It seems to me only a few weeks ago, more or less, that I exchanged waves with Jesse Greer in the front yard of his home on North Main in Bogata. I am not up to date on the state of his health. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Gibson" <mikegibsonathome@msn.com> To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 6:32 PM Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Bean-Need help & rambling. > Betty, > > I don't have any Beene's in my lines that I am aware of, but I have a Jesse > L. Greer b. ca. 1918 to Benjamin "Ben" Franklin and Lottie Mae (Patton) > Greer in Red River County. I cannot be sure on Jesse's middle name, but he > was the grandson of Jesse Levi and Elizabeth (Rycraft) Greer. > > Mike Gibson > Mesquite, Texas > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Betty Beene" <pur_bsb@shsu.edu> > To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 9:32 AM > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Bean-Need help & rambling. > > > > Bonnie S. and Mary G. and Jim G., > > > > Thanks for the Bean names and the Poteet obit from Lamar Co. (probably my > Poteet line). I have been researching for > > the last week, as yet I have found no connection but there might be a > connection, I just don't have enough > > information yet. > > > > I did find another Bean birth and marriage information. Ova Bean married > Jessie Earl Greer and had a child Ellie > > Fay Greer born in RR co. in 1935. Does anyone know this family? > > > > Betty B. > > Huntsville, TX > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Bonnie Shiro" <bon_yelle@hotmail.com> > > To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 5:51 PM > > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Bean-Need help & rambling. > > > > > > > Betty,first let me say,belatedly,welcome to the list. I do not really > know > > > any of the Bean's that I mentioned well enough to even say anything. My > > > brother-in law and sister-in-law are Bean's and their Grandparents were > from > > > Clarksville,Tx. The man's name was Hardy Bean and that is the extent of > my > > > knowledge. The brother-in-law has done some searching for relatives and > my > > > sister did lots of the research,but I am not really involved in their > > > searching. My sister passed away in 2001,so I really don't know anything > > > more. > > > The name just caught my eye,but I hope you find much info. These folks > on > > > this Red River list will help a lot. They are great folks! Luck to you. > > > Bonnie Shiro,Idabel,Ok > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Betty Beene" <pur_bsb@shsu.edu> > > > >Reply-To: TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com > > > >To: TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com > > > >Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Bean-Need help & rambling. > > > >Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 17:09:59 -0600 > > > > > > > >Bonnie, > > > > > > > >My name is Beene. But, Bean is a variable spelling. The spellings > that I > > > >have found of the line that I am > > > >researching in Red River Co., TX is Bean but I found marriage record > where > > > >the name was spelled Been. They are all > > > >the same, Bean/Beene/Been/Beane, etc. Which Bean are you related by > > > >marriage? > > > > > > > >Betty > > > >Huntsville, TX > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "Bonnie Shiro" <bon_yelle@hotmail.com> > > > >To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> > > > >Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 4:12 PM > > > >Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Bean-Need help & rambling. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok,Becky,is your name spelled Bean or Beene? I am related by > marriage to > > > > > Bean's,hence my question. Bonnie in Idabel,Ok. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Betty Beene" <pur_bsb@shsu.edu> > > > > > >Reply-To: TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > >To: TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > >Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Bean-Need help & rambling. > > > > > >Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 13:30:37 -0600 > > > > > > > > > > > >Jim, > > > > > > > > > > > >I have a Jim Poteet born in 1905 which could be Donald Poteet's > father > > > >or > > > > > >grandfather. Phoebe May Billingsley > > > > > >married Joseph Richard Humphrey in Lamar Co., TX in 1897, they are > both > > > > > >buried at Evergreen Cemetery, Lamar Co., > > > > > >TX. I haven't found any of their children yet. > > > > > > > > > > > >My goodness, yes, I know Dr. Adkins. My husband hung most of the > > > >wallpaper > > > > > >in his house and he used to be my > > > > > >doctor. I did not know that he was from that area of Northeast > Texas. > > > > > > > > > > > >Yes, we enjoy having the statue here of Sam. I am a graduate of > Sam > > > > > >Houston State University along with my husband > > > > > >and quite a few family members. Look for the Bearkats on TV Friday > > > >playing > > > > > >for the first time "ever" in the NCAA > > > > > >Basketball tournament from Tampa, FL. They are playing the Florida > > > >Gators, > > > > > >our odds are only 2,500 to 1 of winning > > > > > >but quite an experience for our university. > > > > > > > > > > > >Looking forward to hearing more news about descendants of my > husband's > > > > > >family. I only found them in Red River and > > > > > >Lamar Co., TX a week ago. I have been researching this family for > 6 > > > >years. > > > > > > > > > > > >Betty Beene > > > > > >Huntsville, TX > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > >From: "Jim Giddens" <jimg@cox-internet.com> > > > > > >To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > >Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 12:19 PM > > > > > >Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Bean-Need help & rambling. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Betty, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are many Humphrey people still in Red River County. I > know > > > >the > > > > > >Lone > > > > > > > Star Cemetery has many of them. > > > > > > > I also had a classmate Donald Poteet living in the Dimple area > north > > > >of > > > > > > > Clarksville about 6 miles that has a son working at Allen Lumber > > > >Company > > > > > >in > > > > > > > Clarksville. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is one of the reasons I like to know where people live. > You > > > >live > > > > > >in > > > > > > > Huntsville as does a class mate of mine of the class of 59 of > > > > > >Clarksville > > > > > > > High School. He is Dr Jack Atkins. He is a OB/Gyn doctor. > > > >He > > > > > >is > > > > > > > married to the daughter of Dr Wright that was a old doctor in > > > > > >Clarksville in > > > > > > > the 50s when I was a teen there. This Atkins still have a > ranch > > > >at > > > > > > > Vessey in northeast Red River Co. and one in west RR Co on Hwy > US 82 > > > > > >just > > > > > > > west of Detroit just before you come to where the railroad > overpass > > > >was > > > > > > > until recent years. You will see the Atkins Ranch sign. > > > >Jack's > > > > > > > brother Eddie is a multi-business man here in the Paris area. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know I am rambling but often tidbits are a surprising help to > > > >someone, > > > > > > if > > > > > > > not for you or me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I sure like that Sam Houston stature in Huntsville. I pass it > > > >when we > > > > > >go > > > > > > > to Lake Conroe to visit one of or children. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Have a good day and thanks for joining our little group. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim Giddens > > > > > > > Paris/Reno/Clarksville, Tx > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "Betty Beene" <pur_bsb@shsu.edu> > > > > > > > To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 11:46 AM > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Bean-Need help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your response. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm afraid I don't have enough information to connect with any > of > > > >the > > > > > > > names you gave me except for Wade H. Lowrance > > > > > > > > but I have not tied him to parents yet. Phoebe Bean married > > > >William > > > > > >M. > > > > > > > Lowrance in 1868 in Red River Co., TX, > > > > > > > > children Sam, John, Alice, Annie, Mary, Willie and Catherine > that > > > >I > > > > > >know > > > > > > > of so far. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There was a L. R. Bean in Red River Co. in 1880 census born in > TN > > > > > >about > > > > > > > 1822 who is probably related to my Beans, > > > > > > > > could be a son of William. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Other surnames in Red River Co. are Hamil, Poteet, Humphrey, > > > >Thrower > > > > > >and > > > > > > > Pulattie. They were in the Clarksville > > > > > > > > and Manchester area. Mary Jane Bean Billingsley moved to > Lamar > > > >Co. in > > > > > > > 1880. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Betty Beene > > > > > > > > Huntsville, TX > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: "Jim Giddens" <jimg@cox-internet.com> > > > > > > > > To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 11:26 AM > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Bean-Need help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Welcome to the board. Is your name Betty Beene? We are > a > > > > > >friendly & > > > > > > > > > helpful board with many people exchanging information. I > > > >help > > > > > >all I > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > as do others. It gets a little confusing at time trying > to > > > >keep > > > > > >up > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > all the different messages and request when people do not > give > > > >their > > > > > > > name. > > > > > > > > > At least that goes for me. It also help me to keep my > > > >interest if > > > > > >I > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > where the person lives. My personal request is for all to > sign > > > >off > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > their name (first and last) and where they live. This is > not > > > >a > > > > > > > > > requirement of the board and certainly not a demand (but a > > > >request) > > > > > >by > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > My reason for this may sound strange or unfriendly to new > > > >members, > > > > > >but > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > time goes on I think you will see and agree of its > importance in > > > > > >adding > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > the interest and input to the board. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, I have a few tidbits of information that may help in > > > >this > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > at this time, but maybe after some research I will have > more. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your listed surnames are very common in Red River county. > We > > > >have > > > > > > > Carl > > > > > > > > > Bean Motors that recently closed, > > > > > > > > > Ester L Lawrence (maybe Lowrance) was the second wife of my > GG > > > >Gf > > > > > >Wiley > > > > > > > W > > > > > > > > > Giddens and is buried at Concord Cemetery in Red River Co. > > > >Also > > > > > >the > > > > > > > > > records show at Concord a Wade H Lowrance died Dec 1918 and > was > > > >a > > > > > >Pvt in > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > 70 Balloon Btn. My Concord plot map drawn up by my dad > show 3 > > > > > >other > > > > > > > > > Lawrence (Lorwarnce ) gave, all in the are of Ester L > Giddens. > > > > > >One of > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > Lawrence graves has dates of b 1-25-1858 died 1-4-1908. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Payne: there are some Payne graves at Blanton Creek Cemetery > > > >north > > > > > >of > > > > > > > > > Bagwell. I believe Dr Payne (at Clarksville when I was a > teen > > > >in > > > > > >the > > > > > > > 50s) > > > > > > > > > is buried at Blanton Creek. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This may not help, but maybe these tidbits can be of some > help > > > >to > > > > > >you, > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > just never know. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim Giddens > > > > > > > > > Paris, Tx > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > From: "Betty Beene" <pur_bsb@shsu.edu> > > > > > > > > > To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 10:20 AM > > > > > > > > > Subject: [TXREDRIV] Bean-Need help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am new to this list. Looking for information on William > > > >Bean > > > > > > > family, > > > > > > > > > William married to Ellinorah in 1870 census of Red River > Co., > > > >TX, > > > > > > > children > > > > > > > > > Phoebe Elizabeth married William Lowrance, Mary Jane married > to > > > > > >William > > > > > > > P. > > > > > > > > > Billingsley, Nancy W. married to John G. Payne. 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Jan, I have tried the e-mail addy you sent me 3 times and I came back every time. I am sending jazek41@livingston.net but it does not seem to work. Check it out please and let me know. I have already cleared out you old e-mail address. Jim Giddens Paris, Tx

I have a hunch my people were so poor at Hopewell in Red River County, they did not notice the depression. Jim Giddens Paris, Tx ----- Original Message ----- From: "DREW SLATE" <drew-slate@charter.net> To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 1:30 PM Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Red River Cty War Memories > Great stuff Tom! Sometimes I just ask dad what it was > like during the depression or WWII to see what he can > remember. For a young guy like me (31), it is a real > treat to hear others talk about the "good ole days" (my > grandfather always said the good ole days weren't really > that great, hehe). I enjoy hearing about days gone by > when life was a little simplier, but just as complicated, > if you know what I mean. > > The main reason for my reply is something that you > mentioned in your notes, The Star Banners. I always > wondered why this tradition ended after WWII and wasn't > used during the Korean or Vietnam conflicts, I guess > > > > > >

Hello everyone, I just wanted to share something with all of you. I got this from the Dales this morning. It is wonderful news and I need to find out who put this in motion. I hadn't been able to make the trip yet to the county to discuss it with the Sheriff. Someone has done a great thing here and I would like to formally thank them. Drew Saw the deputy in charge if cleaning up Slate Cemetery --- said there are about 30 large brush piles now and will go back to burn them as weather permits Didn't appear to have found any more markers, though Good to hear from you Lawrence and Sue Dale If any of you don't know what the cemetery was looking like, go to the website and look at the pictures I took back in Dec. Keep in mind that is during the winter when nothing is really growing. I have already talked to my father and we are trying to figure out what day this month we can come up and take a look. I need to take some more pictures and video the area. Thanks, Drew

All, I heard John Howison is in the hospital. I just called St Joseph Hosp here in Paris. He is in room 526. I finally got to talk to his nurse, but her English was not good. I understand he has abdominal pain (cramps & diarrhea) and has a I.V. that may come out today, (or was that a tube in his nose). It is early so I did not call the room. I am on my way to Pittsburg early this a.m. Jim Giddens Paris, Tx

YOU'RE A GOOD GUY, DREW!!!!!!!!! vivi argyris denton, tx

This is not genealogy but this old movie reminds going to the Avalon movie house in Clarksville as a boy. _____________________________________________________ I am watching a old Gene Autrey western on TV. He was my favorite over Roy Rogers and I saw many of his movies. I don't know why I like him best. I don't remember seeing this old move titled, "The Cowboy and the Indian". Of course Gene is the good guy, the surprise is the bad guy (hired gun slinger) is Clayton Moore (The Lone Ranger) and the son of the chief on the reservation is Jay Silverheel (Tonto). I am assuming this move was made before the Lone Ranger existed. Oh no, Gene and Clayton Moore are fighting on the top of a mountain. I wonder who wins. Jim G p.s. Gen won.

Hello all, I want to apologize for something. I am interested in this lake issue and really in reality interested in the expansion of the whole area. Once I mentioned this subject I didn't know it was a hotbed of information or conflict with some. Since then, I have been getting alot of great information on both sides of the issue, which I am very grateful for. What I would like to ask out of respect for all involved is this. If you want to talk about it please write me privately and don't copy anyone else. I am not sure where everyone stands and I have some great relationships with people on this list and I want to keep it that way. I have accidently hit send a few times and not noticed that someone copied the list or someone else. I am a open minded person and don't take offense on just about anything so it really doesn't bother me what people say. Others have a little tougher time with this which is very understandable considering the situation. I have promised Cynthia Samples, our list admin, that this would stay off the list and here I go accidently sending another on to the list. Please help me out on this issue and keep my standing with the list in the good. Thanks for your time and information, Drew Slate Fort Worth, Tx

Hello there, Thanks for writing. I never dreamed I would get so much information from so many different views. I have already been in contact with many on this including John, Jim Giddens, Max Shumake, and Richard Rainey. There are issues here that need to be addressed. The biggest issue is people's ethics and motivation. There are good points on both sides of this debate and that is a good thing. The problem lies in that the people pushing for this have no connections to this area. What I mean by that is when you allow others to come from the outside and make decisions for your town/area things will, not might, go bad. This is a sad situation when it happens. Basically, the bottom line is this. I am from the other end of this debate. I will in Fort Worth and work in Dallas. I can tell you the mentality of people from this area. I will say this, if this was a positive project that could generate the kind of numbers I keep hearing said it would be done right here on the shores of the Trinity River. In fact, talks have happened over the years of building up small lakes and such around the river but nothing comes of it because the cost to reward ratio is to small. I have a MAJOR concern for the historical factor in this. I don't have anyone buried there, that I know of. What I do see though is in the future this could happen to my families burial grounds or land. The short sight of some can destroy the future of others. To answer your question, it does matter! I have seen stuff like this get cancelled and moved somewhere else or just plain scrapped because of citizens stating their minds. It doesn't always work, but at least you tried. Actually, it has made a difference so far because the project is on hold. People in the right places are rethinking this and that is a very good thing. If the decision down the road is to move ahead then fine, but certain measures need to be put in place for those affected. I need to write a friend and ask the legal parts of the cemetery move. They did this in Dallas a few years back with a Black cemetery that was dicovered during a highway expansion. In that one, they dug up all remains and tombstones and reburied in a new cememtery. I don't think this is right but at least they did it the right way. Write anytime with any information, Drew On Wed, 2 Apr 2003 13:55:49 -0600 "blindsey" <blindsey@mt-vernon.com> wrote: >Drew Slate, I do not know who you are .... but read a >note that involved John Howson. John does not have the >low down on MN Lake ... you better go to the horses mouth >to get some of you answers. > >Yes, Marvin Nichols Lake will cover serveral >cementeries.... including Cuthand. >The state is required to move the cemeteries - but only >one shovel of dirt and the head stone. Where have the >buried your Grandmother.... well let me tell you that >several grandmothers have been buried in the Cuthand >Cemetery. That is not all, we have about three hundred >acres that is now in owned by the fifth generation. It >is a retirement income for me. I do not want the state >to take it for peanuts, and that is what they are telling >us they will pay for the land. > >My property is only a drop in the bucket, I have a friend >that owns 900 acres in and around Cuthand that is their >family income.... the state will take that, also. They >are talking about 66,000 acres of land on Sulphur River >for the lake and 2 acres of land for mitigation for ever >acre of lake. I could type all day .... and tell you >some shenanigans that is going on with the building of >this lake .... but would it do any good?????? > >Let me know. >Thanks/blindsey > >P.S. I just heard a couple of hours ago that John Howison >is in the hospital. I will talk to him at a later date. > He needs to be informed.

There may be issues that need to be addressed here, but this is not the place to do it. PLEASE do not talk about this issue on this list. If you want to answer this, please do it privately. Cynthia Samples

At 09:24 AM 4/2/03, you wrote: >My wife and I have discussed this same situation in her hometown of Lovington, NM. Drew, What is your wife's name. I lived in Lovington and surrounding towns for 7 years in the 50s and 60s. When I lived there, they had only a couple of grocery stores, no major chain restaurants. The only fast food place I remember is the Ole Jax Drive in. We used to go to Rudd's Resturant for fine dining. The last time I was there was in 1976 and it wasn't much different than when I lived there, except maybe a MacDonalds. Gene

Drew, your note reminds me of a town in Texas called Wimberly. I was stationed at San Marcos in 1956. I would visit Wimberly because it had only one little country store, and it reminded me of Fulbright back in RR County. The man that owned the store could tell I was from the country, and he would let me hunt on his place. In 1883, I was back down that way, and decided to drive out there for a look. To my surprise, there were 3 Banks and the other business to support them, and if anyone thinks it was " Location", then all I can say is look it up on the map. Of course, we all have our opinions about the growth of Clarkisville and RR County, and I am sure they are all fine, but let me say this, I am 68 years young, retired from the Clarksville P.O.and have spent almost all of my life near or in RR County, and would you believe that in talking with many old friends down there, the one story I hear most is " Let Paris and those other towns grow, and I will drive there and get what I want, then come on home and live the quite life"! I guess to each his own. Rambling Sam Paris. Also lived on White Settlement Road in 1950 awhile. ----- Original Message ----- From: "DREW SLATE" <drew-slate@charter.net> To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 9:24 AM Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] just talk & more rambling > Interesting isn't it...on one side it is great that > Clarksville is gaining some more business, but on the > other side it over shadows the true draw to the town. > > My wife and I have discussed this same situation in her > hometown of Lovington, NM. It was a small sleepy town > when I first visited there in 1994, but today they have > quite a few of the major fast food chains, 3 grocery > stores, and a few new businesses, not to mention a few new > hotels on the edge of town. > > I think that it is a necessary evil to have these type of > situations happen, BUT I think it is our duty as > protectors of our history to curb it some. What I mean is > this...I have seen towns say Yes we want "fill in the > name", but your sign will not be above x amount of ft > tall. Or certain types of buildings have to be a certain > distance from the town square. I have even seen towns > REQUIRE that a new business build there new office to > match that of the other buildings around it (this is > generally done around town squares not around the > outskirts). Another thing to do is push the taxes up on > these businesses a little to improve the older buildings > and streets around the town. > > There are many things to do to build up a town, yet keep > the old historic part preserved. I have not observed this > as much in Texas as I have in TN, NC, GA, and AL. > Especially in TN, where they embrace the history and > create a major "tourist trap" to keep their fine city > growing without hurting their history. There is a fine > line, but I think RR has the history to do it, as long as > the proper people run the show and truly have th interest > of the city in mind and not just money. > > Best in Historic Town Preservation, > > Drew Slate > Fort Worth, Tx > > On Tue, 1 Apr 2003 22:32:36 -0600 > "Jim Giddens" <jimg@cox-internet.com> wrote: > >Darla & All, > > If you are setting at the red light in Clarksville > >facing west at night, > >the huge, high, golden arches will be the major > >attention grabber in you > >view. This is not a complaint, but a statement of > >contrast in relation > >to the history represented on the square and immediate > >area. I think it > >is great that Clarksville warranted McDonald's coming to > >Clarksville. I > >am in Clarksville several times each month, and I was > >just a little > >startled myself at my perception of my view at the > >moment for the red > >light. To me it reminded me more of the importants of > >history. > > You are of course correct about the Flags & the yellow > >ribbons in > >Clarksville. I have recently said the there are people > >in Clarksville > >doing a great job in Clarksville to give a face lift to > >the historic city. > > I see may historic houses in Clarksville, when I > >was a boy growing up > >in Clarksville, I just saw some old houses. > >Many I just did not see at all due to lack of interest. > > The Bell house for > >example was just a big old house that my cousins lived > >in. I stayed in the > >house in bed one day after I had my tonsils take out at > >the age of 6 (1948) > >in the old hospital. We did enjoy sliding on the > >banisters, but they > >were not easy. > >Later, > >Jim Giddens, > >Paris, Tx > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: <HORSEnAROUND247@aol.com> > >To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 5:09 PM > >Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] just talk & more rambling > > > > > >> Hello Jim & others > >> I just wanted to put my input on what I saw in > >>Clarksville yesterday, > >as > >> I was driving down main street I saw big yellow bows and > >>ribbons tied on > >> doors, tree's, etc. Also lining Main Street was United > >>States Flags,on > >each > >> side of the road. I live here so I dont notice those > >>Golden Arch's (unless > >> kids are begging ) but it was with pride that I noticed > >>the yellow ribbons > >& > >> flags. My personal opinion, I hope they remain where > >>they are untill this > >war > >> is over. As a reminder of the men & women who are > >>fighting for our > >country. > >> I hope you dont take me wrong, as Im not complaining at > >>all about what > >you > >> said, I just wanted to say what I noticed & I belive > >>alot of times, when > >one > >> lives somewhere, it gets to where you dont notice things > >>because it's a > >> everyday occurance, but put something new up & I notice. > >> Have a great day > >> Darla Campbell > >> Clarksville, Texas > >> Also I wanted to point out to anyone in RR Co that may > >>know what to do > >about > >> this, there are countless streets inside the city limits > >>that have no stop > >> signs, I have thought about doing a project myself & > >>getting a map to pin > >> point each place that there are crossroads & no stop > >>signs on either side. > >> But as with the creeks not having names, I figured that > >>there was no money > >> for signs. Just a concern of mine, especially for > >>drivers that are not > >aware > >> of this problem, (the ones whom like me when I moved > >>here last summer), > >that > >> may drive, see no stop sign in front of them & drive on. > >>And at same time > >> another driver thinking the same thing, it's a accident > >>waiting to happen > >all > >> over town. > >> Again just my opinion. > >> > >> > >> ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > >> > >> > >> > >> ============================== > >> To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online > >>genealogy records, > >go to: > >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >> > > > > > >==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > >============================== > >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online > >genealogy records, go to: > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Interesting isn't it...on one side it is great that Clarksville is gaining some more business, but on the other side it over shadows the true draw to the town. My wife and I have discussed this same situation in her hometown of Lovington, NM. It was a small sleepy town when I first visited there in 1994, but today they have quite a few of the major fast food chains, 3 grocery stores, and a few new businesses, not to mention a few new hotels on the edge of town. I think that it is a necessary evil to have these type of situations happen, BUT I think it is our duty as protectors of our history to curb it some. What I mean is this...I have seen towns say Yes we want "fill in the name", but your sign will not be above x amount of ft tall. Or certain types of buildings have to be a certain distance from the town square. I have even seen towns REQUIRE that a new business build there new office to match that of the other buildings around it (this is generally done around town squares not around the outskirts). Another thing to do is push the taxes up on these businesses a little to improve the older buildings and streets around the town. There are many things to do to build up a town, yet keep the old historic part preserved. I have not observed this as much in Texas as I have in TN, NC, GA, and AL. Especially in TN, where they embrace the history and create a major "tourist trap" to keep their fine city growing without hurting their history. There is a fine line, but I think RR has the history to do it, as long as the proper people run the show and truly have th interest of the city in mind and not just money. Best in Historic Town Preservation, Drew Slate Fort Worth, Tx On Tue, 1 Apr 2003 22:32:36 -0600 "Jim Giddens" <jimg@cox-internet.com> wrote: >Darla & All, > If you are setting at the red light in Clarksville >facing west at night, >the huge, high, golden arches will be the major >attention grabber in you >view. This is not a complaint, but a statement of >contrast in relation >to the history represented on the square and immediate >area. I think it >is great that Clarksville warranted McDonald's coming to >Clarksville. I >am in Clarksville several times each month, and I was >just a little >startled myself at my perception of my view at the >moment for the red >light. To me it reminded me more of the importants of >history. > You are of course correct about the Flags & the yellow >ribbons in >Clarksville. I have recently said the there are people >in Clarksville >doing a great job in Clarksville to give a face lift to >the historic city. > I see may historic houses in Clarksville, when I >was a boy growing up >in Clarksville, I just saw some old houses. >Many I just did not see at all due to lack of interest. > The Bell house for >example was just a big old house that my cousins lived >in. I stayed in the >house in bed one day after I had my tonsils take out at >the age of 6 (1948) >in the old hospital. We did enjoy sliding on the >banisters, but they >were not easy. >Later, >Jim Giddens, >Paris, Tx >----- Original Message ----- >From: <HORSEnAROUND247@aol.com> >To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 5:09 PM >Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] just talk & more rambling > > >> Hello Jim & others >> I just wanted to put my input on what I saw in >>Clarksville yesterday, >as >> I was driving down main street I saw big yellow bows and >>ribbons tied on >> doors, tree's, etc. Also lining Main Street was United >>States Flags,on >each >> side of the road. I live here so I dont notice those >>Golden Arch's (unless >> kids are begging ) but it was with pride that I noticed >>the yellow ribbons >& >> flags. My personal opinion, I hope they remain where >>they are untill this >war >> is over. As a reminder of the men & women who are >>fighting for our >country. >> I hope you dont take me wrong, as Im not complaining at >>all about what >you >> said, I just wanted to say what I noticed & I belive >>alot of times, when >one >> lives somewhere, it gets to where you dont notice things >>because it's a >> everyday occurance, but put something new up & I notice. >> Have a great day >> Darla Campbell >> Clarksville, Texas >> Also I wanted to point out to anyone in RR Co that may >>know what to do >about >> this, there are countless streets inside the city limits >>that have no stop >> signs, I have thought about doing a project myself & >>getting a map to pin >> point each place that there are crossroads & no stop >>signs on either side. >> But as with the creeks not having names, I figured that >>there was no money >> for signs. Just a concern of mine, especially for >>drivers that are not >aware >> of this problem, (the ones whom like me when I moved >>here last summer), >that >> may drive, see no stop sign in front of them & drive on. >>And at same time >> another driver thinking the same thing, it's a accident >>waiting to happen >all >> over town. >> Again just my opinion. >> >> >> ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== >> >> >> >> ============================== >> To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online >>genealogy records, >go to: >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >> > > >==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online >genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Darla, The genealogy meeting is the 2nd Monday of each month at the Clarksville library at 7 p.m. That will be April 14th. Looking forward to seeing you there. Sharon ----- Original Message ----- From: <HORSEnAROUND247@aol.com> To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 10:46 PM Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] just talk & more rambling Jim your right about the arch's at night, guess I just never thought about it, since it's something I see all the time. Also to change subject, it the next meeting for Genealogy Society this next monday? If so, where are meetings at & what time, would love to come. Darla Campbell Clarksville, Tx ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

The only existing copies of the Clarksville Times that are not on microfilm at the county library are the ones that have been bound into books at the Times office. They would have to be unbound and taken out of the books in order to be filmed and that hasn't happened. Many years of the Times no longer exist. I don't have a list of the years that are available on microfilm at the Clarksville library but I know there is quite a lot. Also, many years of the Detroit, Deport, and Bogata papers are available there on film. Plus all of the Northern Standard. However, be warned that the microfilm reader at the library is old and cranky and does not make copies. Also, if looking for obits after about the early 1950s, you can usually find them in the Paris News which is available at Paris Junior College on microfilm. That's when Paris News started consistently printing Red River Co. obits. The film reader at the college is new and makes good copies for a quarter each. Sharon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Giddens" <jimg@cox-internet.com> To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 10:38 PM Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Obituaries The Red River County Genealogy Society is micro-filming all the newspapers of the county they can. Sharon can answer you much better than me. Jim Giddens Paris, Tx ----- Original Message ----- From: <HORSEnAROUND247@aol.com> To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 2:05 PM Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Obituaries > Clarksville Times (Red River County) has newspapers dated back to 1948, they > are actual newspapers cataloged in big books. You can not get copy's made of > anything in these > books, ONLY allowed to look at & copy with pen & paper what it contains. No > photo copys allowed. > Thats the only newspapers that I know for R.R. Co. > If I can help farther, let me know. As I live in Clarksville,Tx R.R.Co > Darla Campbell > Clarksville, Tx > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Jim your right about the arch's at night, guess I just never thought about it, since it's something I see all the time. Also to change subject, it the next meeting for Genealogy Society this next monday? If so, where are meetings at & what time, would love to come. Darla Campbell Clarksville, Tx

At 11:19 PM 4/1/03 -0500, you wrote: >Jim I received youe email at 10:05 Keep the Faith Eddie Robinson Oak Ridge, Tn. "The Atomic City"

I think it is the 2nd Monday which will be the 14th and the time is either 7 or 7:30. Sharon Black can confirm date and time. Maybe I can make it if it on the 14th. JimG ----- Original Message ----- From: <HORSEnAROUND247@aol.com> To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 10:46 PM Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] just talk & more rambling > Jim your right about the arch's at night, guess I just never thought about > it, since it's something I see all the time. > Also to change subject, it the next meeting for Genealogy Society this next > monday? If so, where are meetings at & what time, would love to come. > Darla Campbell > Clarksville, Tx > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Jim I received youe email about 10:14

The Red River County Genealogy Society is micro-filming all the newspapers of the county they can. Sharon can answer you much better than me. Jim Giddens Paris, Tx ----- Original Message ----- From: <HORSEnAROUND247@aol.com> To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 2:05 PM Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Obituaries > Clarksville Times (Red River County) has newspapers dated back to 1948, they > are actual newspapers cataloged in big books. You can not get copy's made of > anything in these > books, ONLY allowed to look at & copy with pen & paper what it contains. No > photo copys allowed. > Thats the only newspapers that I know for R.R. Co. > If I can help farther, let me know. As I live in Clarksville,Tx R.R.Co > Darla Campbell > Clarksville, Tx > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >