I have a picture taken in 1938 of a young lady, Lida McDonald, Bagwell, Tx, according to the name on the back. Does anyone know her? I don't. Jim Giddens Paris, Tx

Max, just wondering if you knew Harry Love? His wife was named Mable, and they were buried in Cooper, Texas. Very good friend of mine. Sam from Paris ----- Original Message ----- From: <MAXSHUMAKE@aol.com> To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2003 5:03 PM Subject: [TXREDRIV] Love's Hi All I got this from a cuz on the Mauldin side or I should say the Love side from Cuthand, Red River County, Texas. See if this makes any of the pieces fit. hi, i know it's been awhile, but i just wanted to keep you updated with what i've found, i found shave in the 1910 bowie census, he does not go by shave in any of the census, his name is MOUNTIGUE J LOVE, he is there along with grandpa thomas love and some more of my gr. uncles, and lizzy too, also found him in redriver county in 1870 with his dad A.P LOVE,sister mary and brother adam who i think married nancy patton, and he is in the 1880 as M.G. LOVE, every census his name is spelt differnt but with the same family, also found viola and laura love living in the same house, 1920 bowie viola is married to ASA BASS, I PROMISE YOU AS SOON AS I GET ALL MY STUFF FROM PAPER TO COMPUTER YOU WILL BE THE FIRST I SEND IT TO. i also found shaves dad with a list of children........adam p.love1813 gamary love 1814tnalexander love-1831 aljohn love1834 almary love 1837 aljames love 1839 almary love 1845 almontacue love 1850 al, now i really wonder where the nickname SHAVE comes from.adam david love1853 al- died nov 1918 redriver cnty, married nancy jane patton 1854 ar,died 1910 redriver cnty.......... thanks for your patientce with me.........peggy love harris Rt. 1 Box 277A DeKalb, Texas 75559 903-667-5033 Mobile 903-244-1747 ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

I just want to share this genealogy joy with you. ___________________________________________________________________________________ I was looking through a box of old pictures in search of a picture my son had requested. I found a letter written by "Hazel" to my dad in 1987 from Fountain Valley, Calif. The post mark is Santa Ana, Ca. The envelope had a return address with full name. I looked up the family name (Childress) and address on yahoo people search and called the phone number. Tom Childress answered the phone. I told him I felt me must be related some how but did not know how. After several minutes of crasping for straws, I finally mentioned the name Crabtree. Yes, his grand mother and my grandmother Giddens were Crabtree sisters. We then proceeded to enjoy confirming other family members. Tom was raised in Dallas a remembers twice being at a family reunion at White Rock (near Clarksville) that I was at also. We both remember a great corn cob fight in the barn of my dad's aunt Flora Thompson. Tom is 57 years of age now (I am 61) Hazel and is 95 years old and is in fair condition. Tom & I exchanged e-mail addresses and I am sure we will be exchanging more memories. Jim Giddens Paris, Tx

I was think that I probably had a copy, but I guess I was wrong. I can't find it. I have definitely hear of it and will see what I can find out about it if you need me to. Jim Giddens Paris, Tx actually Reno (about 3 miles from the sign that points north from US 82 and reads "Post Oak 6 miles" ----- Original Message ----- From: <Shewulf82@aol.com> To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 8:17 PM Subject: [TXREDRIV] Question > Hi List, > Has anyone read "It Happened In Post Oak(Or Thereabouts)-A Slice of Lamar and > Red River County History"? I was wondering if it has a list of people in it > or is it just about events that happened in the area? Is it worth my Library > buying? > Thanks, > Carol Tyler Scarborough > China Spring, Texas > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

This weeks Clarksville Times has a picture of the "old blue Victorian house" on east Main. The owner Scott St. James and friend Val Burton are on the top of it putting on a new roof. Renovation on the inside continues also and plans are to make office spaces downstairs. Jim G

The following obit is from the Paris News.It is the obit of a great grandson of my deceased Uncle Charlie Watson and grandson of my cousin Billy C Watson. I never met the 25 year old. I plan to be at the funeral. Jim Giddens Paris, Tx ________________________________________________________________________________ Obituaries for April 17, 2003 Antony Billy Vourakis CLARKSVILLE - Antony Billy Vourakis, 25, of Tyler, formerly of Detroit, died Tuesday, April 15, 2003, in Tyler. Funeral services are set for 2 p.m. Friday, April 18, in Lindeman Chapel. Burial will follow in Knights of Honor Cemetery in Blossom. Arrangements are under the direction of Clarksville Funeral Home. The family will receive friends from 7 to 8 p.m. Thursday, April 17, at the funeral home. He was born Dec. 26, 1977, in Dallas, the son of Carlos and Lorrie Watson Vourakis. He was a painter and a member of the Church of God. Survivors include his mother, Lorrie Vourakis, of Detroit; his father, Carlos Vourakis, of Lima, Peru; grandparents, Lottie Watson of Detroit, Billy C. Watson of Tyler and Maritza Vourakis of Lima, Peru; and a sister, Rebecca Lawrence, of Detroit.

Hi List, Has anyone read "It Happened In Post Oak(Or Thereabouts)-A Slice of Lamar and Red River County History"? I was wondering if it has a list of people in it or is it just about events that happened in the area? Is it worth my Library buying? Thanks, Carol Tyler Scarborough China Spring, Texas

Carol, go to http://www.rootsweb.com/~txredriv/sources.html and look down the page for the info about the book. It has a link to a page that has an every name index. Cynthia ----- Original Message ----- From: <Shewulf82@aol.com> To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 8:17 PM Subject: [TXREDRIV] Question > Hi List, > Has anyone read "It Happened In Post Oak(Or Thereabouts)-A Slice of Lamar and > Red River County History"? I was wondering if it has a list of people in it > or is it just about events that happened in the area? Is it worth my Library > buying? > Thanks, > Carol Tyler Scarborough > China Spring, Texas > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

The pastor at a small church in Tate Co, MS, removed all of the tombstones so he could mow without having to go around them. Then he wound up throwing them in a ditch behind the church. I didn't believe this story until I looked for myself. Sure enough the stones were all broken up. Some were retrieved and put back but very few. I can''t imagine a congregation letting this happen but they did. Wanda

What a sad situation...I wish it was less common, but I have heard way to many stories like this to think differently. My family actually has one like that on private property. While I understand that people can do what they want with their land it is sad to me that people have such disrepect for those before them. Of course, there are many stories of people saving these old cemeteries and restoring them. We also have a family cemetery on someone's ranch that they put up a fence and are in the process of replacing the broken or nonreadable markers at their cost. The family was going to do this and the owners said nope we will take care of it. I will have to say that I am very disappointed to hear of a pastor doing this though. Doesn't send much of a Christian message does it. Thanks, Drew Slate Fort Worth, Tx ----- Original Message ----- From: <Granwan2@wmconnect.com> To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 6:01 PM Subject: [TXREDRIV] Cemetery > The pastor at a small church in Tate Co, MS, removed all of the tombstones so > he could mow without having to go around them. Then he wound up throwing them > in a ditch behind the church. I didn't believe this story until I looked for > myself. Sure enough the stones were all broken up. Some were retrieved and > put back but very few. I can''t imagine a congregation letting this happen > but they did. > Wanda > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

This is my second time to send #2. I never received it back the first time. Jim Giddens 10:14 p.m. Apr 15 ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Giddens To: Red River County Roots Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 10:00 PM Subject: Fw: Restoring on E Main this is #2 and still one more. Jim G ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Giddens To: Red River County Roots Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 11:22 AM Subject: Restoring on E Main I just talked to Ben Black of the C-Times. I informed him of Cynthia's message about the tombstones. It seem there is a man that has a get-a-way home in Red River Co that replaces old markers with new ones and then just discards the old ones. Not sure if that is the same case as these 2 markers. Ben said he even concreted over one entire cemetery. Did not get all the details on this but Ben told me approx where it was. Sounds strange to me. Ben definitely does not agree with the man doing this unannounced, so to speak. We feel the man believes he is doing a very good thing at his own expense. I think he is doing a good thing, but he should contact the family to seek their wishes and to strongly consider the future of the old markers. They should be preserved if at all possible. Ben say his wife corrected his newspaper statement about a bed & breakfast in the old house. She understood the man to say he would have bedrooms upstairs (and maybe a kitchen area so some food could be fixed) Ben shook me this morning on the phone when he said he went by the house and it had been leveled. He mean the house is now "level". (setting up straight). The Times does list in the paper their phone and fax numbers and there e-mail address alone with their smail address if anyone is interested. The managing editor is: Ben Black Jim Giddens Paris, Tx

Ok this is # 3 and the last one for now. I know these are repeats, but maybe some of us were not on board then. Jim Giddens p.s. plus the board is still quiet. Apr 15, 2003 10:05 p.m. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Giddens" <jimg@cox-internet.com> To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 9:48 PM Subject: [TXREDRIV] Clarksville Cemetery//Rambling > I made a quick stop at the old "Clarksville Cemetery" on Washington Street. Almost the first marker I saw was Johnson. Sure enough, it was John R Johnson died Dec 1889 and wife D.J. Johnson. A few feet below them was another John R Johnson born Jan 1889. and a female beside him. I forget all the dates etc, but I took pictures that I will develop later. All their markers appear to be fairly new, definitely not 100 years old. The marker for wife was much larger that that of her husband. I honestly think I could spend hours or days in that (and other) cemeteries just reading it like a history book, trying to figure out the relation the people that are buried in the same area. The maiden names, son of or daughter of, mother. I still want to take time to piece this Johnson family together a little more. Was D.J. (Della I think) the wife or is it another etc. > Walking through the cemetery was names as Donoho, Dinwiddie (sp), DeMorse and several names I remember hearing in my youth. Also this is where the "Hanging Tree" is. > I plan to walk the cemetery across from the Catholic Church soon, where Clark is buried. I did take some more pictures today of the old blue house to be restores. I notice there was charred wooden frames around the windows on the northwest corner of the house, telling of a fire inside the house in recent years. I saw none on the other windows. I could see were leveling of the house had been done. > Played dominoes with my Dad today. He is not himself, but he is still sharp at the game. > > Jim Giddens > Paris, Tx > > > > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

this is #2 and still one more. Jim G ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Giddens To: Red River County Roots Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 11:22 AM Subject: Restoring on E Main I just talked to Ben Black of the C-Times. I informed him of Cynthia's message about the tombstones. It seem there is a man that has a get-a-way home in Red River Co that replaces old markers with new ones and then just discards the old ones. Not sure if that is the same case as these 2 markers. Ben said he even concreted over one entire cemetery. Did not get all the details on this but Ben told me approx where it was. Sounds strange to me. Ben definitely does not agree with the man doing this unannounced, so to speak. We feel the man believes he is doing a very good thing at his own expense. I think he is doing a good thing, but he should contact the family to seek their wishes and to strongly consider the future of the old markers. They should be preserved if at all possible. Ben say his wife corrected his newspaper statement about a bed & breakfast in the old house. She understood the man to say he would have bedrooms upstairs (and maybe a kitchen area so some food could be fixed) Ben shook me this morning on the phone when he said he went by the house and it had been leveled. He mean the house is now "level". (setting up straight). The Times does list in the paper their phone and fax numbers and there e-mail address alone with their smail address if anyone is interested. The managing editor is: Ben Black Jim Giddens Paris, Tx

Here is the e-mail about the old blue house I sent over 6 months ago. I will also send my follow up message. Jim Giddens Paris, Tx ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Giddens To: Red River County Roots Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 10:03 PM Subject: Restoring Old Blue//OT Clarksville Times today: VICTORIAN HOUSE BEING RESTORED There is a picture on the front page of Scott St John of Sanibel, Florida standing in front of the old blue house at 407 E Main near the Catholic Church in Clarksville. We have talked about it before. St John is in the process of restoring the house. He says he will put 4 office spaces on the first floor and bed & breakfast rooms on the second floor. The house was built in 1880 for Dr E.S. Look by Otto Glosnup to quote the paper. There were two tombstone found in an upstairs room. They are inscribed : Agnes P Henderson June 7, 1826-July 1, 1890 and John R Johnson Jan 10, 1843-Dec 6, 1889. If any one knows who these people are or where the tombstones really belong or how they came to be in the house, please contact the Times office at 427-5616. I have certainly glad to see this house being restored. The past owners of the house are: Look, Rigsby, Leila & Seth King, Byron Black Jr, Riddel, and now St John. This is the house with the extensive frill-work and decorative brackets under the eaves suggesting a Swiss Chalet. I stuck my camera into one of the broken small windows a few months ago and blindly snapped two pictures. The pictures came out fine, but just plain walls, nothing exciting. Jim Giddens Paris, Tx

Thanks Nina! I hadn't thought to even look at the archives until I noticed yesterday that the Dawes record on Ancestry.com came from there. I wondered if it was all still there and accessible. I will pass on the information. Appreciate the help, Drew On Tue, 15 Apr 2003 07:51:21 -0400 NFLTARVER@aol.com wrote: >Drew, >The National Archives in Ft. Worth has Indian info. Some >years back I helped a friend of mine look up her indian >ancestors. They have copies of the jackets(file) that has >all the info in it were the person had to prove they were >indian. Also the Dallas library downtown has alot of the >indian rolls on microfilm. Dallas is were we spent most >of our time. Those rolls can be confusing. It is like >they have info in several different sections on the some >roll. >Good Luck, >Nina Lyons Tarver, >Duncanville, Tx > > >==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online >genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Drew, The National Archives in Ft. Worth has Indian info. Some years back I helped a friend of mine look up her indian ancestors. They have copies of the jackets(file) that has all the info in it were the person had to prove they were indian. Also the Dallas library downtown has alot of the indian rolls on microfilm. Dallas is were we spent most of our time. Those rolls can be confusing. It is like they have info in several different sections on the some roll. Good Luck, Nina Lyons Tarver, Duncanville, Tx

If anyone wants me to, I can go take a pic of the Blue house with digital cam & send it to them. I pass by there everyday. Darla Campbell Clarksville, Tx

Mary, I doubt I still have the paper. I think I went to the old Clarksville Cemetery and took pictures or markers that had been put in their places, seems the surname was Johnson. I recall that some one just took it upon themselves to replace the markers. Maybe someone else on the list has a better memory of the article. I will see what I can come up with but I have 3 full days ahead of me starting tomorrow. Jim Giddens Paris, Tx p.s. Lynn Titus presented a very good program tonight on his Titus family back to the 1600s, at the RRCGS meeting in Clarksville. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary N. Glenn" <mnglenn@the-i.net> To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 6:00 PM Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Bue House > This is very interesting. I do not take the paper. > > Jim, Do you have the write up and could you put it on our board? I am > interested in the grave markers. Just never know what you will find in an > old house. That is why I love to go look in the old houses. > > Sometimes the wall paper is there or remenants of what was probably very > fashionable at the time. The foundations also give up some interesting > artifacts. When people who did not trust the bank buried their money in oil > paper, and put it in a hole in the ground near a tree, it was usually a tree > they could see from their bed looking out the bedroom window at night. Most > people eventually recovered what they had buried. > > Sometimes somethings would happen to the individuals and the money was never > recovered. The roots of the trees grew over the jars. There are treasures > underground. Old coins turn up from time to time and a dump site will often > yield old bottles etc. especially one near a hospital. Mary/Aransas > Pass/TX > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Giddens" <jimg@cox-internet.com> > To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 5:16 PM > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Bue House > > > > Jan, > > Somebody on the board referred to it as the Blue House because of the > color > > (I think), but I forget the history of the house. I recall it was built > > by a builder, W. Otto Glassnap (Glosnop). Same builder that built the > Miss > > Bell House around 1875. I probably have some pictures of it in my boxes > > if you would like one. It may take me a little time to find it. I do > > feel sure the name is not for a "Blue" family. I only know notice my > typo > > in the subject line. > > This house "blue" house was written up in the Clarksville Times a few > > month ago. The man restoring it found a couple of grave markers in the > > upstairs rooms. > > > >

Since Oklahoma is the home of the five civilized tribes, they have a lot of Indian records in the Historical library in Oklahoma City. They are building a new one and right now I am not sure how hard the records would be to find. The library is south and east of the Capitol. Sibyl, Choctaw, Ok. On Mon, 14 Apr 2003 14:04:30 -0600 TXREDRIV-D-request@rootsweb.com writes:

This is very interesting. I do not take the paper. Jim, Do you have the write up and could you put it on our board? I am interested in the grave markers. Just never know what you will find in an old house. That is why I love to go look in the old houses. Sometimes the wall paper is there or remenants of what was probably very fashionable at the time. The foundations also give up some interesting artifacts. When people who did not trust the bank buried their money in oil paper, and put it in a hole in the ground near a tree, it was usually a tree they could see from their bed looking out the bedroom window at night. Most people eventually recovered what they had buried. Sometimes somethings would happen to the individuals and the money was never recovered. The roots of the trees grew over the jars. There are treasures underground. Old coins turn up from time to time and a dump site will often yield old bottles etc. especially one near a hospital. Mary/Aransas Pass/TX ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Giddens" <jimg@cox-internet.com> To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Bue House > Jan, > Somebody on the board referred to it as the Blue House because of the color > (I think), but I forget the history of the house. I recall it was built > by a builder, W. Otto Glassnap (Glosnop). Same builder that built the Miss > Bell House around 1875. I probably have some pictures of it in my boxes > if you would like one. It may take me a little time to find it. I do > feel sure the name is not for a "Blue" family. I only know notice my typo > in the subject line. > This house "blue" house was written up in the Clarksville Times a few > month ago. The man restoring it found a couple of grave markers in the > upstairs rooms. > > Jim Giddens > Paris, Tx > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "brodie sr" <jbrodie@livingston.net> > To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 12:43 PM > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Bue House > > > > Jim....Is this house called the "Blue" house because of the color of the > > house or perhaps were the owners at one time named the "Blues"....l ask > > because l am doing research on the Blue line also. Thanks...jan brodie > > jbrodie@livingston.net > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jim Giddens" <jimg@cox-internet.com> > > To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 10:06 AM > > Subject: [TXREDRIV] Bue House > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Driving from Texarkana back to Paris last week, I noticed each evening > > there was active restoration work going on at the "Blue House" we called > it. > > It is the two story house with a the trim work on it just west of the > > Catholic Church on East Main about 4 block east of the square. > > > Week before last I only notice a light on upstairs then it was daylight > > savings time and I could see evidence of working on the roof and Friday > the > > front doors were even open and light on the inside. I have also notice > > on west Main a nice sign "The McCullough House" on the front lawn. It > is > > good to see attention being given to the old houses in Clarksville. > > > > > > Jim Giddens > > > Paris, Tx > > > Monday, April 14th 10:09 a.m. > > > (hope the board is working) > > > > > > > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, > > go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > -.-Spam and virus filtered by modusMail using Norman virus engine.-.-