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    1. [TXREDRIV] Shiloh/McCarley
    2. mbwallis
    3. I just read from Red River Co., Tx list, a Diane Miller had some very interesting facts that might help me in my research. I know that John Ware and wife Ann (McCarley) owned the land that the old Shiloh cemetery is on. At least I believe they did. Her brother G. W. McCarley owned land next to them and Ezekiel P. Wallis and wife Sarah (McCarley) adjoined land with each of them. Somewhere about 1838 or 1839 were the dates of owning the land. I have been looking for any McCarley's who are a part of this family. They came from Pope Co., Arkansas before entering Texas. Before Arkansas they were in Morgan Co., Alabama. I was lucky enough to find Ulisses Ware, son of John and Ann, just the other day, in the 1870 Census in Little River Co., Ark. with a 12 year old son John. If anyone has any information about any of these three families, I would appreciate hearing from you. Ezekiel P. and Sarah (McCarley) Wallis are buried in Stone Chapel cemetery, Cherry Community. Barb

    03/08/2003 08:44:56
    1. [TXREDRIV] 61st Anniversary
    2. Jim Giddens
    3. This weeks Clarksville Times also has a picture of my wife's parents, John and Dorothy Townes, wishing them a Happy 61 st Wedding Anniversary. I almost overlooked it. The picture was taken this past Christmas with John dressed up in his Sunday Coveralls. Jim Giddens Paris, Tx

    03/08/2003 02:53:55
    1. Re: [TXREDRIV] Re: Cemetery
    2. Diane Miller
    3. Jim, thank you so much for all your efforts and time on this matter. A bell went off in my head when you mentioned the dedication in 1982. My mother attended the 100 year celebration of the church. She gave me a copy of the history of the church they received at the celebration as well as copies of the deeds where Rebecca Wilson and P. W. Igo and S. C. Igo each gave land to build the new church. I had it filed in my McCarley papers because L.W. McCarley (Nora Alice McCarley Bledsoe was Walter Wm. Bledsoe's wife) was a trustee of the church and signed the papers. I had forgotten about it. It history is 3 typed pages and reads in part: " The Shiloh Cumberland Presbyterian Church, Clarksville, Texas 1883 - 1984" Parts of it read.." The first Cumberland Presbyterian Church organized in Texas was the Shiloh Church....The first presbytery was organized November 27, 1837. ...Rev. A. R. Roark was ordered by presbytery to form a circuit between the Red River and the Sulfur Fork to form a Circuit between Clarksville Circuit. The original Shiloh Church was organized about six miles and a little northwest from where the town of Clarksville stands. It was believed to have been named Shiloh in honor of the Shiloh Church in Carroll county, Tennessee, near McKenzie, from which some of the members in Texas had come. .... Other early-day members connected with the Church were the Dinwiddlies, who came from the old Shiloh church in Tennessee, the Fultons and the Bledsoes. The present Shiloh Church, of course, has been moved from the original site, but according to tradition, the original Shiloh congregation has always conducted services and had services thought the years. ....Present members of the Church are descendants of the original settlers and founders of the Church. In closing, I want to share with you in this brief history a poem written by J. H. Darnel of TexarkanaTexas. This was first shared with the folks here June 04, 1983 at the 100th anniversary of the founding of Shiloh Church, This poem is entitled " At Shiloh".Parks McCullah, Pastor. If anyone has an interest, I will be happy to type the whole thing out as it does give the names of , Rev. Milton Estill, Rev. Sumner Bacon, Rev. Mitchell Smith, rev. Amos Roark, Bro. Milton Estill, Rev. Smith Clark, Watson family, the Latimers, the Ellises, Richard Ellis, Robert Hamilton and Albert Hamilton Latimer (these last three signed the Texas Declaration of Independence in 1836(, Rev. Samuel Corley, Rev. Johnson, Rev. Matlock, Mrs. Bessie C. Morris, Mrs. Mabelle Robison, Mrs. Ada Slayton, Rev. Norman Shelton. Deed record hasthe names: Rebecca Wilson, L.W. Smith, L. W. Larimer, Wm. Fulton. P. W. Igo, S. C. Igo, Please excuse my typing but if I make a correction I have retype everything from the correction. I promise if anyone wants a copy in its entirety, it will be typed a little better at least. I think I have finally figuredthis out with everyone's help. Thank all or you for your help, especially Jim. Tom could the family referred to as "the Watsons" be your family? Diane Miller From: "Jim Giddens" <jimg@cox-internet.com> To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 4:56 PM Subject: [TXREDRIV] Re: Cemetery > Diane, > I am not sure of the exact name of the Church at Madras. I will check it out. It may be Cumberland Presbyterian Church. I feel Shiloh is reserved to the area of the Old Cemetery about 2 miles west of Madras, but I could be wrong. I just tried to call Gillie Quick that lives across the road from the Madras Cemetery/Church but no answer. I will try later. I am sure she can clear it up for us. It does seem clear the church you went to was at Madras. The one at Shiloh moved to Clarksville in the mid 1850s. > According to Bessie W Strickland in the RR Recollections book, the Madras Cemetery land was purchased in 1892 from the P.H. & S.C. Igo.. In 1924 ladies formed the Madras Cemetery Society. Cemetery was enclosed with a cyclone fence in 1959. In 1970, a perpetual care fund was set up my membe rs for the care of the cemetery in the future. A large arch was installed over the cemetery gate fwhich reads "Madras Cemetery". This was made possible by a donation from a member. A plaque donated anonymously was installed on the arch post. The dedication was held in 1982. (I do not know if the arch gate was build in 1970 or 1982). > Jim Giddens > Paris,Tx > p.s. I original was replying only to Diane, but due to the length of information I decided to send it to the group as a point of interest. > > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

    03/07/2003 03:32:13
    1. [TXREDRIV] Re: Cemetery
    2. Jim Giddens
    3. Diane, I am not sure of the exact name of the Church at Madras. I will check it out. It may be Cumberland Presbyterian Church. I feel Shiloh is reserved to the area of the Old Cemetery about 2 miles west of Madras, but I could be wrong. I just tried to call Gillie Quick that lives across the road from the Madras Cemetery/Church but no answer. I will try later. I am sure she can clear it up for us. It does seem clear the church you went to was at Madras. The one at Shiloh moved to Clarksville in the mid 1850s. According to Bessie W Strickland in the RR Recollections book, the Madras Cemetery land was purchased in 1892 from the P.H. & S.C. Igo.. In 1924 ladies formed the Madras Cemetery Society. Cemetery was enclosed with a cyclone fence in 1959. In 1970, a perpetual care fund was set up my members for the care of the cemetery in the future. A large arch was installed over the cemetery gate fwhich reads "Madras Cemetery". This was made possible by a donation from a member. A plaque donated anonymously was installed on the arch post. The dedication was held in 1982. (I do not know if the arch gate was build in 1970 or 1982). Jim Giddens Paris,Tx p.s. I original was replying only to Diane, but due to the length of information I decided to send it to the group as a point of interest.

    03/07/2003 09:56:32
    1. Re: [TXREDRIV] Madras Cemetery/Old Shiloh Cem.
    2. Jim Giddens
    3. I have a distant cousin Hollis Giddens that lives in Mesquite. I know of him but don't think I have ever met him. I think we did bump into each other at the Mesquite Oprey (country) about 10 years ago. Jim Giddens Paris, Tx ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Watson DDS" <tom_watson_dds@hotmail.com> To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 2:26 AM Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Madras Cemetery/Old Shiloh Cem. > Diane, > It is a small world. Jim lived and worked in Mesquite area for about 18 > years also. There are others on this site from that area also. > You mentioned the Truss family (including Robina Watson Truss) coming from > Alabama. My GGrandfather,Frank Wade Watson, and Jim's GGrandfather,Charlie > Hurst Watson, were both born in Ala. then their family moved to Red River > County. Jim, we may have another cousin! > As you have probably read,I was all wrong about the Madras Cemetery info. > I wrote earlier. > Tom > Heath,TX > > > > > > > > >From: "Diane Miller" <dianermiller@cox-internet.com> > >Reply-To: TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com > >To: TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Madras Cemetery/Old Shiloh Cem. > >Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 12:21:41 -0600 > > > >Tom, it is a small world. My mother lives in Mesquite and worked for > >dentists all her working life. I was born and raised in Garland. I am > >still > >confused. My mom still swears the Bledsoe graves are at the Old Shiloh > >Church. You saw them twice recently, yet Jim says that Mardras and Old > >Shiloh are not the same cemeteries. The cemetery listings show my Bledsoes, > >at least, at Madras > >Cemetery. Am I missing something here? > > > >I just checked my data base. I only have one Watson, a Robina Watson. She > >married Samuel Mansfield Truss b. 1856. They had one son Nash Phillips > >Truss > >b. in MS. Just to make it a smaller world. The Truss family moved from Ala. > >to Ms. to Mesquite, Texas. They were founding pioneers in Mesquite and are > >well known in genealogy cirlcles in Mesquite. I am from the Truss/Riggs > >families of Mesquite. > >Thanks for responding. > >Diane > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Tom Watson DDS" <tom_watson_dds@hotmail.com> > >To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 8:32 AM > >Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Madras Cemetery/Old Shiloh Cem. > > > > > > > Diane, > > > I visited The Old Shiloh Cemetery twice recently with Jim and we saw a > >lot > > > of Bledsoe family graves there.I have practiced Dentistry in Mesquite > >and > > > have treated the George Bledsoe family for several years.They are a > > > wonderful family.George died about ten years ago and he is buried > >there.His > > > wife, Bernice, has remarried and lives in the Madras area now. In > >looking > > > back at census records,it appears that the bledsoe family lived next to > >my > > > Watsons back in 1880. > > > Tom > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Diane Miller" <dianermiller@cox-internet.com> > > > >Reply-To: TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com > > > >To: TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com > > > >Subject: [TXREDRIV] Madras Cemetery/Old Shiloh Cem. > > > >Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 12:48:55 -0600 > > > > > > > >I am a new member to this list and I am a descendant of the Ballard > >Gates > > > >Beldsoe family of Clarksville. I have alot of information, pictures and > > > >stories on the Blesoe family. They came to Red River Co. in 1861. If > >any > >of > > > >you are researching this family, please contact me. > > > >I do have a question. The Bledsoe's are buried in the Madras Cemetery, > > > >Ollie Bledsoe was a charter member. My mother says she remembers going > >to > > > >an anniversary celebration for the Old Shiloh Church and you could sit > >in > > > >the old church and look out at the graves. Is the Madras Cemetery and > >the > > > >Old Shiloh Church Cemetery the same place? > > > > > > > >Thank You > > > >Diane Miller > > > > > > > > > > > >==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >============================== > > > >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > >records, > > > >go to: > > > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. 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    03/07/2003 07:58:39
    1. Re: [TXREDRIV] Historian ?
    2. sam embrey
    3. This came to me. Sam Paris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bonnie Shiro" <bon_yelle@hotmail.com> To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 8:33 AM Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Historian ? > Hi,Jimmy. Sounds good to me. Talk to you later,Mr. Giddens. LOL.Bonnie > > > > > > > >From: "Jim Giddens" <jimg@cox-internet.com> > >Reply-To: TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com > >To: TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: [TXREDRIV] Historian ? > >Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 22:56:58 -0600 > > > >I e-mailed the 1900 picture of White Rock Community's baseball team to the > >Clarksville Times. > >Ben put it in this week Clarksville Times and said it was sent to them my > >"historian Jimmy Giddens". Wow, I wonder if I get a raise. You > >know he has known me since high school when he calls me Jimmy. Include > >it the pictures is my grandfather Marion Giddens and his brother James > >(Jim) A. Giddens. If anyone wants to see the picture, Cynthia has > >posted it on the Web site under "See What's New". > > > >Jim Giddens > >Paris, Tx > > > > > >==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > >============================== > >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > >go to: > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > Visit Red River County GenWeb site http://www.rootsweb.com/~txredriv > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

    03/07/2003 02:19:38
    1. Re: [TXREDRIV] Historian ?
    2. Bonnie Shiro
    3. Hi,Jimmy. Sounds good to me. Talk to you later,Mr. Giddens. LOL.Bonnie >From: "Jim Giddens" <jimg@cox-internet.com> >Reply-To: TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com >To: TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [TXREDRIV] Historian ? >Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 22:56:58 -0600 > >I e-mailed the 1900 picture of White Rock Community's baseball team to the >Clarksville Times. >Ben put it in this week Clarksville Times and said it was sent to them my >"historian Jimmy Giddens". Wow, I wonder if I get a raise. You >know he has known me since high school when he calls me Jimmy. Include >it the pictures is my grandfather Marion Giddens and his brother James >(Jim) A. Giddens. If anyone wants to see the picture, Cynthia has >posted it on the Web site under "See What's New". > >Jim Giddens >Paris, Tx > > >==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

    03/07/2003 01:33:48
    1. Re: [TXREDRIV] Madras Cemetery/Old Shiloh Cem.
    2. Tom Watson DDS
    3. Diane, It is a small world. Jim lived and worked in Mesquite area for about 18 years also. There are others on this site from that area also. You mentioned the Truss family (including Robina Watson Truss) coming from Alabama. My GGrandfather,Frank Wade Watson, and Jim's GGrandfather,Charlie Hurst Watson, were both born in Ala. then their family moved to Red River County. Jim, we may have another cousin! As you have probably read,I was all wrong about the Madras Cemetery info. I wrote earlier. Tom Heath,TX >From: "Diane Miller" <dianermiller@cox-internet.com> >Reply-To: TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com >To: TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Madras Cemetery/Old Shiloh Cem. >Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 12:21:41 -0600 > >Tom, it is a small world. My mother lives in Mesquite and worked for >dentists all her working life. I was born and raised in Garland. I am >still >confused. My mom still swears the Bledsoe graves are at the Old Shiloh >Church. You saw them twice recently, yet Jim says that Mardras and Old >Shiloh are not the same cemeteries. The cemetery listings show my Bledsoes, >at least, at Madras >Cemetery. Am I missing something here? > >I just checked my data base. I only have one Watson, a Robina Watson. She >married Samuel Mansfield Truss b. 1856. They had one son Nash Phillips >Truss >b. in MS. Just to make it a smaller world. The Truss family moved from Ala. >to Ms. to Mesquite, Texas. They were founding pioneers in Mesquite and are >well known in genealogy cirlcles in Mesquite. I am from the Truss/Riggs >families of Mesquite. >Thanks for responding. >Diane >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Tom Watson DDS" <tom_watson_dds@hotmail.com> >To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 8:32 AM >Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Madras Cemetery/Old Shiloh Cem. > > > > Diane, > > I visited The Old Shiloh Cemetery twice recently with Jim and we saw a >lot > > of Bledsoe family graves there.I have practiced Dentistry in Mesquite >and > > have treated the George Bledsoe family for several years.They are a > > wonderful family.George died about ten years ago and he is buried >there.His > > wife, Bernice, has remarried and lives in the Madras area now. In >looking > > back at census records,it appears that the bledsoe family lived next to >my > > Watsons back in 1880. > > Tom > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Diane Miller" <dianermiller@cox-internet.com> > > >Reply-To: TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com > > >To: TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com > > >Subject: [TXREDRIV] Madras Cemetery/Old Shiloh Cem. > > >Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 12:48:55 -0600 > > > > > >I am a new member to this list and I am a descendant of the Ballard >Gates > > >Beldsoe family of Clarksville. I have alot of information, pictures and > > >stories on the Blesoe family. They came to Red River Co. in 1861. If >any >of > > >you are researching this family, please contact me. > > >I do have a question. The Bledsoe's are buried in the Madras Cemetery, > > >Ollie Bledsoe was a charter member. My mother says she remembers going >to > > >an anniversary celebration for the Old Shiloh Church and you could sit >in > > >the old church and look out at the graves. Is the Madras Cemetery and >the > > >Old Shiloh Church Cemetery the same place? > > > > > >Thank You > > >Diane Miller > > > > > > > > >==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > > > > >============================== > > >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy >records, > > >go to: > > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > > > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy >records, >go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > >==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

    03/06/2003 07:26:32
    1. Re: [TXREDRIV] Historian ?
    2. Tom Watson DDS
    3. JimmyG, I Think the title "Historian" Fits real good. I think we could also add to your title and call you Doctor Giddens. The word Doctor actually means "A learned person:Doctor". You have as much or more knowledge than anyone I know about Red River County and are good enough to share it with us all as a good teacher should.So.....DR JimmyG "WAY TO GO!!!". Tom Heath,TX >From: "Jim Giddens" <jimg@cox-internet.com> >Reply-To: TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com >To: TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [TXREDRIV] Historian ? >Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 22:56:58 -0600 > >I e-mailed the 1900 picture of White Rock Community's baseball team to the >Clarksville Times. >Ben put it in this week Clarksville Times and said it was sent to them my >"historian Jimmy Giddens". Wow, I wonder if I get a raise. You >know he has known me since high school when he calls me Jimmy. Include >it the pictures is my grandfather Marion Giddens and his brother James >(Jim) A. Giddens. If anyone wants to see the picture, Cynthia has >posted it on the Web site under "See What's New". > >Jim Giddens >Paris, Tx > > >==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail

    03/06/2003 07:00:00
    1. [TXREDRIV] Historian ?
    2. Jim Giddens
    3. I e-mailed the 1900 picture of White Rock Community's baseball team to the Clarksville Times. Ben put it in this week Clarksville Times and said it was sent to them my "historian Jimmy Giddens". Wow, I wonder if I get a raise. You know he has known me since high school when he calls me Jimmy. Include it the pictures is my grandfather Marion Giddens and his brother James (Jim) A. Giddens. If anyone wants to see the picture, Cynthia has posted it on the Web site under "See What's New". Jim Giddens Paris, Tx

    03/06/2003 03:56:58
    1. [TXREDRIV] Confusion on Cemetery & Churches
    2. Jim Giddens
    3. Madras Cemetery is at Madras behind the Presbyterian Church on FM 1700. I have said earlier that the Presbyterian Church at Shiloh moved to Madras and then to Clarksville. After going over it, it may well be that the church at Shiloh (Old Shiloh) CR3202 moved straight to Clarksville. The Madras Presbyterian church was started at some point, I am not sure just when, but I will be looking into it more. RR Recollections says First United Presbyterian Church was organized at Old Shiloh in 1833 and was moved to Clarksville in 1858. Jim Giddens Paris, Tx

    03/06/2003 03:50:05
    1. Re: [TXREDRIV] Madras Cemetery/Old Shiloh Cem.
    2. Hi, Maybe this will help clear it up..... <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~txredriv/madras.html">Madras Cemetery, NE</A> From Clarksville take FM 1159 for about 3 miles to the intersection with FM 1700. Turn east or right onto FM 1700 and go 2.9 miles to CR 3205. Turn right and Shiloh Church and the Madras Cemetery is ahead. The Cumberland Presbyterian Church was first organized at Shiloh then moved to Madras about 1892. A deed dated 28 Mar 1892 and filed for record on 28 May 1892 in Book CH Vol 23 page 360 conveyed 'a tract of the Finley Moore survey' from P. H. Igo et ux to Shiloh Cemetery-Madras. The oldest marked grave is that of Charles R. Dinwiddie who died 3 Jul 1862 Old Shiloh Cemetery, NE Take 1159 north for 3.4 miles to the intersection with CR 3202. Then take CR 3202 east or right for 1.1 miles. The cemetery is on the right and is well marked. The cemetery is a part of the S. F. Moore headright survey. The oldest marked burial is that of Mary S. Bagby who died 25 Apr 1836. It was closed for burials in about 1890-1900. There is a deed dated 20 Apr 1901 and filed for record on 22 Apr 1901 conveying 'tract William Wheat survey' from Leopald Silberburg to Old Shiloh Cemetery Association as recorded in Book CH 41 page 164. Then on 6 Jul 1901, instrunent and file date, a release of lein from Red River National Bank to Old Shiloh Cemetery Association as recorder in Book CH 38 page 155. Due to the usage of the name 'Shiloh' by the media in reference to funeral services at Shiloh Cumberland Presbyterian Church and then adding 'with burial there', we have elected to use the name on the entrance to the old cemetery. Carol Tyler Scarborough China Spring, Texas

    03/06/2003 09:47:59
    1. Re: [TXREDRIV] Madras Cemetery/Old Shiloh Cem.
    2. Diane Miller
    3. Carol, thank you very much I think my fog has finally cleared. Diane Miller ----- Original Message ----- From: <Shewulf82@aol.com> To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 3:47 PM Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Madras Cemetery/Old Shiloh Cem. > Hi, > Maybe this will help clear it up..... > > <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~txredriv/madras.html">Madras Cemetery, NE</A> From Clarksville take FM 1159 for about 3 miles to the > intersection with FM 1700. Turn east or right onto FM 1700 and go 2.9 miles > to CR 3205. Turn right and Shiloh Church and the Madras Cemetery is ahead. > The Cumberland Presbyterian Church was first organized at Shiloh then moved > to Madras about 1892. A deed dated 28 Mar 1892 and filed for record on 28 May > 1892 in Book CH Vol 23 page 360 conveyed 'a tract of the Finley Moore survey' > from P. H. Igo et ux to Shiloh Cemetery-Madras. The oldest marked grave is > that of Charles R. Dinwiddie who died 3 Jul 1862 > > Old Shiloh Cemetery, NE Take 1159 north for 3.4 miles to the intersection > with CR 3202. Then take CR 3202 east or right for 1.1 miles. The cemetery is > on the right and is well marked. The cemetery is a part of the S. F. Moore > headright survey. The oldest marked burial is that of Mary S. Bagby who died > 25 Apr 1836. It was closed for burials in about 1890-1900. There is a deed > dated 20 Apr 1901 and filed for record on 22 Apr 1901 conveying 'tract > William Wheat survey' from Leopald Silberburg to Old Shiloh Cemetery > Association as recorded in Book CH 41 page 164. Then on 6 Jul 1901, > instrunent and file date, a release of lein from Red River National Bank to > Old Shiloh Cemetery Association as recorder in Book CH 38 page 155. Due to > the usage of the name 'Shiloh' by the media in reference to funeral services > at Shiloh Cumberland Presbyterian Church and then adding 'with burial there', > we have elected to use the name on the entrance to the old cemetery. > > Carol Tyler Scarborough > China Spring, Texas > > > > > > > > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

    03/06/2003 09:02:35
    1. Re: [TXREDRIV] Madras Cemetery/Old Shiloh Cem.
    2. Diane Miller
    3. Tom, it is a small world. My mother lives in Mesquite and worked for dentists all her working life. I was born and raised in Garland. I am still confused. My mom still swears the Bledsoe graves are at the Old Shiloh Church. You saw them twice recently, yet Jim says that Mardras and Old Shiloh are not the same cemeteries. The cemetery listings show my Bledsoes, at least, at Madras Cemetery. Am I missing something here? I just checked my data base. I only have one Watson, a Robina Watson. She married Samuel Mansfield Truss b. 1856. They had one son Nash Phillips Truss b. in MS. Just to make it a smaller world. The Truss family moved from Ala. to Ms. to Mesquite, Texas. They were founding pioneers in Mesquite and are well known in genealogy cirlcles in Mesquite. I am from the Truss/Riggs families of Mesquite. Thanks for responding. Diane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Watson DDS" <tom_watson_dds@hotmail.com> To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 8:32 AM Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Madras Cemetery/Old Shiloh Cem. > Diane, > I visited The Old Shiloh Cemetery twice recently with Jim and we saw a lot > of Bledsoe family graves there.I have practiced Dentistry in Mesquite and > have treated the George Bledsoe family for several years.They are a > wonderful family.George died about ten years ago and he is buried there.His > wife, Bernice, has remarried and lives in the Madras area now. In looking > back at census records,it appears that the bledsoe family lived next to my > Watsons back in 1880. > Tom > > > > > > > >From: "Diane Miller" <dianermiller@cox-internet.com> > >Reply-To: TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com > >To: TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: [TXREDRIV] Madras Cemetery/Old Shiloh Cem. > >Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 12:48:55 -0600 > > > >I am a new member to this list and I am a descendant of the Ballard Gates > >Beldsoe family of Clarksville. I have alot of information, pictures and > >stories on the Blesoe family. They came to Red River Co. in 1861. If any of > >you are researching this family, please contact me. > >I do have a question. The Bledsoe's are buried in the Madras Cemetery, > >Ollie Bledsoe was a charter member. My mother says she remembers going to > >an anniversary celebration for the Old Shiloh Church and you could sit in > >the old church and look out at the graves. Is the Madras Cemetery and the > >Old Shiloh Church Cemetery the same place? > > > >Thank You > >Diane Miller > > > > > >==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > >============================== > >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > >go to: > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

    03/06/2003 05:21:41
    1. Re: [TXREDRIV] Madras Cemetery/Old Shiloh Cem.
    2. Tom Watson DDS
    3. Diane, I visited The Old Shiloh Cemetery twice recently with Jim and we saw a lot of Bledsoe family graves there.I have practiced Dentistry in Mesquite and have treated the George Bledsoe family for several years.They are a wonderful family.George died about ten years ago and he is buried there.His wife, Bernice, has remarried and lives in the Madras area now. In looking back at census records,it appears that the bledsoe family lived next to my Watsons back in 1880. Tom >From: "Diane Miller" <dianermiller@cox-internet.com> >Reply-To: TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com >To: TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [TXREDRIV] Madras Cemetery/Old Shiloh Cem. >Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 12:48:55 -0600 > >I am a new member to this list and I am a descendant of the Ballard Gates >Beldsoe family of Clarksville. I have alot of information, pictures and >stories on the Blesoe family. They came to Red River Co. in 1861. If any of >you are researching this family, please contact me. >I do have a question. The Bledsoe's are buried in the Madras Cemetery, >Ollie Bledsoe was a charter member. My mother says she remembers going to >an anniversary celebration for the Old Shiloh Church and you could sit in >the old church and look out at the graves. Is the Madras Cemetery and the >Old Shiloh Church Cemetery the same place? > >Thank You >Diane Miller > > >==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

    03/06/2003 01:32:53
    1. Re: [TXREDRIV] Madras Cemetery/Old Shiloh Cem.
    2. Jim Giddens
    3. Diane, Bingo!! I found some of my notes. The people I know at Madras/Concord, Gillie Woods Quick and her Brother Bill Woods. Their parents are Marshall Lee Woods and Jessie Joe Bledsoe Woods. Jessie Joe (female) parents are Joe Bledsoe & Mary Barnett Bledsoe. My notes are fuzzy from this point, but John's father may have been Gilbert Porter Quick and his father may have been John Morgan Quick. It also seems in my fuzzy notes that Marshall Woods son, Joe Bledsoe married Mary Barnett. Now I know that a Isabelle Giddens married a William Martin Barnett. Isabelle was a sister to my G Grandfather William Jefferson Giddens, children of my GG GF Wiley William Giddens Bill Woods daughter Mary Jo married Bill McGill and live very close to Concord Cemetery, just past Madras. Another daughter, Barbara married Steve Champe (maybe). Well it is late and I must work a long day tomorrow. More later if I have something. Jim Giddens Paris, TX Gillie's husband was John Quick, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane Miller" <dianermiller@cox-internet.com> To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 10:00 PM Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Madras Cemetery/Old Shiloh Cem. > Jim thank you for the information. I not sure what it will take to convince > my mother she had her cemeteries mixed-up!! > I have one Woods: > Marshall Woods > + Jessie Bledsoe b. Feb 1897 (father, Joseph > Bledsoe 1870-bef.1900 mother, Mary L Barnett > 1873- > I have two Quicks: > Robert Joe ( Jack) Bledsoe, son of Edward and Rosie > Williams Bledsoe. > + Dollie Quick > son: John Edward Bledsoe > Richard Quick > + Lucille bledsoe 1861-1922, daug. of Walter Wm. and > his 3rd wife "Ollie" Olivia M. Leech Bledsoe. > Do any of these connect? > > Thanks Again > Diane > > > Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Giddens" <jimg@cox-internet.com> > To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 5:24 PM > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Madras Cemetery/Old Shiloh Cem. > > > > Diane Miller, > > I will get back to you with the little Bledsoe family connection I have > > later after I check my files. > > My Giddens family was at Concord Community/Cemetery about 2 miles east of > > Madras. > > Madras Cemetery and Old Shiloh are two different cemeteries. The old > > Shiloh Cemetery is about a mile or more northwest of Madras Cemetery. > I > > will check it all out later but from memory there was a Presbyterian > Church > > at the Old Shiloh location (the old cemetery is still there of course), > > then it move to the present location at Madras. > > To confuse this the Presbyterian Church in Clarksville was originally at > > Madras before it move to Clarksville.. > > This may be when the Shiloh Church more to Madras location where the > > Clarksville Church moved from. > > I have walked both of the cemeteries. Madras is extremely well kept, > the > > old Shiloh has a nice gate and a historical monument inside the gate, but > > it is not well kept. Someone must be mowing it from time to time > because > > it is weedy but not brushy, you can wall it all. From my old notes now, > > I see the monument dates the cemetery at 1833. > > Two old names in the cemetery are Latimer & Hamilton. > > Jim Giddens > > Paris/Clarksville, Tx > > p.s. I believe I will find my Bledsoe connect to the Bill Woods family > that > > lives today at Madras. Bill's > > sister, Gillie Woods Quick lives just across the road from the Madras > > Cemetery. He is in her 80s and is a jewel to visit with. She has lived > > there all her life. > > > > More later. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Diane Miller" <dianermiller@cox-internet.com> > > To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 12:48 PM > > Subject: [TXREDRIV] Madras Cemetery/Old Shiloh Cem. > > > > > > > I am a new member to this list and I am a descendant of the Ballard > Gates > > Beldsoe family of Clarksville. I have alot of information, pictures and > > stories on the Blesoe family. They came to Red River Co. in 1861. If any > of > > you are researching this family, please contact me. > > > I do have a question. The Bledsoe's are buried in the Madras Cemetery, > > Ollie Bledsoe was a charter member. My mother says she remembers going to > an > > anniversary celebration for the Old Shiloh Church and you could sit in the > > old church and look out at the graves. Is the Madras Cemetery and the Old > > Shiloh Church Cemetery the same place? > > > > > > Thank You > > > Diane Miller > > > > > > > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, > > go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > Visit Red River County GenWeb site http://www.rootsweb.com/~txredriv > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

    03/05/2003 03:43:08
    1. Re: [TXREDRIV] Madras Cemetery/Old Shiloh Cem.
    2. Diane Miller
    3. Jim thank you for the information. I not sure what it will take to convince my mother she had her cemeteries mixed-up!! I have one Woods: Marshall Woods + Jessie Bledsoe b. Feb 1897 (father, Joseph Bledsoe 1870-bef.1900 mother, Mary L Barnett 1873- I have two Quicks: Robert Joe ( Jack) Bledsoe, son of Edward and Rosie Williams Bledsoe. + Dollie Quick son: John Edward Bledsoe Richard Quick + Lucille bledsoe 1861-1922, daug. of Walter Wm. and his 3rd wife "Ollie" Olivia M. Leech Bledsoe. Do any of these connect? Thanks Again Diane Original Message ----- From: "Jim Giddens" <jimg@cox-internet.com> To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 5:24 PM Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Madras Cemetery/Old Shiloh Cem. > Diane Miller, > I will get back to you with the little Bledsoe family connection I have > later after I check my files. > My Giddens family was at Concord Community/Cemetery about 2 miles east of > Madras. > Madras Cemetery and Old Shiloh are two different cemeteries. The old > Shiloh Cemetery is about a mile or more northwest of Madras Cemetery. I > will check it all out later but from memory there was a Presbyterian Church > at the Old Shiloh location (the old cemetery is still there of course), > then it move to the present location at Madras. > To confuse this the Presbyterian Church in Clarksville was originally at > Madras before it move to Clarksville.. > This may be when the Shiloh Church more to Madras location where the > Clarksville Church moved from. > I have walked both of the cemeteries. Madras is extremely well kept, the > old Shiloh has a nice gate and a historical monument inside the gate, but > it is not well kept. Someone must be mowing it from time to time because > it is weedy but not brushy, you can wall it all. From my old notes now, > I see the monument dates the cemetery at 1833. > Two old names in the cemetery are Latimer & Hamilton. > Jim Giddens > Paris/Clarksville, Tx > p.s. I believe I will find my Bledsoe connect to the Bill Woods family that > lives today at Madras. Bill's > sister, Gillie Woods Quick lives just across the road from the Madras > Cemetery. He is in her 80s and is a jewel to visit with. She has lived > there all her life. > > More later. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Diane Miller" <dianermiller@cox-internet.com> > To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 12:48 PM > Subject: [TXREDRIV] Madras Cemetery/Old Shiloh Cem. > > > > I am a new member to this list and I am a descendant of the Ballard Gates > Beldsoe family of Clarksville. I have alot of information, pictures and > stories on the Blesoe family. They came to Red River Co. in 1861. If any of > you are researching this family, please contact me. > > I do have a question. The Bledsoe's are buried in the Madras Cemetery, > Ollie Bledsoe was a charter member. My mother says she remembers going to an > anniversary celebration for the Old Shiloh Church and you could sit in the > old church and look out at the graves. Is the Madras Cemetery and the Old > Shiloh Church Cemetery the same place? > > > > Thank You > > Diane Miller > > > > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > Visit Red River County GenWeb site http://www.rootsweb.com/~txredriv > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

    03/05/2003 03:00:24
    1. Re: [TXREDRIV] Madras Cemetery/Old Shiloh Cem.
    2. Jim Giddens
    3. Diane Miller, I will get back to you with the little Bledsoe family connection I have later after I check my files. My Giddens family was at Concord Community/Cemetery about 2 miles east of Madras. Madras Cemetery and Old Shiloh are two different cemeteries. The old Shiloh Cemetery is about a mile or more northwest of Madras Cemetery. I will check it all out later but from memory there was a Presbyterian Church at the Old Shiloh location (the old cemetery is still there of course), then it move to the present location at Madras. To confuse this the Presbyterian Church in Clarksville was originally at Madras before it move to Clarksville.. This may be when the Shiloh Church more to Madras location where the Clarksville Church moved from. I have walked both of the cemeteries. Madras is extremely well kept, the old Shiloh has a nice gate and a historical monument inside the gate, but it is not well kept. Someone must be mowing it from time to time because it is weedy but not brushy, you can wall it all. From my old notes now, I see the monument dates the cemetery at 1833. Two old names in the cemetery are Latimer & Hamilton. Jim Giddens Paris/Clarksville, Tx p.s. I believe I will find my Bledsoe connect to the Bill Woods family that lives today at Madras. Bill's sister, Gillie Woods Quick lives just across the road from the Madras Cemetery. He is in her 80s and is a jewel to visit with. She has lived there all her life. More later. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane Miller" <dianermiller@cox-internet.com> To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 12:48 PM Subject: [TXREDRIV] Madras Cemetery/Old Shiloh Cem. > I am a new member to this list and I am a descendant of the Ballard Gates Beldsoe family of Clarksville. I have alot of information, pictures and stories on the Blesoe family. They came to Red River Co. in 1861. If any of you are researching this family, please contact me. > I do have a question. The Bledsoe's are buried in the Madras Cemetery, Ollie Bledsoe was a charter member. My mother says she remembers going to an anniversary celebration for the Old Shiloh Church and you could sit in the old church and look out at the graves. Is the Madras Cemetery and the Old Shiloh Church Cemetery the same place? > > Thank You > Diane Miller > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

    03/05/2003 10:24:26
    1. Re: [TXREDRIV] Babies not born in Red River Co.
    2. jhowison
    3. Thanks, Sharon. This is almost certainly the basic fact. Probably there were no midwives at all -- I was solely conjecturing. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon Black" <black@1starnet.com> To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 1:18 PM Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Babies not born in Red River Co. > I think you are right about the Latino births, John, but some probably > were drop-in births at the hospital. (Women sometimes intentionally > waited until the last minute so they couldn't be transferred to Paris) > I was told of situations where the woman sat in the car in the parking > lot until the baby was crowning. I guess they just didn't want to go > to Paris, although they'd have gotten better care there from an OB > specialist instead of a general practitioner. Neither hospital could > turn them away just because they had no money. Many times these women > had no prenatal care, no insurance, and no money. > I remember the man you speak of bringing Mexican-speaking men, women, > and children who were injured to the emergency room. He always paid > their bill with cash. I know he had whole families living at his place > (in addition to single men) and he seemed to take responsibility for > their heath care. He served as interpreter when he brought someone to > the emergency room. > Sharon > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "jhowison" <jhowison@1starnet.com> > To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 8:27 AM > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Babies not born in Red River Co. > > > The Latino births may have been delivered by a midwife, possibly a > qualified > one. Back in the eighties, there was a Coyote who brought scores of > peons > he sort of rented out to landowners. He took care of his lendable > "slaves," > allegedly even importing prostitutes from Mexico to console them in > their > exile. Maybe midwivery was part of his care system. I think he is > no > longer in Red River County. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gene Phillips" <gnphllps@comcast.net> > To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 8:09 AM > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Babies not born in Red River Co. > > > > At 03:02 PM 3/3/03, you wrote: > > >Jim, > > >I don't know exactly when all the doctors in Clarksville stopped > > >delivering babies but they had already stopped before I went to work > at > > >the Clarksville Hospital about 25 years ago. > > > > > > I would guess about 1975. The numbers dropped drastically that year > from > the previous year, but had been steadily declining through the 60s. It > dropped to single digits in 1984 and stayed there. What is interesting > is > that probably 90% of the surnames of the people born in the 80s and 90s > were > Hispanic. > > Below are the birth numbers from 1926 to 1995. > > > > Gene > > > > > > 1926 - 314 > > 1927 - 353 > > 1928 - 644 > > 1929 - 493 > > 1930 - 521 > > 1931 - 535 > > 1932 - 561 > > 1933 - 683 > > 1934 - 752 > > 1935 - 725 > > 1936 - 561 > > 1937 - 616 > > 1938 - 553 > > 1939 - 521 > > 1940 - 537 > > 1941 - 526 > > 1942 - 560 > > 1943 - 620 > > 1944 - 558 > > 1945 - 462 > > 1946 - 539 > > 1947 - 508 > > 1948 - 452 > > 1949 - 440 > > 1950 - 398 > > 1951 - 414 > > 1952 - 348 > > 1953 - 392 > > 1954 - 379 > > 1955 - 339 > > 1956 - 357 > > 1957 - 337 > > 1958 - 315 > > 1959 - 329 > > 1960 - 283 > > 1961 - 279 > > 1962 - 267 > > 1963 - 249 > > 1964 - 232 > > 1965 - 198 > > 1966 - 172 > > 1967 - 162 > > 1968 - 145 > > 1969 - 144 > > 1970 - 202 > > 1971 - 145 > > 1972 - 88 > > 1973 - 90 > > 1974 - 95 > > 1975 - 41 > > 1976 - 16 > > 1977 - 13 > > 1978 - 13 > > 1979 - 14 > > 1980 - 16 > > 1981 - 9 > > 1982 - 12 > > 1983 - 11 > > 1984 - 3 > > 1985 - 3 > > 1986 - 5 > > 1987 - 3 > > 1988 - 4 > > 1989 - 3 > > 1990 - 4 > > 1991 - 4 > > 1992 - 5 > > 1993 - 6 > > 1994 - 3 > > 1995 - 1 > > > > > > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > Visit Red River County GenWeb site http://www.rootsweb.com/~txredriv > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

    03/05/2003 06:47:36
    1. Re: [TXREDRIV] Babies not born in Red River Co.
    2. Sharon Black
    3. I think you are right about the Latino births, John, but some probably were drop-in births at the hospital. (Women sometimes intentionally waited until the last minute so they couldn't be transferred to Paris) I was told of situations where the woman sat in the car in the parking lot until the baby was crowning. I guess they just didn't want to go to Paris, although they'd have gotten better care there from an OB specialist instead of a general practitioner. Neither hospital could turn them away just because they had no money. Many times these women had no prenatal care, no insurance, and no money. I remember the man you speak of bringing Mexican-speaking men, women, and children who were injured to the emergency room. He always paid their bill with cash. I know he had whole families living at his place (in addition to single men) and he seemed to take responsibility for their heath care. He served as interpreter when he brought someone to the emergency room. Sharon ----- Original Message ----- From: "jhowison" <jhowison@1starnet.com> To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 8:27 AM Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Babies not born in Red River Co. The Latino births may have been delivered by a midwife, possibly a qualified one. Back in the eighties, there was a Coyote who brought scores of peons he sort of rented out to landowners. He took care of his lendable "slaves," allegedly even importing prostitutes from Mexico to console them in their exile. Maybe midwivery was part of his care system. I think he is no longer in Red River County. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene Phillips" <gnphllps@comcast.net> To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 8:09 AM Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Babies not born in Red River Co. > At 03:02 PM 3/3/03, you wrote: > >Jim, > >I don't know exactly when all the doctors in Clarksville stopped > >delivering babies but they had already stopped before I went to work at > >the Clarksville Hospital about 25 years ago. > > > I would guess about 1975. The numbers dropped drastically that year from the previous year, but had been steadily declining through the 60s. It dropped to single digits in 1984 and stayed there. What is interesting is that probably 90% of the surnames of the people born in the 80s and 90s were Hispanic. > Below are the birth numbers from 1926 to 1995. > > Gene > > > 1926 - 314 > 1927 - 353 > 1928 - 644 > 1929 - 493 > 1930 - 521 > 1931 - 535 > 1932 - 561 > 1933 - 683 > 1934 - 752 > 1935 - 725 > 1936 - 561 > 1937 - 616 > 1938 - 553 > 1939 - 521 > 1940 - 537 > 1941 - 526 > 1942 - 560 > 1943 - 620 > 1944 - 558 > 1945 - 462 > 1946 - 539 > 1947 - 508 > 1948 - 452 > 1949 - 440 > 1950 - 398 > 1951 - 414 > 1952 - 348 > 1953 - 392 > 1954 - 379 > 1955 - 339 > 1956 - 357 > 1957 - 337 > 1958 - 315 > 1959 - 329 > 1960 - 283 > 1961 - 279 > 1962 - 267 > 1963 - 249 > 1964 - 232 > 1965 - 198 > 1966 - 172 > 1967 - 162 > 1968 - 145 > 1969 - 144 > 1970 - 202 > 1971 - 145 > 1972 - 88 > 1973 - 90 > 1974 - 95 > 1975 - 41 > 1976 - 16 > 1977 - 13 > 1978 - 13 > 1979 - 14 > 1980 - 16 > 1981 - 9 > 1982 - 12 > 1983 - 11 > 1984 - 3 > 1985 - 3 > 1986 - 5 > 1987 - 3 > 1988 - 4 > 1989 - 3 > 1990 - 4 > 1991 - 4 > 1992 - 5 > 1993 - 6 > 1994 - 3 > 1995 - 1 > > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== Visit Red River County GenWeb site http://www.rootsweb.com/~txredriv ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

    03/05/2003 06:18:59