OK, I found it. I have tons of stuff in the file cabinet that I haven't looked at in years and it is not that well organized. A lot of it is "just in case" that doesn't even apply to my family. Walter Carpenter died of Comsumption. He lived in Detroit. The informant was J. L. VanDyke. Was that a Dr? It wasn't a relative. It doesn't list the burial place. I wonder when death certificates started listing the burial place. Cynthia In the woods north of Paris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Giddens" <jimg@cox-internet.com> To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2003 9:17 PM Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV]Carpenter > I am curious to know. My dad was 2 yrs old at the time and he was expected > to be dead from the cholera the next day, but he was saved by the creosote > the doctor gave him. > Now I remember the name Walter. Also his marker is very similar to the > style (maybe exact but larger) of my little aunt's marker, which is about 8 > ft behind Walter's marker. > Jim Giddens > Paris (Reno), Tx > (stop at the Reno Quick Stop, holler real loud, and I will hear you.) > p.s. I am have sent Drew 5 pictures of the Slate Cemetery I took today. > No it is not digital. I had them processed at the 1 hour photo shop. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cynthia Samples" <samples88@earthlink.net> > To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2003 10:10 PM > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV]Carpenter > > > > > > > > > Also at Stones Chapel (Cherry) Cemetery. The Carpenter (forget the > fist > > name) is buried the next grave east of my Dad's little sister that died at > > the age of 4 on Nov 14, 1912. > > > She died of cholera (sp). Carpenter died exactly 14 days later. I > > wonder if he had cholera also. > > > (Cynthia, is this your relative). > > > > > > Later, > > > Jim Giddens > > > Paris, Tx > > > > Yes, this was Walter Carpenter. He was my grandfather's brother. I have > a > > death certificate somewhere in my file cabinet, but I couldn't find it. I > > can't remember whether it said what he died from. > > > > Cynthia Samples > > North of Paris, Texas > > > > > > > > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

> Also at Stones Chapel (Cherry) Cemetery. The Carpenter (forget the fist name) is buried the next grave east of my Dad's little sister that died at the age of 4 on Nov 14, 1912. > She died of cholera (sp). Carpenter died exactly 14 days later. I wonder if he had cholera also. > (Cynthia, is this your relative). > > Later, > Jim Giddens > Paris, Tx Yes, this was Walter Carpenter. He was my grandfather's brother. I have a death certificate somewhere in my file cabinet, but I couldn't find it. I can't remember whether it said what he died from. Cynthia Samples North of Paris, Texas

Have received the photos and they are great! Thanks so much. Amazing difference. I can't wait to go see it all in person. There is still alot of work to be done, but we will get there one day. I even got another volunteer to help the other, our fellow lister Max Shumake. I am hoping to get up to see it this month sometime. I guess I need to bring my gas weedeaters and chainsaw with me... Thanks Jim! I really appreciate it! Drew Slate Fort Worth, Tx p.s. It was great to see Rev. Slate's marker still standing... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Giddens" <jimg@cox-internet.com> To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2003 7:42 PM Subject: [TXREDRIV] Slate > I made a big circle in north RR Co today (Sue even went with me). A lot of work has been done at Slate Cemetery but still a lot more to day. The excessive trees have been cut down as has the brush. The brush is in about 8 to 12 large piles with the tree trucks that have been cut into sections of about 2 ft in lengths. I took some pictures and will send them to Drew a little later tonight. > > Stopped at Concord. The marker I checked on is > Grenia C. > wife of > W.H. Piephoff > b Sept 5, 1856 > d. Dec 8, 1893 > > > Also at Stones Chapel (Cherry) Cemetery. The Carpenter (forget the fist name) is buried the next grave east of my Dad's little sister that died at the age of 4 on Nov 14, 1912. > She died of cholera (sp). Carpenter died exactly 14 days later. I wonder if he had cholera also. > (Cynthia, is this your relative). > > Later, > Jim Giddens > Paris, Tx > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

I am curious to know. My dad was 2 yrs old at the time and he was expected to be dead from the cholera the next day, but he was saved by the creosote the doctor gave him. Now I remember the name Walter. Also his marker is very similar to the style (maybe exact but larger) of my little aunt's marker, which is about 8 ft behind Walter's marker. Jim Giddens Paris (Reno), Tx (stop at the Reno Quick Stop, holler real loud, and I will hear you.) p.s. I am have sent Drew 5 pictures of the Slate Cemetery I took today. No it is not digital. I had them processed at the 1 hour photo shop. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cynthia Samples" <samples88@earthlink.net> To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2003 10:10 PM Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV]Carpenter > > > > Also at Stones Chapel (Cherry) Cemetery. The Carpenter (forget the fist > name) is buried the next grave east of my Dad's little sister that died at > the age of 4 on Nov 14, 1912. > > She died of cholera (sp). Carpenter died exactly 14 days later. I > wonder if he had cholera also. > > (Cynthia, is this your relative). > > > > Later, > > Jim Giddens > > Paris, Tx > > Yes, this was Walter Carpenter. He was my grandfather's brother. I have a > death certificate somewhere in my file cabinet, but I couldn't find it. I > can't remember whether it said what he died from. > > Cynthia Samples > North of Paris, Texas > > > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

I had this sent to me & thought it was interesting. A little Civil War History. We in the United States have all heard the haunting song, "Taps." It's the song that gives us that lump in our throats and usually tears in our eyes. But, do you know the story behind the song? If not, I think you will be interested to find out about its humble beginnings. Reportedly, it all began in 1862 during the Civil War, when Union Army Captain Robert Ellicombe was with his men near Harris's Landing in Virginia. The Confederate Army was on the other side of the narrow strip of land. During the night, Captain Ellicombe heard the moans of a soldier who lay severely wounded on the field. Not knowing if it was a Union or Confederate soldier, the Captain decided to risk his life and bring the stricken man back for medical attention. Crawling on his stomach through the gunfire, the Captain reached the stricken soldier and began pulling him toward his encampment. When the Captain finally reached his own lines, he discovered it was actually a Confederate soldier, but the soldier was dead. The Captain lit a lantern and suddenly caught his breath and went numb with shock. In the dim light, he saw the face of the soldier. It was his own son. The boy had been studying music in the South when the war broke out. Without telling his father, the boy enlisted in the Confederate Army. The following morning, heartbroken, the father asked permission of his superiors to give his son a full military burial, despite his enemy status. His request was only partially granted. The Captain had asked if he could have a group of Army band members play a funeral dirge for his son at the funeral.   The request was turned down since the soldier was a Confederate. But, out of respect for the father, they did say they could give him only one musician. The Captain chose a bugler. He asked the bugler to play a series of musical notes he had found on a piece of paper in the pocket of the dead youth's uniform. This wish was granted. The haunting melody, we now know as "Taps" ... used at military funerals was born. The words are .. Day is done ... Gone the sun .From the lakes... >From the hills ... From the sky .. All is well .Safely rest . God is nigh ... Fading light ... Dims the sight ... And a star . Gems the sky... Gleaming bright ... From afar .. Drawing nigh ... Falls the night ...Thanks and praise ... For our days .. Neath the sun .... Neath the stars ... Neath the sky ... As we go ... This we know ... God is nigh... I, too, have felt the chills while listening to "Taps" but I have never seen all the words to the song until now. I didn't even know there was more than one verse. I also never knew the story behind the song and I didn't know if you had either so I thought I'd pass it along. I now have an even deeper respect for the song than I did before.

Thanks for the update. Looking forward to seeing the pictures. You are right though, it will take quite a bit of work before the cemetery will be back in good shape. Thanks for going by and taking a look. Thanks, Drew Slate Fort Worth, Tx ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Giddens" <jimg@cox-internet.com> To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2003 7:42 PM Subject: [TXREDRIV] Slate > I made a big circle in north RR Co today (Sue even went with me). A lot of work has been done at Slate Cemetery but still a lot more to day. The excessive trees have been cut down as has the brush. The brush is in about 8 to 12 large piles with the tree trucks that have been cut into sections of about 2 ft in lengths. I took some pictures and will send them to Drew a little later tonight. > > Stopped at Concord. The marker I checked on is > Grenia C. > wife of > W.H. Piephoff > b Sept 5, 1856 > d. Dec 8, 1893 > > > Also at Stones Chapel (Cherry) Cemetery. The Carpenter (forget the fist name) is buried the next grave east of my Dad's little sister that died at the age of 4 on Nov 14, 1912. > She died of cholera (sp). Carpenter died exactly 14 days later. I wonder if he had cholera also. > (Cynthia, is this your relative). > > Later, > Jim Giddens > Paris, Tx > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

I made a big circle in north RR Co today (Sue even went with me). A lot of work has been done at Slate Cemetery but still a lot more to day. The excessive trees have been cut down as has the brush. The brush is in about 8 to 12 large piles with the tree trucks that have been cut into sections of about 2 ft in lengths. I took some pictures and will send them to Drew a little later tonight. Stopped at Concord. The marker I checked on is Grenia C. wife of W.H. Piephoff b Sept 5, 1856 d. Dec 8, 1893 Also at Stones Chapel (Cherry) Cemetery. The Carpenter (forget the fist name) is buried the next grave east of my Dad's little sister that died at the age of 4 on Nov 14, 1912. She died of cholera (sp). Carpenter died exactly 14 days later. I wonder if he had cholera also. (Cynthia, is this your relative). Later, Jim Giddens Paris, Tx

Barbara, I am not familiar with IB Mitchell. He may be an ancestor of the future. Kathy Hutchinson Mitchell --- Barbara Pichoff <bpichoff@cox-internet.com> wrote: > Jim not that I know of... I havent cked into many of > my husbands family > but as far as he knows they were all from Louisiana > and france.... could > be and uncle of his dads that found the good life > inTexas > > Jim Giddens wrote: > > >Barbara, > > I have a Concord Cemetery plot map done by my > dad. He has marked > >several old graves listed as > >"Piehoff" could this be your Pichoff. I read > two names Cerebam Piehoff > >and William Piehoff with the date between the two > names of b 9-5-1856 d. > >12-8-1893. Next time I am at Concord, will > try to proofread the > >marker, but it may only be a plain block to > replace a old oak stab marking > >a grave is there. > >My dad may have mis read the c or an e. > >Jim Giddens > >Paris, Tx > >Apr 5, 11:00 a.m. > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Barbara Pichoff" <bpichoff@cox-internet.com> > >To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 9:17 PM > >Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] 27th Texas Cav. > > > > > > > > > >>Kathy are you related to a IB Mitchell? Im not too > sure of the IB name > >>its all I have heard him called > >>Thanks Barbara Chesshire Pichoff > >>Franklin, Louisiana > >> > >>Kathy wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>Jim, > >>>I have a document that stated where he was from > and it > >>>said Avery. It was on the document where he > joined the > >>>CSA. Now, the document could have been completed > >>>later, when the town actually became Avery. That > is a > >>>very interesting point. I will have to do > research on > >>>that, when I get time. > >>>Thanks for replying. > >>> > >>>Kathy Hutchinson Mitchell > >>> > >>> > >>> > > > > > >==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > >Visit Red River County GenWeb site > http://www.rootsweb.com/~txredriv > > > > > >============================== > >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, go to: > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com

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John, Glad to hear you hear you and the tube are both out!! Been thinking about you and your WWII experiences as a POW. all this war talk got me to thinking about you and the other guys who have served our country. THANK YOU ALL again. Tom Heath, TX ----- Original Message ----- From: jhowison Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2003 7:31 AM To: TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] John Howison Some may be disappointed to learn that I was released Friday morning and am meaner than ever. Had a bad reaction to Zithromax, which was prescribed for a bad cold. Apparently it is a potent drug that doesn't agree with everybody. Hereafter, when asked whether I am allergic to anything I will have to answer "zithromax" as well as "outdoors." That was a tube in my nose, and my advice is don't. Actually, I think that nurse Jim talked with speaks fine English, just doesn't have a nice RRCo accent. First time a ever disagreed with Jim about anything!----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Giddens" <jimg@cox-internet.com> To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 6:21 AM Subject: [TXREDRIV] John Howison > All, > I heard John Howison is in the hospital. I just called St Joseph Hosp here in Paris. He is in room 526. I finally got to talk to his nurse, but her English was not good. I understand he has abdominal pain (cramps & diarrhea) and has a I.V. that may come out today, (or was that a tube in his nose). It is early so I did not call the room. I am on my way to Pittsburg early this a.m. > > Jim Giddens > Paris, Tx > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Jim not that I know of... I havent cked into many of my husbands family but as far as he knows they were all from Louisiana and france.... could be and uncle of his dads that found the good life inTexas Jim Giddens wrote: >Barbara, > I have a Concord Cemetery plot map done by my dad. He has marked >several old graves listed as >"Piehoff" could this be your Pichoff. I read two names Cerebam Piehoff >and William Piehoff with the date between the two names of b 9-5-1856 d. >12-8-1893. Next time I am at Concord, will try to proofread the >marker, but it may only be a plain block to replace a old oak stab marking >a grave is there. >My dad may have mis read the c or an e. >Jim Giddens >Paris, Tx >Apr 5, 11:00 a.m. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Barbara Pichoff" <bpichoff@cox-internet.com> >To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 9:17 PM >Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] 27th Texas Cav. > > > > >>Kathy are you related to a IB Mitchell? Im not too sure of the IB name >>its all I have heard him called >>Thanks Barbara Chesshire Pichoff >>Franklin, Louisiana >> >>Kathy wrote: >> >> >> >>>Jim, >>>I have a document that stated where he was from and it >>>said Avery. It was on the document where he joined the >>>CSA. Now, the document could have been completed >>>later, when the town actually became Avery. That is a >>>very interesting point. I will have to do research on >>>that, when I get time. >>>Thanks for replying. >>> >>>Kathy Hutchinson Mitchell >>> >>> >>> > > >==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== >Visit Red River County GenWeb site http://www.rootsweb.com/~txredriv > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > >

Barbara, I have a Concord Cemetery plot map done by my dad. He has marked several old graves listed as "Piehoff" could this be your Pichoff. I read two names Cerebam Piehoff and William Piehoff with the date between the two names of b 9-5-1856 d. 12-8-1893. Next time I am at Concord, will try to proofread the marker, but it may only be a plain block to replace a old oak stab marking a grave is there. My dad may have mis read the c or an e. Jim Giddens Paris, Tx Apr 5, 11:00 a.m. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Pichoff" <bpichoff@cox-internet.com> To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 9:17 PM Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] 27th Texas Cav. > Kathy are you related to a IB Mitchell? Im not too sure of the IB name > its all I have heard him called > Thanks Barbara Chesshire Pichoff > Franklin, Louisiana > > Kathy wrote: > > >Jim, > >I have a document that stated where he was from and it > >said Avery. It was on the document where he joined the > >CSA. Now, the document could have been completed > >later, when the town actually became Avery. That is a > >very interesting point. I will have to do research on > >that, when I get time. > >Thanks for replying. > > > >Kathy Hutchinson Mitchell > > >

The county web-site board seems to have held my last two messages for about 36 hrs (Cynthia did say it was down) My e-mail about John is the hospital was sent by me Thursday morning around 6 a.m., but my computer received it this morning (Saturday) at 1:31 a.m. while I was fast asleep. The message about my poor folks of Hopewell was sent Thursday night at 9:28 p.m. and received by my computer at 5:08 a.m. this morning (Saturday). If John had been a nice guy, he would have stayed in the hospital a couple of more days and I would have visited him today. I was working 12 hrs days Thursday & Friday. My arthritis is telling it and I slept until 9 a.m. this morning. I did e-mail directly to many of our group pictures of my son receiving his diploma for graduating from the NCO Academy in Okinawa where he is stationed. I only received the picture via e-mail yesterday. Isn't technology today great. It is the only picture I have ever seen of him (since boot camp) 16 yrs ago) in his Class A (dress) uniform. Glad you are ok John and stay away from that Z-Pak in the future. Zithromax is what we use to call a "mycin" but in modern times the medical profession calls the "macrolide" groups which include the original macrolide, Erythromycin. As Bonnie said about the Z-Pak, (Zithromax Pak), it is very good medicine and we fill prescriptions for it many times a day, but some people are allergic. You must be one of the lucky ones. Jim Giddens Paris, Tx Saturday Apr 5, 10:20 a.m. ----- Original Message ----- From: "jhowison" <jhowison@1starnet.com> To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2003 7:29 AM Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] John Howison > Some may be disappointed to learn that I was released Friday morning and am > meaner than ever. Had a bad reaction to Zithromax, which was prescribed for > a bad cold. Apparently it is a potent drug that doesn't agree with > everybody. Hereafter, when asked whether I am allergic to anything I will > have to answer "zithromax" as well as "outdoors." That was a tube in my > nose, and my advice is don't. Actually, I think that nurse Jim talked with > speaks fine English, just doesn't have a nice RRCo accent. First time a > ever disagreed with Jim about anything!----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Giddens" <jimg@cox-internet.com> > To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 6:21 AM > Subject: [TXREDRIV] John Howison > > > > All, > > I heard John Howison is in the hospital. I just called St Joseph Hosp > here in Paris. He is in room 526. I finally got to talk to his nurse, > but her English was not good. I understand he has abdominal pain (cramps & > diarrhea) and has a I.V. that may come out today, (or was that a tube in > his nose). It is early so I did not call the room. I am on my way to > Pittsburg early this a.m. > > > > Jim Giddens > > Paris, Tx > > > > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

John, glad you are up and around. I go back Tuesday at 2 PM, so us " Seniors" can keep the medical forces going. Sam Paris ----- Original Message ----- From: "jhowison" <jhowison@1starnet.com> To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2003 8:34 AM Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] John Howison > Thanks, Bonnie. I don't have to try, to be good -- no options! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bonnie Shiro" <bon_yelle@hotmail.com> > To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2003 7:45 AM > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] John Howison > > > > John,Not the least bit disappointed! Really glad to hear you are able to > be > > mean. I thought the Z pack was good stuff,guess not for all. > > Guess you can try to be good,can't you? Bye,Bonnie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "jhowison" <jhowison@1starnet.com> > > >Reply-To: TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com > > >To: TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com > > >Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] John Howison > > >Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 07:29:45 -0600 > > > > > >Some may be disappointed to learn that I was released Friday morning and > am > > >meaner than ever. Had a bad reaction to Zithromax, which was prescribed > > >for > > >a bad cold. Apparently it is a potent drug that doesn't agree with > > >everybody. Hereafter, when asked whether I am allergic to anything I > will > > >have to answer "zithromax" as well as "outdoors." That was a tube in my > > >nose, and my advice is don't. Actually, I think that nurse Jim talked > > >with > > >speaks fine English, just doesn't have a nice RRCo accent. First time a > > >ever disagreed with Jim about anything!----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Jim Giddens" <jimg@cox-internet.com> > > >To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> > > >Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 6:21 AM > > >Subject: [TXREDRIV] John Howison > > > > > > > > > > All, > > > > I heard John Howison is in the hospital. I just called St Joseph > Hosp > > >here in Paris. He is in room 526. I finally got to talk to his > nurse, > > >but her English was not good. I understand he has abdominal pain > (cramps > > >& > > >diarrhea) and has a I.V. that may come out today, (or was that a tube in > > >his nose). It is early so I did not call the room. I am on my way > to > > >Pittsburg early this a.m. > > > > > > > > Jim Giddens > > > > Paris, Tx > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > >records, > > >go to: > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > > > > >============================== > > >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > > >go to: > > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > > > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Thanks, Bonnie. I don't have to try, to be good -- no options! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bonnie Shiro" <bon_yelle@hotmail.com> To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2003 7:45 AM Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] John Howison > John,Not the least bit disappointed! Really glad to hear you are able to be > mean. I thought the Z pack was good stuff,guess not for all. > Guess you can try to be good,can't you? Bye,Bonnie > > > > > > > >From: "jhowison" <jhowison@1starnet.com> > >Reply-To: TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com > >To: TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] John Howison > >Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 07:29:45 -0600 > > > >Some may be disappointed to learn that I was released Friday morning and am > >meaner than ever. Had a bad reaction to Zithromax, which was prescribed > >for > >a bad cold. Apparently it is a potent drug that doesn't agree with > >everybody. Hereafter, when asked whether I am allergic to anything I will > >have to answer "zithromax" as well as "outdoors." That was a tube in my > >nose, and my advice is don't. Actually, I think that nurse Jim talked > >with > >speaks fine English, just doesn't have a nice RRCo accent. First time a > >ever disagreed with Jim about anything!----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Jim Giddens" <jimg@cox-internet.com> > >To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 6:21 AM > >Subject: [TXREDRIV] John Howison > > > > > > > All, > > > I heard John Howison is in the hospital. I just called St Joseph Hosp > >here in Paris. He is in room 526. I finally got to talk to his nurse, > >but her English was not good. I understand he has abdominal pain (cramps > >& > >diarrhea) and has a I.V. that may come out today, (or was that a tube in > >his nose). It is early so I did not call the room. I am on my way to > >Pittsburg early this a.m. > > > > > > Jim Giddens > > > Paris, Tx > > > > > > > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > >records, > >go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > >============================== > >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > >go to: > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > >

John,Not the least bit disappointed! Really glad to hear you are able to be mean. I thought the Z pack was good stuff,guess not for all. Guess you can try to be good,can't you? Bye,Bonnie >From: "jhowison" <jhowison@1starnet.com> >Reply-To: TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com >To: TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] John Howison >Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 07:29:45 -0600 > >Some may be disappointed to learn that I was released Friday morning and am >meaner than ever. Had a bad reaction to Zithromax, which was prescribed >for >a bad cold. Apparently it is a potent drug that doesn't agree with >everybody. Hereafter, when asked whether I am allergic to anything I will >have to answer "zithromax" as well as "outdoors." That was a tube in my >nose, and my advice is don't. Actually, I think that nurse Jim talked >with >speaks fine English, just doesn't have a nice RRCo accent. First time a >ever disagreed with Jim about anything!----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jim Giddens" <jimg@cox-internet.com> >To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 6:21 AM >Subject: [TXREDRIV] John Howison > > > > All, > > I heard John Howison is in the hospital. I just called St Joseph Hosp >here in Paris. He is in room 526. I finally got to talk to his nurse, >but her English was not good. I understand he has abdominal pain (cramps >& >diarrhea) and has a I.V. that may come out today, (or was that a tube in >his nose). It is early so I did not call the room. I am on my way to >Pittsburg early this a.m. > > > > Jim Giddens > > Paris, Tx > > > > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy >records, >go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > >==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

Some may be disappointed to learn that I was released Friday morning and am meaner than ever. Had a bad reaction to Zithromax, which was prescribed for a bad cold. Apparently it is a potent drug that doesn't agree with everybody. Hereafter, when asked whether I am allergic to anything I will have to answer "zithromax" as well as "outdoors." That was a tube in my nose, and my advice is don't. Actually, I think that nurse Jim talked with speaks fine English, just doesn't have a nice RRCo accent. First time a ever disagreed with Jim about anything!----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Giddens" <jimg@cox-internet.com> To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 6:21 AM Subject: [TXREDRIV] John Howison > All, > I heard John Howison is in the hospital. I just called St Joseph Hosp here in Paris. He is in room 526. I finally got to talk to his nurse, but her English was not good. I understand he has abdominal pain (cramps & diarrhea) and has a I.V. that may come out today, (or was that a tube in his nose). It is early so I did not call the room. I am on my way to Pittsburg early this a.m. > > Jim Giddens > Paris, Tx > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > >

Kathy are you related to a IB Mitchell? Im not too sure of the IB name its all I have heard him called Thanks Barbara Chesshire Pichoff Franklin, Louisiana Kathy wrote: >Jim, >I have a document that stated where he was from and it >said Avery. It was on the document where he joined the >CSA. Now, the document could have been completed >later, when the town actually became Avery. That is a >very interesting point. I will have to do research on >that, when I get time. >Thanks for replying. > >Kathy Hutchinson Mitchell > >--- Jim Giddens <jimg@cox-internet.com> wrote: > > >>If I remember Eddie's writing on Avery, It did not >>exist until the railroad >>put in a watering stop for the train and I believe >>that was in the 1870s. >>Check me out on that. Well I am on my way to see >>Connie Anderson >>Somerville that living and works at home in the old >>Robbinsville location. >>She does my taxes. The Somervilles have owned and >>farmed that land for >>over 150 years. >>Later, >>Jim Giddens >>Paris, Tx >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Kathy" <kmitchell32@yahoo.com> >>To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 10:02 AM >>Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] 27th Texas Cav. >> >> >> >> >>>Jim, the documents that I have states that he was >>>living in the Avery area. >>>I don't know how far Avery extended back in those >>> >>> >>days >> >> >>>of 1862. John C and great grandmother Sarah A >>>Williams (from the English area) were married on >>>Christmas Day 1866. >>> >>>Kathy Hutchinson Mitchell >>> >>>--- Jim Giddens <jimg@cox-internet.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Kathy, >>>> Do you know where your Hutchinsons were living >>>>during that time. Was it >>>>in the Concord/White Rock area? >>>>Later, >>>>Jim Giddens >>>>Paris, Tx >>>>p.s. I will check in late tonight >>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: "Kathy" <kmitchell32@yahoo.com> >>>>To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 10:55 PM >>>>Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] 27th Texas Cav. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Hello Jim and Tom, >>>>>I am following Y'alls text with great >>>>> >>>>> >>interest. >> >> >>>>My >>>> >>>> >>>>>Confederate Ancestor Great Granddaddy >>>>>John C Hutchinson enlisted March 7, 1862 at >>>>>Clarksville, TX. He enlisted in Company F 1st >>>>> >>>>> >>>>Texas >>>> >>>> >>>>>Legion 27th Cavalry. John C daddy was Nelson >>>>> >>>>> >>B >> >> >>>>>Hutchinson that was also a early member of the >>>>> >>>>> >>>>Concord >>>> >>>> >>>>>Church. >>>>>Y'all keep on talking. Very interesting. >>>>> >>>>>Kathy Hutchinson Mitchell >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>--- Jim Giddens <jimg@cox-internet.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Tom, John Giddens joined the 27 Cav Mar >>>>>> >>>>>> >>7, >> >> >>>>in >>>> >>>> >>>>>>Clarksville by Ed West for >>>>>>a period of 12 months.1862, 3 days earlier >>>>>> >>>>>> >>than >> >> >>>>>>your GG GF. My >>>>>>imagination could get to moving here. >>>>>>Jim Giddens >>>>>>Paris,Tx >>>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>From: "Tom Watson DDS" >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>><tom_watson_dds@hotmail.com> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>>>Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 11:25 AM >>>>>>Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] 27th Texas Cav. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>JimmyG, >>>>>>> Funny how our paths have always run >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>together >> >> >>>>and >>>> >>>> >>>>>>crossed several >>>>>>times.My >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>GGGrandfather was 2Lt.Henry McAlister of >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>the >> >> >>>>27th >>>> >>>> >>>>>>Texas Cav..He joined the >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>cause on March 10,1862 on the Clarksville >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>square, >>>> >>>> >>>>>>3 days after yours >>>>>>joined. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>He was;however, in Co.H.. Records show >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>that >> >> >>>>>>Companies E,F and H enlistees >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>were from Clarksville and Red River >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>County. I >> >> >>>>have >>>> >>>> >>>>>>a copy of a letter >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>stating that he "Received permission to go >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>the >> >> >>>>>>rear of the enemy for the >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>purpose of mounting himself. I have heard >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>frequently that he succeeded in >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>mounting all the men he carried with him >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>and >> >> >>>>is >>>> >>>> >>>>>>now acting as a >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>guerilla."signed:Maj.John Whitfield,Ross's >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>Brig.,Jackson's Cav Div. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>Sept.29,1864. >>>>>>> Federal records show 2ndLt Henry >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>mcAlister >> >> >>>>was >>>> >>>> >>>>>>captured Sept.13,1864 at >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>Stilesboro Ga..He was later sent to >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>Johnson's >> >> >>>>>>Island Prison for >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>Confed.Officers. He was there until >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>release on >> >> >>>>>>June 16,1865. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> My GMother said she didn't remember a >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>day >> >> >>>>that >>>> >>>> >>>>>>he didn't say someting >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>about those "Yellow Bellied Yankies". I >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>have >> >> >>>>read >>>> >>>> >>>>>>reports about the >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>treatment the men in Johnsons Island got >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>and I >> >> >>>>can >>>> >>>> >>>>>>understand his >>>>>>feelings. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>It was reported that during one night in >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>the >> >> >>>>>>winter 400 officers died >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>...froze to death.How much did fire cost? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>I'm >> >> >>>>sure >>>> >>>> >>>>>>the southern prisons >>>>>>were >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>bad also. >>>>>>> Henry was married to Clarica Jane >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>Rogers,a >> >> >>>>>>granddaughter of Capt. >>>>>>William >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>Becknell. Becknell was the commanding >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>officer >> >> >>>>of >>>> >>>> >>>>>>the Red River Blues,the >>>>>>men >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>from the Clarksville area that went to >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>fight >> >> >>>>at >>>> >>>> >>>>>>San Jacinto.John Stiles >>>>>>and >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>James Clark were members of this unit.I >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>would >> >> >>>>bet >>>> >>>> >>>>>>that there was a Giddens >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>or two in the group. >>>>>>> Jim, it's funny how we connect in so >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>many >> >> >>>>ways >>>> >>>> >>>>>>but never met until we >>>>>>did >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>through this site. We did and found we >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>were >> >> >>>>double >>>> >>>> >>>>>>second cousins. I guess >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>we crossed so many times we had to doubled >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>up >> >> >>>>>>someplace. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Tom >>>>>>> Heath,TX >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>From: "Jim Giddens" >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >><jimg@cox-internet.com> >> >> >>>>>>>>Reply-To: TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com >>>>>>>>To: TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com >>>>>>>>Subject: [TXREDRIV] First born in RR Co// >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>Giddens >>>> >>>> >>>>>>Research >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 09:44:40 -0600 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>(I first sent this to my Giddens group, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>but >> >> >>>>>>decided to send it to the RR >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>Co list also) >>>>>>>>(feel free to delete if not interested) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Giddens research: >>>>>>>>I have just read in a book (Gateway to >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>Texas) >> >> >>>>of >>>> >>>> >>>>>>pioneer families that >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>legend has it that John W Stiles was the >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>first >>>> >>>> >>>>>>white person born in Red >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>River Co., Aug 30, 1833. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>My records show that the 6th child for >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>Richard F >>>> >>>> >>>>>>& Jane Giddens, John >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>Giddens was born in Red River Co. May >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>18, >> >> >>>>1833. >>>> >>>> >>>>>> This John Giddens >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>married Sarah J Stiles, May 1, 1853 in >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>RR >> >> >>>>Co. >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>John died as a CSA soldier in Aberdeen, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>Miss. >> >> >>>>>>Not sure if he died of >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>wound or of disease. >>>>>>>>I have had to assume that John was buried >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>in >> >> >>>>>>Aberdeen but have never >>>>>>found >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>documentation on that. Sarah J Stiles >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>Giddens >>>> >>>> >>>>>>is buried at the English >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>Cemetery. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>The books also states John Wesley Stiles >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>joined >>>> >>>> >>>>>>the 27th Cavalry and >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>assigned to Company F. >>>>>>>>I have a copy of the Company Muster Roll. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>It >>>> >>>> >>>>>>show John Giddens was in >>>>>>the >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>same 27 Cav. of Texas and in Co. F. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>John >> >> >>>>>>Giddens enlisted March 7, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>1862, He was listed absent in June, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>1862 >> >> >>>>and >>>> >>>> >>>>>>in Aug roll was listed >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>under remarks: Died July 11 Aberdeen >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>Miss. >> >> >>>>>>>>John Wesley Stiles parents were John >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>Stiles >> >> >>>>and >>>> >>>> >>>>>>Sarah Reed Stiles that >>>>>>are >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>both buried at Concord only a few feet >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>from >> >> >>>>my >>>> >>>> >>>>>>GGG GF Richar F Giddens >>>>>>and >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>his wife Jane. >>>>>>>>The elder John Stiles was known for being >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>a >> >> >>>>>>friend and host of Sam >>>>>>Houston >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>& Davie Crockett. >>>>>>>>He was a veteran of the Tex Rev War. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>The >> >> >>>>land >>>> >>>> >>>>>>of these two men were >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>sepeared by the land owned by Edward >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>Hughart. >> >> >>>>>>>>Seems to me it is a good chance that John >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>Giddens >>>> >>>> >>>>>>was the first white >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>person born in Red River Co. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>This John Giddens is a younger brother of >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>my >> >> >>>>GG >>>> >>>> >>>>>>GF Wiley W Giddens >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>Another brother James Richard Giddens was >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>a >> >> >>>>Lt in >>>> >>>> >>>>>>the CSA and died of >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>wounds received 9 days earlier at the >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>Battle >> >> >>>>of >>>> >>>> >>>>>>Dove Creek on the Indian >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>frontier in Jan 1865. The batte was a >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>few >> >> >>>>miles >>>> >>>> >>>>>>west of what is now San >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>Angelo, Tx >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Jim Giddens >>>>>>>>Paris, Tx >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>============================== >>>>>>>>To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>billion >>>> >>>> >>>>>>online genealogy records, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>go to: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >> >> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >_________________________________________________________________ > > >>>>>>>Tired of spam? 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Hello list....l want to apologize for another change...our server is having problems ...usually it is me having the problems...however...our email address will NOT be jazek 41 at livingston net...it is jbrodie@livingston.net this hopefully is the last change...thank you all...and God bless us all.. jan & tom brodie

For some years ending about 1930, when a new High School Building to which the still-standing gymnasium was later added, a two-story red brick school house locate 100 yds or so west of the present gym, served as Bogata's elementary school. Someone will have to remind me where high school classes were meeting. The red brick school house had four classrooms on the ground floor, one on each corner: 1st grade on the SW, second on the SE, 3rd on the NE, and 4th on the SE. A central hall ran north and south, with the door on the south end handling traffic to the outdoor sanitary (?) facilities on the SW corner of the school ground. Each of the classrooms had a "cloakroom" adjoining it, with a potbellied coal stove surrounded by a vertical metal baffle that dispersed the heat upwards and downwards located at the "outside" end of the cloakroom. Each classroom had a blackboard that was actually black rather than green. To ask teacher's permission to visit the outdoor inconveniences, a child held up one or two fingers, according to need; if the matter were urgent, the child could stand up while raising the signal, ready for a quick dash when the teacher nodded. Upstairs there was an auditorium and two more classrooms. Can anyone out there supply a picture of this school house? I would particularly value a photo that shows the north door with its brass doorknob. If anyone happens to own that doorknob, please check to see if a patch of the skin of my tongue is still attached. During a freezing spell in the winter of '32-'33, A. D. Stephenson told me that icy brass tasted funny and I should taste the doorknob with the tip of my tongue. A. D. can not remember this incident----- Original Message ----- From: <drew-slate@charter.net> To: "jhowison" <jhowison@1starnet.com> Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 8:37 PM Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] just talk > John, > First let me say that I respect your views and appreciate your help on this > matter. > > The problem I have is this is not a case of eminent domain in the way that > it has been explained to me. My initial issue was with the Army Corp of > Engineers doing this, thus a govt agency taking the land of owners without > their consent. Since then, I have been told this is being done by PRIVATE > companies and organizations. Is this correct or not? If it is then Eminent > Domain shouldn't apply because eminent domain is the act of the govt taking > land and giving some compensation according to the Constitution, Article 5 I > believe. Sidenote, compensation is not explained or defined at any place in > the said document. This doesn't scare you? > > Also, everyone that has been in some kind of favor for this keeps talking > in dreams to me about the economy of the county and all of the mountains of > money it will produce. This is nothing more than a dream. This area will > not grow until the larger metro areas grow out to it. Simply look at the > surrounding counties of DFW. Some of them were very very bad off until > Dallas and Fort Worth started booming in the 90s because of the economy. I > saw my mother's hometown go from a 3A to a middle sized 5A high school in a > few short years. I have seen communities of a few hundred go to tens of > thousands over the last 10 years. Why? Because the larger town couldn't > hold it and the people wanted to be spread out a little more. There are > still no major companies in these smaller communities and alot of the > utilities they get come from Dallas or Fort Worth. Believe me on this one, > I have been researching it for the last 3 years trying to figure out where I > can buy some land and a new home without going in the hole $250K. > > Yes, there have been times in the past that the small guy loses but there > have also been just as many that the small guy wins. Just recently, > Wal-Mart tried in two locations in the metroplex to force people to move and > also endanger certain wildlife. Both situation they lost and built in a > different location that was more pleasing to the community. We have these > fights constantly around here and the results are pretty well split. There > was an old lady that keep her house on S. Cooper in Arlington for about 5 > years until she died, it was sitting in front of the brand new mall they > built at the time. She wouldn't move the town people backed her. > > Also, I doubt very very seriously that this lake project would ripple > effect 100,000s of jobs. This quite a big step since FW only has a few > hundred thousand and it is the 4 or 5th largest city in the state. I can > see the county maybe tripling in size and that would be good, but nothing to > produce what some people are thinking. There is nothing wrong with dreaming > until it is time to make the decision. Then reality sets in and that is > what is happening in this project I believe. > > Bottom line: WE have the power to do what it RIGHT. What is right is > leaving the dead to rest in peace and working around them. > > Thanks for the stimulating discussion. Most people back off and run away > when someone disagrees with them. You are the only one that has continued > the conversation when I question the opposite view. Actually, I am not sure > what is "best" for the county since I don't know it that well, but I know > making people rethink their view helps everyone. > > Drew > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "jhowison" <jhowison@1starnet.com> > To: <drew-slate@charter.net> > Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 6:09 PM > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] just talk > > > > Drew, you might want to "Google" for "eminent domain" to find that there > are > > those you will agree with and those not. The doctrine evolved as a way > the > > good of the many could be served with minimum injury to the few. History > > suggests to me that when hundreds of thousands of jobs are balanced > against > > my family homesite and the removal of my family graves to a new site, I am > > going to lose; and that it will be the same for those who want no damage > to > > the environment vs. minimal damage to the environment. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <drew-slate@charter.net> > > To: "jhowison" <jhowison@1starnet.com> > > Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 9:41 PM > > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] just talk > > > > > > > Hi John, > > > > > > Thanks for the input. I am beginning to get a grasp on some of this. > > The > > > problem I have though is this little section that you wrote about... > > > > > > The Marvin Nichols site, not yet defined in detail, will indeed flood > some > > > > > gravesites and other "heritage"sites, including ones in Red River > > > County. > > > > > The Authority will have to pay for the graves' relocation, the > amount > > > > > varying according to the expense of the move. Just as in the case > of > > > > > highway construction, the land of private owners whose land will be > > > > covered or "mitigated" for the project will be bought from them by > > > time-honored > > > > > procedures, on the "eminent domain" principle. Your dictionary can > > > > define this phrase better than I can. > > > > > > Honestly, this is deeply disturbing to me. Allowing our government and > > > large companies to eliminate our history is quite a big problem that has > > > been happening for years. This needs to stop. These type of projects > > > justify their proposals by things like estimated revenues and progress. > > > Well, take it from someone that lives in a fairly large town, Fort > Worth, > > > this is not always true. Not to long ago, Dallas had a similar issue > with > > > an expansion of a major road. After all of the news stations got > involved > > > and many many citizens a cemetery was moved the proper way but under > MAJOR > > > protest. To bad really, but that is done in the name of progress. > > > > > > The problem is, the land owners get their money and rightfully so, but > > what > > > do those that can't defend themselves get. They get moved from the > place > > > they wanted to be their final resting place. If someone can't see the > > > problem with that I would ask them if they would like it if their > parents > > or > > > grandparents were dug up and moved for the purpose of someone else to > make > > > money. Not to mention historical sites that will never be able to be > > > visited by the next generation. I know I wouldn't be happy if it was > the > > > Slate or Bluff Cemeteries in danger. I would bet Jim Giddens wouldn't > > like > > > it if the Concord Cemetery was in danger. > > > > > > I don't know how big of a history buff you are, but I am a huge one and > > love > > > to visit old sites and battlefields. This is becoming harder and harder > > > because our society today doesn't care about this sort of thing. They > are > > > more worried about money and progress. Well, that is all fine and good, > > but > > > I have been all over this country and there are plenty of places that > have > > > no historical value or any other value for that matter that could be > > > developed for these type of needs, lakes, power plants, urban areas, > etc. > > > The reason they are not is because of two things, greed and closeness. > We > > > all want to have it all and within a few miles of each other. A great > > > example of this sort of situation is Civil War battlefields throughout > the > > > South. Some states protect them tremendously, some don't. > > > > > > I am not trying to cause any problems with my questions or comments, > just > > > trying to get people to wake up and see that this hobby that we love so > > much > > > is being threatened for what, money. Yes, it would probably help the > > > economy of the county, but it isn't going to put it back to where it was > > 100 > > > years ago. There are 100 counties just like RR over the state that > > struggle > > > every year and they seem to get by for the next. Big companies just > don't > > > come to a county because of one thing, ask Jack Co. about that one. > There > > > has to be a very solid infrastructure built up first and that takes > time. > > > You are correct though that water is a big part of this though, so keep > it > > > in the county and not sell it to an area that has more than enough now > and > > > many ways to expand it. There is nothing wrong with trying to improve > > one's > > > county or area, but not at the price of what other's fought and died > for. > > > > > > A little more of our history dies everyday in the name of progress. > Well, > > > it is time for those of us who are trying to preserve it a little, stand > > up > > > and say enough is enough. We can be more something without giving up > our > > > morals and sense of right and wrong. > > > > > > One last thing to keep in mind...DFW has plenty of lakes and water right > > > now. They are always improving this capacity. Why are they asking > > someone > > > else to build this lake? Because they don't want to do it in their own > > > backyard, bottom line. I live here, I know the people, believe me, they > > > don't do anything to help others, it's all about me me me. Welcome to > > > Dallas! > > > > > > Thanks for the input and information. It has been very helpful. Sorry > > > about the soapbox... > > > > > > Drew > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "jhowison" <jhowison@1starnet.com> > > > To: <drew-slate@charter.net> > > > Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 8:58 PM > > > Subject: Fw: [TXREDRIV] just talk > > > > > > > > > > I sent this to the group, but it apparently never appeared. If you > have > > > > already seen it, I apologize for the duplication. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "jhowison" <jhowison@1starnet.com> > > > > To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 3:21 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] just talk > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drew, this one is not a Corps of engineers lake -- theirs are flood > > > > control > > > > > projects, and the Marvin Nichols lake is a water resources project, > > > under > > > > > the control of the Sulphur River Basin Authority (SRBA)a body of > > > (unpaid) > > > > > local representatives appointed by the governor. I was a member of > > the > > > > > board a few years ago, so have some acquaintance with the project. > It > > > is > > > > > not expected to be built for a couple of decades, more or less. All > > > water > > > > > in Texas belongs to the State, not the landowners, and has been > > > developed > > > > > when required to meet the water needs of Texas' growing industry and > > > > growing > > > > > population. > > > > > > > > > > The Marvin Nichols site, not yet defined in detail, will indeed > flood > > > some > > > > > gravesites and other "heritage"sites, including ones in Red River > > > County. > > > > > The Authority will have to pay for the graves' relocation, the > amount > > > > > varying according to the expense of the move. Just as in the case > of > > > > > highway construction, the land of private owners whose land will be > > > > covered > > > > > or "mitigated" for the project will be bought from them by > > time-honored > > > > > procedures, on the "eminent domain" principle. Your dictionary can > > > > define > > > > > this phrase better than I can. > > > > > As has always been the experience throughout Texas, the water > > > impounded > > > > > will be a tremendous economic and fiscal boon to the area. > Professors > > > at > > > > > North Texas State University estimate that even at today's prices > the > > > > > economic benefit to the area, conservatively estimated, will be well > > up > > > in > > > > > the $Nine-figure range. Red River County's 80-year economic decline > > > will > > > > be > > > > > reversed. > > > > > Naturally some affected landowners (particularly heirs of the folks > > > listed > > > > > in Lawrence and Sue Dale's Red River County cemetery book) are up in > > > arms > > > > . > > > > > For some reason, lake projects always arouse a lot more vocal > > opposition > > > > of > > > > > this kind than do highway projects, which often involve much more > > > private > > > > > land. > > > > > Fortunately, the law creating the SRBA gives control over the > > > arrangements > > > > > for financing the project (which will cost up in ten figures) to the > > > > Region. > > > > > After water is reserved for the needs of the area, the DFW > metroplex, > > > > which > > > > > will buy or market most of the SRBA bonds, will be the principal > user > > of > > > > the > > > > > impounded water. > > > > > > > > > > If anyone is interested, I could post SRBA's address so that > questions > > > can > > > > > be more authoritatively answered. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "DREW SLATE" <drew-slate@charter.net> > > > > > To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 8:35 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] just talk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is this new lake the one that will be over on the > > > > > > Bowie/Red River county line? I have spoken with Lawrence > > > > > > about a new lake that is going to cause some serious > > > > > > cemetery problems. It appears in present plans that there > > > > > > will be a few cememteries that will be UNDER water. > > > > > > Anyone have any information on this? I will dig up the > > > > > > last email I got my Lawrence on it and maybe that will > > > > > > help. If I remember correctly it will in the SE area of > > > > > > the county. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Drew Slate > > > > > > Fort Worth, Tx > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 26 Mar 2003 04:55:12 -0600 > > > > > > "jhowison" <jhowison@1starnet.com> wrote: > > > > > > >Thanks, Sam, for the reminder. The "Main Street" project > > > > > > >is really an > > > > > > >upper. Becky Hale is the Honcho, and doing a super job. > > > > > > > Any alums visiting > > > > > > >Clarksville will be glad they stopped by her "shop" on > > > > > > >the north side of the > > > > > > >square. > > > > > > >Unfortunately, Clarksville's economy won't turn around > > > > > > >until they build > > > > > > >Marvin Nichols lake, but that is some years in the future > > > > > > >-- some folks > > > > > > >oppose the lake anyway. But we can hope that the > > > > > > >county's economy has > > > > > > >already "bottomed out." > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > >From: "sam embrey" <sembrey@cox-internet.com> > > > > > > >To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > >Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 3:03 AM > > > > > > >Subject: [TXREDRIV] just talk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> I feel sure that many of you know already, but in case > > > > > > >>you don't, pull up > > > > > > >the Paris News on your computer, and you will find it > > > > > > >full of Clarksville > > > > > > >happenings. Also, for a change, most of it seems good, > > > > > > >and GOD knows it is > > > > > > >time some of the bad stuff is not the main issues. Who > > > > > > >knows, the old girl > > > > > > >might be on it's way back, at least we can hope so. > > > > > > >> Sam > > > > > > >> Paris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >