In one census, my ggfather and children were listed, but ten years later they had disappeared. I found them by chance reading the entire census and finding GW Bates with my ggfather's children. Undoubtedly, the census taker wrote out GW Bates rather than GW Butts, my ggfather, who could not read nor write as many of his earlier documents were signed with an"X"; later he learned to write his name as it appears on some later documents. Billy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Cooper" <bcooper@mc2k.com> To: <txredriv@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Census Records Question > Joyce, it makes a difference if you are talking about a maternal or > paternal > DNA print match. > > The paternal DNA print test is on the Y-Chromosome which is unique to the > male and is passed from father to son generation after generation and > changes rarely, like on the average one-marker every 500-years as such is > very useful in identifying familial kinships going back through the years. > If you cannot find your most recent common ancestor back to 1850 it > becomes > much more difficult, if not impossible beyond that. If you have not used > the > message boards in genealogy.com, you may try that. > > I have found numerous irregularities with census records which compounds > the > problems when searching census records. I found one ancestor in RRC where > the first name was listed as the last name in the 1860 USC. I found it > only > by doing a page by page search of the census. > > If it is a materal match this is another issue. I have yet to find a > common > ancestor with 20-25 mtDNA print matches with my mother's DNA print > withother > families. I have not gotten off the ground with this type of match > research. > > Regards, > > H. Ben Cooper > Bella Vista, Arkansas > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joyce A King" <jkin467@juno.com> > To: <txredriv@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 9:34 AM > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Census Records Question > > > A lady and I have connected our gr grandparents through a DNA project, > however, through years of searching and every different spelling of their > names, we have never found them on a census record anywhere--I even hired > a > professional to do the census check and he couldn't find anything - so, my > question is, why would there be people that never show up on a census > record? Has anyone else had this problem? Were the census records so > inaccurate that this could happen? Anyone have any opinions on this? > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Don forget that in the early years of out state and country, that the original large counties were split up into several counties over the years. Red River County originally covered land that is now included in 39 different counties. Example: I was in Floyd County, Ky researching my Giddens, found where they purchased land in 1813, 14 & 17 on "Johns Creek, a branch of Sandy River", but I could not find where they ever sold the land when they left about 1820. It skipped my mind at the time when they left, the area they lived in was in the newly created Pike County (out of Floyd Co). I have found in Texas, in Titus and Camp County etc courthouses, the courthouses have obtained copies of deeds from the Red River County courthouse of land deeds in their respective counties that were originally in Red River Co before RR Co was split up over the years. And I have found the Giddens name in county records as Gideon, Gettins, Gideons & Giddings. I think the county clerks and/or census taker just wrote down what they heard the person say, then (as has been stated), if a person could not read or simply did not look & see what the transcriber was writing, nothing was done. And, some did decided to change their name for different reason. Some just wanted to distinguish there branch of the family name from others with the same name. Such as the 3 Kerbo brothers, when crossing the Mississippi and going different directions, changed there name to Kerbow. Then if later, if a Kerbow was found, it was like finding your brand. (we have Kerbow Lake near Fulbright) Jim G ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol or Billy" <carolbilly94@bresnan.net> To: <txredriv@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 9:10 PM Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Census Records Question > In one census, my ggfather and children were listed, but ten years later > they had disappeared. I found them by chance reading the entire census and > finding GW Bates with my ggfather's children. Undoubtedly, the census > taker > wrote out GW Bates rather than GW Butts, my ggfather, who could not read > nor > write as many of his earlier documents were signed with an"X"; later he > learned to write his name as it appears on some later documents. Billy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ben Cooper" <bcooper@mc2k.com> > To: <txredriv@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 11:34 AM > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Census Records Question > > >> Joyce, it makes a difference if you are talking about a maternal or >> paternal >> DNA print match. >> >> The paternal DNA print test is on the Y-Chromosome which is unique to the >> male and is passed from father to son generation after generation and >> changes rarely, like on the average one-marker every 500-years as such is >> very useful in identifying familial kinships going back through the >> years. >> If you cannot find your most recent common ancestor back to 1850 it >> becomes >> much more difficult, if not impossible beyond that. If you have not used >> the >> message boards in genealogy.com, you may try that. >> >> I have found numerous irregularities with census records which compounds >> the >> problems when searching census records. I found one ancestor in RRC where >> the first name was listed as the last name in the 1860 USC. I found it >> only >> by doing a page by page search of the census. >> >> If it is a materal match this is another issue. I have yet to find a >> common >> ancestor with 20-25 mtDNA print matches with my mother's DNA print >> withother >> families. I have not gotten off the ground with this type of match >> research. >> >> Regards, >> >> H. Ben Cooper >> Bella Vista, Arkansas >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Joyce A King" <jkin467@juno.com> >> To: <txredriv@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 9:34 AM >> Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Census Records Question >> >> >> A lady and I have connected our gr grandparents through a DNA project, >> however, through years of searching and every different spelling of their >> names, we have never found them on a census record anywhere--I even hired >> a >> professional to do the census check and he couldn't find anything - so, >> my >> question is, why would there be people that never show up on a census >> record? Has anyone else had this problem? Were the census records so >> inaccurate that this could happen? Anyone have any opinions on this? >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message