I agree with Drew, I have used most of what she has mentioned to great results. I could not read with my eyes but the digital camera brought the words and dates out. What the camera catches is what you have to work with and as she said turning the photo into a "negative" with your photo software, is the only way I could read one old monument. Melba ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

I just happen to read last week of another Pecan Bayou, somewhere in the area of San Angelo. Jim G ----- Original Message ----- From: "sam embrey" <sre795@suddenlink.net> To: <txredriv@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 8:15 AM Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Not Gena. > Pam, I think Jim answered your question already, but yes, there is this > place called Pecan Bayou just north of Clarksville. > Sam > Paris > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pam Arnold" <pparnold@earthlink.net> > To: <txredriv@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 9:39 PM > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Not Gena. > > >> Sam >> Not responding to your question at all - but out of curiosity - is there >> someplace still known as Pecan Bayou there abouts? >> Pam (Paddock) Arnold >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: txredriv-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:txredriv-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of sam embrey >> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 9:07 PM >> To: TXREDRIV@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [TXREDRIV] Not Gena. >> >> >> Since the site has been so quite, I thought it might be a good time to >> ask >> a silly question. I started to do something this morning, and found >> myself >> just a bit weak to do the driving, and decided to put it of until after >> Friday the 1st. of June, when I hope to have my last Kidney Stone >> crushed, >> then in a few days I hope to get stronger. What I wanted to find out >> about >> is not important in any way, but us old men find ourselves wondering >> about >> things. What I was wondering about was does anyone know the difference in >> the miles from Clarksville to Paris now, than what it was in the early >> 40's >> when we had to go through Bagwell and other places on that crooked old >> road? >> I even talked to several friends today about it, and would you believe >> that >> none of them thought they could follow the road all the way. I can and >> will >> as soon as I can, but just wondered if someone already knew. Thank you, >> Sam >> Across the street from Tomolly's >> in Paris >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I think the person who can tell you all this is Mr. Moore at Old Shamrock.  He has a huge map of the old area and showed it to us.  He mentioned Scatter Creek and he has a lot of information about the area.  He is about 85 years old but he knows a lot about the families buried at Old Shamrock. -----Original Message----- From: drew-slate@charter.net To: txredriv@rootsweb.com; Jim Giddens <jimgidd@suddenlink.net> Sent: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 5:08 pm Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Location of Robinsonville Jim, The line you mention with the hash marks...could it possibly be a railroad? hat sounds like a railroad system on most maps I have. Maybe it was a possible ailroad line that wasn't ever built or a preliminary path that was changed? If I remember right, Old Shamrock Cemetery isn't to far from the old obbinsville township. I don't recall off the top of my head who was buried here, but I seem to remember some Crockett relatives in it. I believe that avey Crockett's family stayed with Becknell's group at one time before heading est to Hood County. Thanks, rew Slate t Worth, Tx ---- Jim Giddens <jimgidd@suddenlink.net> wrote: I am looking at the map I have by the General Land Office. It clearly shows the John Robbins land plot. It show the Robbins plot does Not cover the area where the road-side park is today. This is on Beckenell land. The John Robbins lands start on the west edge of the CR 2106 on this lay over map. The southeast point (corner) of Robbin's land is where 2106 and US 82 meet. Robbins boundary runs from this point due north about 2+ miles and due west close to 2 miles. It is a pure rectangle. Scatter Creek runs northwestward through Robbins land. The old 82 from Bagwell to Detroit runs across the Robbins land with about 1/3 of his land being to the north of 82. The new 82 that bypasses Bagwell (or the old stage line maybe) runs across the lower southwest corner of the Robbins land. I wish this map explained what all the roads on this map actually are. This map shows what appear to me to be the new 82 that bypasses Bagwell but it is dated as being drawn up in 1935 my the Land Office. Maybe the roads were updated on the map at a much later date. Strange: a curving line with hash marks across it about every 1/2 inch on the 2ft x 3 ft map. The line transverses the county. On east side of the county it run primarily about a mile south of the present day 82. It runs thru Clarksville then makes a straight line northwestward and runs about 1/4 mile south of Bagwell. It continues west northward and makes a smooth curve going back southward and runs southwestward about a mile north of Detroit. It continues southwestward. This line runs west northwestward across the far north end of Becknell's land and barley clips the northeast corner of Robbins land. Maybe you would have to see it to grasp it. BTW, the Bluff Cemetery is on the Robbins plot. Seems strange that Robbins would place his township in the corner of his large section of land. Maybe it was to be close to Becknell people for protection etc. Jim Giddens Paris, Tx ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Howison" <jhowison@suddenlink.net> To: <txredriv@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 4:23 PM Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Location of Robinsonville >I think Jim is right that Scatter Creek was the initial source of water for > the Robbins family, and that it continued to be the source of water for > livestock. I believe you can take it as given that as soon as they had a > roof they improvised a cistern for human use. They would also have looked > for the closest dowser to tell them where to dig a well, as even large > cisterns could become a bit rank, or even be emptied, in time of prolonged > drought. > > "Col.." John Robbins, son of Nathaniel Robbins, and husband of Cynthia > Humphreys Robbins took a headright in his own name and participated in > another that was obtained in the name of his father-in-law by Humphrey's > heirs. John Robbins, for whom Robbinsville took its name, would almost > certainly have contrived to have the town on his headright, so a headright > map such as the one at the Tax District office would provide a reliable > indication of the town's whereabouts. Robbins was an aggressive, > thigh-slapping individual of inordinate ambition (he tried to get the > Republic of Texas to locate the projected Dallas-toward-the-US highway to > be > sited along a Robbins turning-row). Robbins came to the area with the > "Nathaniel Robbins Party,' in 1818. His name appears in several surviving > issues of the Northern Standard- > > ---- Original Message ----- > From: "Cynthia Samples" <samples@1starnet.com> > To: "Jim Giddens" <jimgidd@suddenlink.net>; <txredriv@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 3:22 PM > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Location of Robinsonville > > >> My mother told me that the roadside park on Hwy 82 was in just about the >> exact location of the old Robbinsville School. All the old timers called >> that general area Robbinsville, but there is nothing left. I remember >> when >> there were lots of houses there. There are none now. >> >> Cynthia >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jim Giddens" <jimgidd@suddenlink.net> >> To: <txredriv@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 2:30 PM >> Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Location of Robinsonville >> >> >>> Robbinsville is basically at the intersection of US 82 and CR 2106 >>> (county >>> road) that runs north to Bagwell This put it about 1/4 mile east of >>> where >>> Ward Creek run into Scatter. It is not certain to me the pin point >>> location. I feel certain that Scatter Creek (or Ward) was their water >>> supply. Just east of the intersection at 82 about 1/4 mile is a road >>> side park, maybe this was the actually location. >>> However, I have found what remains of a couple of grave marker, up CR >>> 2106 >>> about 1/4 to 1/2 mile, on your left (west side) about 100 feet before >>> you >>> reach a corral and about 50 to 80 feet from the fence in the pasture. >>> This land is owned by ______Somerville and his wife Connie. The >>> remains >>> are only a base ( with a slot in it) that held the slab type marker. >>> All >>> the markers were carried about some years back (maybe 80). These >>> remains >>> is all of Robbinsville that is left that I know anything of. >>> William Becknell is buried in a pasture about 200 feet south of US >>> 82, >>> about a mile or so east of the mentioned road side park. Some have >>> referred to this cemetery as the Robbinsville Cemetery, but that is >>> not >>> where Robbinsville was. >>> When the railroad came in about 2 miles north of Robbinsville, it was >>> only a short time until the community moved to the railroad and became >>> Bagwell. >>> FYI: up north on the Ward Creek, Cool Creek from Bagwell runs into >>> it. >>> Also, Robbinsville will be about 7 miles west of Clarksville on 82. >>> Jim Giddens >>> Paris, Tx >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Gary Pinkerton" <gpinkerton@gt.rr.com> >>> To: "RootsWeb - Red River County" <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 1:41 PM >>> Subject: [TXREDRIV] Location of Robinsonville >>> >>> >>>> Anyone know the location of old Robinsonville in Red River County? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Gary Pinkerton >>>> >>>> www.trammelstrace.org >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. 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We have visited four cemeteries today and had a wonderful visit with Mr. Blassingame at Evergreen and Mr. Moore at Old Shamrock. The headstone I needed to photograph at Evergreen of my great-grandmother was barely visable. The stone was of a porious nature and had fungus that had infiltrated into the stone. Mr. Blassinglame gave me a stick of pink sidewalk chalk to use on the raised letters. He said it would not harm anything and would wash away from the rain. My photo looks a bit strange with pink letters, but it photographed very well. Mr. Moore at Old Shamrock uses styrofoam like stuff is packed in. He scrapes the stones. We have sure met some wonderful, helpful people here in Red River/Lamar counties. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.

I found it on 1870 GLO map in SE corner of Robbins survey. I'll try to plot it on current map later. If anyone is interested in that image, send me an off-list email and I'll forward when I get it done. I can take a photo of the map placement too. I mistakenly called it Robinsonville, when it was shown as Robbinsville. Thanks for all the help, everyone. Gary Pinkerton www.trammelstrace.org -----Original Message----- From: txredriv-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:txredriv-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of nanareb@aol.com Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 6:07 PM To: txredriv@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Location of Robinsonville I think the person who can tell you all this is Mr. Moore at Old Shamrock.  He has a huge map of the old area and showed it to us.  He mentioned Scatter Creek and he has a lot of information about the area.  He is about 85 years old but he knows a lot about the families buried at Old Shamrock. -----Original Message----- From: drew-slate@charter.net To: txredriv@rootsweb.com; Jim Giddens <jimgidd@suddenlink.net> Sent: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 5:08 pm Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Location of Robinsonville Jim, The line you mention with the hash marks...could it possibly be a railroad? hat sounds like a railroad system on most maps I have. Maybe it was a possible ailroad line that wasn't ever built or a preliminary path that was changed? If I remember right, Old Shamrock Cemetery isn't to far from the old obbinsville township. I don't recall off the top of my head who was buried here, but I seem to remember some Crockett relatives in it. I believe that avey Crockett's family stayed with Becknell's group at one time before heading est to Hood County. Thanks, rew Slate t Worth, Tx ---- Jim Giddens <jimgidd@suddenlink.net> wrote: I am looking at the map I have by the General Land Office. It clearly shows the John Robbins land plot. It show the Robbins plot does Not cover the area where the road-side park is today. This is on Beckenell land. The John Robbins lands start on the west edge of the CR 2106 on this lay over map. The southeast point (corner) of Robbin's land is where 2106 and US 82 meet. Robbins boundary runs from this point due north about 2+ miles and due west close to 2 miles. It is a pure rectangle. Scatter Creek runs northwestward through Robbins land. The old 82 from Bagwell to Detroit runs across the Robbins land with about 1/3 of his land being to the north of 82. The new 82 that bypasses Bagwell (or the old stage line maybe) runs across the lower southwest corner of the Robbins land. I wish this map explained what all the roads on this map actually are. This map shows what appear to me to be the new 82 that bypasses Bagwell but it is dated as being drawn up in 1935 my the Land Office. Maybe the roads were updated on the map at a much later date. Strange: a curving line with hash marks across it about every 1/2 inch on the 2ft x 3 ft map. The line transverses the county. On east side of the county it run primarily about a mile south of the present day 82. It runs thru Clarksville then makes a straight line northwestward and runs about 1/4 mile south of Bagwell. It continues west northward and makes a smooth curve going back southward and runs southwestward about a mile north of Detroit. It continues southwestward. This line runs west northwestward across the far north end of Becknell's land and barley clips the northeast corner of Robbins land. Maybe you would have to see it to grasp it. BTW, the Bluff Cemetery is on the Robbins plot. Seems strange that Robbins would place his township in the corner of his large section of land. Maybe it was to be close to Becknell people for protection etc. Jim Giddens Paris, Tx ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Howison" <jhowison@suddenlink.net> To: <txredriv@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 4:23 PM Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Location of Robinsonville >I think Jim is right that Scatter Creek was the initial source of water for > the Robbins family, and that it continued to be the source of water for > livestock. I believe you can take it as given that as soon as they had a > roof they improvised a cistern for human use. They would also have looked > for the closest dowser to tell them where to dig a well, as even large > cisterns could become a bit rank, or even be emptied, in time of prolonged > drought. > > "Col.." John Robbins, son of Nathaniel Robbins, and husband of Cynthia > Humphreys Robbins took a headright in his own name and participated in > another that was obtained in the name of his father-in-law by Humphrey's > heirs. John Robbins, for whom Robbinsville took its name, would almost > certainly have contrived to have the town on his headright, so a headright > map such as the one at the Tax District office would provide a reliable > indication of the town's whereabouts. Robbins was an aggressive, > thigh-slapping individual of inordinate ambition (he tried to get the > Republic of Texas to locate the projected Dallas-toward-the-US highway to > be > sited along a Robbins turning-row). Robbins came to the area with the > "Nathaniel Robbins Party,' in 1818. His name appears in several surviving > issues of the Northern Standard- > > ---- Original Message ----- > From: "Cynthia Samples" <samples@1starnet.com> > To: "Jim Giddens" <jimgidd@suddenlink.net>; <txredriv@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 3:22 PM > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Location of Robinsonville > > >> My mother told me that the roadside park on Hwy 82 was in just about the >> exact location of the old Robbinsville School. All the old timers called >> that general area Robbinsville, but there is nothing left. I remember >> when >> there were lots of houses there. There are none now. >> >> Cynthia >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jim Giddens" <jimgidd@suddenlink.net> >> To: <txredriv@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 2:30 PM >> Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Location of Robinsonville >> >> >>> Robbinsville is basically at the intersection of US 82 and CR 2106 >>> (county >>> road) that runs north to Bagwell This put it about 1/4 mile east of >>> where >>> Ward Creek run into Scatter. It is not certain to me the pin point >>> location. I feel certain that Scatter Creek (or Ward) was their water >>> supply. Just east of the intersection at 82 about 1/4 mile is a road >>> side park, maybe this was the actually location. >>> However, I have found what remains of a couple of grave marker, up CR >>> 2106 >>> about 1/4 to 1/2 mile, on your left (west side) about 100 feet before >>> you >>> reach a corral and about 50 to 80 feet from the fence in the pasture. >>> This land is owned by ______Somerville and his wife Connie. The >>> remains >>> are only a base ( with a slot in it) that held the slab type marker. >>> All >>> the markers were carried about some years back (maybe 80). These >>> remains >>> is all of Robbinsville that is left that I know anything of. >>> William Becknell is buried in a pasture about 200 feet south of US >>> 82, >>> about a mile or so east of the mentioned road side park. Some have >>> referred to this cemetery as the Robbinsville Cemetery, but that is >>> not >>> where Robbinsville was. >>> When the railroad came in about 2 miles north of Robbinsville, it was >>> only a short time until the community moved to the railroad and became >>> Bagwell. >>> FYI: up north on the Ward Creek, Cool Creek from Bagwell runs into >>> it. >>> Also, Robbinsville will be about 7 miles west of Clarksville on 82. >>> Jim Giddens >>> Paris, Tx >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Gary Pinkerton" <gpinkerton@gt.rr.com> >>> To: "RootsWeb - Red River County" <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 1:41 PM >>> Subject: [TXREDRIV] Location of Robinsonville >>> >>> >>>> Anyone know the location of old Robinsonville in Red River County? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Gary Pinkerton >>>> >>>> www.trammelstrace.org >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. 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Researchers might want to consult the Handbook of Texas History about Robbinsville. A good article. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Giddens" <jimgidd@suddenlink.net> To: <txredriv@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 2:00 PM Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Location of Robinsonville >I am looking at the map I have by the General Land Office. It clearly > shows the John Robbins land plot. It show the Robbins plot does Not > cover > the area where the road-side park is today. This is on Beckenell land. > The John Robbins lands start on the west edge of the CR 2106 on this lay > over map. The southeast point (corner) of Robbin's land is where 2106 > and > US 82 meet. Robbins boundary runs from this point due north about 2+ > miles and due west close to 2 miles. It is a pure rectangle. Scatter > Creek runs northwestward through Robbins land. The old 82 from Bagwell > to > Detroit runs across the Robbins land with about 1/3 of his land being to > the north of 82. The new 82 that bypasses Bagwell (or the old stage > line > maybe) runs across the lower southwest corner of the Robbins land. > I wish this map explained what all the roads on this map actually are. > This map shows what appear to me to be the new 82 that bypasses Bagwell > but > it is dated as being drawn up in 1935 my the Land Office. Maybe the > roads > were updated on the map at a much later date. > Strange: a curving line with hash marks across it about every 1/2 inch on > the 2ft x 3 ft map. The line transverses the county. On east side of > the > county it run primarily about a mile south of the present day 82. It > runs > thru > Clarksville then makes a straight line northwestward and runs about 1/4 > mile south of Bagwell. It continues west northward and makes a smooth > curve going back southward and runs southwestward about a mile north of > Detroit. It continues southwestward. This line runs west northwestward > across the far north end of Becknell's land and barley clips the northeast > corner of Robbins land. Maybe you would have to see it to grasp it. > BTW, the Bluff Cemetery is on the Robbins plot. > Seems strange that Robbins would place his township in the corner of his > large section of land. Maybe it was to be close to Becknell people for > protection etc. > Jim Giddens > Paris, Tx > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Howison" <jhowison@suddenlink.net> > To: <txredriv@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 4:23 PM > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Location of Robinsonville > > >>I think Jim is right that Scatter Creek was the initial source of water >>for >> the Robbins family, and that it continued to be the source of water for >> livestock. I believe you can take it as given that as soon as they had a >> roof they improvised a cistern for human use. They would also have >> looked >> for the closest dowser to tell them where to dig a well, as even large >> cisterns could become a bit rank, or even be emptied, in time of >> prolonged >> drought. >> >> "Col.." John Robbins, son of Nathaniel Robbins, and husband of Cynthia >> Humphreys Robbins took a headright in his own name and participated in >> another that was obtained in the name of his father-in-law by Humphrey's >> heirs. John Robbins, for whom Robbinsville took its name, would almost >> certainly have contrived to have the town on his headright, so a >> headright >> map such as the one at the Tax District office would provide a reliable >> indication of the town's whereabouts. Robbins was an aggressive, >> thigh-slapping individual of inordinate ambition (he tried to get the >> Republic of Texas to locate the projected Dallas-toward-the-US highway to >> be >> sited along a Robbins turning-row). Robbins came to the area with the >> "Nathaniel Robbins Party,' in 1818. His name appears in several >> surviving >> issues of the Northern Standard- >> >> ---- Original Message ----- >> From: "Cynthia Samples" <samples@1starnet.com> >> To: "Jim Giddens" <jimgidd@suddenlink.net>; <txredriv@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 3:22 PM >> Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Location of Robinsonville >> >> >>> My mother told me that the roadside park on Hwy 82 was in just about the >>> exact location of the old Robbinsville School. All the old timers >>> called >>> that general area Robbinsville, but there is nothing left. I remember >>> when >>> there were lots of houses there. There are none now. >>> >>> Cynthia >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Jim Giddens" <jimgidd@suddenlink.net> >>> To: <txredriv@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 2:30 PM >>> Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Location of Robinsonville >>> >>> >>>> Robbinsville is basically at the intersection of US 82 and CR 2106 >>>> (county >>>> road) that runs north to Bagwell This put it about 1/4 mile east of >>>> where >>>> Ward Creek run into Scatter. It is not certain to me the pin point >>>> location. I feel certain that Scatter Creek (or Ward) was their water >>>> supply. Just east of the intersection at 82 about 1/4 mile is a >>>> road >>>> side park, maybe this was the actually location. >>>> However, I have found what remains of a couple of grave marker, up CR >>>> 2106 >>>> about 1/4 to 1/2 mile, on your left (west side) about 100 feet before >>>> you >>>> reach a corral and about 50 to 80 feet from the fence in the pasture. >>>> This land is owned by ______Somerville and his wife Connie. The >>>> remains >>>> are only a base ( with a slot in it) that held the slab type marker. >>>> All >>>> the markers were carried about some years back (maybe 80). These >>>> remains >>>> is all of Robbinsville that is left that I know anything of. >>>> William Becknell is buried in a pasture about 200 feet south of US >>>> 82, >>>> about a mile or so east of the mentioned road side park. Some have >>>> referred to this cemetery as the Robbinsville Cemetery, but that is >>>> not >>>> where Robbinsville was. >>>> When the railroad came in about 2 miles north of Robbinsville, it >>>> was >>>> only a short time until the community moved to the railroad and became >>>> Bagwell. >>>> FYI: up north on the Ward Creek, Cool Creek from Bagwell runs into >>>> it. >>>> Also, Robbinsville will be about 7 miles west of Clarksville on 82. >>>> Jim Giddens >>>> Paris, Tx >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Gary Pinkerton" <gpinkerton@gt.rr.com> >>>> To: "RootsWeb - Red River County" <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 1:41 PM >>>> Subject: [TXREDRIV] Location of Robinsonville >>>> >>>> >>>>> Anyone know the location of old Robinsonville in Red River County? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Gary Pinkerton >>>>> >>>>> www.trammelstrace.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Jim, The line you mention with the hash marks...could it possibly be a railroad? That sounds like a railroad system on most maps I have. Maybe it was a possible railroad line that wasn't ever built or a preliminary path that was changed? If I remember right, Old Shamrock Cemetery isn't to far from the old Robbinsville township. I don't recall off the top of my head who was buried there, but I seem to remember some Crockett relatives in it. I believe that Davey Crockett's family stayed with Becknell's group at one time before heading west to Hood County. Thanks, Drew Slate Ft Worth, Tx ---- Jim Giddens <jimgidd@suddenlink.net> wrote: > I am looking at the map I have by the General Land Office. It clearly > shows the John Robbins land plot. It show the Robbins plot does Not cover > the area where the road-side park is today. This is on Beckenell land. > The John Robbins lands start on the west edge of the CR 2106 on this lay > over map. The southeast point (corner) of Robbin's land is where 2106 and > US 82 meet. Robbins boundary runs from this point due north about 2+ > miles and due west close to 2 miles. It is a pure rectangle. Scatter > Creek runs northwestward through Robbins land. The old 82 from Bagwell to > Detroit runs across the Robbins land with about 1/3 of his land being to > the north of 82. The new 82 that bypasses Bagwell (or the old stage line > maybe) runs across the lower southwest corner of the Robbins land. > I wish this map explained what all the roads on this map actually are. > This map shows what appear to me to be the new 82 that bypasses Bagwell but > it is dated as being drawn up in 1935 my the Land Office. Maybe the roads > were updated on the map at a much later date. > Strange: a curving line with hash marks across it about every 1/2 inch on > the 2ft x 3 ft map. The line transverses the county. On east side of the > county it run primarily about a mile south of the present day 82. It runs > thru > Clarksville then makes a straight line northwestward and runs about 1/4 > mile south of Bagwell. It continues west northward and makes a smooth > curve going back southward and runs southwestward about a mile north of > Detroit. It continues southwestward. This line runs west northwestward > across the far north end of Becknell's land and barley clips the northeast > corner of Robbins land. Maybe you would have to see it to grasp it. > BTW, the Bluff Cemetery is on the Robbins plot. > Seems strange that Robbins would place his township in the corner of his > large section of land. Maybe it was to be close to Becknell people for > protection etc. > Jim Giddens > Paris, Tx > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Howison" <jhowison@suddenlink.net> > To: <txredriv@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 4:23 PM > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Location of Robinsonville > > > >I think Jim is right that Scatter Creek was the initial source of water for > > the Robbins family, and that it continued to be the source of water for > > livestock. I believe you can take it as given that as soon as they had a > > roof they improvised a cistern for human use. They would also have looked > > for the closest dowser to tell them where to dig a well, as even large > > cisterns could become a bit rank, or even be emptied, in time of prolonged > > drought. > > > > "Col.." John Robbins, son of Nathaniel Robbins, and husband of Cynthia > > Humphreys Robbins took a headright in his own name and participated in > > another that was obtained in the name of his father-in-law by Humphrey's > > heirs. John Robbins, for whom Robbinsville took its name, would almost > > certainly have contrived to have the town on his headright, so a headright > > map such as the one at the Tax District office would provide a reliable > > indication of the town's whereabouts. Robbins was an aggressive, > > thigh-slapping individual of inordinate ambition (he tried to get the > > Republic of Texas to locate the projected Dallas-toward-the-US highway to > > be > > sited along a Robbins turning-row). Robbins came to the area with the > > "Nathaniel Robbins Party,' in 1818. His name appears in several surviving > > issues of the Northern Standard- > > > > ---- Original Message ----- > > From: "Cynthia Samples" <samples@1starnet.com> > > To: "Jim Giddens" <jimgidd@suddenlink.net>; <txredriv@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 3:22 PM > > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Location of Robinsonville > > > > > >> My mother told me that the roadside park on Hwy 82 was in just about the > >> exact location of the old Robbinsville School. All the old timers called > >> that general area Robbinsville, but there is nothing left. I remember > >> when > >> there were lots of houses there. There are none now. > >> > >> Cynthia > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Jim Giddens" <jimgidd@suddenlink.net> > >> To: <txredriv@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 2:30 PM > >> Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Location of Robinsonville > >> > >> > >>> Robbinsville is basically at the intersection of US 82 and CR 2106 > >>> (county > >>> road) that runs north to Bagwell This put it about 1/4 mile east of > >>> where > >>> Ward Creek run into Scatter. It is not certain to me the pin point > >>> location. I feel certain that Scatter Creek (or Ward) was their water > >>> supply. Just east of the intersection at 82 about 1/4 mile is a road > >>> side park, maybe this was the actually location. > >>> However, I have found what remains of a couple of grave marker, up CR > >>> 2106 > >>> about 1/4 to 1/2 mile, on your left (west side) about 100 feet before > >>> you > >>> reach a corral and about 50 to 80 feet from the fence in the pasture. > >>> This land is owned by ______Somerville and his wife Connie. The > >>> remains > >>> are only a base ( with a slot in it) that held the slab type marker. > >>> All > >>> the markers were carried about some years back (maybe 80). These > >>> remains > >>> is all of Robbinsville that is left that I know anything of. > >>> William Becknell is buried in a pasture about 200 feet south of US > >>> 82, > >>> about a mile or so east of the mentioned road side park. Some have > >>> referred to this cemetery as the Robbinsville Cemetery, but that is > >>> not > >>> where Robbinsville was. > >>> When the railroad came in about 2 miles north of Robbinsville, it was > >>> only a short time until the community moved to the railroad and became > >>> Bagwell. > >>> FYI: up north on the Ward Creek, Cool Creek from Bagwell runs into > >>> it. > >>> Also, Robbinsville will be about 7 miles west of Clarksville on 82. > >>> Jim Giddens > >>> Paris, Tx > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "Gary Pinkerton" <gpinkerton@gt.rr.com> > >>> To: "RootsWeb - Red River County" <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> > >>> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 1:41 PM > >>> Subject: [TXREDRIV] Location of Robinsonville > >>> > >>> > >>>> Anyone know the location of old Robinsonville in Red River County? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Gary Pinkerton > >>>> > >>>> www.trammelstrace.org > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ------------------------------- > >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>>> TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>> TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Doris, I have used both film and digital cameras for tombstone recording. As you can imagine, the digital format makes it much for flexible and easy to accomplish. I did have good luck with film, but I ended up with alot of pictures that weren't quite readable at times and obviously I couldn't zoom in or rotate when needed. My advise is to go digital if you haven't already. I would suggest something 5 megapixel and above. The reason isn't for basic photos, but for use when you get the harder to read inscriptions from years of weathering. When I run across the more weathered stones, I raise the picture quality so that I can zoom in on my pc to get a better look. Being digital also allows you the luxury of multiple angles and distances on a particularly hard to read stone. If I have any question on a stone, I will usually take 3-4 pics of it from slightly different angles and distances. At times, I will take a pic of the entire stone at a distance where the entire stone is visible in the cemetery sitting, one closest enough to only see the stone, one from a right askew angle and one from the left the same way. This helps with light reflection and shadows. You will find in stones with a "shiny" or "buffed" coat that if you stand/squat differently in front of the stone, you will appear as in a mirror, which obviously is a negative on the shadows and lighting on the writing. Another thing to consider is angle of the sun, try and get the light you need without a direct exposure of the sun. This will help you from "washing" out the lighter stones and making them very hard to read. The only type of stone that I have a very hard time photographing is the pink limestone style. The engraving makes it hard to read in person and at times almost impossible to read in a picture without some real study for the shot. I usually get them, but there are some that I have a real problem reading. Old white stones that have worn down can be very difficult also, but usually a good photo program can seperate the white from the shadows (writing). A trick to use while reading on your pc is negative proof. It reverses the white and black essentially, which gives you a view like a film negative. At times, it is the only way I am able to read very old tombstones. Every major photo program will have this option. I would also encourage no use of external liquids or other enhancers on stones. It has an adverse effect, even if ever so slight. Use mild soap and water if you need to or a natural bristle brush, but nothing plastic or harsh. Even plastic brushese contain chemicals that rub off on the stone. Using natural fiber brushes is the way I have always been instructed to go from some very top researchers in the field. I have over 3000 photos of tombstones digitally and I have no idea on film. It is so easy to take extra photos and even entire cemeteries if you have the time. I index them on my pc and have thought very seriously of starting a website, but simply haven't had the time. Any reference you see of me on the RR website has a digital photo that I can send. Most of all, have fun with it and enjoy your time studying the act of it. We are preserving history in these photos and at some point, your photos might be the only link to an unknown grave location or a person that has been forgotten. Thanks, Drew Slate Fort Worth, Tx ---- Dontest@aol.com wrote: > Can someone give me some tips for getting good headstone photographs? > Usually, I get a picture of the headstone but not the inscriptions. > Thanks > Doris > > > > ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am looking at the map I have by the General Land Office. It clearly shows the John Robbins land plot. It show the Robbins plot does Not cover the area where the road-side park is today. This is on Beckenell land. The John Robbins lands start on the west edge of the CR 2106 on this lay over map. The southeast point (corner) of Robbin's land is where 2106 and US 82 meet. Robbins boundary runs from this point due north about 2+ miles and due west close to 2 miles. It is a pure rectangle. Scatter Creek runs northwestward through Robbins land. The old 82 from Bagwell to Detroit runs across the Robbins land with about 1/3 of his land being to the north of 82. The new 82 that bypasses Bagwell (or the old stage line maybe) runs across the lower southwest corner of the Robbins land. I wish this map explained what all the roads on this map actually are. This map shows what appear to me to be the new 82 that bypasses Bagwell but it is dated as being drawn up in 1935 my the Land Office. Maybe the roads were updated on the map at a much later date. Strange: a curving line with hash marks across it about every 1/2 inch on the 2ft x 3 ft map. The line transverses the county. On east side of the county it run primarily about a mile south of the present day 82. It runs thru Clarksville then makes a straight line northwestward and runs about 1/4 mile south of Bagwell. It continues west northward and makes a smooth curve going back southward and runs southwestward about a mile north of Detroit. It continues southwestward. This line runs west northwestward across the far north end of Becknell's land and barley clips the northeast corner of Robbins land. Maybe you would have to see it to grasp it. BTW, the Bluff Cemetery is on the Robbins plot. Seems strange that Robbins would place his township in the corner of his large section of land. Maybe it was to be close to Becknell people for protection etc. Jim Giddens Paris, Tx ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Howison" <jhowison@suddenlink.net> To: <txredriv@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 4:23 PM Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Location of Robinsonville >I think Jim is right that Scatter Creek was the initial source of water for > the Robbins family, and that it continued to be the source of water for > livestock. I believe you can take it as given that as soon as they had a > roof they improvised a cistern for human use. They would also have looked > for the closest dowser to tell them where to dig a well, as even large > cisterns could become a bit rank, or even be emptied, in time of prolonged > drought. > > "Col.." John Robbins, son of Nathaniel Robbins, and husband of Cynthia > Humphreys Robbins took a headright in his own name and participated in > another that was obtained in the name of his father-in-law by Humphrey's > heirs. John Robbins, for whom Robbinsville took its name, would almost > certainly have contrived to have the town on his headright, so a headright > map such as the one at the Tax District office would provide a reliable > indication of the town's whereabouts. Robbins was an aggressive, > thigh-slapping individual of inordinate ambition (he tried to get the > Republic of Texas to locate the projected Dallas-toward-the-US highway to > be > sited along a Robbins turning-row). Robbins came to the area with the > "Nathaniel Robbins Party,' in 1818. His name appears in several surviving > issues of the Northern Standard- > > ---- Original Message ----- > From: "Cynthia Samples" <samples@1starnet.com> > To: "Jim Giddens" <jimgidd@suddenlink.net>; <txredriv@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 3:22 PM > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Location of Robinsonville > > >> My mother told me that the roadside park on Hwy 82 was in just about the >> exact location of the old Robbinsville School. All the old timers called >> that general area Robbinsville, but there is nothing left. I remember >> when >> there were lots of houses there. There are none now. >> >> Cynthia >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jim Giddens" <jimgidd@suddenlink.net> >> To: <txredriv@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 2:30 PM >> Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Location of Robinsonville >> >> >>> Robbinsville is basically at the intersection of US 82 and CR 2106 >>> (county >>> road) that runs north to Bagwell This put it about 1/4 mile east of >>> where >>> Ward Creek run into Scatter. It is not certain to me the pin point >>> location. I feel certain that Scatter Creek (or Ward) was their water >>> supply. Just east of the intersection at 82 about 1/4 mile is a road >>> side park, maybe this was the actually location. >>> However, I have found what remains of a couple of grave marker, up CR >>> 2106 >>> about 1/4 to 1/2 mile, on your left (west side) about 100 feet before >>> you >>> reach a corral and about 50 to 80 feet from the fence in the pasture. >>> This land is owned by ______Somerville and his wife Connie. The >>> remains >>> are only a base ( with a slot in it) that held the slab type marker. >>> All >>> the markers were carried about some years back (maybe 80). These >>> remains >>> is all of Robbinsville that is left that I know anything of. >>> William Becknell is buried in a pasture about 200 feet south of US >>> 82, >>> about a mile or so east of the mentioned road side park. Some have >>> referred to this cemetery as the Robbinsville Cemetery, but that is >>> not >>> where Robbinsville was. >>> When the railroad came in about 2 miles north of Robbinsville, it was >>> only a short time until the community moved to the railroad and became >>> Bagwell. >>> FYI: up north on the Ward Creek, Cool Creek from Bagwell runs into >>> it. >>> Also, Robbinsville will be about 7 miles west of Clarksville on 82. >>> Jim Giddens >>> Paris, Tx >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Gary Pinkerton" <gpinkerton@gt.rr.com> >>> To: "RootsWeb - Red River County" <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 1:41 PM >>> Subject: [TXREDRIV] Location of Robinsonville >>> >>> >>>> Anyone know the location of old Robinsonville in Red River County? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Gary Pinkerton >>>> >>>> www.trammelstrace.org >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have Newsome family line........Abasolom Lawson Newsom(e) born 1846 in Red River Co. TX married Easter Alabama McGuire. any connections? Linda >Hello My Red River Family > >Here is a link to a photo of my grandmother and most >of the Robinsville population at the Robinsville >school circa 1910. ><http://www.rootsweb.com/~txredriv/rville.html> >This photo was taken near the site of the town which >had a church, stables, gin, store(at least one)and >several houses - farms, etc. >I would love to converse with others who had family >ties to the Robinsville community. My Grandmother was >born and raised there(obviously). >My family lines included: >Newsome/Ratliff/Conley/Adams/Stokes/Pitman/Hurt/Farmer/Rawls/Gossett/Foster >- pretty much everyboby from the area. We ended up in >New Boston and Paris. >Lets catch up on some family history, shall we?! > >Thanks sooooooooo much in advance, > >Carl > > > >____________________________________________________________________________________ >Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, >news, photos & more. >http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks to everyone who replied to my question about headstone photography. You gave some great tips and now I can't wait to try some of them. Again, thanks. Doris ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

> Could that be 82 and CR2142 instead? > No, on the map it says 2106. The numbers have happened in recent years. There was an old dirt road just a little bit south of where 82 is now. I was told that was once where the old stagecoach route ran. As far as I know the road has totally disappeared. Cynthia

That is interesting that you would say that as I was told years ago by a woman who was very experienced that it was perfectly safe. Of course I always wipe it off with a wet paper towel when I am through but I will keep your advice in mind. On 6/3/07, Pam Arnold <pparnold@earthlink.net> wrote: > > > PLease dont use the shaving cream - it will erode the stones. > > -----Original Message----- > From: txredriv-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:txredriv-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Charmaine Riley > Holley > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 9:09 PM > To: txredriv@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Headstone Photographs > > > I always carry a can of shaving cream and spray the inscription - no > matter > how shallow the inscription is it photographs great. > > charmaine > > On 6/3/07, Dontest@aol.com <Dontest@aol.com> wrote: > > > > Can someone give me some tips for getting good headstone photographs? > > Usually, I get a picture of the headstone but not the inscriptions. > > Thanks > > Doris > > > > > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > > http://www.aol.com. > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

PLease dont use the shaving cream - it will erode the stones. -----Original Message----- From: txredriv-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:txredriv-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Charmaine Riley Holley Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 9:09 PM To: txredriv@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Headstone Photographs I always carry a can of shaving cream and spray the inscription - no matter how shallow the inscription is it photographs great. charmaine On 6/3/07, Dontest@aol.com <Dontest@aol.com> wrote: > > Can someone give me some tips for getting good headstone photographs? > Usually, I get a picture of the headstone but not the inscriptions. > Thanks > Doris > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Carl Can you tell us more about the Pitman's and Foster's in your family? Pam -----Original Message----- From: txredriv-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:txredriv-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Mr.Carl Haskins Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 8:09 PM To: txredriv@rootsweb.com Subject: [TXREDRIV] Cynthia and Jim,etal - a Robinsville photo of my family... Hello My Red River Family Here is a link to a photo of my grandmother and most of the Robinsville population at the Robinsville school circa 1910. <http://www.rootsweb.com/~txredriv/rville.html> This photo was taken near the site of the town which had a church, stables, gin, store(at least one)and several houses - farms, etc. I would love to converse with others who had family ties to the Robinsville community. My Grandmother was born and raised there(obviously). My family lines included: Newsome/Ratliff/Conley/Adams/Stokes/Pitman/Hurt/Farmer/Rawls/Gossett/Foster - pretty much everyboby from the area. We ended up in New Boston and Paris. Lets catch up on some family history, shall we?! Thanks sooooooooo much in advance, Carl ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Could that be 82 and CR2142 instead? -----Original Message----- From: txredriv-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:txredriv-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jim Giddens Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 2:30 PM To: txredriv@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Location of Robinsonville Robbinsville is basically at the intersection of US 82 and CR 2106 (county road) that runs north to Bagwell This put it about 1/4 mile east of where Ward Creek run into Scatter. It is not certain to me the pin point location. I feel certain that Scatter Creek (or Ward) was their water supply. Just east of the intersection at 82 about 1/4 mile is a road side park, maybe this was the actually location. However, I have found what remains of a couple of grave marker, up CR 2106 about 1/4 to 1/2 mile, on your left (west side) about 100 feet before you reach a corral and about 50 to 80 feet from the fence in the pasture. This land is owned by ______Somerville and his wife Connie. The remains are only a base ( with a slot in it) that held the slab type marker. All the markers were carried about some years back (maybe 80). These remains is all of Robbinsville that is left that I know anything of. William Becknell is buried in a pasture about 200 feet south of US 82, about a mile or so east of the mentioned road side park. Some have referred to this cemetery as the Robbinsville Cemetery, but that is not where Robbinsville was. When the railroad came in about 2 miles north of Robbinsville, it was only a short time until the community moved to the railroad and became Bagwell. FYI: up north on the Ward Creek, Cool Creek from Bagwell runs into it. Also, Robbinsville will be about 7 miles west of Clarksville on 82. Jim Giddens Paris, Tx ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Pinkerton" <gpinkerton@gt.rr.com> To: "RootsWeb - Red River County" <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 1:41 PM Subject: [TXREDRIV] Location of Robinsonville > Anyone know the location of old Robinsonville in Red River County? > > > > > > Gary Pinkerton > > www.trammelstrace.org > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I always carry a can of shaving cream and spray the inscription - no matter how shallow the inscription is it photographs great. charmaine On 6/3/07, Dontest@aol.com <Dontest@aol.com> wrote: > > Can someone give me some tips for getting good headstone photographs? > Usually, I get a picture of the headstone but not the inscriptions. > Thanks > Doris > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello My Red River Family Here is a link to a photo of my grandmother and most of the Robinsville population at the Robinsville school circa 1910. <http://www.rootsweb.com/~txredriv/rville.html> This photo was taken near the site of the town which had a church, stables, gin, store(at least one)and several houses - farms, etc. I would love to converse with others who had family ties to the Robinsville community. My Grandmother was born and raised there(obviously). My family lines included: Newsome/Ratliff/Conley/Adams/Stokes/Pitman/Hurt/Farmer/Rawls/Gossett/Foster - pretty much everyboby from the area. We ended up in New Boston and Paris. Lets catch up on some family history, shall we?! Thanks sooooooooo much in advance, Carl ____________________________________________________________________________________ Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC

Doris. I would contact Mary Hall Ferguson who is taking pictures of tombstones in Lamar County. This is her link _Homepage of AT ONE TIME_ (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~atonetime/index.html) You can see the pictures she has taken of the tombstones and then contact her by signing her guest book and maybe she will email you back. I think her pictures are good. Good luck, Debra ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

I think Jim is right that Scatter Creek was the initial source of water for the Robbins family, and that it continued to be the source of water for livestock. I believe you can take it as given that as soon as they had a roof they improvised a cistern for human use. They would also have looked for the closest dowser to tell them where to dig a well, as even large cisterns could become a bit rank, or even be emptied, in time of prolonged drought. "Col.." John Robbins, son of Nathaniel Robbins, and husband of Cynthia Humphreys Robbins took a headright in his own name and participated in another that was obtained in the name of his father-in-law by Humphrey's heirs. John Robbins, for whom Robbinsville took its name, would almost certainly have contrived to have the town on his headright, so a headright map such as the one at the Tax District office would provide a reliable indication of the town's whereabouts. Robbins was an aggressive, thigh-slapping individual of inordinate ambition (he tried to get the Republic of Texas to locate the projected Dallas-toward-the-US highway to be sited along a Robbins turning-row). Robbins came to the area with the "Nathaniel Robbins Party,' in 1818. His name appears in several surviving issues of the Northern Standard- ---- Original Message ----- From: "Cynthia Samples" <samples@1starnet.com> To: "Jim Giddens" <jimgidd@suddenlink.net>; <txredriv@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Location of Robinsonville > My mother told me that the roadside park on Hwy 82 was in just about the > exact location of the old Robbinsville School. All the old timers called > that general area Robbinsville, but there is nothing left. I remember > when > there were lots of houses there. There are none now. > > Cynthia > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Giddens" <jimgidd@suddenlink.net> > To: <txredriv@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 2:30 PM > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Location of Robinsonville > > >> Robbinsville is basically at the intersection of US 82 and CR 2106 >> (county >> road) that runs north to Bagwell This put it about 1/4 mile east of where >> Ward Creek run into Scatter. It is not certain to me the pin point >> location. I feel certain that Scatter Creek (or Ward) was their water >> supply. Just east of the intersection at 82 about 1/4 mile is a road >> side park, maybe this was the actually location. >> However, I have found what remains of a couple of grave marker, up CR >> 2106 >> about 1/4 to 1/2 mile, on your left (west side) about 100 feet before you >> reach a corral and about 50 to 80 feet from the fence in the pasture. >> This land is owned by ______Somerville and his wife Connie. The >> remains >> are only a base ( with a slot in it) that held the slab type marker. >> All >> the markers were carried about some years back (maybe 80). These >> remains >> is all of Robbinsville that is left that I know anything of. >> William Becknell is buried in a pasture about 200 feet south of US >> 82, >> about a mile or so east of the mentioned road side park. Some have >> referred to this cemetery as the Robbinsville Cemetery, but that is not >> where Robbinsville was. >> When the railroad came in about 2 miles north of Robbinsville, it was >> only a short time until the community moved to the railroad and became >> Bagwell. >> FYI: up north on the Ward Creek, Cool Creek from Bagwell runs into >> it. >> Also, Robbinsville will be about 7 miles west of Clarksville on 82. >> Jim Giddens >> Paris, Tx >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Gary Pinkerton" <gpinkerton@gt.rr.com> >> To: "RootsWeb - Red River County" <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 1:41 PM >> Subject: [TXREDRIV] Location of Robinsonville >> >> >>> Anyone know the location of old Robinsonville in Red River County? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Gary Pinkerton >>> >>> www.trammelstrace.org >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >