I am a new member to this list and I am a descendant of the Ballard Gates Beldsoe family of Clarksville. I have alot of information, pictures and stories on the Blesoe family. They came to Red River Co. in 1861. If any of you are researching this family, please contact me. I do have a question. The Bledsoe's are buried in the Madras Cemetery, Ollie Bledsoe was a charter member. My mother says she remembers going to an anniversary celebration for the Old Shiloh Church and you could sit in the old church and look out at the graves. Is the Madras Cemetery and the Old Shiloh Church Cemetery the same place? Thank You Diane Miller

The Latino births may have been delivered by a midwife, possibly a qualified one. Back in the eighties, there was a Coyote who brought scores of peons he sort of rented out to landowners. He took care of his lendable "slaves," allegedly even importing prostitutes from Mexico to console them in their exile. Maybe midwivery was part of his care system. I think he is no longer in Red River County. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene Phillips" <gnphllps@comcast.net> To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 8:09 AM Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Babies not born in Red River Co. > At 03:02 PM 3/3/03, you wrote: > >Jim, > >I don't know exactly when all the doctors in Clarksville stopped > >delivering babies but they had already stopped before I went to work at > >the Clarksville Hospital about 25 years ago. > > > I would guess about 1975. The numbers dropped drastically that year from the previous year, but had been steadily declining through the 60s. It dropped to single digits in 1984 and stayed there. What is interesting is that probably 90% of the surnames of the people born in the 80s and 90s were Hispanic. > Below are the birth numbers from 1926 to 1995. > > Gene > > > 1926 - 314 > 1927 - 353 > 1928 - 644 > 1929 - 493 > 1930 - 521 > 1931 - 535 > 1932 - 561 > 1933 - 683 > 1934 - 752 > 1935 - 725 > 1936 - 561 > 1937 - 616 > 1938 - 553 > 1939 - 521 > 1940 - 537 > 1941 - 526 > 1942 - 560 > 1943 - 620 > 1944 - 558 > 1945 - 462 > 1946 - 539 > 1947 - 508 > 1948 - 452 > 1949 - 440 > 1950 - 398 > 1951 - 414 > 1952 - 348 > 1953 - 392 > 1954 - 379 > 1955 - 339 > 1956 - 357 > 1957 - 337 > 1958 - 315 > 1959 - 329 > 1960 - 283 > 1961 - 279 > 1962 - 267 > 1963 - 249 > 1964 - 232 > 1965 - 198 > 1966 - 172 > 1967 - 162 > 1968 - 145 > 1969 - 144 > 1970 - 202 > 1971 - 145 > 1972 - 88 > 1973 - 90 > 1974 - 95 > 1975 - 41 > 1976 - 16 > 1977 - 13 > 1978 - 13 > 1979 - 14 > 1980 - 16 > 1981 - 9 > 1982 - 12 > 1983 - 11 > 1984 - 3 > 1985 - 3 > 1986 - 5 > 1987 - 3 > 1988 - 4 > 1989 - 3 > 1990 - 4 > 1991 - 4 > 1992 - 5 > 1993 - 6 > 1994 - 3 > 1995 - 1 > > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > >

At 03:02 PM 3/3/03, you wrote: >Jim, >I don't know exactly when all the doctors in Clarksville stopped >delivering babies but they had already stopped before I went to work at >the Clarksville Hospital about 25 years ago. I would guess about 1975. The numbers dropped drastically that year from the previous year, but had been steadily declining through the 60s. It dropped to single digits in 1984 and stayed there. What is interesting is that probably 90% of the surnames of the people born in the 80s and 90s were Hispanic. Below are the birth numbers from 1926 to 1995. Gene 1926 - 314 1927 - 353 1928 - 644 1929 - 493 1930 - 521 1931 - 535 1932 - 561 1933 - 683 1934 - 752 1935 - 725 1936 - 561 1937 - 616 1938 - 553 1939 - 521 1940 - 537 1941 - 526 1942 - 560 1943 - 620 1944 - 558 1945 - 462 1946 - 539 1947 - 508 1948 - 452 1949 - 440 1950 - 398 1951 - 414 1952 - 348 1953 - 392 1954 - 379 1955 - 339 1956 - 357 1957 - 337 1958 - 315 1959 - 329 1960 - 283 1961 - 279 1962 - 267 1963 - 249 1964 - 232 1965 - 198 1966 - 172 1967 - 162 1968 - 145 1969 - 144 1970 - 202 1971 - 145 1972 - 88 1973 - 90 1974 - 95 1975 - 41 1976 - 16 1977 - 13 1978 - 13 1979 - 14 1980 - 16 1981 - 9 1982 - 12 1983 - 11 1984 - 3 1985 - 3 1986 - 5 1987 - 3 1988 - 4 1989 - 3 1990 - 4 1991 - 4 1992 - 5 1993 - 6 1994 - 3 1995 - 1

Sally Alexander, b 1880, d 11/20/1904, buried in Smith-Rosalie Cemetery unmarked grave DRI #47878 *RRR page 220, name as Sarah Sabina, daughter of John Dodson and Elvira Adeline Perkins Holdaway, married to William Alexander on 9/28/1900 in RRCo. * this is an article about Sally or Sarah's parents who settled in Cuthand abt 1860 he is buried at Cuthand and she is buried in Rosalie. Mr Holdaway was one of the John's that Johntown was named for. The Holdaway's had eight children. Sallie Alexander b 2/17/1879 d 2/17/1879 Smith-Rosalie Cemetery Loc. West Infant of Will and Sally EPITAPH; HER SPIRIT SMILES FROM THE BRIGHT SHORE AND SOFTLY WHISPERS WEEP ON MORE. There is a Martha I. Alexander b. 4/9/1868 d 12/2/1900 buried Cuthand Cemetery LOC Northwest EPITAPH; SHE WAS A KIND AND AFFECTIONATE WIFE, A FOND MOTHER AND A FRIEND TO ALL There is a baby in the Cuthand Cemetery also Edith Alexander b 4/16/1895 d 11/16/1898 LOC Northwest EPITAPH; WE LOVED THIS LITTLE TENDER ONE AND WOULD HAVE WISHED HER STAY BUT NOW SHE SHINES IN ENDLESS DAYS These are the only ones that look like they might fit what you are looking for, there are no matches on the mens names. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cathy Bell" <cjbell@inebraska.com> To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 8:40 AM Subject: [TXREDRIV] Alexander family of Red River county > I am searching for my Alexander family . I have very little to go on, so I will type what I know. > > J.S. Alexander was born in 1820, according to the 1900 Red River county census. I do not know who his wife was or even his first name. > > His son is A.W. (William) Alexander, born in about 1876 at Arkansas. He married Sallie Holdaway in 1900 at Clarksville TX. They had a daughter, Katie, born in October 1900. > > >From the 1900 U.S. census, J.S. Alexander was living in the household of his son J.W. Alexander and his wife Martha. > > A relative years ago by the name of Eva Alexander Gates gave me the following information: > > Some of the children of J.S. Alexander are: > > J.W. Alexander born abt. 1860 at Arkansas > A.W.(William) born abt. 1876 at ARk. > Berry or Berryman Alexander > John Alexander > Lee Alexander > Calvin Alexander > > Any assistance in locating this family's ancestors is appreciated. > My email is cjbell@inebraska.com > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > Visit Red River County GenWeb site http://www.rootsweb.com/~txredriv > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

You would think some kind of records of births to citizens of Red River County could be recorded in Red River Co, but I guess not. I even feel guilty that my 3 children were not born in Texas because I was in the service and in school out of state. Well, not really guilty, but just the point of genealogy records for them will be hard to find. Jim Giddens Paris, Tx ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon Black" <black@1starnet.com> To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 3:02 PM Subject: [TXREDRIV] Babies not born in Red River Co. > Jim, > I don't know exactly when all the doctors in Clarksville stopped > delivering babies but they had already stopped before I went to work at > the Clarksville Hospital about 25 years ago. I only worked there for > about a year and I did deliver one baby for a girl who didn't have time > to make it to Paris. She didn't even have time for one of our local > docs to get there. He got there after it was pretty well over. That > was quite an experience because I didn't really have the equipment that > I needed. Plus, the baby was premature and had to be rushed to > Texarkana by ambulance as soon as possible. He made it, though and did > just fine. > It will be confusing for future genealogists who are looking for births > in Red River county . Most will be in Lamar County but a few will be > in Idabel, OK. > Sharon >

And I believe some are even going to Mt Pleasant. I was told a few years ago a OB/Gyn doctor was going to come to Clarksville, but he was told no other doctor would take emergency calls for him if he was out of town etc, so he did not come. JimG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon Black" <black@1starnet.com> To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 3:02 PM Subject: [TXREDRIV] Babies not born in Red River Co. > Jim, > I don't know exactly when all the doctors in Clarksville stopped > delivering babies but they had already stopped before I went to work at > the Clarksville Hospital about 25 years ago. I only worked there for > about a year and I did deliver one baby for a girl who didn't have time > to make it to Paris. She didn't even have time for one of our local > docs to get there. He got there after it was pretty well over. That > was quite an experience because I didn't really have the equipment that > I needed. Plus, the baby was premature and had to be rushed to > Texarkana by ambulance as soon as possible. He made it, though and did > just fine. > It will be confusing for future genealogists who are looking for births > in Red River county . Most will be in Lamar County but a few will be > in Idabel, OK. > Sharon >

Jim, I don't know exactly when all the doctors in Clarksville stopped delivering babies but they had already stopped before I went to work at the Clarksville Hospital about 25 years ago. I only worked there for about a year and I did deliver one baby for a girl who didn't have time to make it to Paris. She didn't even have time for one of our local docs to get there. He got there after it was pretty well over. That was quite an experience because I didn't really have the equipment that I needed. Plus, the baby was premature and had to be rushed to Texarkana by ambulance as soon as possible. He made it, though and did just fine. It will be confusing for future genealogists who are looking for births in Red River county . Most will be in Lamar County but a few will be in Idabel, OK. Sharon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Giddens" <jimg@cox-internet.com> To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 2:24 PM Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Rails More: I think since the trains had stopped running some years ago with out any fanfare or attention, I just did not think much about it. My thinking was, Well the trains for sure will never run through Red River County again now, due to No tracks to run on if they wanted to. Another thought: The hospital in Clarksville (Red River Co) stopped delivering baby several years ago. I assume the records will show "No" births in Red River County from that point on. That just does not see right. Jim Giddens Paris, Tx ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jess Suttles" <pjess@bscn.com> To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 9:18 AM Subject: [TXREDRIV] Rails > Can any one on the list tell me when the Train rails were taken up? > That ran through > Annona-Avery-Dekalb etc. > > Jesse Suttles > > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

More: I think since the trains had stopped running some years ago with out any fanfare or attention, I just did not think much about it. My thinking was, Well the trains for sure will never run through Red River County again now, due to No tracks to run on if they wanted to. Another thought: The hospital in Clarksville (Red River Co) stopped delivering baby several years ago. I assume the records will show "No" births in Red River County from that point on. That just does not see right. Jim Giddens Paris, Tx ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jess Suttles" <pjess@bscn.com> To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 9:18 AM Subject: [TXREDRIV] Rails > Can any one on the list tell me when the Train rails were taken up? > That ran through > Annona-Avery-Dekalb etc. > > Jesse Suttles > > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Thanks Phyllis. I am not sure if any of these Paradises were in MO. I know that the three brothers came to Red River from AL from what little is out there on this family. Thanks, Drew Slate Fort Worth, Tx ----- Original Message ----- From: <PRCarpe@aol.com> To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 12:05 PM Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Paradise > > > Alonzo Paradise married Willie Cavenar on 24 NMay 1904 in RRCo > > TX > > > > I just noticed that there was a John Paradise who owned land in Laclede > County, MO in 1840. > Phyllis in Colorado > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

> Alonzo Paradise married Willie Cavenar on 24 NMay 1904 in RRCo > TX > I just noticed that there was a John Paradise who owned land in Laclede County, MO in 1840. Phyllis in Colorado

Earl Cagle, E-mails and pictures I have sent directly to you are all being bounced back to me. I have a earthlink.net and a earthlink.com addy for you, neither seems to work. Any suggestions. Jim Giddens Paris, Tx

Sam, this has been happening to me on a regular basis. All the other virus EMails Norton deletes, but this one it can't handle, so it just cuts off your connection when it tries to download it. The one I get comes from big@boss.com. There is no such EMail address. When this happens, go to the internet, go to http://www.mail2web.com and put in your EMail address and password. Your EMails on your server will come up. Delete the one with the virus and you will be back in business. This is a real pain to do, but I don't know how to keep it from happening, since I don't know the source. Cynthia ----- Original Message ----- From: "sam embrey" <sembrey@cox-internet.com> To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 11:24 PM Subject: [TXREDRIV] Virus????? > Last night, I looked at my computer around 9:00 PM. There was one message from Drew Slate on the RR County, plus there was 4 messages from Bob Moore's personal address, and these were followed by 2 messages that my Norton had stopped because they contained a Virus. It would not tell who they were from, but only that they contained a virus, so if anyone else had something on my comp. about that time, you have problems. The others were clean. > Sam > Paris > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

I don't remember the exact years, but it was several years ago now. Seems to me it was sort of a quiet thing done without much attention. It was more obvious when the overpasses started coming down. The overpass near Detroit was probably taken down about 3 to 6 years ago, but again, seems it was done without fanfare. Sorry I can't be more specific JimG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jess Suttles" <pjess@bscn.com> To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 9:18 AM Subject: [TXREDRIV] Rails > Can any one on the list tell me when the Train rails were taken up? > That ran through > Annona-Avery-Dekalb etc. > > Jesse Suttles > > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Cathy, I find a listing in Gifford White's First Settlers of Red River Co. TX for a Daniel J. Alexander Second Class Cert. pg 39. Six Months from Tennessee by Skipper Steely lists Blake Alexander and Betsy Alexander... Index pg 171. They may/may not be related to the people you named.. Mary/ Aransas Pass/TX ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cathy Bell" <cjbell@inebraska.com> To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 8:40 AM Subject: [TXREDRIV] Alexander family of Red River county > I am searching for my Alexander family . I have very little to go on, so I will type what I know. > > J.S. Alexander was born in 1820, according to the 1900 Red River county census. I do not know who his wife was or even his first name. > > His son is A.W. (William) Alexander, born in about 1876 at Arkansas. He married Sallie Holdaway in 1900 at Clarksville TX. They had a daughter, Katie, born in October 1900. > > >From the 1900 U.S. census, J.S. Alexander was living in the household of his son J.W. Alexander and his wife Martha. > > A relative years ago by the name of Eva Alexander Gates gave me the following information: > > Some of the children of J.S. Alexander are: > > J.W. Alexander born abt. 1860 at Arkansas > A.W.(William) born abt. 1876 at ARk. > Berry or Berryman Alexander > John Alexander > Lee Alexander > Calvin Alexander > > Any assistance in locating this family's ancestors is appreciated. > My email is cjbell@inebraska.com > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > Visit Red River County GenWeb site http://www.rootsweb.com/~txredriv > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > -.-Spam and virus filtered by modusMail using Norman virus engine.-.-

Can any one on the list tell me when the Train rails were taken up? That ran through Annona-Avery-Dekalb etc. Jesse Suttles

I am searching for my Alexander family . I have very little to go on, so I will type what I know. J.S. Alexander was born in 1820, according to the 1900 Red River county census. I do not know who his wife was or even his first name. His son is A.W. (William) Alexander, born in about 1876 at Arkansas. He married Sallie Holdaway in 1900 at Clarksville TX. They had a daughter, Katie, born in October 1900. >From the 1900 U.S. census, J.S. Alexander was living in the household of his son J.W. Alexander and his wife Martha. A relative years ago by the name of Eva Alexander Gates gave me the following information: Some of the children of J.S. Alexander are: J.W. Alexander born abt. 1860 at Arkansas A.W.(William) born abt. 1876 at ARk. Berry or Berryman Alexander John Alexander Lee Alexander Calvin Alexander Any assistance in locating this family's ancestors is appreciated. My email is cjbell@inebraska.com

Last night, I looked at my computer around 9:00 PM. There was one message from Drew Slate on the RR County, plus there was 4 messages from Bob Moore's personal address, and these were followed by 2 messages that my Norton had stopped because they contained a Virus. It would not tell who they were from, but only that they contained a virus, so if anyone else had something on my comp. about that time, you have problems. The others were clean. Sam Paris

I need to proofread before I send. It is "twin" sister, sorry about that. JimG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary N. Glenn" <mnglenn@the-i.net> To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 11:04 PM Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Paradise > Jim, I do not understand the term "twice" sister. Were they double cousins? > Mary/Aransas Pass/TX > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Giddens" <jimg@cox-internet.com> > To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 10:22 PM > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Paradise > > > > I remember a Cavender family at Fulbright when I was dating my wife Sue > > (from Fulbright). I am sure Sam knows them well. > > > > Sam, do you know Loren & Mae Cremeen Hackler of Paris/Lamar Point. Mae > > is a sister to my mother-in-law. > > Mae is very sick and will probably not last much longer. They have > > stopped all foods and upped the morphine to every 2 hours. Mae's twice > > sister Faye married Glen Chesshir. > > Jim Giddens > > Paris, Tx > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <drew-slate@charter.net> > > To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 9:14 PM > > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Paradise > > > > > > > Thanks. After looking over the index of Red River Recollections I > figured > > > the spelling was different. It appeared to me that her name was > > misspelled > > > on the marriage license. > > > I did see the other name on the 1920 census and will have to look around > > in > > > it and the 1930. Of course, this would be 15 yrs after the marriage and > > her > > > family could be gone at that time. I really need to see if there is > > > anything in the 1900 census. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Drew Slate > > > Fort Worth, Tx > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "sam embrey" <sembrey@cox-internet.com> > > > To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 9:01 PM > > > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Paradise > > > > > > > > > > Sarah & Drew, I wanted to say something about the spelling of Cavenar, > > > > because of all the mail I handled in Red River County, I don't ever > > > remember > > > > seeing that name, and I see very few Red River County names that I did > > not > > > > see in one way or the other, however, there are many, many Cavenders > in > > > This > > > > area. The one that has the Western Wear Stores came from these > > Cavenders, > > > so > > > > you might give that a try. > > > > Sam > > > > Paris > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Sarah Ragsdill" <rags@koyote.com> > > > > To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 8:13 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Paradise > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drew, > > > > > > > > > > They are on the 1930 census Prec. 4, also you might check the > spelling > > > on > > > > > Cavenar there are Cavnar's in Red River County. > > > > > > > > > > Sarah > > > > > Sulphur Springs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: <drew-slate@charter.net> > > > > > To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 11:41 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Paradise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello again, > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, our great friends the Dales have come through again for me. > > I > > > > have > > > > > > the marriage record of Alonzo and Willie, but don't know the > family > > > name > > > > > of > > > > > > Willie. > > > > > > > > > > > > Alonzo Paradise married Willie Cavenar on 24 NMay 1904 in RRCo > TX > > > Book > > > > L > > > > > > pqge 110 > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyone ever come across the name CAVENAR in Red River before? I > did > > a > > > > > > search on the website and got nothing. I haven't looked in > > > > > RRRecollections > > > > > > yet. There are none listed in the 1920 census either. I haven't > > > > checked > > > > > > the 1910 yet. > > > > > > > > > > > > I appreciate any help or leads. > > > > > > > > > > > > Drew Slate > > > > > > Fort Worth, Tx > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: <drew-slate@charter.net> > > > > > > To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 10:37 PM > > > > > > Subject: [TXREDRIV] Paradise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Glad to hear everyone is still ok and staying warm. I will be > > > > praying > > > > > > for ya Sam and your speedy recovery. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Got a question for everyone. Anyone related to or researched > the > > > > > surname > > > > > > Paradise? I am specifically looking for information on the > Paradise > > > > > > brothers(3 of them) and their families in Bagwell from about > > > 1900-1930. > > > > > One > > > > > > of the brothers, AF or "Boss" was married to a lady named Willie. > > > This > > > > > > family was two doors down from my grandparents in 1920 and Boss' > > > brother > > > > > JT > > > > > > was next door to my GUncle William H Love. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have reason to believe that Willie is a sister of some kind > to > > my > > > > > > grandfather Slate. I am not sure what the connection is but need > to > > > > find > > > > > > out more about her and her maiden family. Any help would be > > > > appreciated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drew Slate > > > > > > > Fort Worth, Tx > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > > > > records, > > > > > > go to: > > > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > > > records, > > > > > go to: > > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > > records, > > > > go to: > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > records, > > > go to: > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, > > go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > -.-Spam and virus filtered by modusMail using Norman virus engine.-.- > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Yes Jim, I remember those Cavenders in Fulbright well, as well as many other Cavenders. In fact, one of those girls from Fulbright lives out there in Reno now. I also know Mae and Loren, as well as their kids. The day you and I ate lunch together, we were close to Mae's house, and if we had time, I was going to take you by there. I worked with her at Paris some after they came up here from Fulbright, and loved her like my own sister. One of our domonio players lives there by Mae and Loren, and keeps me informed about her health. Also, their son-in-law preaches out there at Reno. When we have a chance, I have a " book " of little funnies about Mae when we worked together, that I will share with you. She is my friend, and I am so sorry to hear about her health. Sam Paris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Giddens" <jimg@cox-internet.com> To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 10:22 PM Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Paradise > I remember a Cavender family at Fulbright when I was dating my wife Sue > (from Fulbright). I am sure Sam knows them well. > > Sam, do you know Loren & Mae Cremeen Hackler of Paris/Lamar Point. Mae > is a sister to my mother-in-law. > Mae is very sick and will probably not last much longer. They have > stopped all foods and upped the morphine to every 2 hours. Mae's twice > sister Faye married Glen Chesshir. > Jim Giddens > Paris, Tx > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <drew-slate@charter.net> > To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 9:14 PM > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Paradise > > > > Thanks. After looking over the index of Red River Recollections I figured > > the spelling was different. It appeared to me that her name was > misspelled > > on the marriage license. > > I did see the other name on the 1920 census and will have to look around > in > > it and the 1930. Of course, this would be 15 yrs after the marriage and > her > > family could be gone at that time. I really need to see if there is > > anything in the 1900 census. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Drew Slate > > Fort Worth, Tx > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "sam embrey" <sembrey@cox-internet.com> > > To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 9:01 PM > > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Paradise > > > > > > > Sarah & Drew, I wanted to say something about the spelling of Cavenar, > > > because of all the mail I handled in Red River County, I don't ever > > remember > > > seeing that name, and I see very few Red River County names that I did > not > > > see in one way or the other, however, there are many, many Cavenders in > > This > > > area. The one that has the Western Wear Stores came from these > Cavenders, > > so > > > you might give that a try. > > > Sam > > > Paris > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Sarah Ragsdill" <rags@koyote.com> > > > To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 8:13 PM > > > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Paradise > > > > > > > > > > Drew, > > > > > > > > They are on the 1930 census Prec. 4, also you might check the spelling > > on > > > > Cavenar there are Cavnar's in Red River County. > > > > > > > > Sarah > > > > Sulphur Springs > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: <drew-slate@charter.net> > > > > To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 11:41 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Paradise > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello again, > > > > > > > > > > Well, our great friends the Dales have come through again for me. > I > > > have > > > > > the marriage record of Alonzo and Willie, but don't know the family > > name > > > > of > > > > > Willie. > > > > > > > > > > Alonzo Paradise married Willie Cavenar on 24 NMay 1904 in RRCo TX > > Book > > > L > > > > > pqge 110 > > > > > > > > > > Anyone ever come across the name CAVENAR in Red River before? I did > a > > > > > search on the website and got nothing. I haven't looked in > > > > RRRecollections > > > > > yet. There are none listed in the 1920 census either. I haven't > > > checked > > > > > the 1910 yet. > > > > > > > > > > I appreciate any help or leads. > > > > > > > > > > Drew Slate > > > > > Fort Worth, Tx > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: <drew-slate@charter.net> > > > > > To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 10:37 PM > > > > > Subject: [TXREDRIV] Paradise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello all, > > > > > > > > > > > > Glad to hear everyone is still ok and staying warm. I will be > > > praying > > > > > for ya Sam and your speedy recovery. > > > > > > > > > > > > Got a question for everyone. Anyone related to or researched the > > > > surname > > > > > Paradise? I am specifically looking for information on the Paradise > > > > > brothers(3 of them) and their families in Bagwell from about > > 1900-1930. > > > > One > > > > > of the brothers, AF or "Boss" was married to a lady named Willie. > > This > > > > > family was two doors down from my grandparents in 1920 and Boss' > > brother > > > > JT > > > > > was next door to my GUncle William H Love. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have reason to believe that Willie is a sister of some kind to > my > > > > > grandfather Slate. I am not sure what the connection is but need to > > > find > > > > > out more about her and her maiden family. Any help would be > > > appreciated. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > Drew Slate > > > > > > Fort Worth, Tx > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > > > records, > > > > > go to: > > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > > records, > > > > go to: > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > records, > > > go to: > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, > > go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Jim, I do not understand the term "twice" sister. Were they double cousins? Mary/Aransas Pass/TX ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Giddens" <jimg@cox-internet.com> To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 10:22 PM Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Paradise > I remember a Cavender family at Fulbright when I was dating my wife Sue > (from Fulbright). I am sure Sam knows them well. > > Sam, do you know Loren & Mae Cremeen Hackler of Paris/Lamar Point. Mae > is a sister to my mother-in-law. > Mae is very sick and will probably not last much longer. They have > stopped all foods and upped the morphine to every 2 hours. Mae's twice > sister Faye married Glen Chesshir. > Jim Giddens > Paris, Tx > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <drew-slate@charter.net> > To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 9:14 PM > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Paradise > > > > Thanks. After looking over the index of Red River Recollections I figured > > the spelling was different. It appeared to me that her name was > misspelled > > on the marriage license. > > I did see the other name on the 1920 census and will have to look around > in > > it and the 1930. Of course, this would be 15 yrs after the marriage and > her > > family could be gone at that time. I really need to see if there is > > anything in the 1900 census. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Drew Slate > > Fort Worth, Tx > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "sam embrey" <sembrey@cox-internet.com> > > To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 9:01 PM > > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Paradise > > > > > > > Sarah & Drew, I wanted to say something about the spelling of Cavenar, > > > because of all the mail I handled in Red River County, I don't ever > > remember > > > seeing that name, and I see very few Red River County names that I did > not > > > see in one way or the other, however, there are many, many Cavenders in > > This > > > area. The one that has the Western Wear Stores came from these > Cavenders, > > so > > > you might give that a try. > > > Sam > > > Paris > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Sarah Ragsdill" <rags@koyote.com> > > > To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 8:13 PM > > > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Paradise > > > > > > > > > > Drew, > > > > > > > > They are on the 1930 census Prec. 4, also you might check the spelling > > on > > > > Cavenar there are Cavnar's in Red River County. > > > > > > > > Sarah > > > > Sulphur Springs > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: <drew-slate@charter.net> > > > > To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 11:41 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Paradise > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello again, > > > > > > > > > > Well, our great friends the Dales have come through again for me. > I > > > have > > > > > the marriage record of Alonzo and Willie, but don't know the family > > name > > > > of > > > > > Willie. > > > > > > > > > > Alonzo Paradise married Willie Cavenar on 24 NMay 1904 in RRCo TX > > Book > > > L > > > > > pqge 110 > > > > > > > > > > Anyone ever come across the name CAVENAR in Red River before? I did > a > > > > > search on the website and got nothing. I haven't looked in > > > > RRRecollections > > > > > yet. There are none listed in the 1920 census either. I haven't > > > checked > > > > > the 1910 yet. > > > > > > > > > > I appreciate any help or leads. > > > > > > > > > > Drew Slate > > > > > Fort Worth, Tx > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: <drew-slate@charter.net> > > > > > To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 10:37 PM > > > > > Subject: [TXREDRIV] Paradise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello all, > > > > > > > > > > > > Glad to hear everyone is still ok and staying warm. I will be > > > praying > > > > > for ya Sam and your speedy recovery. > > > > > > > > > > > > Got a question for everyone. Anyone related to or researched the > > > > surname > > > > > Paradise? I am specifically looking for information on the Paradise > > > > > brothers(3 of them) and their families in Bagwell from about > > 1900-1930. > > > > One > > > > > of the brothers, AF or "Boss" was married to a lady named Willie. > > This > > > > > family was two doors down from my grandparents in 1920 and Boss' > > brother > > > > JT > > > > > was next door to my GUncle William H Love. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have reason to believe that Willie is a sister of some kind to > my > > > > > grandfather Slate. I am not sure what the connection is but need to > > > find > > > > > out more about her and her maiden family. Any help would be > > > appreciated. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > Drew Slate > > > > > > Fort Worth, Tx > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > > > records, > > > > > go to: > > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > > records, > > > > go to: > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > records, > > > go to: > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, > > go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > -.-Spam and virus filtered by modusMail using Norman virus engine.-.-