Researchers might want to consult the Handbook of Texas History about Robbinsville. A good article. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Giddens" <jimgidd@suddenlink.net> To: <txredriv@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 2:00 PM Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Location of Robinsonville >I am looking at the map I have by the General Land Office. It clearly > shows the John Robbins land plot. It show the Robbins plot does Not > cover > the area where the road-side park is today. This is on Beckenell land. > The John Robbins lands start on the west edge of the CR 2106 on this lay > over map. The southeast point (corner) of Robbin's land is where 2106 > and > US 82 meet. Robbins boundary runs from this point due north about 2+ > miles and due west close to 2 miles. It is a pure rectangle. Scatter > Creek runs northwestward through Robbins land. The old 82 from Bagwell > to > Detroit runs across the Robbins land with about 1/3 of his land being to > the north of 82. The new 82 that bypasses Bagwell (or the old stage > line > maybe) runs across the lower southwest corner of the Robbins land. > I wish this map explained what all the roads on this map actually are. > This map shows what appear to me to be the new 82 that bypasses Bagwell > but > it is dated as being drawn up in 1935 my the Land Office. Maybe the > roads > were updated on the map at a much later date. > Strange: a curving line with hash marks across it about every 1/2 inch on > the 2ft x 3 ft map. The line transverses the county. On east side of > the > county it run primarily about a mile south of the present day 82. It > runs > thru > Clarksville then makes a straight line northwestward and runs about 1/4 > mile south of Bagwell. It continues west northward and makes a smooth > curve going back southward and runs southwestward about a mile north of > Detroit. It continues southwestward. This line runs west northwestward > across the far north end of Becknell's land and barley clips the northeast > corner of Robbins land. Maybe you would have to see it to grasp it. > BTW, the Bluff Cemetery is on the Robbins plot. > Seems strange that Robbins would place his township in the corner of his > large section of land. Maybe it was to be close to Becknell people for > protection etc. > Jim Giddens > Paris, Tx > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Howison" <jhowison@suddenlink.net> > To: <txredriv@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 4:23 PM > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Location of Robinsonville > > >>I think Jim is right that Scatter Creek was the initial source of water >>for >> the Robbins family, and that it continued to be the source of water for >> livestock. I believe you can take it as given that as soon as they had a >> roof they improvised a cistern for human use. They would also have >> looked >> for the closest dowser to tell them where to dig a well, as even large >> cisterns could become a bit rank, or even be emptied, in time of >> prolonged >> drought. >> >> "Col.." John Robbins, son of Nathaniel Robbins, and husband of Cynthia >> Humphreys Robbins took a headright in his own name and participated in >> another that was obtained in the name of his father-in-law by Humphrey's >> heirs. John Robbins, for whom Robbinsville took its name, would almost >> certainly have contrived to have the town on his headright, so a >> headright >> map such as the one at the Tax District office would provide a reliable >> indication of the town's whereabouts. Robbins was an aggressive, >> thigh-slapping individual of inordinate ambition (he tried to get the >> Republic of Texas to locate the projected Dallas-toward-the-US highway to >> be >> sited along a Robbins turning-row). Robbins came to the area with the >> "Nathaniel Robbins Party,' in 1818. His name appears in several >> surviving >> issues of the Northern Standard- >> >> ---- Original Message ----- >> From: "Cynthia Samples" <samples@1starnet.com> >> To: "Jim Giddens" <jimgidd@suddenlink.net>; <txredriv@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 3:22 PM >> Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Location of Robinsonville >> >> >>> My mother told me that the roadside park on Hwy 82 was in just about the >>> exact location of the old Robbinsville School. All the old timers >>> called >>> that general area Robbinsville, but there is nothing left. I remember >>> when >>> there were lots of houses there. There are none now. >>> >>> Cynthia >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Jim Giddens" <jimgidd@suddenlink.net> >>> To: <txredriv@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 2:30 PM >>> Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Location of Robinsonville >>> >>> >>>> Robbinsville is basically at the intersection of US 82 and CR 2106 >>>> (county >>>> road) that runs north to Bagwell This put it about 1/4 mile east of >>>> where >>>> Ward Creek run into Scatter. It is not certain to me the pin point >>>> location. I feel certain that Scatter Creek (or Ward) was their water >>>> supply. Just east of the intersection at 82 about 1/4 mile is a >>>> road >>>> side park, maybe this was the actually location. >>>> However, I have found what remains of a couple of grave marker, up CR >>>> 2106 >>>> about 1/4 to 1/2 mile, on your left (west side) about 100 feet before >>>> you >>>> reach a corral and about 50 to 80 feet from the fence in the pasture. >>>> This land is owned by ______Somerville and his wife Connie. The >>>> remains >>>> are only a base ( with a slot in it) that held the slab type marker. >>>> All >>>> the markers were carried about some years back (maybe 80). These >>>> remains >>>> is all of Robbinsville that is left that I know anything of. >>>> William Becknell is buried in a pasture about 200 feet south of US >>>> 82, >>>> about a mile or so east of the mentioned road side park. Some have >>>> referred to this cemetery as the Robbinsville Cemetery, but that is >>>> not >>>> where Robbinsville was. >>>> When the railroad came in about 2 miles north of Robbinsville, it >>>> was >>>> only a short time until the community moved to the railroad and became >>>> Bagwell. >>>> FYI: up north on the Ward Creek, Cool Creek from Bagwell runs into >>>> it. >>>> Also, Robbinsville will be about 7 miles west of Clarksville on 82. >>>> Jim Giddens >>>> Paris, Tx >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Gary Pinkerton" <gpinkerton@gt.rr.com> >>>> To: "RootsWeb - Red River County" <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 1:41 PM >>>> Subject: [TXREDRIV] Location of Robinsonville >>>> >>>> >>>>> Anyone know the location of old Robinsonville in Red River County? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Gary Pinkerton >>>>> >>>>> www.trammelstrace.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >