I have found no reference to this Jim Roberts in my other two family lines of Mitchells or Stringers. I am connected to the Mowery and Monkhouse both. This is my understanding of the line. Please correct me if I am wrong and I would love to know what more you know of the Florence Roberts family....my connection is that her son Gene Monkhouse was my great Uncle and Aunt Audrey doesnt remember so well. Charles (CE Monkhouse) married Frances E Mowery and their son Corley Monkhouse married Florence Roberts. Florence had a brother Jake Roberts that Married Gracie Satcher.... now back to Frances Mowery Monkhouse.......she had a sister Lucinda Mowery that Married Jim Roberts......dont know if all of these Roberts are related but I bet they are. Frances and brother Jake lived down at hopwell not far from my great uncle and aunt Gene and Audrey Monkhouse. I just dont have any information on Frances and Jake to connect them to Jim. Another interesting thing is that Corley Monkhouse's uncle was Robert Monkhouse that married Susie Thoms/Mowery. Frances Mowery that married Charles (Corley father) Monkhouse father was James Mowery and he was married to Susan Thoms first then she married Charles's brother Robert Monkhouse. Talk about confusing............it can happen. Donna Dilbeck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beverly Presson" <bevpresson@sbcglobal.net> To: <txredriv@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 11:53 AM Subject: [TXREDRIV] Jim Roberts > Hi Donna and Jo: > What I have on Jim Roberts isn't much and what I have is confusing, guess > this is a family I need to concentrate on. Jim Roberts married Lucinda > Mowery 1-9-1890 in Red River, the marriage license gives his name as J.M. > Roberts. Jim and Lucinda only had one child, a daughter who died at birth > 11/2/1890. On the 1900 census Jim gives his birth date as Nov 1867. Jim > died May 16, 1947, he is buried at Hopewell. In the Dale's cemetery > records it has James P. Roberts b. Sept 1, 1864. > > The only other Roberts I have are Florence Roberts and her family. > Florence married Corely Monkhouse. Not sure if Jim and Florence are > relate. If either of you need information for Florence Roberts please let > met know. > > Beverly > Bakersfield, CA > > I > > Jo Cox <jocox@arkansas.net> wrote: > I would like to know about Jim Roberts also. I have Roberts in RR County. > > JO > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Donna Dilbeck" > To: > Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 6:08 PM > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Mowery Reunion > > >> Hi Beverly, >> I have ties to the Monkhouse family....my great aunt married Gene >> Monkhouse >> ...son of Corley M. .. I am related to Luther Monroe Mowery thru my >> Hunkapillar family..... My sister in law are just nearly realated....but >> we >> are not..by blood... she is the grand daughter of Vela Monkhouse and if >> memory is correct...Charley.... Can you tell me more about the Jim >> Roberts? >> I am related to some Roberts too.... Thanks Donna Ervin Dilbeck >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Beverly Presson" >> To: "Jim Giddens" ; >> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 5:21 PM >> Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Mowery Reunion >> >> >>> >>> James and Susan had three children, two of which are also buried at >>> Hopewell. Lucinda married Jim Roberts, Frances married Charley "Bud" >>> Monkhouse. Luther Monroe I believe is buried at Idabel. >>> Beverly >>> Bakersfield, CA >>> >>> Jim Giddens wrote: >>> Thanks so much Beverly, >>> I remember making notes of the Thoms graves at Hopewell but I did not >>> know >>> of the connection. >>> I will probably slip your point into my presentation. "Presentation", >>> that >>> sounds like a big word for a old boy just "rambling" on in person. >>> I keep turning up new (old) information and I still have not made me an >>> outline, I better get that done to help me to not skip over main points >>> and to be able to conserve time. >>> Jim G >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Beverly Presson >>> To: Jim Giddens ; txredriv@rootsweb.com >>> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 6:17 AM >>> Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Mowery Reunion >>> >>> >>> Jim: >>> Jame's wife was Susie Thoms, sister to my gg grandfather, William Edward >>> Thoms. Susie married Robert Monkhouse after the dead of James and is >>> buried at Hopewell. >>> Beverly >>> Bakersfield, CA >>> >>> Jim Giddens wrote: >>> No, not the same, it is her mother, wife of my GG GF Wiley W Giddens >>> A little strange for daughter to have the same name but boys do it all >>> the >>> time. Middle names probably different. I think J.R. Mowery wife >>> remarried in Lamar County but I forget the name. She is probably buried >>> in >>> Lamar Co. >>> Jim G >>> p.s. poor J.R. Mowery, buried all alone over in the corner of the >>> cemetery. >>> Only Mowery in the Cemetery. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Mike Gibson" >>> To: ; >>> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 8:01 PM >>> Subject: RE: [TXREDRIV] Mowery Reunion >>> >>> >>>> Jim, >>>> >>>> The index shows J.R. Mowery born Dec. 24, 1839, died October 25, 1881, >>>> buried at Concord. >>>> Could not find Malinda Mowery, but I did find Malinda Giddens born >>>> Sept. >>>> 25, 1826, died November 30, 1851, buried at Concord. This may not be >>>> the >>>> same Malinda. >>>> >>>> Mike Gibson >>>> Mesquite, Texas >>>> >>>> >>>>>From: "Jim Giddens" >>>>>Reply-To: Jim Giddens , txredriv@rootsweb.com >>>>>To: "Red River Co Tx Rootsweb" >>>>>Subject: [TXREDRIV] Mowery Reunion >>>>>Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 22:29:28 -0500 >>>>> >>>>>Genealogy group: >>>>> I have been asked to a Mowery reunion in Idabel, Ok this Saturday >>>>> (9th). My GG GF's sister, Malinda Giddens married Mathias Mowery in >>>>> the early 1800s. >>>>> I have been asked to give my presentation on my Giddens connection to >>>>> the Mowerys in the a.m. and in the afternoon to give my presentation >>>>> on >>>>> Lt. J.R. Giddens that died in the Indian battle in Jan 1865 as a >>>>> Confederate soldier assigned to the Texas Indian Frontier. Lt Giddens >>>>> was a brother of Malinda. >>>>> It is interesting that Mathias & Malinda named one of there sons, >>>>> James Richard (Mowery), same given name as Lt. Giddens, but Lt Giddens >>>>> was still a boy when the other J.R. was born. >>>>> I did give the Lt Giddens and some information on the forts he was >>>>> connected with to the Paris, Son of the Confederate meeting this past >>>>> Monday night. >>>>> I feel a little awkward being asked to speak, but I am honored for >>>>> sure to be asked. >>>>>The reunion will be at the Choctaw Community Center. I will be back in >>>>>Paris by 6 for a birthday party for my only great grandchild. Addie >>>>>will >>>>>be 4. It is great that any child gets to know their great grandparent. >>>>>I hope to put more memories in her head as she grows up, but we never >>>>>know how much longer that will be. >>>>>Say a few words for me for Saturday. >>>>>Jim Giddens >>>>>Paris, Tx >>>>>p.s. Lt Giddens was born in 1829 and J.R. Mowery was born either in >>>>>1831 >>>>>or 1839. My plot is smeared at the date, so I will have to check that >>>>>out. Also, J.R. Mowery is buried at Concord (Giddens) Cemetery. >>>>>I will need to check on where Malinda was buried. I think she remarried >>>>>in Lamar County after Mathias died. >>>>> >>>>>------------------------------- >>>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes I suspect that a lot of folks in trouble with the law became Smiths judging from some I know ----- Original Message ----- From: "Reecie" <rstanley@ndemand.com> To: <txredriv@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 8:09 PM Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Census Records Question > People were known to change their names if they were having trouble with > the law. > Some just did not like their name. We had a Fudge surname changed to > Forbis. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joyce A King > To: txredriv@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 9:34 AM > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Census Records Question > > > A lady and I have connected our gr grandparents through a DNA project, > however, through years of searching and every different spelling of their > names, we have never found them on a census record anywhere--I even hired > a professional to do the census check and he couldn't find anything - so, > my question is, why would there be people that never show up on a census > record? Has anyone else had this problem? Were the census records so > inaccurate that this could happen? Anyone have any opinions on this? > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.13/842 - Release Date: 6/9/2007 > 10:46 AM > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

In one census, my ggfather and children were listed, but ten years later they had disappeared. I found them by chance reading the entire census and finding GW Bates with my ggfather's children. Undoubtedly, the census taker wrote out GW Bates rather than GW Butts, my ggfather, who could not read nor write as many of his earlier documents were signed with an"X"; later he learned to write his name as it appears on some later documents. Billy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Cooper" <bcooper@mc2k.com> To: <txredriv@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Census Records Question > Joyce, it makes a difference if you are talking about a maternal or > paternal > DNA print match. > > The paternal DNA print test is on the Y-Chromosome which is unique to the > male and is passed from father to son generation after generation and > changes rarely, like on the average one-marker every 500-years as such is > very useful in identifying familial kinships going back through the years. > If you cannot find your most recent common ancestor back to 1850 it > becomes > much more difficult, if not impossible beyond that. If you have not used > the > message boards in genealogy.com, you may try that. > > I have found numerous irregularities with census records which compounds > the > problems when searching census records. I found one ancestor in RRC where > the first name was listed as the last name in the 1860 USC. I found it > only > by doing a page by page search of the census. > > If it is a materal match this is another issue. I have yet to find a > common > ancestor with 20-25 mtDNA print matches with my mother's DNA print > withother > families. I have not gotten off the ground with this type of match > research. > > Regards, > > H. Ben Cooper > Bella Vista, Arkansas > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joyce A King" <jkin467@juno.com> > To: <txredriv@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 9:34 AM > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Census Records Question > > > A lady and I have connected our gr grandparents through a DNA project, > however, through years of searching and every different spelling of their > names, we have never found them on a census record anywhere--I even hired > a > professional to do the census check and he couldn't find anything - so, my > question is, why would there be people that never show up on a census > record? Has anyone else had this problem? Were the census records so > inaccurate that this could happen? Anyone have any opinions on this? > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

People were known to change their names if they were having trouble with the law. Some just did not like their name. We had a Fudge surname changed to Forbis. ----- Original Message ----- From: Joyce A King To: txredriv@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 9:34 AM Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Census Records Question A lady and I have connected our gr grandparents through a DNA project, however, through years of searching and every different spelling of their names, we have never found them on a census record anywhere--I even hired a professional to do the census check and he couldn't find anything - so, my question is, why would there be people that never show up on a census record? Has anyone else had this problem? Were the census records so inaccurate that this could happen? Anyone have any opinions on this? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.13/842 - Release Date: 6/9/2007 10:46 AM

We don't actually get a DNA sample from an ancestor, however, many of the folks that have had their DNA test done, know who their ancestors were for many generations. I have about 16 folks that match my brother's DNA - three of them are very close and one person matches all 37 DNA markers. Unfortunately, the person that has the 37 marker match is like me and only has info back to her gr grandfather and not much on him. The more people that get tested the better the odds. Hopefully, someday we'll figure it out - if not, we've tried everything we can. On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 17:31:32 EDT NANAREB@aol.com writes: > > > In a message dated 6/10/07 3:08:28 PM Central Daylight Time, > pdafft@juno.com > writes: > > > A DNA match shows that the two of you have a common ancestor, BUT it > does > not tell you where that match is. It may very well be before the > 1850 > > I hope this isn't a dumb question, but I just have to ask it. Where > do you > get an DNA sample of an ancester? My mind is giving me crazy > answers. > > > > .··-.¸.-··. (`'·.¸(`'·.¸ ¸.·'´)¸.·'´) .··-.¸.-··. > `·. .·´ «..* Edith *..» `·. .·` > (¸.·'´(¸.·'´ `'·.¸)`'·.¸) > > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

LOL!! We undoubtedly have the same great grandparents!!! My husband's great grandparents never show up - I think they are in the smeared unreadable lines, they didn't answer the door, the census taker couldn't understand them and called them the Joneses, they moved every time there was a census and they were on the road. They were invisible! ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

In a message dated 6/10/07 3:08:28 PM Central Daylight Time, pdafft@juno.com writes: A DNA match shows that the two of you have a common ancestor, BUT it does not tell you where that match is. It may very well be before the 1850 I hope this isn't a dumb question, but I just have to ask it. Where do you get an DNA sample of an ancester? My mind is giving me crazy answers. .··-.¸.-··. (`'·.¸(`'·.¸ ¸.·'´)¸.·'´) .··-.¸.-··. `·. .·´ «..* Edith *..» `·. .·` (¸.·'´(¸.·'´ `'·.¸)`'·.¸) ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

I'm not in this family, but I thought your answer was cute and clever, and probably right on! Thanks for the smile. ----- Original Message ----- From: <NANAREB@aol.com> To: <txredriv@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Census Records Question In a message dated 6/10/07 9:41:25 AM Central Daylight Time, pparnold@earthlink.net writes: My husband's great grandparents never show up - I think they are in the smeared unreadable lines, they didn't answer the door, the census taker couldn't understand them and called them the Joneses, they moved every time there was a census and they were on the road. They were invisible! Or the census taker misspelled their names so badly it doesn't hit when you spell it correctly. My grandmother's name was Genevieve, but on one census, the census taker put her down as Jennie V. .··-.¸.-··. (`'·.¸(`'·.¸ ¸.·'´)¸.·'´) .··-.¸.-··. `·. .·´ «..* Edith *..» `·. .·` (¸.·'´(¸.·'´ `'·.¸)`'·.¸) In loving memory of Elizabeth B. Post August 8, 2006 Co-Coordinator: Heartmade Blessings Comfortghan Program "Caring Hearts, Touching Lives, One Stitch at a Time" _http://www.heartmadeblessings.org/_ (http://www.heartmadeblessings.org/) A Member of CrochetList Admin ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Joyce: A DNA match shows that the two of you have a common ancestor, BUT it does not tell you where that match is. It may very well be before the 1850 when all names of a famnily were listed, or several generation further back. But you can bet the farm there is a connection somewhere. Paul Dafft On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 11:06:33 -0600 txredriv-request@rootsweb.com writes: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Census Records Question (Joyce A King) > 2. Re: Census Records Question (Pam Arnold) > 3. Re: Census Records Question (NANAREB@aol.com) > 4. Re: Census Records Question (Carol or Billy) > 5. Re: Census Records Question (Pam Arnold) > 6. Jim Roberts (Beverly Presson) > 7. Re: Jim Roberts (steve harris) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 09:34:53 -0500 > From: Joyce A King <jkin467@juno.com> > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Census Records Question > To: txredriv@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <20070610.093454.-193141.8.jkin467@juno.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > A lady and I have connected our gr grandparents through a DNA > project, > however, through years of searching and every different spelling of > their > names, we have never found them on a census record anywhere--I even > hired > a professional to do the census check and he couldn't find anything > - so, > my question is, why would there be people that never show up on a > census > record? Has anyone else had this problem? Were the census records > so > inaccurate that this could happen? Anyone have any opinions on > this? > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 09:42:33 -0500 > From: "Pam Arnold" <pparnold@earthlink.net> > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Census Records Question > To: <txredriv@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <NIBBJMNLIECDKAOKFMIFCEGDHAAA.pparnold@earthlink.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > My husband's great grandparents never show up - I think they are in > the > smeared unreadable lines, they didn't answer the door, the census > taker > couldn't understand them and called them the Joneses, they moved > every time > there was a census and they were on the road. They were invisible! > > To make up for it I do have 2 great uncles that are counted twice in > 1900 - > once at home and once on the relatives farm where they were > working. > > Try working backwards - death/cemetery records, land records, > marriage, > newspapers, church records, etc. > > Good luck. > > Pam > > > > > > A lady and I have connected our gr grandparents through a DNA > project, > however, through years of searching and every different spelling of > their > names, we have never found them on a census record anywhere--I even > hired > a professional to do the census check and he couldn't find anything > - so, > my question is, why would there be people that never show up on a > census > record? Has anyone else had this problem? Were the census records > so > inaccurate that this could happen? Anyone have any opinions on > this? > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 10:48:19 EDT > From: NANAREB@aol.com > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Census Records Question > To: txredriv@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <ca9.1100041d.339d6933@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" > > > > In a message dated 6/10/07 9:41:25 AM Central Daylight Time, > pparnold@earthlink.net writes: > > My husband's great grandparents never show up - I think they are in > the > smeared unreadable lines, they didn't answer the door, the census > taker > couldn't understand them and called them the Joneses, they moved > every time > there was a census and they were on the road. They were invisible! > > Or the census taker misspelled their names so badly it doesn't hit > when you > spell it correctly. My grandmother's name was Genevieve, but on one > census, > the census taker put her down as Jennie V. > > > .??-.?.-??. (`'?.?(`'?.? ?.?'?)?.?'?) .??-.?.-??. > `?. .?? ?..* Edith *..? `?. .?` > (?.?'?(?.?'? `'?.?)`'?.?) > In loving memory of Elizabeth B. Post August 8, 2006 > Co-Coordinator: Heartmade Blessings Comfortghan Program > "Caring Hearts, Touching Lives, One Stitch at a Time" > _http://www.heartmadeblessings.org/_ > (http://www.heartmadeblessings.org/) > A Member of CrochetList Admin > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 09:33:14 -0600 > From: "Carol or Billy" <carolbilly94@bresnan.net> > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Census Records Question > To: <txredriv@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <000901c7ab74$a9837830$c2209045@YOUR34EFF17BD0> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Yes, perhaps my experience will help. My ggfather and children were > on a > census but ten years later had disappeared, I found him by reading > the > entire census record and discovered a GW Bates had the same > children's name > as my ggfather, GWButts, so can assume the census taker wrote down > the wrong > name. Apparently my ggfather could not read nor write because some > of the > land records was signed with an "X", so he wouldn't have been aware > of the > mistake; and may not have been very eager to help. Billy----- > Original > Message ----- > From: "Joyce A King" <jkin467@juno.com> > To: <txredriv@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 8:34 AM > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Census Records Question > > > >A lady and I have connected our gr grandparents through a DNA > project, > > however, through years of searching and every different spelling > of their > > names, we have never found them on a census record anywhere--I > even hired > > a professional to do the census check and he couldn't find > anything - so, > > my question is, why would there be people that never show up on a > census > > record? Has anyone else had this problem? Were the census > records so > > inaccurate that this could happen? Anyone have any opinions on > this? > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 10:59:01 -0500 > From: "Pam Arnold" <pparnold@earthlink.net> > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Census Records Question > To: <txredriv@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <NIBBJMNLIECDKAOKFMIFGEGFHAAA.pparnold@earthlink.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Joyce > Tell us all about them - maybe one of us knows the family or can > find them. > It's too hot to play outside today! > > Pam > > > --lady and I have connected our gr grandparents through a DNA > project, > however, through years of searching and every different spelling of > their > names, we have never found them on a census record anywhere-- > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 09:53:16 -0700 (PDT) > From: Beverly Presson <bevpresson@sbcglobal.net> > Subject: [TXREDRIV] Jim Roberts > To: txredriv@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <359770.57931.qm@web83208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Hi Donna and Jo: > What I have on Jim Roberts isn't much and what I have is > confusing, guess this is a family I need to concentrate on. Jim > Roberts married Lucinda Mowery 1-9-1890 in Red River, the marriage > license gives his name as J.M. Roberts. Jim and Lucinda only had one > child, a daughter who died at birth 11/2/1890. On the 1900 census > Jim gives his birth date as Nov 1867. Jim died May 16, 1947, he is > buried at Hopewell. In the Dale's cemetery records it has James P. > Roberts b. Sept 1, 1864. > > The only other Roberts I have are Florence Roberts and her family. > Florence married Corely Monkhouse. Not sure if Jim and Florence > are relate. If either of you need information for Florence Roberts > please let met know. > > Beverly > Bakersfield, CA > > I > > Jo Cox <jocox@arkansas.net> wrote: > I would like to know about Jim Roberts also. I have Roberts in RR > County. > > JO > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Donna Dilbeck" > To: > Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 6:08 PM > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Mowery Reunion > > > > Hi Beverly, > > I have ties to the Monkhouse family....my great aunt married Gene > > > Monkhouse > > ...son of Corley M. .. I am related to Luther Monroe Mowery thru > my > > Hunkapillar family..... My sister in law are just nearly > realated....but > > we > > are not..by blood... she is the grand daughter of Vela Monkhouse > and if > > memory is correct...Charley.... Can you tell me more about the Jim > > > Roberts? > > I am related to some Roberts too.... Thanks Donna Ervin Dilbeck > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Beverly Presson" > > To: "Jim Giddens" ; > > Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 5:21 PM > > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Mowery Reunion > > > > > >> > >> James and Susan had three children, two of which are also buried > at > >> Hopewell. Lucinda married Jim Roberts, Frances married Charley > "Bud" > >> Monkhouse. Luther Monroe I believe is buried at Idabel. > >> Beverly > >> Bakersfield, CA > >> > >> Jim Giddens wrote: > >> Thanks so much Beverly, > >> I remember making notes of the Thoms graves at Hopewell but I did > not > >> know > >> of the connection. > >> I will probably slip your point into my presentation. > "Presentation", > >> that > >> sounds like a big word for a old boy just "rambling" on in > person. > >> I keep turning up new (old) information and I still have not made > me an > >> outline, I better get that done to help me to not skip over main > points > >> and to be able to conserve time. > >> Jim G > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Beverly Presson > >> To: Jim Giddens ; txredriv@rootsweb.com > >> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 6:17 AM > >> Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Mowery Reunion > >> > >> > >> Jim: > >> Jame's wife was Susie Thoms, sister to my gg grandfather, William > Edward > >> Thoms. Susie married Robert Monkhouse after the dead of James and > is > >> buried at Hopewell. > >> Beverly > >> Bakersfield, CA > >> > >> Jim Giddens wrote: > >> No, not the same, it is her mother, wife of my GG GF Wiley W > Giddens > >> A little strange for daughter to have the same name but boys do > it all > >> the > >> time. Middle names probably different. I think J.R. Mowery wife > >> remarried in Lamar County but I forget the name. She is probably > buried > >> in > >> Lamar Co. > >> Jim G > >> p.s. poor J.R. Mowery, buried all alone over in the corner of > the > >> cemetery. > >> Only Mowery in the Cemetery. > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Mike Gibson" > >> To: ; > >> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 8:01 PM > >> Subject: RE: [TXREDRIV] Mowery Reunion > >> > >> > >>> Jim, > >>> > >>> The index shows J.R. Mowery born Dec. 24, 1839, died October 25, > 1881, > >>> buried at Concord. > >>> Could not find Malinda Mowery, but I did find Malinda Giddens > born Sept. > >>> 25, 1826, died November 30, 1851, buried at Concord. This may > not be the > >>> same Malinda. > >>> > >>> Mike Gibson > >>> Mesquite, Texas > >>> > >>> > >>>>From: "Jim Giddens" > >>>>Reply-To: Jim Giddens , txredriv@rootsweb.com > >>>>To: "Red River Co Tx Rootsweb" > >>>>Subject: [TXREDRIV] Mowery Reunion > >>>>Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 22:29:28 -0500 > >>>> > >>>>Genealogy group: > >>>> I have been asked to a Mowery reunion in Idabel, Ok this > Saturday > >>>> (9th). My GG GF's sister, Malinda Giddens married Mathias > Mowery in > >>>> the early 1800s. > >>>> I have been asked to give my presentation on my Giddens > connection to > >>>> the Mowerys in the a.m. and in the afternoon to give my > presentation on > >>>> Lt. J.R. Giddens that died in the Indian battle in Jan 1865 as > a > >>>> Confederate soldier assigned to the Texas Indian Frontier. Lt > Giddens > >>>> was a brother of Malinda. > >>>> It is interesting that Mathias & Malinda named one of there > sons, > >>>> James Richard (Mowery), same given name as Lt. Giddens, but Lt > Giddens > >>>> was still a boy when the other J.R. was born. > >>>> I did give the Lt Giddens and some information on the forts he > was > >>>> connected with to the Paris, Son of the Confederate meeting > this past > >>>> Monday night. > >>>> I feel a little awkward being asked to speak, but I am honored > for > >>>> sure to be asked. > >>>>The reunion will be at the Choctaw Community Center. I will be > back in > >>>>Paris by 6 for a birthday party for my only great grandchild. > Addie will > be 4. It is great that any child gets to know their great > grandparent. > >>>>I hope to put more memories in her head as she grows up, but we > never > >>>>know how much longer that will be. > >>>>Say a few words for me for Saturday. > >>>>Jim Giddens > >>>>Paris, Tx > >>>>p.s. Lt Giddens was born in 1829 and J.R. Mowery was born either > in 1831 > >>>>or 1839. My plot is smeared at the date, so I will have to check > that > >>>>out. Also, J.R. Mowery is buried at Concord (Giddens) Cemetery. > >>>>I will need to check on where Malinda was buried. I think she > remarried > >>>>in Lamar County after Mathias died. > >>>> > >>>>------------------------------- > >>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>>>TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the > >>>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 12:06:02 -0500 > From: "steve harris" <steveharris1@hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Jim Roberts > To: <txredriv@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <BAY113-DAV13AE750F7CBBF8C350EF1C9C1B0@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > too hot to get out is right > > I see in 1880, Hunt Co TX a Roberts family (8 children) with a James > born > 1867 and sister Florence born 1880. Parents are Floyd and Francis > Roberts. > > fwiw > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Beverly Presson" <bevpresson@sbcglobal.net> > To: <txredriv@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 11:53 AM > Subject: [TXREDRIV] Jim Roberts > > > > Hi Donna and Jo: > > What I have on Jim Roberts isn't much and what I have is > confusing, guess > > this is a family I need to concentrate on. Jim Roberts married > Lucinda > > Mowery 1-9-1890 in Red River, the marriage license gives his name > as J.M. > > Roberts. Jim and Lucinda only had one child, a daughter who died > at birth > > 11/2/1890. On the 1900 census Jim gives his birth date as Nov > 1867. Jim > > died May 16, 1947, he is buried at Hopewell. In the Dale's > cemetery > > records it has James P. Roberts b. Sept 1, 1864. > > > > The only other Roberts I have are Florence Roberts and her > family. > > Florence married Corely Monkhouse. Not sure if Jim and Florence > are > > relate. If either of you need information for Florence Roberts > please let > > met know. > > > > Beverly > > Bakersfield, CA > > > > I > > > > Jo Cox <jocox@arkansas.net> wrote: > > I would like to know about Jim Roberts also. I have Roberts in RR > County. > > > > JO > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Donna Dilbeck" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 6:08 PM > > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Mowery Reunion > > > > > >> Hi Beverly, > >> I have ties to the Monkhouse family....my great aunt married > Gene > >> Monkhouse > >> ...son of Corley M. .. I am related to Luther Monroe Mowery thru > my > >> Hunkapillar family..... My sister in law are just nearly > realated....but > >> we > >> are not..by blood... she is the grand daughter of Vela Monkhouse > and if > >> memory is correct...Charley.... Can you tell me more about the > Jim > >> Roberts? > >> I am related to some Roberts too.... Thanks Donna Ervin Dilbeck > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Beverly Presson" > >> To: "Jim Giddens" ; > >> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 5:21 PM > >> Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Mowery Reunion > >> > >> > >>> > >>> James and Susan had three children, two of which are also buried > at > >>> Hopewell. Lucinda married Jim Roberts, Frances married Charley > "Bud" > >>> Monkhouse. Luther Monroe I believe is buried at Idabel. > >>> Beverly > >>> Bakersfield, CA > >>> > >>> Jim Giddens wrote: > >>> Thanks so much Beverly, > >>> I remember making notes of the Thoms graves at Hopewell but I did > not > >>> know > >>> of the connection. > >>> I will probably slip your point into my presentation. > "Presentation", > >>> that > >>> sounds like a big word for a old boy just "rambling" on in > person. > >>> I keep turning up new (old) information and I still have not > made me an > >>> outline, I better get that done to help me to not skip over main > points > >>> and to be able to conserve time. > >>> Jim G > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: Beverly Presson > >>> To: Jim Giddens ; txredriv@rootsweb.com > >>> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 6:17 AM > >>> Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Mowery Reunion > >>> > >>> > >>> Jim: > >>> Jame's wife was Susie Thoms, sister to my gg grandfather, > William Edward > >>> Thoms. Susie married Robert Monkhouse after the dead of James > and is > >>> buried at Hopewell. > >>> Beverly > >>> Bakersfield, CA > >>> > >>> Jim Giddens wrote: > >>> No, not the same, it is her mother, wife of my GG GF Wiley W > Giddens > >>> A little strange for daughter to have the same name but boys do > it all > >>> the > >>> time. Middle names probably different. I think J.R. Mowery wife > >>> remarried in Lamar County but I forget the name. She is probably > buried > >>> in > >>> Lamar Co. > >>> Jim G > >>> p.s. poor J.R. Mowery, buried all alone over in the corner of > the > >>> cemetery. > >>> Only Mowery in the Cemetery. > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "Mike Gibson" > >>> To: ; > >>> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 8:01 PM > >>> Subject: RE: [TXREDRIV] Mowery Reunion > >>> > >>> > >>>> Jim, > >>>> > >>>> The index shows J.R. Mowery born Dec. 24, 1839, died October > 25, 1881, > >>>> buried at Concord. > >>>> Could not find Malinda Mowery, but I did find Malinda Giddens > born > >>>> Sept. > >>>> 25, 1826, died November 30, 1851, buried at Concord. This may > not be > >>>> the > >>>> same Malinda. > >>>> > >>>> Mike Gibson > >>>> Mesquite, Texas > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>From: "Jim Giddens" > >>>>>Reply-To: Jim Giddens , txredriv@rootsweb.com > >>>>>To: "Red River Co Tx Rootsweb" > >>>>>Subject: [TXREDRIV] Mowery Reunion > >>>>>Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 22:29:28 -0500 > >>>>> > >>>>>Genealogy group: > >>>>> I have been asked to a Mowery reunion in Idabel, Ok this > Saturday > >>>>> (9th). My GG GF's sister, Malinda Giddens married Mathias > Mowery in > >>>>> the early 1800s. > >>>>> I have been asked to give my presentation on my Giddens > connection to > >>>>> the Mowerys in the a.m. and in the afternoon to give my > presentation > >>>>> on > >>>>> Lt. J.R. Giddens that died in the Indian battle in Jan 1865 as > a > >>>>> Confederate soldier assigned to the Texas Indian Frontier. Lt > Giddens > >>>>> was a brother of Malinda. > >>>>> It is interesting that Mathias & Malinda named one of there > sons, > >>>>> James Richard (Mowery), same given name as Lt. Giddens, but Lt > Giddens > >>>>> was still a boy when the other J.R. was born. > >>>>> I did give the Lt Giddens and some information on the forts he > was > >>>>> connected with to the Paris, Son of the Confederate meeting > this past > >>>>> Monday night. > >>>>> I feel a little awkward being asked to speak, but I am honored > for > >>>>> sure to be asked. > >>>>>The reunion will be at the Choctaw Community Center. I will be > back in > >>>>>Paris by 6 for a birthday party for my only great grandchild. > Addie > >>>>>will > >>>>>be 4. It is great that any child gets to know their great > grandparent. > >>>>>I hope to put more memories in her head as she grows up, but we > never > >>>>>know how much longer that will be. > >>>>>Say a few words for me for Saturday. > >>>>>Jim Giddens > >>>>>Paris, Tx > >>>>>p.s. Lt Giddens was born in 1829 and J.R. Mowery was born > either in > >>>>>1831 > >>>>>or 1839. My plot is smeared at the date, so I will have to > check that > >>>>>out. Also, J.R. Mowery is buried at Concord (Giddens) > Cemetery. > >>>>>I will need to check on where Malinda was buried. I think she > remarried > >>>>>in Lamar County after Mathias died. > >>>>> > >>>>>------------------------------- > >>>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>>>>TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the > >>>>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>> TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the > >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>> TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the > >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>> TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the TXREDRIV list administrator, send an email to > TXREDRIV-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the TXREDRIV mailing list, send an email to > TXREDRIV@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of TXREDRIV Digest, Vol 2, Issue 109 > **************************************** > > Paul R. DAFFT (PDafft@Juno.Com) Carrollton (Dallas Co.),Texas, USA 75006-3856

I am unable to lift my books, due to surgery, but when my daughter gets home I will get her help and look at all of my Roberts family. I have a couple of different lines but havent put them in the comp system. I have one Roberts line in my Stringer family and one in my Mitchell family. I will let you know. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beverly Presson" <bevpresson@sbcglobal.net> To: <txredriv@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 11:53 AM Subject: [TXREDRIV] Jim Roberts > Hi Donna and Jo: > What I have on Jim Roberts isn't much and what I have is confusing, guess > this is a family I need to concentrate on. Jim Roberts married Lucinda > Mowery 1-9-1890 in Red River, the marriage license gives his name as J.M. > Roberts. Jim and Lucinda only had one child, a daughter who died at birth > 11/2/1890. On the 1900 census Jim gives his birth date as Nov 1867. Jim > died May 16, 1947, he is buried at Hopewell. In the Dale's cemetery > records it has James P. Roberts b. Sept 1, 1864. > > The only other Roberts I have are Florence Roberts and her family. > Florence married Corely Monkhouse. Not sure if Jim and Florence are > relate. If either of you need information for Florence Roberts please let > met know. > > Beverly > Bakersfield, CA > > I > > Jo Cox <jocox@arkansas.net> wrote: > I would like to know about Jim Roberts also. I have Roberts in RR County. > > JO > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Donna Dilbeck" > To: > Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 6:08 PM > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Mowery Reunion > > >> Hi Beverly, >> I have ties to the Monkhouse family....my great aunt married Gene >> Monkhouse >> ...son of Corley M. .. I am related to Luther Monroe Mowery thru my >> Hunkapillar family..... My sister in law are just nearly realated....but >> we >> are not..by blood... she is the grand daughter of Vela Monkhouse and if >> memory is correct...Charley.... Can you tell me more about the Jim >> Roberts? >> I am related to some Roberts too.... Thanks Donna Ervin Dilbeck >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Beverly Presson" >> To: "Jim Giddens" ; >> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 5:21 PM >> Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Mowery Reunion >> >> >>> >>> James and Susan had three children, two of which are also buried at >>> Hopewell. Lucinda married Jim Roberts, Frances married Charley "Bud" >>> Monkhouse. Luther Monroe I believe is buried at Idabel. >>> Beverly >>> Bakersfield, CA >>> >>> Jim Giddens wrote: >>> Thanks so much Beverly, >>> I remember making notes of the Thoms graves at Hopewell but I did not >>> know >>> of the connection. >>> I will probably slip your point into my presentation. "Presentation", >>> that >>> sounds like a big word for a old boy just "rambling" on in person. >>> I keep turning up new (old) information and I still have not made me an >>> outline, I better get that done to help me to not skip over main points >>> and to be able to conserve time. >>> Jim G >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Beverly Presson >>> To: Jim Giddens ; txredriv@rootsweb.com >>> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 6:17 AM >>> Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Mowery Reunion >>> >>> >>> Jim: >>> Jame's wife was Susie Thoms, sister to my gg grandfather, William Edward >>> Thoms. Susie married Robert Monkhouse after the dead of James and is >>> buried at Hopewell. >>> Beverly >>> Bakersfield, CA >>> >>> Jim Giddens wrote: >>> No, not the same, it is her mother, wife of my GG GF Wiley W Giddens >>> A little strange for daughter to have the same name but boys do it all >>> the >>> time. Middle names probably different. I think J.R. Mowery wife >>> remarried in Lamar County but I forget the name. She is probably buried >>> in >>> Lamar Co. >>> Jim G >>> p.s. poor J.R. Mowery, buried all alone over in the corner of the >>> cemetery. >>> Only Mowery in the Cemetery. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Mike Gibson" >>> To: ; >>> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 8:01 PM >>> Subject: RE: [TXREDRIV] Mowery Reunion >>> >>> >>>> Jim, >>>> >>>> The index shows J.R. Mowery born Dec. 24, 1839, died October 25, 1881, >>>> buried at Concord. >>>> Could not find Malinda Mowery, but I did find Malinda Giddens born >>>> Sept. >>>> 25, 1826, died November 30, 1851, buried at Concord. This may not be >>>> the >>>> same Malinda. >>>> >>>> Mike Gibson >>>> Mesquite, Texas >>>> >>>> >>>>>From: "Jim Giddens" >>>>>Reply-To: Jim Giddens , txredriv@rootsweb.com >>>>>To: "Red River Co Tx Rootsweb" >>>>>Subject: [TXREDRIV] Mowery Reunion >>>>>Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 22:29:28 -0500 >>>>> >>>>>Genealogy group: >>>>> I have been asked to a Mowery reunion in Idabel, Ok this Saturday >>>>> (9th). My GG GF's sister, Malinda Giddens married Mathias Mowery in >>>>> the early 1800s. >>>>> I have been asked to give my presentation on my Giddens connection to >>>>> the Mowerys in the a.m. and in the afternoon to give my presentation >>>>> on >>>>> Lt. J.R. Giddens that died in the Indian battle in Jan 1865 as a >>>>> Confederate soldier assigned to the Texas Indian Frontier. Lt Giddens >>>>> was a brother of Malinda. >>>>> It is interesting that Mathias & Malinda named one of there sons, >>>>> James Richard (Mowery), same given name as Lt. Giddens, but Lt Giddens >>>>> was still a boy when the other J.R. was born. >>>>> I did give the Lt Giddens and some information on the forts he was >>>>> connected with to the Paris, Son of the Confederate meeting this past >>>>> Monday night. >>>>> I feel a little awkward being asked to speak, but I am honored for >>>>> sure to be asked. >>>>>The reunion will be at the Choctaw Community Center. I will be back in >>>>>Paris by 6 for a birthday party for my only great grandchild. Addie >>>>>will >>>>>be 4. It is great that any child gets to know their great grandparent. >>>>>I hope to put more memories in her head as she grows up, but we never >>>>>know how much longer that will be. >>>>>Say a few words for me for Saturday. >>>>>Jim Giddens >>>>>Paris, Tx >>>>>p.s. Lt Giddens was born in 1829 and J.R. Mowery was born either in >>>>>1831 >>>>>or 1839. My plot is smeared at the date, so I will have to check that >>>>>out. Also, J.R. Mowery is buried at Concord (Giddens) Cemetery. >>>>>I will need to check on where Malinda was buried. I think she remarried >>>>>in Lamar County after Mathias died. >>>>> >>>>>------------------------------- >>>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I don't thing this is my James Roberts. Mine was born 1875 that would have made him 15 years old at the time of marriage. Really don't think so. I have another Jim, but he wasn't born till 1925. Thanks anyway, Jo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beverly Presson" <bevpresson@sbcglobal.net> To: <txredriv@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 11:53 AM Subject: [TXREDRIV] Jim Roberts > Hi Donna and Jo: > What I have on Jim Roberts isn't much and what I have is confusing, guess > this is a family I need to concentrate on. Jim Roberts married Lucinda > Mowery 1-9-1890 in Red River, the marriage license gives his name as J.M. > Roberts. Jim and Lucinda only had one child, a daughter who died at birth > 11/2/1890. On the 1900 census Jim gives his birth date as Nov 1867. Jim > died May 16, 1947, he is buried at Hopewell. In the Dale's cemetery > records it has James P. Roberts b. Sept 1, 1864. > > The only other Roberts I have are Florence Roberts and her family. > Florence married Corely Monkhouse. Not sure if Jim and Florence are > relate. If either of you need information for Florence Roberts please let > met know. > > Beverly > Bakersfield, CA > > I > > Jo Cox <jocox@arkansas.net> wrote: > I would like to know about Jim Roberts also. I have Roberts in RR County. > > JO > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Donna Dilbeck" > To: > Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 6:08 PM > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Mowery Reunion > > >> Hi Beverly, >> I have ties to the Monkhouse family....my great aunt married Gene >> Monkhouse >> ...son of Corley M. .. I am related to Luther Monroe Mowery thru my >> Hunkapillar family..... My sister in law are just nearly realated....but >> we >> are not..by blood... she is the grand daughter of Vela Monkhouse and if >> memory is correct...Charley.... Can you tell me more about the Jim >> Roberts? >> I am related to some Roberts too.... Thanks Donna Ervin Dilbeck >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Beverly Presson" >> To: "Jim Giddens" ; >> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 5:21 PM >> Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Mowery Reunion >> >> >>> >>> James and Susan had three children, two of which are also buried at >>> Hopewell. Lucinda married Jim Roberts, Frances married Charley "Bud" >>> Monkhouse. Luther Monroe I believe is buried at Idabel. >>> Beverly >>> Bakersfield, CA >>> >>> Jim Giddens wrote: >>> Thanks so much Beverly, >>> I remember making notes of the Thoms graves at Hopewell but I did not >>> know >>> of the connection. >>> I will probably slip your point into my presentation. "Presentation", >>> that >>> sounds like a big word for a old boy just "rambling" on in person. >>> I keep turning up new (old) information and I still have not made me an >>> outline, I better get that done to help me to not skip over main points >>> and to be able to conserve time. >>> Jim G >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Beverly Presson >>> To: Jim Giddens ; txredriv@rootsweb.com >>> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 6:17 AM >>> Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Mowery Reunion >>> >>> >>> Jim: >>> Jame's wife was Susie Thoms, sister to my gg grandfather, William Edward >>> Thoms. Susie married Robert Monkhouse after the dead of James and is >>> buried at Hopewell. >>> Beverly >>> Bakersfield, CA >>> >>> Jim Giddens wrote: >>> No, not the same, it is her mother, wife of my GG GF Wiley W Giddens >>> A little strange for daughter to have the same name but boys do it all >>> the >>> time. Middle names probably different. I think J.R. Mowery wife >>> remarried in Lamar County but I forget the name. She is probably buried >>> in >>> Lamar Co. >>> Jim G >>> p.s. poor J.R. Mowery, buried all alone over in the corner of the >>> cemetery. >>> Only Mowery in the Cemetery. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Mike Gibson" >>> To: ; >>> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 8:01 PM >>> Subject: RE: [TXREDRIV] Mowery Reunion >>> >>> >>>> Jim, >>>> >>>> The index shows J.R. Mowery born Dec. 24, 1839, died October 25, 1881, >>>> buried at Concord. >>>> Could not find Malinda Mowery, but I did find Malinda Giddens born >>>> Sept. >>>> 25, 1826, died November 30, 1851, buried at Concord. This may not be >>>> the >>>> same Malinda. >>>> >>>> Mike Gibson >>>> Mesquite, Texas >>>> >>>> >>>>>From: "Jim Giddens" >>>>>Reply-To: Jim Giddens , txredriv@rootsweb.com >>>>>To: "Red River Co Tx Rootsweb" >>>>>Subject: [TXREDRIV] Mowery Reunion >>>>>Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 22:29:28 -0500 >>>>> >>>>>Genealogy group: >>>>> I have been asked to a Mowery reunion in Idabel, Ok this Saturday >>>>> (9th). My GG GF's sister, Malinda Giddens married Mathias Mowery in >>>>> the early 1800s. >>>>> I have been asked to give my presentation on my Giddens connection to >>>>> the Mowerys in the a.m. and in the afternoon to give my presentation >>>>> on >>>>> Lt. J.R. Giddens that died in the Indian battle in Jan 1865 as a >>>>> Confederate soldier assigned to the Texas Indian Frontier. Lt Giddens >>>>> was a brother of Malinda. >>>>> It is interesting that Mathias & Malinda named one of there sons, >>>>> James Richard (Mowery), same given name as Lt. Giddens, but Lt Giddens >>>>> was still a boy when the other J.R. was born. >>>>> I did give the Lt Giddens and some information on the forts he was >>>>> connected with to the Paris, Son of the Confederate meeting this past >>>>> Monday night. >>>>> I feel a little awkward being asked to speak, but I am honored for >>>>> sure to be asked. >>>>>The reunion will be at the Choctaw Community Center. I will be back in >>>>>Paris by 6 for a birthday party for my only great grandchild. Addie >>>>>will >>>>>be 4. It is great that any child gets to know their great grandparent. >>>>>I hope to put more memories in her head as she grows up, but we never >>>>>know how much longer that will be. >>>>>Say a few words for me for Saturday. >>>>>Jim Giddens >>>>>Paris, Tx >>>>>p.s. Lt Giddens was born in 1829 and J.R. Mowery was born either in >>>>>1831 >>>>>or 1839. My plot is smeared at the date, so I will have to check that >>>>>out. Also, J.R. Mowery is buried at Concord (Giddens) Cemetery. >>>>>I will need to check on where Malinda was buried. I think she remarried >>>>>in Lamar County after Mathias died. >>>>> >>>>>------------------------------- >>>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

The only documented info I have was that my gr grandfather Lewis W. Hensley married Nancy Helen Groves in Red River County in 1876 he left or disappeared shortly after my grandfather's birth in 1877 and Nancy Helen remarried in December, 1879 to William Cruse. According to some info on my grandfather, William Martin Hensley, his father was born in KY. But I'm not sure this is correct. My brother's DNA matched the DNA of the brother of a lady in South Carolina and we have been trying to connect then. We had a 37 marker match, so we are closely matched. Her gr grandfather was William H. Hensley and he married Hannah Barton. She thinks he was born in GA in 1844 but no definite proof. He had two sons, William and Robert. She was told that he left to go fight Indians and took his son William with him and Robert stayed with his mother- he was never heard from again that we know of. Due to the 37 marker match that our brothers had, we think our gr grandfathers were either brothers or at least first cousins. Would really appreciate any help. On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 10:59:01 -0500 "Pam Arnold" <pparnold@earthlink.net> writes: > Joyce > Tell us all about them - maybe one of us knows the family or can > find them. > It's too hot to play outside today! > > Pam > > > --lady and I have connected our gr grandparents through a DNA > project, > however, through years of searching and every different spelling of > their > names, we have never found them on a census record anywhere-- > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Joyce, it makes a difference if you are talking about a maternal or paternal DNA print match. The paternal DNA print test is on the Y-Chromosome which is unique to the male and is passed from father to son generation after generation and changes rarely, like on the average one-marker every 500-years as such is very useful in identifying familial kinships going back through the years. If you cannot find your most recent common ancestor back to 1850 it becomes much more difficult, if not impossible beyond that. If you have not used the message boards in genealogy.com, you may try that. I have found numerous irregularities with census records which compounds the problems when searching census records. I found one ancestor in RRC where the first name was listed as the last name in the 1860 USC. I found it only by doing a page by page search of the census. If it is a materal match this is another issue. I have yet to find a common ancestor with 20-25 mtDNA print matches with my mother's DNA print withother families. I have not gotten off the ground with this type of match research. Regards, H. Ben Cooper Bella Vista, Arkansas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce A King" <jkin467@juno.com> To: <txredriv@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 9:34 AM Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Census Records Question A lady and I have connected our gr grandparents through a DNA project, however, through years of searching and every different spelling of their names, we have never found them on a census record anywhere--I even hired a professional to do the census check and he couldn't find anything - so, my question is, why would there be people that never show up on a census record? Has anyone else had this problem? Were the census records so inaccurate that this could happen? Anyone have any opinions on this?

too hot to get out is right I see in 1880, Hunt Co TX a Roberts family (8 children) with a James born 1867 and sister Florence born 1880. Parents are Floyd and Francis Roberts. fwiw ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beverly Presson" <bevpresson@sbcglobal.net> To: <txredriv@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 11:53 AM Subject: [TXREDRIV] Jim Roberts > Hi Donna and Jo: > What I have on Jim Roberts isn't much and what I have is confusing, guess > this is a family I need to concentrate on. Jim Roberts married Lucinda > Mowery 1-9-1890 in Red River, the marriage license gives his name as J.M. > Roberts. Jim and Lucinda only had one child, a daughter who died at birth > 11/2/1890. On the 1900 census Jim gives his birth date as Nov 1867. Jim > died May 16, 1947, he is buried at Hopewell. In the Dale's cemetery > records it has James P. Roberts b. Sept 1, 1864. > > The only other Roberts I have are Florence Roberts and her family. > Florence married Corely Monkhouse. Not sure if Jim and Florence are > relate. If either of you need information for Florence Roberts please let > met know. > > Beverly > Bakersfield, CA > > I > > Jo Cox <jocox@arkansas.net> wrote: > I would like to know about Jim Roberts also. I have Roberts in RR County. > > JO > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Donna Dilbeck" > To: > Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 6:08 PM > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Mowery Reunion > > >> Hi Beverly, >> I have ties to the Monkhouse family....my great aunt married Gene >> Monkhouse >> ...son of Corley M. .. I am related to Luther Monroe Mowery thru my >> Hunkapillar family..... My sister in law are just nearly realated....but >> we >> are not..by blood... she is the grand daughter of Vela Monkhouse and if >> memory is correct...Charley.... Can you tell me more about the Jim >> Roberts? >> I am related to some Roberts too.... Thanks Donna Ervin Dilbeck >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Beverly Presson" >> To: "Jim Giddens" ; >> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 5:21 PM >> Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Mowery Reunion >> >> >>> >>> James and Susan had three children, two of which are also buried at >>> Hopewell. Lucinda married Jim Roberts, Frances married Charley "Bud" >>> Monkhouse. Luther Monroe I believe is buried at Idabel. >>> Beverly >>> Bakersfield, CA >>> >>> Jim Giddens wrote: >>> Thanks so much Beverly, >>> I remember making notes of the Thoms graves at Hopewell but I did not >>> know >>> of the connection. >>> I will probably slip your point into my presentation. "Presentation", >>> that >>> sounds like a big word for a old boy just "rambling" on in person. >>> I keep turning up new (old) information and I still have not made me an >>> outline, I better get that done to help me to not skip over main points >>> and to be able to conserve time. >>> Jim G >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Beverly Presson >>> To: Jim Giddens ; txredriv@rootsweb.com >>> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 6:17 AM >>> Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Mowery Reunion >>> >>> >>> Jim: >>> Jame's wife was Susie Thoms, sister to my gg grandfather, William Edward >>> Thoms. Susie married Robert Monkhouse after the dead of James and is >>> buried at Hopewell. >>> Beverly >>> Bakersfield, CA >>> >>> Jim Giddens wrote: >>> No, not the same, it is her mother, wife of my GG GF Wiley W Giddens >>> A little strange for daughter to have the same name but boys do it all >>> the >>> time. Middle names probably different. I think J.R. Mowery wife >>> remarried in Lamar County but I forget the name. She is probably buried >>> in >>> Lamar Co. >>> Jim G >>> p.s. poor J.R. Mowery, buried all alone over in the corner of the >>> cemetery. >>> Only Mowery in the Cemetery. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Mike Gibson" >>> To: ; >>> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 8:01 PM >>> Subject: RE: [TXREDRIV] Mowery Reunion >>> >>> >>>> Jim, >>>> >>>> The index shows J.R. Mowery born Dec. 24, 1839, died October 25, 1881, >>>> buried at Concord. >>>> Could not find Malinda Mowery, but I did find Malinda Giddens born >>>> Sept. >>>> 25, 1826, died November 30, 1851, buried at Concord. This may not be >>>> the >>>> same Malinda. >>>> >>>> Mike Gibson >>>> Mesquite, Texas >>>> >>>> >>>>>From: "Jim Giddens" >>>>>Reply-To: Jim Giddens , txredriv@rootsweb.com >>>>>To: "Red River Co Tx Rootsweb" >>>>>Subject: [TXREDRIV] Mowery Reunion >>>>>Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 22:29:28 -0500 >>>>> >>>>>Genealogy group: >>>>> I have been asked to a Mowery reunion in Idabel, Ok this Saturday >>>>> (9th). My GG GF's sister, Malinda Giddens married Mathias Mowery in >>>>> the early 1800s. >>>>> I have been asked to give my presentation on my Giddens connection to >>>>> the Mowerys in the a.m. and in the afternoon to give my presentation >>>>> on >>>>> Lt. J.R. Giddens that died in the Indian battle in Jan 1865 as a >>>>> Confederate soldier assigned to the Texas Indian Frontier. Lt Giddens >>>>> was a brother of Malinda. >>>>> It is interesting that Mathias & Malinda named one of there sons, >>>>> James Richard (Mowery), same given name as Lt. Giddens, but Lt Giddens >>>>> was still a boy when the other J.R. was born. >>>>> I did give the Lt Giddens and some information on the forts he was >>>>> connected with to the Paris, Son of the Confederate meeting this past >>>>> Monday night. >>>>> I feel a little awkward being asked to speak, but I am honored for >>>>> sure to be asked. >>>>>The reunion will be at the Choctaw Community Center. I will be back in >>>>>Paris by 6 for a birthday party for my only great grandchild. Addie >>>>>will >>>>>be 4. It is great that any child gets to know their great grandparent. >>>>>I hope to put more memories in her head as she grows up, but we never >>>>>know how much longer that will be. >>>>>Say a few words for me for Saturday. >>>>>Jim Giddens >>>>>Paris, Tx >>>>>p.s. Lt Giddens was born in 1829 and J.R. Mowery was born either in >>>>>1831 >>>>>or 1839. My plot is smeared at the date, so I will have to check that >>>>>out. Also, J.R. Mowery is buried at Concord (Giddens) Cemetery. >>>>>I will need to check on where Malinda was buried. I think she remarried >>>>>in Lamar County after Mathias died. >>>>> >>>>>------------------------------- >>>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Florence was b. 1897 in TX. The 1900 RR census has Florence's parents as John and Sallie, John b. June 1860 in MO, Sallie b.Mar 1864 in Indiana. John has died after the birth of Lois Alma (12-8-1903) and before the 1910 census. 1900 census Jim Roberts father was from Illinois, his mother from Mo but 1920 census has both from MO. I have not located Jim and Lucinda on a 1910 census. steve harris <steveharris1@hotmail.com> wrote: too hot to get out is right I see in 1880, Hunt Co TX a Roberts family (8 children) with a James born 1867 and sister Florence born 1880. Parents are Floyd and Francis Roberts. fwiw ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beverly Presson" To: Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 11:53 AM Subject: [TXREDRIV] Jim Roberts > Hi Donna and Jo: > What I have on Jim Roberts isn't much and what I have is confusing, guess > this is a family I need to concentrate on. Jim Roberts married Lucinda > Mowery 1-9-1890 in Red River, the marriage license gives his name as J.M. > Roberts. Jim and Lucinda only had one child, a daughter who died at birth > 11/2/1890. On the 1900 census Jim gives his birth date as Nov 1867. Jim > died May 16, 1947, he is buried at Hopewell. In the Dale's cemetery > records it has James P. Roberts b. Sept 1, 1864. > > The only other Roberts I have are Florence Roberts and her family. > Florence married Corely Monkhouse. Not sure if Jim and Florence are > relate. If either of you need information for Florence Roberts please let > met know. > > Beverly > Bakersfield, CA > > I > > Jo Cox wrote: > I would like to know about Jim Roberts also. I have Roberts in RR County. > > JO > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Donna Dilbeck" > To: > Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 6:08 PM > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Mowery Reunion > > >> Hi Beverly, >> I have ties to the Monkhouse family....my great aunt married Gene >> Monkhouse >> ...son of Corley M. .. I am related to Luther Monroe Mowery thru my >> Hunkapillar family..... My sister in law are just nearly realated....but >> we >> are not..by blood... she is the grand daughter of Vela Monkhouse and if >> memory is correct...Charley.... Can you tell me more about the Jim >> Roberts? >> I am related to some Roberts too.... Thanks Donna Ervin Dilbeck >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Beverly Presson" >> To: "Jim Giddens" ; >> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 5:21 PM >> Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Mowery Reunion >> >> >>> >>> James and Susan had three children, two of which are also buried at >>> Hopewell. Lucinda married Jim Roberts, Frances married Charley "Bud" >>> Monkhouse. Luther Monroe I believe is buried at Idabel. >>> Beverly >>> Bakersfield, CA >>> >>> Jim Giddens wrote: >>> Thanks so much Beverly, >>> I remember making notes of the Thoms graves at Hopewell but I did not >>> know >>> of the connection. >>> I will probably slip your point into my presentation. "Presentation", >>> that >>> sounds like a big word for a old boy just "rambling" on in person. >>> I keep turning up new (old) information and I still have not made me an >>> outline, I better get that done to help me to not skip over main points >>> and to be able to conserve time. >>> Jim G >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Beverly Presson >>> To: Jim Giddens ; txredriv@rootsweb.com >>> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 6:17 AM >>> Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Mowery Reunion >>> >>> >>> Jim: >>> Jame's wife was Susie Thoms, sister to my gg grandfather, William Edward >>> Thoms. Susie married Robert Monkhouse after the dead of James and is >>> buried at Hopewell. >>> Beverly >>> Bakersfield, CA >>> >>> Jim Giddens wrote: >>> No, not the same, it is her mother, wife of my GG GF Wiley W Giddens >>> A little strange for daughter to have the same name but boys do it all >>> the >>> time. Middle names probably different. I think J.R. Mowery wife >>> remarried in Lamar County but I forget the name. She is probably buried >>> in >>> Lamar Co. >>> Jim G >>> p.s. poor J.R. Mowery, buried all alone over in the corner of the >>> cemetery. >>> Only Mowery in the Cemetery. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Mike Gibson" >>> To: ; >>> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 8:01 PM >>> Subject: RE: [TXREDRIV] Mowery Reunion >>> >>> >>>> Jim, >>>> >>>> The index shows J.R. Mowery born Dec. 24, 1839, died October 25, 1881, >>>> buried at Concord. >>>> Could not find Malinda Mowery, but I did find Malinda Giddens born >>>> Sept. >>>> 25, 1826, died November 30, 1851, buried at Concord. This may not be >>>> the >>>> same Malinda. >>>> >>>> Mike Gibson >>>> Mesquite, Texas >>>> >>>> >>>>>From: "Jim Giddens" >>>>>Reply-To: Jim Giddens , txredriv@rootsweb.com >>>>>To: "Red River Co Tx Rootsweb" >>>>>Subject: [TXREDRIV] Mowery Reunion >>>>>Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 22:29:28 -0500 >>>>> >>>>>Genealogy group: >>>>> I have been asked to a Mowery reunion in Idabel, Ok this Saturday >>>>> (9th). My GG GF's sister, Malinda Giddens married Mathias Mowery in >>>>> the early 1800s. >>>>> I have been asked to give my presentation on my Giddens connection to >>>>> the Mowerys in the a.m. and in the afternoon to give my presentation >>>>> on >>>>> Lt. J.R. Giddens that died in the Indian battle in Jan 1865 as a >>>>> Confederate soldier assigned to the Texas Indian Frontier. Lt Giddens >>>>> was a brother of Malinda. >>>>> It is interesting that Mathias & Malinda named one of there sons, >>>>> James Richard (Mowery), same given name as Lt. Giddens, but Lt Giddens >>>>> was still a boy when the other J.R. was born. >>>>> I did give the Lt Giddens and some information on the forts he was >>>>> connected with to the Paris, Son of the Confederate meeting this past >>>>> Monday night. >>>>> I feel a little awkward being asked to speak, but I am honored for >>>>> sure to be asked. >>>>>The reunion will be at the Choctaw Community Center. I will be back in >>>>>Paris by 6 for a birthday party for my only great grandchild. Addie >>>>>will >>>>>be 4. It is great that any child gets to know their great grandparent. >>>>>I hope to put more memories in her head as she grows up, but we never >>>>>know how much longer that will be. >>>>>Say a few words for me for Saturday. >>>>>Jim Giddens >>>>>Paris, Tx >>>>>p.s. Lt Giddens was born in 1829 and J.R. Mowery was born either in >>>>>1831 >>>>>or 1839. My plot is smeared at the date, so I will have to check that >>>>>out. Also, J.R. Mowery is buried at Concord (Giddens) Cemetery. >>>>>I will need to check on where Malinda was buried. I think she remarried >>>>>in Lamar County after Mathias died. >>>>> >>>>>------------------------------- >>>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Joyce Tell us all about them - maybe one of us knows the family or can find them. It's too hot to play outside today! Pam --lady and I have connected our gr grandparents through a DNA project, however, through years of searching and every different spelling of their names, we have never found them on a census record anywhere--

In a message dated 6/10/07 9:41:25 AM Central Daylight Time, pparnold@earthlink.net writes: My husband's great grandparents never show up - I think they are in the smeared unreadable lines, they didn't answer the door, the census taker couldn't understand them and called them the Joneses, they moved every time there was a census and they were on the road. They were invisible! Or the census taker misspelled their names so badly it doesn't hit when you spell it correctly. My grandmother's name was Genevieve, but on one census, the census taker put her down as Jennie V. .··-.¸.-··. (`'·.¸(`'·.¸ ¸.·'´)¸.·'´) .··-.¸.-··. `·. .·´ «..* Edith *..» `·. .·` (¸.·'´(¸.·'´ `'·.¸)`'·.¸) In loving memory of Elizabeth B. Post August 8, 2006 Co-Coordinator: Heartmade Blessings Comfortghan Program "Caring Hearts, Touching Lives, One Stitch at a Time" _http://www.heartmadeblessings.org/_ (http://www.heartmadeblessings.org/) A Member of CrochetList Admin ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Hi Donna and Jo: What I have on Jim Roberts isn't much and what I have is confusing, guess this is a family I need to concentrate on. Jim Roberts married Lucinda Mowery 1-9-1890 in Red River, the marriage license gives his name as J.M. Roberts. Jim and Lucinda only had one child, a daughter who died at birth 11/2/1890. On the 1900 census Jim gives his birth date as Nov 1867. Jim died May 16, 1947, he is buried at Hopewell. In the Dale's cemetery records it has James P. Roberts b. Sept 1, 1864. The only other Roberts I have are Florence Roberts and her family. Florence married Corely Monkhouse. Not sure if Jim and Florence are relate. If either of you need information for Florence Roberts please let met know. Beverly Bakersfield, CA I Jo Cox <jocox@arkansas.net> wrote: I would like to know about Jim Roberts also. I have Roberts in RR County. JO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Dilbeck" To: Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 6:08 PM Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Mowery Reunion > Hi Beverly, > I have ties to the Monkhouse family....my great aunt married Gene > Monkhouse > ...son of Corley M. .. I am related to Luther Monroe Mowery thru my > Hunkapillar family..... My sister in law are just nearly realated....but > we > are not..by blood... she is the grand daughter of Vela Monkhouse and if > memory is correct...Charley.... Can you tell me more about the Jim > Roberts? > I am related to some Roberts too.... Thanks Donna Ervin Dilbeck > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Beverly Presson" > To: "Jim Giddens" ; > Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 5:21 PM > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Mowery Reunion > > >> >> James and Susan had three children, two of which are also buried at >> Hopewell. Lucinda married Jim Roberts, Frances married Charley "Bud" >> Monkhouse. Luther Monroe I believe is buried at Idabel. >> Beverly >> Bakersfield, CA >> >> Jim Giddens wrote: >> Thanks so much Beverly, >> I remember making notes of the Thoms graves at Hopewell but I did not >> know >> of the connection. >> I will probably slip your point into my presentation. "Presentation", >> that >> sounds like a big word for a old boy just "rambling" on in person. >> I keep turning up new (old) information and I still have not made me an >> outline, I better get that done to help me to not skip over main points >> and to be able to conserve time. >> Jim G >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Beverly Presson >> To: Jim Giddens ; txredriv@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 6:17 AM >> Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Mowery Reunion >> >> >> Jim: >> Jame's wife was Susie Thoms, sister to my gg grandfather, William Edward >> Thoms. Susie married Robert Monkhouse after the dead of James and is >> buried at Hopewell. >> Beverly >> Bakersfield, CA >> >> Jim Giddens wrote: >> No, not the same, it is her mother, wife of my GG GF Wiley W Giddens >> A little strange for daughter to have the same name but boys do it all >> the >> time. Middle names probably different. I think J.R. Mowery wife >> remarried in Lamar County but I forget the name. She is probably buried >> in >> Lamar Co. >> Jim G >> p.s. poor J.R. Mowery, buried all alone over in the corner of the >> cemetery. >> Only Mowery in the Cemetery. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Mike Gibson" >> To: ; >> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 8:01 PM >> Subject: RE: [TXREDRIV] Mowery Reunion >> >> >>> Jim, >>> >>> The index shows J.R. Mowery born Dec. 24, 1839, died October 25, 1881, >>> buried at Concord. >>> Could not find Malinda Mowery, but I did find Malinda Giddens born Sept. >>> 25, 1826, died November 30, 1851, buried at Concord. This may not be the >>> same Malinda. >>> >>> Mike Gibson >>> Mesquite, Texas >>> >>> >>>>From: "Jim Giddens" >>>>Reply-To: Jim Giddens , txredriv@rootsweb.com >>>>To: "Red River Co Tx Rootsweb" >>>>Subject: [TXREDRIV] Mowery Reunion >>>>Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 22:29:28 -0500 >>>> >>>>Genealogy group: >>>> I have been asked to a Mowery reunion in Idabel, Ok this Saturday >>>> (9th). My GG GF's sister, Malinda Giddens married Mathias Mowery in >>>> the early 1800s. >>>> I have been asked to give my presentation on my Giddens connection to >>>> the Mowerys in the a.m. and in the afternoon to give my presentation on >>>> Lt. J.R. Giddens that died in the Indian battle in Jan 1865 as a >>>> Confederate soldier assigned to the Texas Indian Frontier. Lt Giddens >>>> was a brother of Malinda. >>>> It is interesting that Mathias & Malinda named one of there sons, >>>> James Richard (Mowery), same given name as Lt. Giddens, but Lt Giddens >>>> was still a boy when the other J.R. was born. >>>> I did give the Lt Giddens and some information on the forts he was >>>> connected with to the Paris, Son of the Confederate meeting this past >>>> Monday night. >>>> I feel a little awkward being asked to speak, but I am honored for >>>> sure to be asked. >>>>The reunion will be at the Choctaw Community Center. I will be back in >>>>Paris by 6 for a birthday party for my only great grandchild. Addie will >>>>be 4. It is great that any child gets to know their great grandparent. >>>>I hope to put more memories in her head as she grows up, but we never >>>>know how much longer that will be. >>>>Say a few words for me for Saturday. >>>>Jim Giddens >>>>Paris, Tx >>>>p.s. Lt Giddens was born in 1829 and J.R. Mowery was born either in 1831 >>>>or 1839. My plot is smeared at the date, so I will have to check that >>>>out. Also, J.R. Mowery is buried at Concord (Giddens) Cemetery. >>>>I will need to check on where Malinda was buried. I think she remarried >>>>in Lamar County after Mathias died. >>>> >>>>------------------------------- >>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My husband's great grandparents never show up - I think they are in the smeared unreadable lines, they didn't answer the door, the census taker couldn't understand them and called them the Joneses, they moved every time there was a census and they were on the road. They were invisible! To make up for it I do have 2 great uncles that are counted twice in 1900 - once at home and once on the relatives farm where they were working. Try working backwards - death/cemetery records, land records, marriage, newspapers, church records, etc. Good luck. Pam A lady and I have connected our gr grandparents through a DNA project, however, through years of searching and every different spelling of their names, we have never found them on a census record anywhere--I even hired a professional to do the census check and he couldn't find anything - so, my question is, why would there be people that never show up on a census record? Has anyone else had this problem? Were the census records so inaccurate that this could happen? Anyone have any opinions on this?

A lady and I have connected our gr grandparents through a DNA project, however, through years of searching and every different spelling of their names, we have never found them on a census record anywhere--I even hired a professional to do the census check and he couldn't find anything - so, my question is, why would there be people that never show up on a census record? Has anyone else had this problem? Were the census records so inaccurate that this could happen? Anyone have any opinions on this?