery. >> > > > >> > > > The body will lie in state at First Christian Church from 1 to 3 > p.m. >> > > > Sunday. >> > > > >> > > > She was born July 6, 1915, in Detroit, the daughter of Thad and > Maude >> > > > Garner Blair. She attended Detroit schools and Texas Women's >> University >> > in >> > > > Denton. She married Fred Warren Moore on Oct. 17, 1936. She worked > as >> a >> > > > secretary to the elementary principal in Detroit for 22 years. She > was >> a >> > > > member of First Christian Church. >> > > > >> > > > She was preceded in death by her parents; one brother, Garner Lee >> Blair; >> > > > husband, Fred Moore; and a daughter, Margot Garner Moore Cryer. >> > > > >> > > > She is survived by two grandsons, Warren and Garner Lee Cryer of >> Dallas; >> > > > three cousins, Betty Pendley of Austin, John Nance Garner III of >> Denton >> > > > and Sarah Publicover of Dallas. >> > > > >> > > > Pallbearers are Gary Stuart, James Miller, Jack Tucker, Dale >> > > > Miller, >> Dr. >> > > > Ralph Brown and Weldon "Billy" Martin. >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > ============================== >> > > > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, > find >> > > > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: >> > > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > ============================== >> > > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your >> ancestors >> > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: >> > >> > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&ta >> > rgetid=5429 >> > >> > >> > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== >> > >> > >> > >> > ============================== >> > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >> > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >> > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >> > >> > >> >> >> >> ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== >> >> >> >> ============================== >> Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >> areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >> Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

Sam, I did not mention it earlier because it is in Lamar Co, but about a year ago I was driving this same Hwy 194 but in the neighborhood of where you say the stagecoach building was, off to the north I spotted a small cemetery about 100 yards. I climbed the fence and took some pictures of several grave markers. One was about 12 ft tall. I forget the names on them. Probably about 8 to 12 graves with a cast iron fence around it that had recently be cleared and pushed off to the side. There was barbed wire around the cemetery but I could step over it on one side. I thought it was interesting but know nothing about it. I wonder if the stagecoach office could be related some how. Of course the Knights of Honor Cemetery is on up the road next to Blossom. Jim G ----- Original Message ----- From: "sam embrey" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 5:03 PM Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Obit: Ancestor to V.P. Garner > Jim, I know exactly where the marker is, but have not seen it in quite > awhile. I'm not even sure who owns the land where it is now. Also, I was > just thinking that as you drove on Highway 194, you were very close to the > old Jefferson Stage line. I remember walking to school on this road in 1941, > and beside the road, just inside the Lamar County line was an old building > that was once a stage office building. Of course, it was already in a very > run down condition at this time, but you could still see the old building > and some of the pens they fed and kept the horses in. I'm not sure how much > of it I could still trace, but I can trace it almost to Clarksville. As for > the Garner house, I remember Mrs. Moore's mother, Mrs. Maude Blair, living > there with the Moore's, but I don't think anyone else has lived in the > house. At least, for the last 71 years. > Sam > Paris > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Giddens" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 11:01 AM > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Obit: Ancestor to V.P. Garner > > > > Bob, > > I have never actually left the FM hwy, but have had it pointed out as > > being > > down this particular dirt road about 1/4 mile and in the pasture as you > > said. Next time I am driving close to the area, I will have a look. > > Maybe Sam or someone has a more exact pin point to the spot and maybe info > > about the marker. > > There is a historical marker on the house as you probably know. > > Was this Mrs Moore living in the old Garner House? If not, who is. I > > have taken pictures of the house and there seemed to be people living > > there > > but I did not see any. > > Thanks for you input. > > Jim G > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "PRISCILLA MERRIMAN" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 10:05 AM > > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Obit: Ancestor to V.P. Garner > > > > > >> FROM: Bob Merriman > >> > >> Jim, > >> I wrote a story for the Paris paper six or so years back about the > >> birthplace of VP Garner. I went to the site, where there is a marker put > > up > >> by the Texas Historical Commission. The marker is in a pasture and was > > lying > >> face down. I was there only one time, so I don't know if the marker has > > been > >> put back up or not. > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Jim Giddens" <[email protected]> > >> To: <[email protected]> > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 9:24 PM > >> Subject: Fw: [TXREDRIV] Obit: Ancestor to V.P. Garner > >> > >> > >> > Thanks to Sam for privately showing me I read the obit too fast. > >> > Garner III is actually listed as a cousin to Mrs Moore. > >> > Sue and I just last night drove past where the V.P. was born own our > >> > way > >> > back from Fulbright were we visited her aunt, Marie Massey after > > visiting > >> > in Clarksville. > >> > Instead of going into Detroit, we drove FM 194 to Blossom. When we > >> drove > >> > up into Blossom I was tried to show the Garner "city" home to my wife. > >> > Dah, I just figure out now, I was in Blossom, not Detroit. I > > told > >> > Sue, it must be on the next street over. I knew where I was but > >> > just > >> had > >> > a senior moment. Good laugh on me. > >> > Jim G > >> > p.s. Sam is the nicest of guys. > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "sam embrey" <[email protected]> > >> > To: <[email protected]> > >> > Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 6:02 PM > >> > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Obit: Ancestor to V.P. Garner > >> > > >> > > >> > > Jim, I knew this lady and her family all my life, and I believe that > > the > >> > > John Garner III is her cousin, rather than her grandson. > >> > > Sam > >> > > Paris > >> > > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > > From: "Jim Giddens" <[email protected]> > >> > > To: <[email protected]> > >> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 12:31 PM > >> > > Subject: [TXREDRIV] Obit: Ancestor to V.P. Garner > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > (I don't recall knowing this lady, but it is interesting that she > > is > >> > the > >> > > > last living relative of V.P. Garner living in Detroit, Tx and she > > has > >> a > >> > a > >> > > > grandson John Nance Garner III living in Denton, Tx. > >> > > > > >> > > > Jim G) > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > >> > ____ > >> > > > > >> > > > Evelyn B. Moore > >> > > > > >> > > > Published November 27, 2005 Paris News > >> > > > > >> > > > CLARKSVILLE - Evelyn B. Moore, 90, of Detroit passed away Friday, > > Nov. > >> > 25, > >> > > > 2005, at her residence. She was the last living relative in the > >> Detroit > >> > > > area of Vice President John Nance Garner. > >> > > > > >> > > > Services are set for 3 p.m. Sunday, Nov. 27, at First Christian > > Church > >> > in > >> > > > Detroit with the Rev. Larry Seary officiating under the direction > >> > > > of > >> > > > Clarksville Funeral Home. Burial follows in Detroit Cemetery. > >> > > > > >> > > > The body will lie in state at First Christian Church from 1 to 3 > > p.m. > >> > > > Sunday. > >> > > > > >> > > > She was born July 6, 1915, in Detroit, the daughter of Thad and > > Maude > >> > > > Garner Blair. She attended Detroit schools and Texas Women's > >> University > >> > in > >> > > > Denton. She married Fred Warren Moore on Oct. 17, 1936. She worked > > as > >> a > >> > > > secretary to the elementary principal in Detroit for 22 years. She > > was > >> a > >> > > > member of First Christian Church. > >> > > > > >> > > > She was preceded in death by her parents; one brother, Garner Lee > >> Blair; > >> > > > husband, Fred Moore; and a daughter, Margot Garner Moore Cryer. > >> > > > > >> > > > She is survived by two grandsons, Warren and Garner Lee Cryer of > >> Dallas; > >> > > > three cousins, Betty Pendley of Austin, John Nance Garner III of > >> Denton > >> > > > and Sarah Publicover of Dallas. > >> > > > > >> > > > Pallbearers are Gary Stuart, James Miller, Jack Tucker, Dale > >> > > > Miller, > >> Dr. > >> > > > Ralph Brown and Weldon "Billy" Martin. > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > ============================== > >> > > > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, > > find > >> > > > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > >> > > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > ============================== > >> > > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your > >> ancestors > >> > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > >> > > >> > > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&ta > >> > rgetid=5429 > >> > > >> > > >> > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > ============================== > >> > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > >> > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > >> > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > >> > >> > >> > >> ============================== > >> Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > >> areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > >> Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > ============================== > > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > > > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx