Joyce: A DNA match shows that the two of you have a common ancestor, BUT it does not tell you where that match is. It may very well be before the 1850 when all names of a famnily were listed, or several generation further back. But you can bet the farm there is a connection somewhere. Paul Dafft On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 11:06:33 -0600 txredriv-request@rootsweb.com writes: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Census Records Question (Joyce A King) > 2. Re: Census Records Question (Pam Arnold) > 3. Re: Census Records Question (NANAREB@aol.com) > 4. Re: Census Records Question (Carol or Billy) > 5. Re: Census Records Question (Pam Arnold) > 6. Jim Roberts (Beverly Presson) > 7. Re: Jim Roberts (steve harris) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 09:34:53 -0500 > From: Joyce A King <jkin467@juno.com> > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Census Records Question > To: txredriv@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <20070610.093454.-193141.8.jkin467@juno.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > A lady and I have connected our gr grandparents through a DNA > project, > however, through years of searching and every different spelling of > their > names, we have never found them on a census record anywhere--I even > hired > a professional to do the census check and he couldn't find anything > - so, > my question is, why would there be people that never show up on a > census > record? Has anyone else had this problem? Were the census records > so > inaccurate that this could happen? Anyone have any opinions on > this? > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 09:42:33 -0500 > From: "Pam Arnold" <pparnold@earthlink.net> > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Census Records Question > To: <txredriv@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <NIBBJMNLIECDKAOKFMIFCEGDHAAA.pparnold@earthlink.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > My husband's great grandparents never show up - I think they are in > the > smeared unreadable lines, they didn't answer the door, the census > taker > couldn't understand them and called them the Joneses, they moved > every time > there was a census and they were on the road. They were invisible! > > To make up for it I do have 2 great uncles that are counted twice in > 1900 - > once at home and once on the relatives farm where they were > working. > > Try working backwards - death/cemetery records, land records, > marriage, > newspapers, church records, etc. > > Good luck. > > Pam > > > > > > A lady and I have connected our gr grandparents through a DNA > project, > however, through years of searching and every different spelling of > their > names, we have never found them on a census record anywhere--I even > hired > a professional to do the census check and he couldn't find anything > - so, > my question is, why would there be people that never show up on a > census > record? Has anyone else had this problem? Were the census records > so > inaccurate that this could happen? Anyone have any opinions on > this? > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 10:48:19 EDT > From: NANAREB@aol.com > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Census Records Question > To: txredriv@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <ca9.1100041d.339d6933@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" > > > > In a message dated 6/10/07 9:41:25 AM Central Daylight Time, > pparnold@earthlink.net writes: > > My husband's great grandparents never show up - I think they are in > the > smeared unreadable lines, they didn't answer the door, the census > taker > couldn't understand them and called them the Joneses, they moved > every time > there was a census and they were on the road. They were invisible! > > Or the census taker misspelled their names so badly it doesn't hit > when you > spell it correctly. My grandmother's name was Genevieve, but on one > census, > the census taker put her down as Jennie V. > > > .??-.?.-??. (`'?.?(`'?.? ?.?'?)?.?'?) .??-.?.-??. > `?. .?? ?..* Edith *..? `?. .?` > (?.?'?(?.?'? `'?.?)`'?.?) > In loving memory of Elizabeth B. Post August 8, 2006 > Co-Coordinator: Heartmade Blessings Comfortghan Program > "Caring Hearts, Touching Lives, One Stitch at a Time" > _http://www.heartmadeblessings.org/_ > (http://www.heartmadeblessings.org/) > A Member of CrochetList Admin > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 09:33:14 -0600 > From: "Carol or Billy" <carolbilly94@bresnan.net> > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Census Records Question > To: <txredriv@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <000901c7ab74$a9837830$c2209045@YOUR34EFF17BD0> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Yes, perhaps my experience will help. My ggfather and children were > on a > census but ten years later had disappeared, I found him by reading > the > entire census record and discovered a GW Bates had the same > children's name > as my ggfather, GWButts, so can assume the census taker wrote down > the wrong > name. Apparently my ggfather could not read nor write because some > of the > land records was signed with an "X", so he wouldn't have been aware > of the > mistake; and may not have been very eager to help. Billy----- > Original > Message ----- > From: "Joyce A King" <jkin467@juno.com> > To: <txredriv@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 8:34 AM > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Census Records Question > > > >A lady and I have connected our gr grandparents through a DNA > project, > > however, through years of searching and every different spelling > of their > > names, we have never found them on a census record anywhere--I > even hired > > a professional to do the census check and he couldn't find > anything - so, > > my question is, why would there be people that never show up on a > census > > record? Has anyone else had this problem? Were the census > records so > > inaccurate that this could happen? Anyone have any opinions on > this? > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 10:59:01 -0500 > From: "Pam Arnold" <pparnold@earthlink.net> > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Census Records Question > To: <txredriv@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <NIBBJMNLIECDKAOKFMIFGEGFHAAA.pparnold@earthlink.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Joyce > Tell us all about them - maybe one of us knows the family or can > find them. > It's too hot to play outside today! > > Pam > > > --lady and I have connected our gr grandparents through a DNA > project, > however, through years of searching and every different spelling of > their > names, we have never found them on a census record anywhere-- > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 09:53:16 -0700 (PDT) > From: Beverly Presson <bevpresson@sbcglobal.net> > Subject: [TXREDRIV] Jim Roberts > To: txredriv@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <359770.57931.qm@web83208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Hi Donna and Jo: > What I have on Jim Roberts isn't much and what I have is > confusing, guess this is a family I need to concentrate on. Jim > Roberts married Lucinda Mowery 1-9-1890 in Red River, the marriage > license gives his name as J.M. Roberts. Jim and Lucinda only had one > child, a daughter who died at birth 11/2/1890. On the 1900 census > Jim gives his birth date as Nov 1867. Jim died May 16, 1947, he is > buried at Hopewell. In the Dale's cemetery records it has James P. > Roberts b. Sept 1, 1864. > > The only other Roberts I have are Florence Roberts and her family. > Florence married Corely Monkhouse. Not sure if Jim and Florence > are relate. If either of you need information for Florence Roberts > please let met know. > > Beverly > Bakersfield, CA > > I > > Jo Cox <jocox@arkansas.net> wrote: > I would like to know about Jim Roberts also. I have Roberts in RR > County. > > JO > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Donna Dilbeck" > To: > Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 6:08 PM > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Mowery Reunion > > > > Hi Beverly, > > I have ties to the Monkhouse family....my great aunt married Gene > > > Monkhouse > > ...son of Corley M. .. I am related to Luther Monroe Mowery thru > my > > Hunkapillar family..... My sister in law are just nearly > realated....but > > we > > are not..by blood... she is the grand daughter of Vela Monkhouse > and if > > memory is correct...Charley.... Can you tell me more about the Jim > > > Roberts? > > I am related to some Roberts too.... Thanks Donna Ervin Dilbeck > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Beverly Presson" > > To: "Jim Giddens" ; > > Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 5:21 PM > > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Mowery Reunion > > > > > >> > >> James and Susan had three children, two of which are also buried > at > >> Hopewell. Lucinda married Jim Roberts, Frances married Charley > "Bud" > >> Monkhouse. Luther Monroe I believe is buried at Idabel. > >> Beverly > >> Bakersfield, CA > >> > >> Jim Giddens wrote: > >> Thanks so much Beverly, > >> I remember making notes of the Thoms graves at Hopewell but I did > not > >> know > >> of the connection. > >> I will probably slip your point into my presentation. > "Presentation", > >> that > >> sounds like a big word for a old boy just "rambling" on in > person. > >> I keep turning up new (old) information and I still have not made > me an > >> outline, I better get that done to help me to not skip over main > points > >> and to be able to conserve time. > >> Jim G > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Beverly Presson > >> To: Jim Giddens ; txredriv@rootsweb.com > >> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 6:17 AM > >> Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Mowery Reunion > >> > >> > >> Jim: > >> Jame's wife was Susie Thoms, sister to my gg grandfather, William > Edward > >> Thoms. Susie married Robert Monkhouse after the dead of James and > is > >> buried at Hopewell. > >> Beverly > >> Bakersfield, CA > >> > >> Jim Giddens wrote: > >> No, not the same, it is her mother, wife of my GG GF Wiley W > Giddens > >> A little strange for daughter to have the same name but boys do > it all > >> the > >> time. Middle names probably different. I think J.R. Mowery wife > >> remarried in Lamar County but I forget the name. She is probably > buried > >> in > >> Lamar Co. > >> Jim G > >> p.s. poor J.R. Mowery, buried all alone over in the corner of > the > >> cemetery. > >> Only Mowery in the Cemetery. > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Mike Gibson" > >> To: ; > >> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 8:01 PM > >> Subject: RE: [TXREDRIV] Mowery Reunion > >> > >> > >>> Jim, > >>> > >>> The index shows J.R. Mowery born Dec. 24, 1839, died October 25, > 1881, > >>> buried at Concord. > >>> Could not find Malinda Mowery, but I did find Malinda Giddens > born Sept. > >>> 25, 1826, died November 30, 1851, buried at Concord. This may > not be the > >>> same Malinda. > >>> > >>> Mike Gibson > >>> Mesquite, Texas > >>> > >>> > >>>>From: "Jim Giddens" > >>>>Reply-To: Jim Giddens , txredriv@rootsweb.com > >>>>To: "Red River Co Tx Rootsweb" > >>>>Subject: [TXREDRIV] Mowery Reunion > >>>>Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 22:29:28 -0500 > >>>> > >>>>Genealogy group: > >>>> I have been asked to a Mowery reunion in Idabel, Ok this > Saturday > >>>> (9th). My GG GF's sister, Malinda Giddens married Mathias > Mowery in > >>>> the early 1800s. > >>>> I have been asked to give my presentation on my Giddens > connection to > >>>> the Mowerys in the a.m. and in the afternoon to give my > presentation on > >>>> Lt. J.R. Giddens that died in the Indian battle in Jan 1865 as > a > >>>> Confederate soldier assigned to the Texas Indian Frontier. Lt > Giddens > >>>> was a brother of Malinda. > >>>> It is interesting that Mathias & Malinda named one of there > sons, > >>>> James Richard (Mowery), same given name as Lt. Giddens, but Lt > Giddens > >>>> was still a boy when the other J.R. was born. > >>>> I did give the Lt Giddens and some information on the forts he > was > >>>> connected with to the Paris, Son of the Confederate meeting > this past > >>>> Monday night. > >>>> I feel a little awkward being asked to speak, but I am honored > for > >>>> sure to be asked. > >>>>The reunion will be at the Choctaw Community Center. I will be > back in > >>>>Paris by 6 for a birthday party for my only great grandchild. > Addie will > be 4. It is great that any child gets to know their great > grandparent. > >>>>I hope to put more memories in her head as she grows up, but we > never > >>>>know how much longer that will be. > >>>>Say a few words for me for Saturday. > >>>>Jim Giddens > >>>>Paris, Tx > >>>>p.s. Lt Giddens was born in 1829 and J.R. Mowery was born either > in 1831 > >>>>or 1839. My plot is smeared at the date, so I will have to check > that > >>>>out. Also, J.R. Mowery is buried at Concord (Giddens) Cemetery. > >>>>I will need to check on where Malinda was buried. I think she > remarried > >>>>in Lamar County after Mathias died. > >>>> > >>>>------------------------------- > >>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>>>TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the > >>>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 12:06:02 -0500 > From: "steve harris" <steveharris1@hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Jim Roberts > To: <txredriv@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <BAY113-DAV13AE750F7CBBF8C350EF1C9C1B0@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > too hot to get out is right > > I see in 1880, Hunt Co TX a Roberts family (8 children) with a James > born > 1867 and sister Florence born 1880. Parents are Floyd and Francis > Roberts. > > fwiw > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Beverly Presson" <bevpresson@sbcglobal.net> > To: <txredriv@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 11:53 AM > Subject: [TXREDRIV] Jim Roberts > > > > Hi Donna and Jo: > > What I have on Jim Roberts isn't much and what I have is > confusing, guess > > this is a family I need to concentrate on. Jim Roberts married > Lucinda > > Mowery 1-9-1890 in Red River, the marriage license gives his name > as J.M. > > Roberts. Jim and Lucinda only had one child, a daughter who died > at birth > > 11/2/1890. On the 1900 census Jim gives his birth date as Nov > 1867. Jim > > died May 16, 1947, he is buried at Hopewell. In the Dale's > cemetery > > records it has James P. Roberts b. Sept 1, 1864. > > > > The only other Roberts I have are Florence Roberts and her > family. > > Florence married Corely Monkhouse. Not sure if Jim and Florence > are > > relate. If either of you need information for Florence Roberts > please let > > met know. > > > > Beverly > > Bakersfield, CA > > > > I > > > > Jo Cox <jocox@arkansas.net> wrote: > > I would like to know about Jim Roberts also. I have Roberts in RR > County. > > > > JO > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Donna Dilbeck" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 6:08 PM > > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Mowery Reunion > > > > > >> Hi Beverly, > >> I have ties to the Monkhouse family....my great aunt married > Gene > >> Monkhouse > >> ...son of Corley M. .. I am related to Luther Monroe Mowery thru > my > >> Hunkapillar family..... My sister in law are just nearly > realated....but > >> we > >> are not..by blood... she is the grand daughter of Vela Monkhouse > and if > >> memory is correct...Charley.... Can you tell me more about the > Jim > >> Roberts? > >> I am related to some Roberts too.... Thanks Donna Ervin Dilbeck > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Beverly Presson" > >> To: "Jim Giddens" ; > >> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 5:21 PM > >> Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Mowery Reunion > >> > >> > >>> > >>> James and Susan had three children, two of which are also buried > at > >>> Hopewell. Lucinda married Jim Roberts, Frances married Charley > "Bud" > >>> Monkhouse. Luther Monroe I believe is buried at Idabel. > >>> Beverly > >>> Bakersfield, CA > >>> > >>> Jim Giddens wrote: > >>> Thanks so much Beverly, > >>> I remember making notes of the Thoms graves at Hopewell but I did > not > >>> know > >>> of the connection. > >>> I will probably slip your point into my presentation. > "Presentation", > >>> that > >>> sounds like a big word for a old boy just "rambling" on in > person. > >>> I keep turning up new (old) information and I still have not > made me an > >>> outline, I better get that done to help me to not skip over main > points > >>> and to be able to conserve time. > >>> Jim G > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: Beverly Presson > >>> To: Jim Giddens ; txredriv@rootsweb.com > >>> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 6:17 AM > >>> Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Mowery Reunion > >>> > >>> > >>> Jim: > >>> Jame's wife was Susie Thoms, sister to my gg grandfather, > William Edward > >>> Thoms. Susie married Robert Monkhouse after the dead of James > and is > >>> buried at Hopewell. > >>> Beverly > >>> Bakersfield, CA > >>> > >>> Jim Giddens wrote: > >>> No, not the same, it is her mother, wife of my GG GF Wiley W > Giddens > >>> A little strange for daughter to have the same name but boys do > it all > >>> the > >>> time. Middle names probably different. I think J.R. Mowery wife > >>> remarried in Lamar County but I forget the name. She is probably > buried > >>> in > >>> Lamar Co. > >>> Jim G > >>> p.s. poor J.R. Mowery, buried all alone over in the corner of > the > >>> cemetery. > >>> Only Mowery in the Cemetery. > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "Mike Gibson" > >>> To: ; > >>> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 8:01 PM > >>> Subject: RE: [TXREDRIV] Mowery Reunion > >>> > >>> > >>>> Jim, > >>>> > >>>> The index shows J.R. Mowery born Dec. 24, 1839, died October > 25, 1881, > >>>> buried at Concord. > >>>> Could not find Malinda Mowery, but I did find Malinda Giddens > born > >>>> Sept. > >>>> 25, 1826, died November 30, 1851, buried at Concord. This may > not be > >>>> the > >>>> same Malinda. > >>>> > >>>> Mike Gibson > >>>> Mesquite, Texas > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>From: "Jim Giddens" > >>>>>Reply-To: Jim Giddens , txredriv@rootsweb.com > >>>>>To: "Red River Co Tx Rootsweb" > >>>>>Subject: [TXREDRIV] Mowery Reunion > >>>>>Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 22:29:28 -0500 > >>>>> > >>>>>Genealogy group: > >>>>> I have been asked to a Mowery reunion in Idabel, Ok this > Saturday > >>>>> (9th). My GG GF's sister, Malinda Giddens married Mathias > Mowery in > >>>>> the early 1800s. > >>>>> I have been asked to give my presentation on my Giddens > connection to > >>>>> the Mowerys in the a.m. and in the afternoon to give my > presentation > >>>>> on > >>>>> Lt. J.R. Giddens that died in the Indian battle in Jan 1865 as > a > >>>>> Confederate soldier assigned to the Texas Indian Frontier. Lt > Giddens > >>>>> was a brother of Malinda. > >>>>> It is interesting that Mathias & Malinda named one of there > sons, > >>>>> James Richard (Mowery), same given name as Lt. Giddens, but Lt > Giddens > >>>>> was still a boy when the other J.R. was born. > >>>>> I did give the Lt Giddens and some information on the forts he > was > >>>>> connected with to the Paris, Son of the Confederate meeting > this past > >>>>> Monday night. > >>>>> I feel a little awkward being asked to speak, but I am honored > for > >>>>> sure to be asked. > >>>>>The reunion will be at the Choctaw Community Center. I will be > back in > >>>>>Paris by 6 for a birthday party for my only great grandchild. > Addie > >>>>>will > >>>>>be 4. It is great that any child gets to know their great > grandparent. > >>>>>I hope to put more memories in her head as she grows up, but we > never > >>>>>know how much longer that will be. > >>>>>Say a few words for me for Saturday. > >>>>>Jim Giddens > >>>>>Paris, Tx > >>>>>p.s. Lt Giddens was born in 1829 and J.R. Mowery was born > either in > >>>>>1831 > >>>>>or 1839. My plot is smeared at the date, so I will have to > check that > >>>>>out. Also, J.R. Mowery is buried at Concord (Giddens) > Cemetery. > >>>>>I will need to check on where Malinda was buried. I think she > remarried > >>>>>in Lamar County after Mathias died. > >>>>> > >>>>>------------------------------- > >>>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>>>>TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the > >>>>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>> TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the > >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>> TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the > >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>> TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the TXREDRIV list administrator, send an email to > TXREDRIV-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the TXREDRIV mailing list, send an email to > TXREDRIV@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of TXREDRIV Digest, Vol 2, Issue 109 > **************************************** > > Paul R. 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