I have a question please? Since John D. with his wife Mary Jane, and children William E, Thomas D and Lizzie lived in Collin county, Texas in 1900 per the 1900 Federal Census why do you think John D. and family ended up in Lamar County 4 years later? Other than farming? ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE I can't buy one but if you colud find out the info yhat would be wonderful of you. THANK YOU FOR THE Offer. Thanks Donna ----- Original Message ---- From: "BBIRDSWIFE@aol.com" <BBIRDSWIFE@aol.com> To: txredriv@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 12:29:21 AM Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Help on my Ledbetter and Freeland family Donna, Death certs start at 1903 in the Lamar County Clerks office. I will be going there in the morning to look for some deed/probate/death records for someone else, would you like for me to see if his death certificate is there? I can look at it and then just hand write all the info. Death certs now cost 21.00, if you want to contact them about getting his, if it is there. I am afraid you are out of luck about an obit for him, Paris Junior College Library has copies of obits from old Paris News and other local newspapers on microfiche Dates available: Western Star: January 3, 1851-December 20, 1851 Lamar Inquirer: September 4, 1856- October 16, 1856 Dinner Horn: 1924, 1927, 1929, 1933 Lamar County Echo: January 1973 - December 1989 Paris News: March 24, 1909-1911, March 24, 1916 - present Just let me know. Debra, in Paris, Tx ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Donna, Death certs start at 1903 in the Lamar County Clerks office. I will be going there in the morning to look for some deed/probate/death records for someone else, would you like for me to see if his death certificate is there? I can look at it and then just hand write all the info. Death certs now cost 21.00, if you want to contact them about getting his, if it is there. I am afraid you are out of luck about an obit for him, Paris Junior College Library has copies of obits from old Paris News and other local newspapers on microfiche Dates available: Western Star: January 3, 1851-December 20, 1851 Lamar Inquirer: September 4, 1856- October 16, 1856 Dinner Horn: 1924, 1927, 1929, 1933 Lamar County Echo: January 1973 - December 1989 Paris News: March 24, 1909-1911, March 24, 1916 - present Just let me know. Debra, in Paris, Tx ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Donna, I don't recall getting a private e-mail from you. I must have assumed it was to the entire list. Knowing nothing about Ledbetter's, I just did not reply, hoping someone else would. I have lived in Lamar County for 11 years now and do received their list e-mails also, but seldom have a helpful answer for them. Red River County is where I was raised and is my home no matter where I have lived over the years. I thank Cynthia for giving you a helpful answer. Courthouses are not my strong point, but maybe a volunteer from the Lamar group can help you with death records. The only records I have ever searched in courthouses are deed records. Meanwhile old cemeteries and back roads of Red River County are my passion. Having said that, I want to thank again Lawrence and Sue Dale for their work of love they have done on researching of Red River County Cemeteries for over 25 years. What I know and have knowledge of is only a drop in the bucket to theirs. They have covered and recovered it all. Jim Giddens Paris, Tx (native Red River County) ----- Original Message ----- From: "massedixs" <massedixs@sbcglobal.net> To: <txredriv@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 8:31 PM Subject: [TXREDRIV] Help on my Ledbetter and Freeland family > Hello to the group . Jim I have e-mail you in private a couple of > times, I guess you don't get your private e-mail I hope you or someone > can help me PLEASE find the cause of death of my great grandfather > John Danial Ledbetter. > He died or was killed on Aug. 28 1904 and is buried in Tiger Town > cemetery, I have been told by my family that they were very poor but the > headstone is very nice for the time frame he died in, they came from > Alabama (long story) he was married to Mary Jane Click ( her father was > Richard Click) she died and is buried next to him on March 21 1911 and > my grandmother was raised by her brothers and sister in laws. William > Edward (Uncle ED) who was hit by lighting and died 1933 and Thomas > Danial Ledbetter (Uncle Tom) I was very close to him but he never talked > about Papa and Ma. My grandmother married Albert Earl Freeland son on > William (Will) Freeland grandma was Lizzie Mae Ledbetter. They had 9 > child all born in or around Paris > my mother was the oldest she became a nurse there in Paris and entered > WWII and became a 1st LT in the 11 evac.unit and was highly decorated > and had 5 campaign and battle stars with letter from IKE and Patton > that I have now she died in 1993 at VA hospital in Dallas where we > live. Her sisters were Thelma (Dean), Bessie Bee, brother Ferrell (died > at 10 mo. from lye soap) sisters Ruth, Arduth, Faon, brother Royce and > sister Malone. > They were born and lived in Unity, Globe, Sumner, and Chiota. > Can you PLEASE help me I have health problems that will not let me make > the trip to look for myself. Other connection there are the Hicks, > (Maude Freeland Hicks grandpa's, sister they had a gro. store. The > Wideman's and the Stapletons. I truly hope you are some one would be > kind and help me find the answer this question. > Thanks Donna > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.10/976 - Release Date: 8/27/2007 > 6:20 PM > >

THANK YOU for your reply, Papa and Ma lived in both Red River CO. and Lamar CO. they did share cropping and other odd jobs in the area. My Grandparents lived after there marriage in Lamar CO.I sure would love to find the cause of death of John Daniel he was he was so young when he died. THANKS AGAIN, Donna Cynthia Samples wrote: > Sounds like you need Lamar County. All the places you mention are in Lamar > County, although there are probably some people on this list who are familar > with both. > > If you haven't already done this, go to the Lamar County TXGenWeb site, > > http://gen.1starnet.com/ > > and click on "Cemetery Records" and do a search on your names. You might > find some information on some of them. > > Cynthia Samples > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "massedixs" <massedixs@sbcglobal.net> > To: <txredriv@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 8:31 PM > Subject: [TXREDRIV] Help on my Ledbetter and Freeland family > > > >> Hello to the group . Jim I have e-mail you in private a couple of >> times, I guess you don't get your private e-mail I hope you or someone >> can help me PLEASE find the cause of death of my great grandfather >> John Danial Ledbetter. >> He died or was killed on Aug. 28 1904 and is buried in Tiger Town >> cemetery, I have been told by my family that they were very poor but the >> headstone is very nice for the time frame he died in, they came from >> Alabama (long story) he was married to Mary Jane Click ( her father was >> Richard Click) she died and is buried next to him on March 21 1911 and >> my grandmother was raised by her brothers and sister in laws. William >> Edward (Uncle ED) who was hit by lighting and died 1933 and Thomas >> Danial Ledbetter (Uncle Tom) I was very close to him but he never talked >> about Papa and Ma. My grandmother married Albert Earl Freeland son on >> William (Will) Freeland grandma was Lizzie Mae Ledbetter. They had 9 >> child all born in or around Paris >> my mother was the oldest she became a nurse there in Paris and entered >> WWII and became a 1st LT in the 11 evac.unit and was highly decorated >> and had 5 campaign and battle stars with letter from IKE and Patton >> that I have now she died in 1993 at VA hospital in Dallas where we >> live. Her sisters were Thelma (Dean), Bessie Bee, brother Ferrell (died >> at 10 mo. from lye soap) sisters Ruth, Arduth, Faon, brother Royce and >> sister Malone. >> They were born and lived in Unity, Globe, Sumner, and Chiota. >> Can you PLEASE help me I have health problems that will not let me make >> the trip to look for myself. Other connection there are the Hicks, >> (Maude Freeland Hicks grandpa's, sister they had a gro. store. The >> Wideman's and the Stapletons. I truly hope you are some one would be >> kind and help me find the answer this question. >> Thanks Donna >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Sounds like you need Lamar County. All the places you mention are in Lamar County, although there are probably some people on this list who are familar with both. If you haven't already done this, go to the Lamar County TXGenWeb site, http://gen.1starnet.com/ and click on "Cemetery Records" and do a search on your names. You might find some information on some of them. Cynthia Samples ----- Original Message ----- From: "massedixs" <massedixs@sbcglobal.net> To: <txredriv@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 8:31 PM Subject: [TXREDRIV] Help on my Ledbetter and Freeland family > Hello to the group . Jim I have e-mail you in private a couple of > times, I guess you don't get your private e-mail I hope you or someone > can help me PLEASE find the cause of death of my great grandfather > John Danial Ledbetter. > He died or was killed on Aug. 28 1904 and is buried in Tiger Town > cemetery, I have been told by my family that they were very poor but the > headstone is very nice for the time frame he died in, they came from > Alabama (long story) he was married to Mary Jane Click ( her father was > Richard Click) she died and is buried next to him on March 21 1911 and > my grandmother was raised by her brothers and sister in laws. William > Edward (Uncle ED) who was hit by lighting and died 1933 and Thomas > Danial Ledbetter (Uncle Tom) I was very close to him but he never talked > about Papa and Ma. My grandmother married Albert Earl Freeland son on > William (Will) Freeland grandma was Lizzie Mae Ledbetter. They had 9 > child all born in or around Paris > my mother was the oldest she became a nurse there in Paris and entered > WWII and became a 1st LT in the 11 evac.unit and was highly decorated > and had 5 campaign and battle stars with letter from IKE and Patton > that I have now she died in 1993 at VA hospital in Dallas where we > live. Her sisters were Thelma (Dean), Bessie Bee, brother Ferrell (died > at 10 mo. from lye soap) sisters Ruth, Arduth, Faon, brother Royce and > sister Malone. > They were born and lived in Unity, Globe, Sumner, and Chiota. > Can you PLEASE help me I have health problems that will not let me make > the trip to look for myself. Other connection there are the Hicks, > (Maude Freeland Hicks grandpa's, sister they had a gro. store. The > Wideman's and the Stapletons. I truly hope you are some one would be > kind and help me find the answer this question. > Thanks Donna > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hello to the group . Jim I have e-mail you in private a couple of times, I guess you don't get your private e-mail I hope you or someone can help me PLEASE find the cause of death of my great grandfather John Danial Ledbetter. He died or was killed on Aug. 28 1904 and is buried in Tiger Town cemetery, I have been told by my family that they were very poor but the headstone is very nice for the time frame he died in, they came from Alabama (long story) he was married to Mary Jane Click ( her father was Richard Click) she died and is buried next to him on March 21 1911 and my grandmother was raised by her brothers and sister in laws. William Edward (Uncle ED) who was hit by lighting and died 1933 and Thomas Danial Ledbetter (Uncle Tom) I was very close to him but he never talked about Papa and Ma. My grandmother married Albert Earl Freeland son on William (Will) Freeland grandma was Lizzie Mae Ledbetter. They had 9 child all born in or around Paris my mother was the oldest she became a nurse there in Paris and entered WWII and became a 1st LT in the 11 evac.unit and was highly decorated and had 5 campaign and battle stars with letter from IKE and Patton that I have now she died in 1993 at VA hospital in Dallas where we live. Her sisters were Thelma (Dean), Bessie Bee, brother Ferrell (died at 10 mo. from lye soap) sisters Ruth, Arduth, Faon, brother Royce and sister Malone. They were born and lived in Unity, Globe, Sumner, and Chiota. Can you PLEASE help me I have health problems that will not let me make the trip to look for myself. Other connection there are the Hicks, (Maude Freeland Hicks grandpa's, sister they had a gro. store. The Wideman's and the Stapletons. I truly hope you are some one would be kind and help me find the answer this question. Thanks Donna

When I replied to Jim's email, it only went to his address. What I said was......there are at least 2 McKenzie Cemeteries. One is just a little way out of Clarksville and the other is 1/2 miles from Cuthand Cemetery. Our gr grandparents, Latimers, are buried there and some of the House family. I don't remember many markers in there and I don't recall a Burkett. Nell or Don Leatherwood would know, or even Dorothy. Marilyn Shelby ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Thanks Marilyn, I had forgot about the mention of two McKenzie Cemeteries and I just finished looking at the update on the Rootsweb site. I had also found my notes on the McKenzie College Cemetery and found no mention of a Burkett. I am glad I sent my reply to the list so that I got your response and I don't keep looking in the wrong spot. Jim G ----- Original Message ----- From: <MGShelby36@aol.com> To: <txredriv@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 6:25 PM Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Burial Book of Red River County > When I replied to Jim's email, it only went to his address. What I said > was......there are at least 2 McKenzie Cemeteries. One is just a little > way out > of Clarksville and the other is 1/2 miles from Cuthand Cemetery. Our gr > grandparents, Latimers, are buried there and some of the House family. I > don't > remember many markers in there and I don't recall a Burkett. Nell or Don > Leatherwood would know, or even Dorothy. > > Marilyn Shelby > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL > at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.10/976 - Release Date: 8/27/2007 > 6:20 PM > >

MaryAnn, I made a dry run at the McKenzie Cemetery. I did not expect to make the stop and was not prepared with my weed-wadding boots and my note from you. The small cemetery was up to waist high weeds and I could not remember the name of the grave I was looking for. I looked over the markers the best I could but a few of the markers, I could not make out. I took pictures with my new digital of about 4 or 5 of them, but I still can not read them any better. I see now I was looking for Lizzie Burkett. Most of the markers are of McKenzie graves and several are Dawson. I will try again soon, and be better prepared. Jim Giddens Paris, Tx ----- Original Message ----- From: <fma.root@tds.net> To: <txredriv@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 9:16 AM Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Burial Book of Red River County > Hi, > Yes, we did go to the McKenzie Cemetery, also Albion, Cuthand, and > Fairview. I'd stupidly left all my papers at home, and was pretty dumb > about what I wanted to know. We also went to the County clerk's office at > Clarksville. It was a little much for me to try to research with Karen & > Nell wanting to "help" & I didn't know who I was looking for, because I'd > left my papers in MI. I won't make that mistake again! > > The days we visited cemeteries, it had been rainy & they were pretty > muddy, with uncut grass. I think they'd been recently mowed, but the rain > made the grass sprout up again. > > Tommy Mauldin has been very helpful to lookup things for me. I see the > Dales have a new set of books out, which I might consider. > > Hope all is going well with you. Things are fine here. We're very > concerned & worried about Bill & Dorothy, of course. I know things aren't > good for them & the information that Mom passes on really doesn't make a > lot of sense. I don't know if she's messing it up when repeating it, or > what. > > Keep in touch, > Love, > MA > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.15/949 - Release Date: 8/12/2007 > 11:03 AM > >

In a message dated 8/23/07 7:29:12 PM Central Daylight Time, jimgidd@suddenlink.net writes: It is a pretty big cemetery. I do not know if it is plotted or not. There's a book at the Clarksville library where the cemetery is mapped out. That sure helped us with we were there in June! We would never have found the Stone graves without going to the library first. .··-.¸.-··. (`'·.¸(`'·.¸ ¸.·'´)¸.·'´) .··-.¸.-··. `·. .·´ «..* Edith *..» `·. .·` (¸.·'´(¸.·'´ `'·.¸)`'·.¸) In loving memory of Elizabeth B. Post August 8, 2006 Co-Coordinator: Heartmade Blessings Comfortghan Program "Caring Hearts, Touching Lives, One Stitch at a Time" _http://www.heartmadeblessings.org/_ (http://www.heartmadeblessings.org/) A Member of CrochetList Admin ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

I hope to within a couple of weeks to get to McKenzie Cemetery to take a picture of a grave, when I do, I will be happy to take one (or more) of the grave at the Clarksville Cemetery for you. Can you tell me where it is located in the cemetery. It is a pretty big cemetery. I do not know if it is plotted or not. Jim Giddens Paris, Tx ----- Original Message ----- From: <NANAREB@aol.com> To: <txredriv@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Clarksville Cemetery In a message dated 8/23/07 3:44:04 PM Central Standard Time, BBIRDSWIFE@aol.com writes: well, I did not see the picture of the individual tombstones, just the gate at the opening of the cemetery. If you are right, that is great, Sometimes somebody has taken a photo of the gates, but if you click on 'request a photo" sometimes a volunteer will go out there and photograph the actual grave. I have requested a photo a couple of times and got them! .··-.¸.-··. (`'·.¸(`'·.¸ ¸.·'´)¸.·'´) .··-.¸.-··. `·. .·´ «..* Edith *..» `·. .·` (¸.·'´(¸.·'´ `'·.¸)`'·.¸) http://www.flickr.com/photos/nanareb/ Co-Coordinator: Heartmade Blessings Comfortghan Program "Caring Hearts, Touching Lives, One Stitch at a Time" _http://www.heartmadeblessings.org/_ (http://www.heartmadeblessings.org/) A Member of CrochetList Admin ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TXREDRIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.2/967 - Release Date: 8/22/2007 6:51 PM

In a message dated 8/23/07 3:44:04 PM Central Standard Time, BBIRDSWIFE@aol.com writes: well, I did not see the picture of the individual tombstones, just the gate at the opening of the cemetery. If you are right, that is great, Sometimes somebody has taken a photo of the gates, but if you click on 'request a photo" sometimes a volunteer will go out there and photograph the actual grave. I have requested a photo a couple of times and got them! .··-.¸.-··. (`'·.¸(`'·.¸ ¸.·'´)¸.·'´) .··-.¸.-··. `·. .·´ «..* Edith *..» `·. .·` (¸.·'´(¸.·'´ `'·.¸)`'·.¸) http://www.flickr.com/photos/nanareb/ Co-Coordinator: Heartmade Blessings Comfortghan Program "Caring Hearts, Touching Lives, One Stitch at a Time" _http://www.heartmadeblessings.org/_ (http://www.heartmadeblessings.org/) A Member of CrochetList Admin ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

well, I did not see the picture of the individual tombstones, just the gate at the opening of the cemetery. If you are right, that is great, And you are so very welcome, anytime. debra ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Debra, You are correct--the pictures are already on Findagrave. Thank you! Susi In a message dated 8/23/2007 4:55:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, BBIRDSWIFE@aol.com writes: John Ross Rainey is already listed on Findagrave, Marybeth submitted, I believe, all the Clarksville, Cemetary interments on Findagrave.com. _Homepage of AT ONE TIME_ (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~atonetime/index.html) Mary Hall Ferguson is taking pictures of tombstones in Lamar County. There is a place on her site, listed above, where you can request her to photograph and tombstone. Debra ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

John Ross Rainey is already listed on Findagrave, Marybeth submitted, I believe, all the Clarksville, Cemetary interments on Findagrave.com. _Homepage of AT ONE TIME_ (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~atonetime/index.html) Mary Hall Ferguson is taking pictures of tombstones in Lamar County. There is a place on her site, listed above, where you can request her to photograph and tombstone. Debra ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

In a message dated 8/23/07 2:36:51 PM Central Standard Time, Seg420@aol.com writes: Edith, Thanks for the tip! :) You're welcome! .··-.¸.-··. (`'·.¸(`'·.¸ ¸.·'´)¸.·'´) .··-.¸.-··. `·. .·´ «..* Edith *..» `·. .·` (¸.·'´(¸.·'´ `'·.¸)`'·.¸) http://www.flickr.com/photos/nanareb/ Co-Coordinator: Heartmade Blessings Comfortghan Program "Caring Hearts, Touching Lives, One Stitch at a Time" _http://www.heartmadeblessings.org/_ (http://www.heartmadeblessings.org/) A Member of CrochetList Admin ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Edith, Thanks for the tip! Susi Godfrey ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

In a message dated 8/23/07 2:26:06 PM Central Standard Time, Seg420@aol.com writes: Can you tell me if anyone in the area photographs headstones? Some other area groups I belong to do have pictures available. If you add this grave to findagrave.com, you can ask for a photograph to be taken. .··-.¸.-··. (`'·.¸(`'·.¸ ¸.·'´)¸.·'´) .··-.¸.-··. `·. .·´ «..* Edith *..» `·. .·` (¸.·'´(¸.·'´ `'·.¸)`'·.¸) http://www.flickr.com/photos/nanareb/ Co-Coordinator: Heartmade Blessings Comfortghan Program "Caring Hearts, Touching Lives, One Stitch at a Time" _http://www.heartmadeblessings.org/_ (http://www.heartmadeblessings.org/) A Member of CrochetList Admin ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Thank you so much for your response and your willingness to add them to the list! Can you tell me if anyone in the area photographs headstones? Some other area groups I belong to do have pictures available. Thanks again, Susi Godfrey ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour