I think the person who can tell you all this is Mr. Moore at Old Shamrock.  He has a huge map of the old area and showed it to us.  He mentioned Scatter Creek and he has a lot of information about the area.  He is about 85 years old but he knows a lot about the families buried at Old Shamrock. -----Original Message----- From: drew-slate@charter.net To: txredriv@rootsweb.com; Jim Giddens <jimgidd@suddenlink.net> Sent: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 5:08 pm Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Location of Robinsonville Jim, The line you mention with the hash marks...could it possibly be a railroad? hat sounds like a railroad system on most maps I have. Maybe it was a possible ailroad line that wasn't ever built or a preliminary path that was changed? If I remember right, Old Shamrock Cemetery isn't to far from the old obbinsville township. I don't recall off the top of my head who was buried here, but I seem to remember some Crockett relatives in it. I believe that avey Crockett's family stayed with Becknell's group at one time before heading est to Hood County. Thanks, rew Slate t Worth, Tx ---- Jim Giddens <jimgidd@suddenlink.net> wrote: I am looking at the map I have by the General Land Office. It clearly shows the John Robbins land plot. It show the Robbins plot does Not cover the area where the road-side park is today. This is on Beckenell land. The John Robbins lands start on the west edge of the CR 2106 on this lay over map. The southeast point (corner) of Robbin's land is where 2106 and US 82 meet. Robbins boundary runs from this point due north about 2+ miles and due west close to 2 miles. It is a pure rectangle. Scatter Creek runs northwestward through Robbins land. The old 82 from Bagwell to Detroit runs across the Robbins land with about 1/3 of his land being to the north of 82. The new 82 that bypasses Bagwell (or the old stage line maybe) runs across the lower southwest corner of the Robbins land. I wish this map explained what all the roads on this map actually are. This map shows what appear to me to be the new 82 that bypasses Bagwell but it is dated as being drawn up in 1935 my the Land Office. Maybe the roads were updated on the map at a much later date. Strange: a curving line with hash marks across it about every 1/2 inch on the 2ft x 3 ft map. The line transverses the county. On east side of the county it run primarily about a mile south of the present day 82. It runs thru Clarksville then makes a straight line northwestward and runs about 1/4 mile south of Bagwell. It continues west northward and makes a smooth curve going back southward and runs southwestward about a mile north of Detroit. It continues southwestward. This line runs west northwestward across the far north end of Becknell's land and barley clips the northeast corner of Robbins land. Maybe you would have to see it to grasp it. BTW, the Bluff Cemetery is on the Robbins plot. Seems strange that Robbins would place his township in the corner of his large section of land. Maybe it was to be close to Becknell people for protection etc. Jim Giddens Paris, Tx ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Howison" <jhowison@suddenlink.net> To: <txredriv@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 4:23 PM Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Location of Robinsonville >I think Jim is right that Scatter Creek was the initial source of water for > the Robbins family, and that it continued to be the source of water for > livestock. I believe you can take it as given that as soon as they had a > roof they improvised a cistern for human use. They would also have looked > for the closest dowser to tell them where to dig a well, as even large > cisterns could become a bit rank, or even be emptied, in time of prolonged > drought. > > "Col.." John Robbins, son of Nathaniel Robbins, and husband of Cynthia > Humphreys Robbins took a headright in his own name and participated in > another that was obtained in the name of his father-in-law by Humphrey's > heirs. John Robbins, for whom Robbinsville took its name, would almost > certainly have contrived to have the town on his headright, so a headright > map such as the one at the Tax District office would provide a reliable > indication of the town's whereabouts. Robbins was an aggressive, > thigh-slapping individual of inordinate ambition (he tried to get the > Republic of Texas to locate the projected Dallas-toward-the-US highway to > be > sited along a Robbins turning-row). Robbins came to the area with the > "Nathaniel Robbins Party,' in 1818. His name appears in several surviving > issues of the Northern Standard- > > ---- Original Message ----- > From: "Cynthia Samples" <samples@1starnet.com> > To: "Jim Giddens" <jimgidd@suddenlink.net>; <txredriv@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 3:22 PM > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Location of Robinsonville > > >> My mother told me that the roadside park on Hwy 82 was in just about the >> exact location of the old Robbinsville School. All the old timers called >> that general area Robbinsville, but there is nothing left. I remember >> when >> there were lots of houses there. There are none now. >> >> Cynthia >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jim Giddens" <jimgidd@suddenlink.net> >> To: <txredriv@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 2:30 PM >> Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Location of Robinsonville >> >> >>> Robbinsville is basically at the intersection of US 82 and CR 2106 >>> (county >>> road) that runs north to Bagwell This put it about 1/4 mile east of >>> where >>> Ward Creek run into Scatter. It is not certain to me the pin point >>> location. I feel certain that Scatter Creek (or Ward) was their water >>> supply. Just east of the intersection at 82 about 1/4 mile is a road >>> side park, maybe this was the actually location. >>> However, I have found what remains of a couple of grave marker, up CR >>> 2106 >>> about 1/4 to 1/2 mile, on your left (west side) about 100 feet before >>> you >>> reach a corral and about 50 to 80 feet from the fence in the pasture. >>> This land is owned by ______Somerville and his wife Connie. The >>> remains >>> are only a base ( with a slot in it) that held the slab type marker. >>> All >>> the markers were carried about some years back (maybe 80). These >>> remains >>> is all of Robbinsville that is left that I know anything of. >>> William Becknell is buried in a pasture about 200 feet south of US >>> 82, >>> about a mile or so east of the mentioned road side park. Some have >>> referred to this cemetery as the Robbinsville Cemetery, but that is >>> not >>> where Robbinsville was. >>> When the railroad came in about 2 miles north of Robbinsville, it was >>> only a short time until the community moved to the railroad and became >>> Bagwell. >>> FYI: up north on the Ward Creek, Cool Creek from Bagwell runs into >>> it. >>> Also, Robbinsville will be about 7 miles west of Clarksville on 82. >>> Jim Giddens >>> Paris, Tx >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Gary Pinkerton" <gpinkerton@gt.rr.com> >>> To: "RootsWeb - Red River County" <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 1:41 PM >>> Subject: [TXREDRIV] Location of Robinsonville >>> >>> >>>> Anyone know the location of old Robinsonville in Red River County? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Gary Pinkerton >>>> >>>> www.trammelstrace.org >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. 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I found it on 1870 GLO map in SE corner of Robbins survey. I'll try to plot it on current map later. If anyone is interested in that image, send me an off-list email and I'll forward when I get it done. I can take a photo of the map placement too. I mistakenly called it Robinsonville, when it was shown as Robbinsville. Thanks for all the help, everyone. Gary Pinkerton www.trammelstrace.org -----Original Message----- From: txredriv-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:txredriv-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of nanareb@aol.com Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 6:07 PM To: txredriv@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Location of Robinsonville I think the person who can tell you all this is Mr. Moore at Old Shamrock.  He has a huge map of the old area and showed it to us.  He mentioned Scatter Creek and he has a lot of information about the area.  He is about 85 years old but he knows a lot about the families buried at Old Shamrock. -----Original Message----- From: drew-slate@charter.net To: txredriv@rootsweb.com; Jim Giddens <jimgidd@suddenlink.net> Sent: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 5:08 pm Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Location of Robinsonville Jim, The line you mention with the hash marks...could it possibly be a railroad? hat sounds like a railroad system on most maps I have. Maybe it was a possible ailroad line that wasn't ever built or a preliminary path that was changed? If I remember right, Old Shamrock Cemetery isn't to far from the old obbinsville township. I don't recall off the top of my head who was buried here, but I seem to remember some Crockett relatives in it. I believe that avey Crockett's family stayed with Becknell's group at one time before heading est to Hood County. Thanks, rew Slate t Worth, Tx ---- Jim Giddens <jimgidd@suddenlink.net> wrote: I am looking at the map I have by the General Land Office. It clearly shows the John Robbins land plot. It show the Robbins plot does Not cover the area where the road-side park is today. This is on Beckenell land. The John Robbins lands start on the west edge of the CR 2106 on this lay over map. The southeast point (corner) of Robbin's land is where 2106 and US 82 meet. Robbins boundary runs from this point due north about 2+ miles and due west close to 2 miles. It is a pure rectangle. Scatter Creek runs northwestward through Robbins land. The old 82 from Bagwell to Detroit runs across the Robbins land with about 1/3 of his land being to the north of 82. The new 82 that bypasses Bagwell (or the old stage line maybe) runs across the lower southwest corner of the Robbins land. I wish this map explained what all the roads on this map actually are. This map shows what appear to me to be the new 82 that bypasses Bagwell but it is dated as being drawn up in 1935 my the Land Office. Maybe the roads were updated on the map at a much later date. Strange: a curving line with hash marks across it about every 1/2 inch on the 2ft x 3 ft map. The line transverses the county. On east side of the county it run primarily about a mile south of the present day 82. It runs thru Clarksville then makes a straight line northwestward and runs about 1/4 mile south of Bagwell. It continues west northward and makes a smooth curve going back southward and runs southwestward about a mile north of Detroit. It continues southwestward. This line runs west northwestward across the far north end of Becknell's land and barley clips the northeast corner of Robbins land. Maybe you would have to see it to grasp it. BTW, the Bluff Cemetery is on the Robbins plot. Seems strange that Robbins would place his township in the corner of his large section of land. Maybe it was to be close to Becknell people for protection etc. Jim Giddens Paris, Tx ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Howison" <jhowison@suddenlink.net> To: <txredriv@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 4:23 PM Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Location of Robinsonville >I think Jim is right that Scatter Creek was the initial source of water for > the Robbins family, and that it continued to be the source of water for > livestock. I believe you can take it as given that as soon as they had a > roof they improvised a cistern for human use. They would also have looked > for the closest dowser to tell them where to dig a well, as even large > cisterns could become a bit rank, or even be emptied, in time of prolonged > drought. > > "Col.." John Robbins, son of Nathaniel Robbins, and husband of Cynthia > Humphreys Robbins took a headright in his own name and participated in > another that was obtained in the name of his father-in-law by Humphrey's > heirs. John Robbins, for whom Robbinsville took its name, would almost > certainly have contrived to have the town on his headright, so a headright > map such as the one at the Tax District office would provide a reliable > indication of the town's whereabouts. Robbins was an aggressive, > thigh-slapping individual of inordinate ambition (he tried to get the > Republic of Texas to locate the projected Dallas-toward-the-US highway to > be > sited along a Robbins turning-row). Robbins came to the area with the > "Nathaniel Robbins Party,' in 1818. His name appears in several surviving > issues of the Northern Standard- > > ---- Original Message ----- > From: "Cynthia Samples" <samples@1starnet.com> > To: "Jim Giddens" <jimgidd@suddenlink.net>; <txredriv@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 3:22 PM > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Location of Robinsonville > > >> My mother told me that the roadside park on Hwy 82 was in just about the >> exact location of the old Robbinsville School. All the old timers called >> that general area Robbinsville, but there is nothing left. I remember >> when >> there were lots of houses there. There are none now. >> >> Cynthia >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jim Giddens" <jimgidd@suddenlink.net> >> To: <txredriv@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 2:30 PM >> Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Location of Robinsonville >> >> >>> Robbinsville is basically at the intersection of US 82 and CR 2106 >>> (county >>> road) that runs north to Bagwell This put it about 1/4 mile east of >>> where >>> Ward Creek run into Scatter. It is not certain to me the pin point >>> location. I feel certain that Scatter Creek (or Ward) was their water >>> supply. Just east of the intersection at 82 about 1/4 mile is a road >>> side park, maybe this was the actually location. >>> However, I have found what remains of a couple of grave marker, up CR >>> 2106 >>> about 1/4 to 1/2 mile, on your left (west side) about 100 feet before >>> you >>> reach a corral and about 50 to 80 feet from the fence in the pasture. >>> This land is owned by ______Somerville and his wife Connie. The >>> remains >>> are only a base ( with a slot in it) that held the slab type marker. >>> All >>> the markers were carried about some years back (maybe 80). These >>> remains >>> is all of Robbinsville that is left that I know anything of. >>> William Becknell is buried in a pasture about 200 feet south of US >>> 82, >>> about a mile or so east of the mentioned road side park. Some have >>> referred to this cemetery as the Robbinsville Cemetery, but that is >>> not >>> where Robbinsville was. >>> When the railroad came in about 2 miles north of Robbinsville, it was >>> only a short time until the community moved to the railroad and became >>> Bagwell. >>> FYI: up north on the Ward Creek, Cool Creek from Bagwell runs into >>> it. >>> Also, Robbinsville will be about 7 miles west of Clarksville on 82. >>> Jim Giddens >>> Paris, Tx >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Gary Pinkerton" <gpinkerton@gt.rr.com> >>> To: "RootsWeb - Red River County" <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 1:41 PM >>> Subject: [TXREDRIV] Location of Robinsonville >>> >>> >>>> Anyone know the location of old Robinsonville in Red River County? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Gary Pinkerton >>>> >>>> www.trammelstrace.org >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. 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