Jim, The line you mention with the hash marks...could it possibly be a railroad? That sounds like a railroad system on most maps I have. Maybe it was a possible railroad line that wasn't ever built or a preliminary path that was changed? If I remember right, Old Shamrock Cemetery isn't to far from the old Robbinsville township. I don't recall off the top of my head who was buried there, but I seem to remember some Crockett relatives in it. I believe that Davey Crockett's family stayed with Becknell's group at one time before heading west to Hood County. Thanks, Drew Slate Ft Worth, Tx ---- Jim Giddens <jimgidd@suddenlink.net> wrote: > I am looking at the map I have by the General Land Office. It clearly > shows the John Robbins land plot. It show the Robbins plot does Not cover > the area where the road-side park is today. This is on Beckenell land. > The John Robbins lands start on the west edge of the CR 2106 on this lay > over map. The southeast point (corner) of Robbin's land is where 2106 and > US 82 meet. Robbins boundary runs from this point due north about 2+ > miles and due west close to 2 miles. It is a pure rectangle. Scatter > Creek runs northwestward through Robbins land. The old 82 from Bagwell to > Detroit runs across the Robbins land with about 1/3 of his land being to > the north of 82. The new 82 that bypasses Bagwell (or the old stage line > maybe) runs across the lower southwest corner of the Robbins land. > I wish this map explained what all the roads on this map actually are. > This map shows what appear to me to be the new 82 that bypasses Bagwell but > it is dated as being drawn up in 1935 my the Land Office. Maybe the roads > were updated on the map at a much later date. > Strange: a curving line with hash marks across it about every 1/2 inch on > the 2ft x 3 ft map. The line transverses the county. On east side of the > county it run primarily about a mile south of the present day 82. It runs > thru > Clarksville then makes a straight line northwestward and runs about 1/4 > mile south of Bagwell. It continues west northward and makes a smooth > curve going back southward and runs southwestward about a mile north of > Detroit. It continues southwestward. This line runs west northwestward > across the far north end of Becknell's land and barley clips the northeast > corner of Robbins land. Maybe you would have to see it to grasp it. > BTW, the Bluff Cemetery is on the Robbins plot. > Seems strange that Robbins would place his township in the corner of his > large section of land. Maybe it was to be close to Becknell people for > protection etc. > Jim Giddens > Paris, Tx > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Howison" <jhowison@suddenlink.net> > To: <txredriv@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 4:23 PM > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Location of Robinsonville > > > >I think Jim is right that Scatter Creek was the initial source of water for > > the Robbins family, and that it continued to be the source of water for > > livestock. I believe you can take it as given that as soon as they had a > > roof they improvised a cistern for human use. They would also have looked > > for the closest dowser to tell them where to dig a well, as even large > > cisterns could become a bit rank, or even be emptied, in time of prolonged > > drought. > > > > "Col.." John Robbins, son of Nathaniel Robbins, and husband of Cynthia > > Humphreys Robbins took a headright in his own name and participated in > > another that was obtained in the name of his father-in-law by Humphrey's > > heirs. John Robbins, for whom Robbinsville took its name, would almost > > certainly have contrived to have the town on his headright, so a headright > > map such as the one at the Tax District office would provide a reliable > > indication of the town's whereabouts. Robbins was an aggressive, > > thigh-slapping individual of inordinate ambition (he tried to get the > > Republic of Texas to locate the projected Dallas-toward-the-US highway to > > be > > sited along a Robbins turning-row). Robbins came to the area with the > > "Nathaniel Robbins Party,' in 1818. His name appears in several surviving > > issues of the Northern Standard- > > > > ---- Original Message ----- > > From: "Cynthia Samples" <samples@1starnet.com> > > To: "Jim Giddens" <jimgidd@suddenlink.net>; <txredriv@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 3:22 PM > > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Location of Robinsonville > > > > > >> My mother told me that the roadside park on Hwy 82 was in just about the > >> exact location of the old Robbinsville School. All the old timers called > >> that general area Robbinsville, but there is nothing left. I remember > >> when > >> there were lots of houses there. There are none now. > >> > >> Cynthia > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Jim Giddens" <jimgidd@suddenlink.net> > >> To: <txredriv@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 2:30 PM > >> Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Location of Robinsonville > >> > >> > >>> Robbinsville is basically at the intersection of US 82 and CR 2106 > >>> (county > >>> road) that runs north to Bagwell This put it about 1/4 mile east of > >>> where > >>> Ward Creek run into Scatter. It is not certain to me the pin point > >>> location. I feel certain that Scatter Creek (or Ward) was their water > >>> supply. Just east of the intersection at 82 about 1/4 mile is a road > >>> side park, maybe this was the actually location. > >>> However, I have found what remains of a couple of grave marker, up CR > >>> 2106 > >>> about 1/4 to 1/2 mile, on your left (west side) about 100 feet before > >>> you > >>> reach a corral and about 50 to 80 feet from the fence in the pasture. > >>> This land is owned by ______Somerville and his wife Connie. The > >>> remains > >>> are only a base ( with a slot in it) that held the slab type marker. > >>> All > >>> the markers were carried about some years back (maybe 80). These > >>> remains > >>> is all of Robbinsville that is left that I know anything of. > >>> William Becknell is buried in a pasture about 200 feet south of US > >>> 82, > >>> about a mile or so east of the mentioned road side park. Some have > >>> referred to this cemetery as the Robbinsville Cemetery, but that is > >>> not > >>> where Robbinsville was. > >>> When the railroad came in about 2 miles north of Robbinsville, it was > >>> only a short time until the community moved to the railroad and became > >>> Bagwell. > >>> FYI: up north on the Ward Creek, Cool Creek from Bagwell runs into > >>> it. > >>> Also, Robbinsville will be about 7 miles west of Clarksville on 82. > >>> Jim Giddens > >>> Paris, Tx > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "Gary Pinkerton" <gpinkerton@gt.rr.com> > >>> To: "RootsWeb - Red River County" <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> > >>> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 1:41 PM > >>> Subject: [TXREDRIV] Location of Robinsonville > >>> > >>> > >>>> Anyone know the location of old Robinsonville in Red River County? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Gary Pinkerton > >>>> > >>>> www.trammelstrace.org > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ------------------------------- > >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>>> TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>> TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message