A few days ago I went to the Snopes webs site and read of these two different hog shootings. This big one shot on the commercial hunting "plantation" and the one that was reported to be over 1300 lbs. There is truth to both, but also questions to accuracy. The 1300 lb one was buried with the head separate from the body. Snopes suggest the hog is big but maybe around 1000 lbs and that the picture may be doctored up to make it look bigger than it really was. In the picture, the funny part of the photo was the rope holding up the hog. It appears to be almost as big as my wrist. Yes, it would take a big rope. As Debra has said, the other one had been released on the hunting plantation, was big, but was not wild (ferel). I read that the boy (shooter) was taken to the owner of the hunting plantation by the boys father, for the boy to ask the owner why he would do such a thing. Jim G ----- Original Message ----- From: <BBIRDSWIFE@aol.com> To: <txredriv@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 9:09 AM Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Feral hogs > That was a bogus story. Turns out that yes the teenager killed that hog, > but it was not ferral and yes it was 1050 lbs. It was a hog that someone > raised and then sold it to 2,500-acre Lost Creek Plantation, a > commercial hunting > preserve in Delta in Alabama. > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My great-aunt was born and raised in Bagwell, and ended up in Dallas as a teacher. She was born in 1887, so does anybody know if there was a college around Clarksville in around 1907? She disappears off the census reports until much later. Edith/Duncanville ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

That was a bogus story. Turns out that yes the teenager killed that hog, but it was not ferral and yes it was 1050 lbs. It was a hog that someone raised and then sold it to 2,500-acre Lost Creek Plantation, a commercial hunting preserve in Delta in Alabama. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

As I understand it, the hog had been a pet until it got too big and the owners sold it, and then it got loose. It was not feral, although it was loose. It was in Alabama.

Jim, There was a TV news piece a few weeks ago of a teenager who killed a 1,000-pound feral hog. I don't remember which state it was in. Also, Texas has more feral hogs than any other state. I'm not surprised. Bob Merriman

Jim, That sounds like an awful lot of bacon. I can remember going to the smoke house with my granny to get meat. In those days you either smoked, salted or canned. Both sides of my family were hog raisers. We always had pork. A beef on the place meant milk cow not steak. The calf, especially if it was a bull calf was sold for money to buy coffee, sugar, flour and the other staples they needed. My dad was a meat and potato man and to him cold cuts/lunch meat was an absolute no no. and also pancakes. He always said you can eat 10 of those pancakes and be hungry 30 minutes later. That man loved to fish and he spent every minute he could sitting on a bank or rolling in poison ivy and would come out of it with no poison ivy but would have a stringer of fish. If it could swim, he would figure out some way to catch it. He made enough doughball with cotton seed meal mixed in it to go around the world several times. Catfish was his first target and he could out smart those suckers. Ah, for the good old days when living was not hurry hurry hurry. Shirley in OK. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Giddens" <jimgidd@suddenlink.net> To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 8:30 PM Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] rambling, not genealogy. > 40 lbs. > > BTW, It is basically a front picture of the hog, laying in a trailer of > some sort. > The hog is in tack, but all you can see is the head. I will send the > picture to you Mike and anyone else that cares to see it. I have done so > for one other request so far. I had done a little internet surfing on > this hog business. > Seems some domestic hog have been grown to over 1000 lbs, I did not > know > that. Also a Wild Hog (Ferreal) (spelling) is only a domestic hog that > ran away. All have tusk but the domestic ones have there tusk removed > by > the owners when small. 440 lbs is my no means a record weight for a > hog, > wild or domestic, so I read. > Jim G > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Gibson" <mikegibsonathome@msn.com> > To: <jimgidd@suddenlink.net>; <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 7:13 PM > Subject: RE: [TXREDRIV] rambling, not genealogy. > > >> How much did the picture of the head weigh? >> >> Mike Gibson >> Mesquite, Texas >> >> >>>From: "Jim Giddens" <jimgidd@suddenlink.net> >>>Reply-To: Jim Giddens <jimgidd@suddenlink.net>, txredriv@rootsweb.com >>>To: "Red River Co Tx Rootsweb" <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> >>>Subject: [TXREDRIV] rambling, not genealogy. >>>Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 22:31:26 -0500 >>> >>>The George Washington program at the last Genealogy Society was really >>>great I thought. >>> If I am not mistaken, it was Jun 14th the last time I got a message >>> from the RR list. That must be a record. Not any RR Co news at this >>> time, too busy with getting grandchildren married. It was not near >>> this complicated when Sue and I got married almost 47 years ago. I >>> have got my digital camera pictures loaded into my computer. I have >>> not figured out yet how to select only certain pictures (say 20) out of >>> 190 >>>to email. The string of pictures to select from are too small for me to >>>make out clearly due to maybe 5 or 6 of them in a row maybe be almost >>>the same pose and the number assigned to them does not show. I guess I >>>have to read my instructions some more. >>> I will have to learn how to avoid some many of my picture being too >>> blurred, either me moving or the subject. When I lean against a post >>> it did help. I do have two tripods that may come into use. >>> Showing the pictures on our TV is real cool. >>> Look forward to taking a lot of cemetery and back road pictures again, >>> but it may be Sept before things are back close to normal for that. >>> Maybe I can sneak some in during the month of July. >>>Jim Giddens >>>Paris, Tx >>>p.s. Did I tell you guys about the 440 lb wild hog my brother-in-law >>>killed in Red River County. I have a picture of the head. >>> >>>------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

We visited Mt.Vernon back in 1999. It was maybe my favorite stop on the trip. Information of the guides was interesting. One statement was that George was bleed only 4 times, and that was at his own request. Their family grave yard was very interesting but that would be too long of rambling (must be long). I remember the nephew being talked about. The guide say when George died, it was because of something he had done many times. He went for a ride on his horse, got snowed on (got clothes wet), came home and did not immediately change into dry clothes, which is again something not uncommon. However this time the got a throat infection that kept getting worse and he died of it. One shot of penicillin today would have saved him. It is too said he died only 2 years after coming home from Washington as President. The guides told us that serious efforts from time to time had been made to moves his grave to Washington DC, but his will stipulated he be buried at Mt Vernon, and he is still there. Him and Martha's coffins are visible through the iron fence and were never placed through the opening into the burial room (what do you call it) where several members of the family are buried. The proclaimed builder of the coffins (not sure what they are made of, maybe marble) were about 1 or 2 inches too large to pass through the opening. Some think the builder did that on purpose to promote his business. Much more but better stop. Jim Giddens Paris, Tx ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Dilbeck" <donnadilbeck@classicnet.net> To: "Jim Giddens" <jimgidd@suddenlink.net>; <txredriv@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 2:24 PM Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] rambling, not genealogy. >I agree with you Jim..the program was very good. My grandaughter went with >me and she loved it. In my family research I found that my 9 great >grandfather William Offutt's (the Immigrant) great grandson was

40 lbs. BTW, It is basically a front picture of the hog, laying in a trailer of some sort. The hog is in tack, but all you can see is the head. I will send the picture to you Mike and anyone else that cares to see it. I have done so for one other request so far. I had done a little internet surfing on this hog business. Seems some domestic hog have been grown to over 1000 lbs, I did not know that. Also a Wild Hog (Ferreal) (spelling) is only a domestic hog that ran away. All have tusk but the domestic ones have there tusk removed by the owners when small. 440 lbs is my no means a record weight for a hog, wild or domestic, so I read. Jim G ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Gibson" <mikegibsonathome@msn.com> To: <jimgidd@suddenlink.net>; <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 7:13 PM Subject: RE: [TXREDRIV] rambling, not genealogy. > How much did the picture of the head weigh? > > Mike Gibson > Mesquite, Texas > > >>From: "Jim Giddens" <jimgidd@suddenlink.net> >>Reply-To: Jim Giddens <jimgidd@suddenlink.net>, txredriv@rootsweb.com >>To: "Red River Co Tx Rootsweb" <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> >>Subject: [TXREDRIV] rambling, not genealogy. >>Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 22:31:26 -0500 >> >>The George Washington program at the last Genealogy Society was really >>great I thought. >> If I am not mistaken, it was Jun 14th the last time I got a message >> from the RR list. That must be a record. Not any RR Co news at this >> time, too busy with getting grandchildren married. It was not near >> this complicated when Sue and I got married almost 47 years ago. I >> have got my digital camera pictures loaded into my computer. I have >> not figured out yet how to select only certain pictures (say 20) out of >> 190 >>to email. The string of pictures to select from are too small for me to >>make out clearly due to maybe 5 or 6 of them in a row maybe be almost >>the same pose and the number assigned to them does not show. I guess I >>have to read my instructions some more. >> I will have to learn how to avoid some many of my picture being too >> blurred, either me moving or the subject. When I lean against a post >> it did help. I do have two tripods that may come into use. >> Showing the pictures on our TV is real cool. >> Look forward to taking a lot of cemetery and back road pictures again, >> but it may be Sept before things are back close to normal for that. >> Maybe I can sneak some in during the month of July. >>Jim Giddens >>Paris, Tx >>p.s. Did I tell you guys about the 440 lb wild hog my brother-in-law >>killed in Red River County. I have a picture of the head. >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

How much did the picture of the head weigh? Mike Gibson Mesquite, Texas >From: "Jim Giddens" <jimgidd@suddenlink.net> >Reply-To: Jim Giddens <jimgidd@suddenlink.net>, txredriv@rootsweb.com >To: "Red River Co Tx Rootsweb" <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> >Subject: [TXREDRIV] rambling, not genealogy. >Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 22:31:26 -0500 > >The George Washington program at the last Genealogy Society was really >great I thought. > If I am not mistaken, it was Jun 14th the last time I got a message >from the RR list. That must be a record. Not any RR Co news at this >time, too busy with getting grandchildren married. It was not near this >complicated when Sue and I got married almost 47 years ago. I have got >my digital camera pictures loaded into my computer. I have not figured >out yet how to select only certain pictures (say 20) out of 190 >to email. The string of pictures to select from are too small for me to >make out clearly due to maybe 5 or 6 of them in a row maybe be almost the >same pose and the number assigned to them does not show. I guess I have >to read my instructions some more. > I will have to learn how to avoid some many of my picture being too >blurred, either me moving or the subject. When I lean against a post it >did help. I do have two tripods that may come into use. > Showing the pictures on our TV is real cool. > Look forward to taking a lot of cemetery and back road pictures again, >but it may be Sept before things are back close to normal for that. Maybe >I can sneak some in during the month of July. >Jim Giddens >Paris, Tx >p.s. Did I tell you guys about the 440 lb wild hog my brother-in-law >killed in Red River County. I have a picture of the head. > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message

"Home from the Hills" comes to mind. Sure would like to see the photo. Nancy Wolfgang Mesquite, TX -----Original Message----- From: txredriv-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:txredriv-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jim Giddens Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 10:31 PM To: Red River Co Tx Rootsweb Subject: [TXREDRIV] rambling, not genealogy. The George Washington program at the last Genealogy Society was really great I thought. If I am not mistaken, it was Jun 14th the last time I got a message from the RR list. That must be a record. Not any RR Co news at this time, too busy with getting grandchildren married. It was not near this complicated when Sue and I got married almost 47 years ago. I have got my digital camera pictures loaded into my computer. I have not figured out yet how to select only certain pictures (say 20) out of 190 to email. The string of pictures to select from are too small for me to make out clearly due to maybe 5 or 6 of them in a row maybe be almost the same pose and the number assigned to them does not show. I guess I have to read my instructions some more. I will have to learn how to avoid some many of my picture being too blurred, either me moving or the subject. When I lean against a post it did help. I do have two tripods that may come into use. Showing the pictures on our TV is real cool. Look forward to taking a lot of cemetery and back road pictures again, but it may be Sept before things are back close to normal for that. Maybe I can sneak some in during the month of July. Jim Giddens Paris, Tx p.s. Did I tell you guys about the 440 lb wild hog my brother-in-law killed in Red River County. I have a picture of the head. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.1/857 - Release Date: 6/20/2007 2:18 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.1/857 - Release Date: 6/20/2007 2:18 PM

I agree with you Jim..the program was very good. My grandaughter went with me and she loved it. In my family research I found that my 9 great grandfather William Offutt's (the Immigrant) great grandson was Nathaniel Offutt Crawford...he married Sarah Blackburn sister to Ann Blackburn that married Bushrod Washington. Bushrod was George's favorite nephew and he succeeded at Mt. Vernon after George. My grandauther (she is 5) told Judge Morriss that she knew why George Washington died.......it was those nurses they did it......he just laughed and explained the bleeding process to her. He gave her a card and told her to look at his web site for photos and information on the program this is the link... http://www.joshmorriss.org/bio_&_photo.htm I hope we could have more programs like this....... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Giddens" <jimgidd@suddenlink.net> To: "Red River Co Tx Rootsweb" <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 10:31 PM Subject: [TXREDRIV] rambling, not genealogy. > The George Washington program at the last Genealogy Society was really > great I thought. > If I am not mistaken, it was Jun 14th the last time I got a message > from the RR list. That must be a record. Not any RR Co news at this > time, too busy with getting grandchildren married. It was not near this > complicated when Sue and I got married almost 47 years ago. I have got > my digital camera pictures loaded into my computer. I have not figured > out yet how to select only certain pictures (say 20) out of 190 > to email. The string of pictures to select from are too small for me to > make out clearly due to maybe 5 or 6 of them in a row maybe be almost > the same pose and the number assigned to them does not show. I guess I > have to read my instructions some more. > I will have to learn how to avoid some many of my picture being too > blurred, either me moving or the subject. When I lean against a post it > did help. I do have two tripods that may come into use. > Showing the pictures on our TV is real cool. > Look forward to taking a lot of cemetery and back road pictures again, > but it may be Sept before things are back close to normal for that. Maybe > I can sneak some in during the month of July. > Jim Giddens > Paris, Tx > p.s. Did I tell you guys about the 440 lb wild hog my brother-in-law > killed in Red River County. I have a picture of the head. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The George Washington program at the last Genealogy Society was really great I thought. If I am not mistaken, it was Jun 14th the last time I got a message from the RR list. That must be a record. Not any RR Co news at this time, too busy with getting grandchildren married. It was not near this complicated when Sue and I got married almost 47 years ago. I have got my digital camera pictures loaded into my computer. I have not figured out yet how to select only certain pictures (say 20) out of 190 to email. The string of pictures to select from are too small for me to make out clearly due to maybe 5 or 6 of them in a row maybe be almost the same pose and the number assigned to them does not show. I guess I have to read my instructions some more. I will have to learn how to avoid some many of my picture being too blurred, either me moving or the subject. When I lean against a post it did help. I do have two tripods that may come into use. Showing the pictures on our TV is real cool. Look forward to taking a lot of cemetery and back road pictures again, but it may be Sept before things are back close to normal for that. Maybe I can sneak some in during the month of July. Jim Giddens Paris, Tx p.s. Did I tell you guys about the 440 lb wild hog my brother-in-law killed in Red River County. I have a picture of the head.

Ben ~ I think my son-in-law's brother took a DNA test for a connection to Jeremiah Youngblood. I'll have to ask about the outcome on that. We know the connection to the Coopers, but I was just questioning in case you might be kin. I have lots of info for the family, as they never threw anything away. That sure does make it easier for researching. Thank you so much for the information, and for your reply. Have a good day. Nancy ----- Original Message ----- From: Ben Cooper To: txredriv@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Census Records Question Nancy, not that I am aware of. My COOPER-line moved from NC, to AR to TX then OK. In TX they lived in Peaster, Parker County. Do you know if any descendants of James Lee COOPER have taken a DNA test? My relatives in RRC are on my mother's side of the family. My maternal grandfather, Robert Alonzo ALLEN, was born in RRC as was his brother, Newton, and two half-brothers, Clarence & Charles CASEY. Their mother was Mary Ann JACOBS. Their grandparents were Newton & Elizabeth Harriet (FULLER) JACOBS. Ben Cooper Bella Vista, Arkansas bcooper@mc2k.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy Gentry" <nmgentry@earthlink.net> To: <txredriv@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 6:58 AM Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Census Records Question Ben, are you kin to the Coopers, James Lee, that settled near Clarksville abt. 1860? Nancy Gentry ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.15/847 - Release Date: 6/12/2007 9:42 PM

Nancy, not that I am aware of. My COOPER-line moved from NC, to AR to TX then OK. In TX they lived in Peaster, Parker County. Do you know if any descendants of James Lee COOPER have taken a DNA test? My relatives in RRC are on my mother's side of the family. My maternal grandfather, Robert Alonzo ALLEN, was born in RRC as was his brother, Newton, and two half-brothers, Clarence & Charles CASEY. Their mother was Mary Ann JACOBS. Their grandparents were Newton & Elizabeth Harriet (FULLER) JACOBS. Ben Cooper Bella Vista, Arkansas bcooper@mc2k.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy Gentry" <nmgentry@earthlink.net> To: <txredriv@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 6:58 AM Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Census Records Question Ben, are you kin to the Coopers, James Lee, that settled near Clarksville abt. 1860? Nancy Gentry

Ben, are you kin to the Coopers, James Lee, that settled near Clarksville abt. 1860? Nancy Gentry ----- Original Message ----- From: Carol or Billy To: txredriv@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 12:31 AM Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Census Records Question > In one census, my ggfather and children were listed, but ten years later > they had disappeared. I found them by chance reading the entire census and > finding GW Bates with my ggfather's children. Undoubtedly, the census > taker wrote out GW Bates rather than GW Butts, my ggfather, who could not > read nor write as many of his earlier documents were signed with an"X"; > later he learned to write his name as it appears on some later documents. > Billy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ben Cooper" <bcooper@mc2k.com> > To: <txredriv@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 11:34 AM > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Census Records Question > > >> Joyce, it makes a difference if you are talking about a maternal or >> paternal >> DNA print match. >> >> The paternal DNA print test is on the Y-Chromosome which is unique to the >> male and is passed from father to son generation after generation and >> changes rarely, like on the average one-marker every 500-years as such is >> very useful in identifying familial kinships going back through the >> years. >> If you cannot find your most recent common ancestor back to 1850 it >> becomes >> much more difficult, if not impossible beyond that. If you have not used >> the >> message boards in genealogy.com, you may try that. >> >> I have found numerous irregularities with census records which compounds >> the >> problems when searching census records. I found one ancestor in RRC where >> the first name was listed as the last name in the 1860 USC. I found it >> only >> by doing a page by page search of the census. >> >> If it is a materal match this is another issue. I have yet to find a >> common >> ancestor with 20-25 mtDNA print matches with my mother's DNA print >> withother >> families. I have not gotten off the ground with this type of match >> research. >> >> Regards, >> >> H. Ben Cooper >> Bella Vista, Arkansas >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Joyce A King" <jkin467@juno.com> >> To: <txredriv@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 9:34 AM >> Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Census Records Question >> >> >> A lady and I have connected our gr grandparents through a DNA project, >> however, through years of searching and every different spelling of their >> names, we have never found them on a census record anywhere--I even hired >> a >> professional to do the census check and he couldn't find anything - so, >> my >> question is, why would there be people that never show up on a census >> record? Has anyone else had this problem? Were the census records so >> inaccurate that this could happen? Anyone have any opinions on this? >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.15/847 - Release Date: 6/12/2007 9:42 PM

> In one census, my ggfather and children were listed, but ten years later > they had disappeared. I found them by chance reading the entire census and > finding GW Bates with my ggfather's children. Undoubtedly, the census > taker wrote out GW Bates rather than GW Butts, my ggfather, who could not > read nor write as many of his earlier documents were signed with an"X"; > later he learned to write his name as it appears on some later documents. > Billy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ben Cooper" <bcooper@mc2k.com> > To: <txredriv@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 11:34 AM > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Census Records Question > > >> Joyce, it makes a difference if you are talking about a maternal or >> paternal >> DNA print match. >> >> The paternal DNA print test is on the Y-Chromosome which is unique to the >> male and is passed from father to son generation after generation and >> changes rarely, like on the average one-marker every 500-years as such is >> very useful in identifying familial kinships going back through the >> years. >> If you cannot find your most recent common ancestor back to 1850 it >> becomes >> much more difficult, if not impossible beyond that. If you have not used >> the >> message boards in genealogy.com, you may try that. >> >> I have found numerous irregularities with census records which compounds >> the >> problems when searching census records. I found one ancestor in RRC where >> the first name was listed as the last name in the 1860 USC. I found it >> only >> by doing a page by page search of the census. >> >> If it is a materal match this is another issue. I have yet to find a >> common >> ancestor with 20-25 mtDNA print matches with my mother's DNA print >> withother >> families. I have not gotten off the ground with this type of match >> research. >> >> Regards, >> >> H. Ben Cooper >> Bella Vista, Arkansas >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Joyce A King" <jkin467@juno.com> >> To: <txredriv@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 9:34 AM >> Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Census Records Question >> >> >> A lady and I have connected our gr grandparents through a DNA project, >> however, through years of searching and every different spelling of their >> names, we have never found them on a census record anywhere--I even hired >> a >> professional to do the census check and he couldn't find anything - so, >> my >> question is, why would there be people that never show up on a census >> record? Has anyone else had this problem? Were the census records so >> inaccurate that this could happen? Anyone have any opinions on this? >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Juana, you and Winnie pick time and place and I'll be there. Come here if you would like. Just let me know. Donna steve harris <steveharris1@hotmail.com> wrote: too hot to get out is right I see in 1880, Hunt Co TX a Roberts family (8 children) with a James born 1867 and sister Florence born 1880. Parents are Floyd and Francis Roberts. fwiw ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beverly Presson" To: Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 11:53 AM Subject: [TXREDRIV] Jim Roberts > Hi Donna and Jo: > What I have on Jim Roberts isn't much and what I have is confusing, guess > this is a family I need to concentrate on. Jim Roberts married Lucinda > Mowery 1-9-1890 in Red River, the marriage license gives his name as J.M. > Roberts. Jim and Lucinda only had one child, a daughter who died at birth > 11/2/1890. On the 1900 census Jim gives his birth date as Nov 1867. Jim > died May 16, 1947, he is buried at Hopewell. In the Dale's cemetery > records it has James P. Roberts b. Sept 1, 1864. > > The only other Roberts I have are Florence Roberts and her family. > Florence married Corely Monkhouse. Not sure if Jim and Florence are > relate. If either of you need information for Florence Roberts please let > met know. > > Beverly > Bakersfield, CA > > I > > Jo Cox wrote: > I would like to know about Jim Roberts also. I have Roberts in RR County. > > JO > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Donna Dilbeck" > To: > Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 6:08 PM > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Mowery Reunion > > >> Hi Beverly, >> I have ties to the Monkhouse family....my great aunt married Gene >> Monkhouse >> ...son of Corley M. .. I am related to Luther Monroe Mowery thru my >> Hunkapillar family..... My sister in law are just nearly realated....but >> we >> are not..by blood... she is the grand daughter of Vela Monkhouse and if >> memory is correct...Charley.... Can you tell me more about the Jim >> Roberts? >> I am related to some Roberts too.... Thanks Donna Ervin Dilbeck >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Beverly Presson" >> To: "Jim Giddens" ; >> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 5:21 PM >> Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Mowery Reunion >> >> >>> >>> James and Susan had three children, two of which are also buried at >>> Hopewell. Lucinda married Jim Roberts, Frances married Charley "Bud" >>> Monkhouse. Luther Monroe I believe is buried at Idabel. >>> Beverly >>> Bakersfield, CA >>> >>> Jim Giddens wrote: >>> Thanks so much Beverly, >>> I remember making notes of the Thoms graves at Hopewell but I did not >>> know >>> of the connection. >>> I will probably slip your point into my presentation. "Presentation", >>> that >>> sounds like a big word for a old boy just "rambling" on in person. >>> I keep turning up new (old) information and I still have not made me an >>> outline, I better get that done to help me to not skip over main points >>> and to be able to conserve time. >>> Jim G >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Beverly Presson >>> To: Jim Giddens ; txredriv@rootsweb.com >>> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 6:17 AM >>> Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Mowery Reunion >>> >>> >>> Jim: >>> Jame's wife was Susie Thoms, sister to my gg grandfather, William Edward >>> Thoms. Susie married Robert Monkhouse after the dead of James and is >>> buried at Hopewell. >>> Beverly >>> Bakersfield, CA >>> >>> Jim Giddens wrote: >>> No, not the same, it is her mother, wife of my GG GF Wiley W Giddens >>> A little strange for daughter to have the same name but boys do it all >>> the >>> time. Middle names probably different. I think J.R. Mowery wife >>> remarried in Lamar County but I forget the name. She is probably buried >>> in >>> Lamar Co. >>> Jim G >>> p.s. poor J.R. Mowery, buried all alone over in the corner of the >>> cemetery. >>> Only Mowery in the Cemetery. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Mike Gibson" >>> To: ; >>> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 8:01 PM >>> Subject: RE: [TXREDRIV] Mowery Reunion >>> >>> >>>> Jim, >>>> >>>> The index shows J.R. Mowery born Dec. 24, 1839, died October 25, 1881, >>>> buried at Concord. >>>> Could not find Malinda Mowery, but I did find Malinda Giddens born >>>> Sept. >>>> 25, 1826, died November 30, 1851, buried at Concord. This may not be >>>> the >>>> same Malinda. >>>> >>>> Mike Gibson >>>> Mesquite, Texas >>>> >>>> >>>>>From: "Jim Giddens" >>>>>Reply-To: Jim Giddens , txredriv@rootsweb.com >>>>>To: "Red River Co Tx Rootsweb" >>>>>Subject: [TXREDRIV] Mowery Reunion >>>>>Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 22:29:28 -0500 >>>>> >>>>>Genealogy group: >>>>> I have been asked to a Mowery reunion in Idabel, Ok this Saturday >>>>> (9th). My GG GF's sister, Malinda Giddens married Mathias Mowery in >>>>> the early 1800s. >>>>> I have been asked to give my presentation on my Giddens connection to >>>>> the Mowerys in the a.m. and in the afternoon to give my presentation >>>>> on >>>>> Lt. J.R. Giddens that died in the Indian battle in Jan 1865 as a >>>>> Confederate soldier assigned to the Texas Indian Frontier. Lt Giddens >>>>> was a brother of Malinda. >>>>> It is interesting that Mathias & Malinda named one of there sons, >>>>> James Richard (Mowery), same given name as Lt. Giddens, but Lt Giddens >>>>> was still a boy when the other J.R. was born. >>>>> I did give the Lt Giddens and some information on the forts he was >>>>> connected with to the Paris, Son of the Confederate meeting this past >>>>> Monday night. >>>>> I feel a little awkward being asked to speak, but I am honored for >>>>> sure to be asked. >>>>>The reunion will be at the Choctaw Community Center. I will be back in >>>>>Paris by 6 for a birthday party for my only great grandchild. Addie >>>>>will >>>>>be 4. It is great that any child gets to know their great grandparent. >>>>>I hope to put more memories in her head as she grows up, but we never >>>>>know how much longer that will be. >>>>>Say a few words for me for Saturday. >>>>>Jim Giddens >>>>>Paris, Tx >>>>>p.s. Lt Giddens was born in 1829 and J.R. Mowery was born either in >>>>>1831 >>>>>or 1839. My plot is smeared at the date, so I will have to check that >>>>>out. Also, J.R. Mowery is buried at Concord (Giddens) Cemetery. >>>>>I will need to check on where Malinda was buried. I think she remarried >>>>>in Lamar County after Mathias died. >>>>> >>>>>------------------------------- >>>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Don forget that in the early years of out state and country, that the original large counties were split up into several counties over the years. Red River County originally covered land that is now included in 39 different counties. Example: I was in Floyd County, Ky researching my Giddens, found where they purchased land in 1813, 14 & 17 on "Johns Creek, a branch of Sandy River", but I could not find where they ever sold the land when they left about 1820. It skipped my mind at the time when they left, the area they lived in was in the newly created Pike County (out of Floyd Co). I have found in Texas, in Titus and Camp County etc courthouses, the courthouses have obtained copies of deeds from the Red River County courthouse of land deeds in their respective counties that were originally in Red River Co before RR Co was split up over the years. And I have found the Giddens name in county records as Gideon, Gettins, Gideons & Giddings. I think the county clerks and/or census taker just wrote down what they heard the person say, then (as has been stated), if a person could not read or simply did not look & see what the transcriber was writing, nothing was done. And, some did decided to change their name for different reason. Some just wanted to distinguish there branch of the family name from others with the same name. Such as the 3 Kerbo brothers, when crossing the Mississippi and going different directions, changed there name to Kerbow. Then if later, if a Kerbow was found, it was like finding your brand. (we have Kerbow Lake near Fulbright) Jim G ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol or Billy" <carolbilly94@bresnan.net> To: <txredriv@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 9:10 PM Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Census Records Question > In one census, my ggfather and children were listed, but ten years later > they had disappeared. I found them by chance reading the entire census and > finding GW Bates with my ggfather's children. Undoubtedly, the census > taker > wrote out GW Bates rather than GW Butts, my ggfather, who could not read > nor > write as many of his earlier documents were signed with an"X"; later he > learned to write his name as it appears on some later documents. Billy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ben Cooper" <bcooper@mc2k.com> > To: <txredriv@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 11:34 AM > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Census Records Question > > >> Joyce, it makes a difference if you are talking about a maternal or >> paternal >> DNA print match. >> >> The paternal DNA print test is on the Y-Chromosome which is unique to the >> male and is passed from father to son generation after generation and >> changes rarely, like on the average one-marker every 500-years as such is >> very useful in identifying familial kinships going back through the >> years. >> If you cannot find your most recent common ancestor back to 1850 it >> becomes >> much more difficult, if not impossible beyond that. If you have not used >> the >> message boards in genealogy.com, you may try that. >> >> I have found numerous irregularities with census records which compounds >> the >> problems when searching census records. I found one ancestor in RRC where >> the first name was listed as the last name in the 1860 USC. I found it >> only >> by doing a page by page search of the census. >> >> If it is a materal match this is another issue. I have yet to find a >> common >> ancestor with 20-25 mtDNA print matches with my mother's DNA print >> withother >> families. I have not gotten off the ground with this type of match >> research. >> >> Regards, >> >> H. Ben Cooper >> Bella Vista, Arkansas >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Joyce A King" <jkin467@juno.com> >> To: <txredriv@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 9:34 AM >> Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Census Records Question >> >> >> A lady and I have connected our gr grandparents through a DNA project, >> however, through years of searching and every different spelling of their >> names, we have never found them on a census record anywhere--I even hired >> a >> professional to do the census check and he couldn't find anything - so, >> my >> question is, why would there be people that never show up on a census >> record? Has anyone else had this problem? Were the census records so >> inaccurate that this could happen? Anyone have any opinions on this? >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In a message dated 6/11/07 6:49:49 AM Central Standard Time, pdafft@juno.com writes: Edith: When I said "The two of you", I meant the two researchers/ You don't test the ancestor, but check to see if various family lines have the same DNA. Paul Oh, gotcha! .··-.¸.-··. (`'·.¸(`'·.¸ ¸.·'´)¸.·'´) .··-.¸.-··. `·. .·´ «..* Edith *..» `·. .·` (¸.·'´(¸.·'´ `'·.¸)`'·.¸) http://new.photos.yahoo.com/nanarebaol/albums/ Co-Coordinator: Heartmade Blessings Comfortghan Program "Caring Hearts, Touching Lives, One Stitch at a Time" _http://www.heartmadeblessings.org/_ (http://www.heartmadeblessings.org/) A Member of CrochetList Admin ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Edith: When I said "The two of you", I meant the two researchers/ You don't test the ancestor, but check to see if various family lines have the same DNA. Paul