Hello all, Well, I was doing some research on my Martin and Hutcheson families in Hood county today. There is alot of neat history in that county. It was formed out of Johnson County. The most famous burial is David Crockett's wife, Elizabeth. She is buried in Acton, which is the oldest cemetery in the county. Many of David's family have lived there throughout the years. I was reading about his grandson, Ashley Wilson Crockett, and how he started the first newspaper and so forth. He married twice, and the second marriage is where Red River County comes into play. His second wife was Anna Marie Walkup. She was the grandniece of Sam Houston and the daughter of a schoolteacher in Clarksville. She was about 21 when they married which was around 1887-1888. It doesn't list her father though. I was wondering if anyone had any knowledge of the Walkup family. I thought it was an interesting connection since I know there are Crockett burials in Old Shamrock cemetery. I have also heard David Crockett went through Red River County on his way to the Alamo and actually spoke of coming back to settle in NE Texas once his service was over. Just thought it was a little interesting tidbit for everyone... Drew Slate Fort Worth, Tx

Teri, my gggrandmother, Martha Raborn Carter, had a sister who married John Travis in Amite County, MS. Family tradition says he was a first cousin of William Travis. Would that make us related? :) That's my closest connection to anybody at the alamo. Cynthia North of Paris ----- Original Message ----- From: "teepee" <teepee@flash.net> To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 1:12 PM Subject: [TXREDRIV] The Alamo > Actually, the Alamo was left in ruins after the Texas Revolution until around 1850 when the US Army began repairs. It was then that the gabled roof and "hump" were added. For some great info on the Alamo, go to the Daughters of the Republic of Texas site at > http://thealamo.org/ . My 1st cousin 5X removed through marriage was William Barret Travis, the commander at the battle of the Alamo. He married Rosanna Cato (my 1st cousin 5x removed). > > Teri > > > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Actually, the Alamo was left in ruins after the Texas Revolution until around 1850 when the US Army began repairs. It was then that the gabled roof and "hump" were added. For some great info on the Alamo, go to the Daughters of the Republic of Texas site at http://thealamo.org/ . My 1st cousin 5X removed through marriage was William Barret Travis, the commander at the battle of the Alamo. He married Rosanna Cato (my 1st cousin 5x removed). Teri

Jim, I would like a copy of your photo. We lived in SA for 2 years and I never got around to going. Too busy raising our kids. Wanda in OK Avonnec @AOL.com

My very first glimpse of The Alamo was on my honeymoon in July 1954. You all know how hot it is in Texas in July. My new husband and I were coming up from the valley (Rio Grande, that is) to visit our families in Wilbarger County, TX. We were driving a 1954 Chev Malibu (no A/C, not even one of those water window units attached to the window of the car). We had gone to an ice house, and bought a big bag of chipped ice to place in the front seat between us, as this trip was one of many hours. We stopped for a red light; perspiration was dripping from my arms and face. My groom said, "Oh, by the way, have you ever seen the Alamo?" "No," I responded. "Look over to your right, that is it." he said. I was stunned! For a brief moment, I did not believe he was telling me the truth. I recognized the shape and its outline...yes, this was The Alamo, but not the way I had it pictured. In school I was taught the way it was, not present day. I, too, had the geography and history of the ALAMO taught to me... as each Texas student is required to learn in public schools (even if you did cut your eye teeth on the history of our State, and it's battles for a Republic). I told him I thought it would be on the outskirts of town picturesque with a knoll, and maybe a parking lot for vehicles. Did I want a better look? Yes. He actually drove off our beaten path, (one block) and made a circle, around the block...clearly, he did not understand, I meant I wanted to get out of the car and go inside. But that would take too long! A couple of years later, he was assigned to Lackland AFB (San Antonio). I had no trouble finding The Alamo again, in spite of the streets and roads being in the form of a wagon wheel with spokes, I was then able to make the tour of our well known, and loved building, which stands for the struggles of a people determining self rule. Many years later, when I pass by The Alamo, I think of my first encounter and smile. Sally, you and I had something to learn. Mary/Aransas Pass/TX ----- Original Message ----- From: "sgvjada" <sgvjada@cox.net> To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 10:54 AM Subject: [TXREDRIV] Fw: The Alamo ca 1868 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: sgvjada > To: Jim Giddens > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 10:53 AM > Subject: Re: The Alamo ca 1868 > > > Hi Jim, > Thanks for the photo. I have to smile everytime I see a photo of the Alamo. > Being a big city girl, raised in Phila., but now living in New Orleans, had a chance to visit the Alamo several years ago. I thought we had to go way out in the badlands to see it. :) > I could hardly believe it was smack dab in the city of San Antonio with a two story Burger King across the street. I still can't think I was that naive. Guess I watch to many movies. > Also, my daughter-in-law's great-great something uncle died at the Alamo. I thought that was interesting. I am going to put this photo in with the page he is mentioned. > Thanks so much, > Sally > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jim Giddens > To: Vivi Argyris-RRCo ; Tomi Jeffers-RRCo ; Tom Watson-RRCo ; Sarah Ragsdill-RRCo ; Sally Viada-RRCo ; Phyllis Carpenter-RRCo ; Pat Richardson-RRCo ; Noah Hale-RRCo ; Nina Lyons Tarver-RRCo ; Nellie Ollinger-RRCo ; Nancy Wolfgang-RRCo ; Mike Gibson ; MAXSHUMAKE@aol.com ; Louise Cornett Hannon=RRCo ; Lawrence & Sue Dale ; Kathy Hutchinson Mitchell-RRCo ; Julie Davidson-SRR Co. ; John Howison-RRCo ; Jim Giddens ; Jess Suttles-RRCo ; Jess Headley-RRCo ; Jean Adam Casey-RRCo ; Jan Brodie-RRCo ; Gwen Giacomelli-RR Gen ; Eddie Robinson ; Earl Cagle-RRCo ; DREW SLATE ; Doris Dykes-RRCO ; Donna Johnson-RRCo ; Donna Clark Johnson-RRCo ; Don Cardwell-RRCo ; Diane Miller-RRCo ; Darla Campbell-RRCo ; Cynthia Samples-E-link ; Charliene Wright Miller-RRCo ; Cathy-RRCo ; Carrie Pierce-RRCo ; Bonnie Shiro-RRCo ; Bob Moore-RRCo ; Beverly Presson-RRCo ; Betty Ward-RRCo ; Betty Beene-RRCo ; Barbara Wallis-RRCo ; Annette Cherry-RRCo ; Sam Embrey > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 10:01 AM > Subject: Fw: The Alamo ca 1868 > > > Opps, sent it first to the board. Sorry Cynthia. > Jim Giddens, > Paris, Tx > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jim Giddens > To: Red River County Roots > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 9:59 AM > Subject: The Alamo ca 1868 > > > Red River Co Group. > Here is the picture of the Alamo ca 1868 that shows the hump over the entrance has always been there. It will not send to the board, so I am sending it through regular e-mail. > Jim Giddens > Paris, Tx > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > -.-Spam and virus filtered by modusMail using Norman virus engine.-.-

----- Original Message ----- From: sgvjada To: Jim Giddens Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 10:53 AM Subject: Re: The Alamo ca 1868 Hi Jim, Thanks for the photo. I have to smile everytime I see a photo of the Alamo. Being a big city girl, raised in Phila., but now living in New Orleans, had a chance to visit the Alamo several years ago. I thought we had to go way out in the badlands to see it. :) I could hardly believe it was smack dab in the city of San Antonio with a two story Burger King across the street. I still can't think I was that naive. Guess I watch to many movies. Also, my daughter-in-law's great-great something uncle died at the Alamo. I thought that was interesting. I am going to put this photo in with the page he is mentioned. Thanks so much, Sally ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Giddens To: Vivi Argyris-RRCo ; Tomi Jeffers-RRCo ; Tom Watson-RRCo ; Sarah Ragsdill-RRCo ; Sally Viada-RRCo ; Phyllis Carpenter-RRCo ; Pat Richardson-RRCo ; Noah Hale-RRCo ; Nina Lyons Tarver-RRCo ; Nellie Ollinger-RRCo ; Nancy Wolfgang-RRCo ; Mike Gibson ; MAXSHUMAKE@aol.com ; Louise Cornett Hannon=RRCo ; Lawrence & Sue Dale ; Kathy Hutchinson Mitchell-RRCo ; Julie Davidson-SRR Co. ; John Howison-RRCo ; Jim Giddens ; Jess Suttles-RRCo ; Jess Headley-RRCo ; Jean Adam Casey-RRCo ; Jan Brodie-RRCo ; Gwen Giacomelli-RR Gen ; Eddie Robinson ; Earl Cagle-RRCo ; DREW SLATE ; Doris Dykes-RRCO ; Donna Johnson-RRCo ; Donna Clark Johnson-RRCo ; Don Cardwell-RRCo ; Diane Miller-RRCo ; Darla Campbell-RRCo ; Cynthia Samples-E-link ; Charliene Wright Miller-RRCo ; Cathy-RRCo ; Carrie Pierce-RRCo ; Bonnie Shiro-RRCo ; Bob Moore-RRCo ; Beverly Presson-RRCo ; Betty Ward-RRCo ; Betty Beene-RRCo ; Barbara Wallis-RRCo ; Annette Cherry-RRCo ; Sam Embrey Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 10:01 AM Subject: Fw: The Alamo ca 1868 Opps, sent it first to the board. Sorry Cynthia. Jim Giddens, Paris, Tx ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Giddens To: Red River County Roots Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 9:59 AM Subject: The Alamo ca 1868 Red River Co Group. Here is the picture of the Alamo ca 1868 that shows the hump over the entrance has always been there. It will not send to the board, so I am sending it through regular e-mail. Jim Giddens Paris, Tx

Rootsweb Red River gang: Sorry about clicking the wrong Red River e-mail addy. I have now done it right. If anyone cares for the picture and did not get it, let me know at jimg@cox-internet.com and I will get it to you later today or tonight. Jim Giddens Paris, Tx

Here are the correct links from yesterdays posts. Sorry for the goof. US & State County Census Maps www.genealogyinc.com/maps/uscm.htm US & State County Formation Maps www.genealogyinc.com/maps/uscf.htm

Is there an active Sons of the Republic chapter in your area? If so, have they been notified? Perhaps you would get more willing hands for your clean-up. Mary/Aransas Pass, TX ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon Black" <black@1starnet.com> To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 10:32 AM Subject: [TXREDRIV] Work Day at Old Cemetery > I'm sending this message that I got from Lawrence and Sue Dale on to the > list as requested. Seems a shame that the grave of one of the signers of > the TX Declaration of Independence has been so neglected. > > Sharon, > > Can this be posted on the Red River County Chat page? Will call later > and talk to you more on this. Just hope that, as bad as we need the > rain, that it doesn't on this date. > > There is a work day planned for Old Shiloh Cemetery on Saturday, 17th of > May 2003 beginning at 9:30 a.m. Come to work and bring tools as the > cemetery is in bad need of cleanup. (If you can bring a push-type > lawnmower or gasoline powered weedeater, please do so) Hoes and rakes > will also be welcomed. As the day progresses we will attempt to find and > to mark more burials in this, the oldest cemetery in Red River County, > Texas. Please bring your own picnic lunch and drinks. > > >From the intersection of Hwy 82 and FM 1159, take 1159 north for 3.4 > miles to the intersection with CR 3202. Then take CR 3202 east or right > for 1.1 miles. The cemetery is on the right and is well marked. > > The cemetery is a part of the S. F. Moore headright survey. The oldest > marked burial is that of Mary S. Bagby who died 25 Apr 1836. It was > closed for burials in about 1890_1900. There is a deed dated 20 Apr 1901 > and filed for record on 22 Apr 1901 conveying 'tract William Wheat > survey' from Leopald Silberburg to Old Shiloh Cemetery Association as > recorded in Book CH 41 page 164. Then on 6 Jul 1901, instrument and file > date, a release of lein from Red River National Bank to Old Shiloh > Cemetery Association as recorded in Book CH 38 page 155. Due to the > usage of the name 'Shiloh' by the media in reference to funeral services > at Shiloh Cumberland Presbyterian Church and then adding 'with burial > there', we have elected to use the name on the entrance to the old > cemetery. This cemetery was surveyed by Lawrence and Sue Dale on 3 Feb > 1999. If an entry is not shown as 'Unmarked', the old marker denoting > the burial was there on this date. > > Unnamed newspaper clipping, 15 Jun 1937, from microfilm in the > Clarksville Library, Reel 2002_2: Page 64, MARKER DEDICATED AT SHILOH > SUNDAY __ History of the Presbyterian Church in Texas was traced Sunday > afternoon as members gathered at the Old Shiloh cemetery, six miles east > of Clarksville, to dedicate a marker in commemoration of the > denomination's first church in this State. The services were conducted > by the Rev. H. R. Allen, pastor Oak Cliff Cumberland church, who paid > tribute to the founding pastor, the Rev. Milton S. Estill, and the > church's charter members. He read a letter from Judge Royall Watkins, > Dallas, whose grandfather and great_grandfather were members of the > church. Other Dallas speakers were Mrs. D. W. Wolfe, granddaughter of > the Rev. Sumner Bacon, first Cumberland Presbyterian minister to come to > Texas, who preached at the Shiloh church, and Mrs. G. F. Carlisle, > great_granddaughter of Robert S. Hamilton, signer of the Texas > Declaration of Independence, who is buried in the cemetery. Talks were > also made by the Rev. R. E. Matlock, pastor of the Shiloh Cumberland > Presbyterian church, three miles from the cemetery, and the Rev. Wilson > Cole, Clarksville. Preceding the ceremonies preaching services and > dinner on the grounds were held at the Cumberland church. Reverend Allen > delivered the sermon. The marker was placed at the cemetery by the State > government. > > (Sharon, this is all we have in notes on Old Shiloh Cemetery) > > Thank You > > Lawrence and Sue Dale > > > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > Visit Red River County GenWeb site http://www.rootsweb.com/~txredriv > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > -.-Spam and virus filtered by modusMail using Norman virus engine.-.-

Sharon, Thanks for the forward. It sound like a good thing to do and enjoyable also. I have been there twice within the last 2 months. The cemetery does have heavy weeds, but I do not see it as a big problem. It is not grown up with heavy brush & trees as the Slate Cemetery was. I guess I am saying, chain saws will not be necessary. The weeds are about 2 to 3 feet tall but not extremely thick. Some are a little thorny. It is a fairly large cemetery of maybe 2 acres but not near as many markers as you would think. I guess I am saying all this to encourage people to come and to know they will not need a bulldozer. If we get done by mid-afternoon, I will probably run up the road about 1 to 2 miles to Concord (Giddens) Cemetery and do some quick mowing & weeding eating there. I have often wondered if my Giddens people attended the old Shiloh Cumberland Presbyterian Church before they organized the Concord Church in 1844, but I guess there are no membership records for that period of time. I appreciate the Dale's effort in this and all they do. Jim Giddens Paris, Tx. p.s. Tom, remember, It is Old SHILOH. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon Black" <black@1starnet.com> To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 10:32 AM Subject: [TXREDRIV] Work Day at Old Cemetery > I'm sending this message that I got from Lawrence and Sue Dale on to the > list as requested. Seems a shame that the grave of one of the signers of > the TX Declaration of Independence has been so neglected. > > Sharon, > > Can this be posted on the Red River County Chat page? Will call later > and talk to you more on this. Just hope that, as bad as we need the > rain, that it doesn't on this date. > > There is a work day planned for Old Shiloh Cemetery on Saturday, 17th of > May 2003 beginning at 9:30 a.m. Come to work and bring tools as the > cemetery is in bad need of cleanup. (If you can bring a push-type > lawnmower or gasoline powered weedeater, please do so) Hoes and rakes > will also be welcomed. As the day progresses we will attempt to find and > to mark more burials in this, the oldest cemetery in Red River County, > Texas. Please bring your own picnic lunch and drinks. > > >From the intersection of Hwy 82 and FM 1159, take 1159 north for 3.4 > miles to the intersection with CR 3202. Then take CR 3202 east or right > for 1.1 miles. The cemetery is on the right and is well marked. > > The cemetery is a part of the S. F. Moore headright survey. The oldest > marked burial is that of Mary S. Bagby who died 25 Apr 1836. It was > closed for burials in about 1890_1900. There is a deed dated 20 Apr 1901 > and filed for record on 22 Apr 1901 conveying 'tract William Wheat > survey' from Leopald Silberburg to Old Shiloh Cemetery Association as > recorded in Book CH 41 page 164. Then on 6 Jul 1901, instrument and file > date, a release of lein from Red River National Bank to Old Shiloh > Cemetery Association as recorded in Book CH 38 page 155. Due to the > usage of the name 'Shiloh' by the media in reference to funeral services > at Shiloh Cumberland Presbyterian Church and then adding 'with burial > there', we have elected to use the name on the entrance to the old > cemetery. This cemetery was surveyed by Lawrence and Sue Dale on 3 Feb > 1999. If an entry is not shown as 'Unmarked', the old marker denoting > the burial was there on this date. >

I'm sending this message that I got from Lawrence and Sue Dale on to the list as requested. Seems a shame that the grave of one of the signers of the TX Declaration of Independence has been so neglected. Sharon, Can this be posted on the Red River County Chat page? Will call later and talk to you more on this. Just hope that, as bad as we need the rain, that it doesn't on this date. There is a work day planned for Old Shiloh Cemetery on Saturday, 17th of May 2003 beginning at 9:30 a.m. Come to work and bring tools as the cemetery is in bad need of cleanup. (If you can bring a push-type lawnmower or gasoline powered weedeater, please do so) Hoes and rakes will also be welcomed. As the day progresses we will attempt to find and to mark more burials in this, the oldest cemetery in Red River County, Texas. Please bring your own picnic lunch and drinks. >From the intersection of Hwy 82 and FM 1159, take 1159 north for 3.4 miles to the intersection with CR 3202. Then take CR 3202 east or right for 1.1 miles. The cemetery is on the right and is well marked. The cemetery is a part of the S. F. Moore headright survey. The oldest marked burial is that of Mary S. Bagby who died 25 Apr 1836. It was closed for burials in about 1890_1900. There is a deed dated 20 Apr 1901 and filed for record on 22 Apr 1901 conveying 'tract William Wheat survey' from Leopald Silberburg to Old Shiloh Cemetery Association as recorded in Book CH 41 page 164. Then on 6 Jul 1901, instrument and file date, a release of lein from Red River National Bank to Old Shiloh Cemetery Association as recorded in Book CH 38 page 155. Due to the usage of the name 'Shiloh' by the media in reference to funeral services at Shiloh Cumberland Presbyterian Church and then adding 'with burial there', we have elected to use the name on the entrance to the old cemetery. This cemetery was surveyed by Lawrence and Sue Dale on 3 Feb 1999. If an entry is not shown as 'Unmarked', the old marker denoting the burial was there on this date. Unnamed newspaper clipping, 15 Jun 1937, from microfilm in the Clarksville Library, Reel 2002_2: Page 64, MARKER DEDICATED AT SHILOH SUNDAY __ History of the Presbyterian Church in Texas was traced Sunday afternoon as members gathered at the Old Shiloh cemetery, six miles east of Clarksville, to dedicate a marker in commemoration of the denomination's first church in this State. The services were conducted by the Rev. H. R. Allen, pastor Oak Cliff Cumberland church, who paid tribute to the founding pastor, the Rev. Milton S. Estill, and the church's charter members. He read a letter from Judge Royall Watkins, Dallas, whose grandfather and great_grandfather were members of the church. Other Dallas speakers were Mrs. D. W. Wolfe, granddaughter of the Rev. Sumner Bacon, first Cumberland Presbyterian minister to come to Texas, who preached at the Shiloh church, and Mrs. G. F. Carlisle, great_granddaughter of Robert S. Hamilton, signer of the Texas Declaration of Independence, who is buried in the cemetery. Talks were also made by the Rev. R. E. Matlock, pastor of the Shiloh Cumberland Presbyterian church, three miles from the cemetery, and the Rev. Wilson Cole, Clarksville. Preceding the ceremonies preaching services and dinner on the grounds were held at the Cumberland church. Reverend Allen delivered the sermon. The marker was placed at the cemetery by the State government. (Sharon, this is all we have in notes on Old Shiloh Cemetery) Thank You Lawrence and Sue Dale

Jim, List ,let me warn you, Cousin Jim tells all!!! :) He is right. I can't seem to keep the two cemeteries straight. I guess the "Old " part gets me confused. Thanks Jim For reminding me!! LOLOLOL Tom Heath,TX >From: "Jim Giddens" <jimg@cox-internet.com> >Reply-To: TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com >To: TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Rogers and rambling >Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 23:11:02 -0500 > >Tom, > Sorry, I said there is a Rogers buried at Old Shiloh. >I must tell everyone this is not there first time Tom got the names mixed >up >(and still does) >When Tom and I took our recent tour of RR Co, Tom said he wanted to go to >Old Shiloh Cemetery, I directed him to it. After we left the cemetery, >he told me he meant Old Shamrock. We got a laugh out of it. Anyway, >we >have the pleasure of visiting both cemeteries that day. I guess that is >why Tom was not interested in wading the weeds at Old Shiloh Cemetery. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Tom Watson DDS" <tom_watson_dds@hotmail.com> >To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 10:20 PM >Subject: RE: [TXREDRIV] Rogers and rambling > > > > Drew, > > It is a lot of fun researching the Becknells. I think ; however, that > > Sarah Elizabeth was actually the daughter of William A.Becknell, Jr.. >That > > would make her a granddaughter of Capt. B.from a different direction. I >had > > forgotten that she had married a Bagwell. She is buried in the Old >Shamrock > > Cem.. Jim tells me there are Rogers buried there too. Where did you get >the > > name Kirty fo John K.? I have seen that before ;however, I don't have >any > > info. on where it came from. > > This stuff is fun isn't it? > > Tom > > Heath,TX > > PS John K did have a daughter named Sarah, but I'm pretty sure the one >you > > connect to is through W.A.Becknell,Jr. I understand Jr. was killed when >he > > feel from a horse and hit his head on a tree. He is buried in Becknell's > > Cem. with his parents. > > > > > >==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

Would like to pass these links along. I found them interesting and helpful. Some of you may feel the same. US & State County Census Maps www.genealogyinc.com/uscm.htm US & State County Formation Maps www.genealogyinc.com/uscf.htm rotating census avalibility map www.segenealogy.com/sgo03.htm meanings of terms & descriptions www.genealogyinc.com/descriptions/

Tom, Sorry, I said there is a Rogers buried at Old Shiloh. I must tell everyone this is not there first time Tom got the names mixed up (and still does) When Tom and I took our recent tour of RR Co, Tom said he wanted to go to Old Shiloh Cemetery, I directed him to it. After we left the cemetery, he told me he meant Old Shamrock. We got a laugh out of it. Anyway, we have the pleasure of visiting both cemeteries that day. I guess that is why Tom was not interested in wading the weeds at Old Shiloh Cemetery. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Watson DDS" <tom_watson_dds@hotmail.com> To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 10:20 PM Subject: RE: [TXREDRIV] Rogers and rambling > Drew, > It is a lot of fun researching the Becknells. I think ; however, that > Sarah Elizabeth was actually the daughter of William A.Becknell, Jr.. That > would make her a granddaughter of Capt. B.from a different direction. I had > forgotten that she had married a Bagwell. She is buried in the Old Shamrock > Cem.. Jim tells me there are Rogers buried there too. Where did you get the > name Kirty fo John K.? I have seen that before ;however, I don't have any > info. on where it came from. > This stuff is fun isn't it? > Tom > Heath,TX > PS John K did have a daughter named Sarah, but I'm pretty sure the one you > connect to is through W.A.Becknell,Jr. I understand Jr. was killed when he > feel from a horse and hit his head on a tree. He is buried in Becknell's > Cem. with his parents. >

Drew, It is a lot of fun researching the Becknells. I think ; however, that Sarah Elizabeth was actually the daughter of William A.Becknell, Jr.. That would make her a granddaughter of Capt. B.from a different direction. I had forgotten that she had married a Bagwell. She is buried in the Old Shamrock Cem.. Jim tells me there are Rogers buried there too. Where did you get the name Kirty fo John K.? I have seen that before ;however, I don't have any info. on where it came from. This stuff is fun isn't it? Tom Heath,TX PS John K did have a daughter named Sarah, but I'm pretty sure the one you connect to is through W.A.Becknell,Jr. I understand Jr. was killed when he feel from a horse and hit his head on a tree. He is buried in Becknell's Cem. with his parents. >From: "Drew Slate" <drew-slate@charter.net> >Reply-To: TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com >To: TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: RE: [TXREDRIV] Rogers and rambling >Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 18:49:19 -0500 > >Ok, here is the way I am connected to Capt Becknell. > >Here is my line back to the Love family. > >Drew Slate >Jack Slate - Father >Lois Wallace - GrandMother >Nora Love - GGrandmother >Samuel Walker Love - GGGrandfather > >Now, Samuel Walker Love's oldest child was William Hubbard Love. He >married >Laura Viola Bagwell. > >Laura Viola Bagwell's parents were Nathaniel Bagwell and Sarah Elizabeth >Rogers. > >Sarah Elizabeth Rogers was the daughter of John Kirty Rogers and Mary Jane >Becknell. > >Mary Jane Becknell was the daughter of William Becknell and Mary Cribbs. > >This makes William Becknell of no blood relation to me and really no >marriage connection, but fun to research. > >Another interesting point of this family. Laura Viola Bagwell's father, >Nathaniel Bagwell, was the son of Miles Bagwell, the man the town of >Bagwell >is named after. I also have no blood relation to the Bagwell family and a >distant marriage connection. > >It is quite interesting to me how the Love/Bagwell/Becknell family is >connected. All three families were important to their communities. We >know >of the Becknell legacy, the Bagwell were instrumental in starting the town >of Bagwell, and some might not know but Samuel Walker Love owned a general >store and sawmill in Bagwell and was one of the founders and the first >president of the First National Bank of Bagwell. I am sure that the >marriage of these families was no mistake as I am sure all were pretty well >off in their time. > >I sure wish the Love family land had been passed down through the >generations. I saw a farm in Parker County last weekend that had been in >the family since 1858 and is still called by the same name. > >Hope this isn't to confusing... > >Drew Slate > >Fort Worth, Tx > >-----Original Message----- >From: DREW SLATE [mailto:drew-slate@charter.net] >Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 8:53 AM >To: TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Rogers and rambling > > >I also have a connection to this Rogers family the exact >same way. >My GUncle William Hubbard Love married Laura Viola >Bagwell. She is Becknell's GGranddaughter through Mary >Jane's marriage to John Rogers. Laura's mother was their >daughter. > >I have just starting putting all of this together and have >been in contact with a few Becknell researchers. It is >really on for my personal information since there is no >blood relation it is all through marriage. > >I will put together the line when I get home tonight and >see if there is a connection another way between us. > >Talk to you soon, >Drew > >On Tue, 06 May 2003 08:24:40 -0500 > "Tom Watson DDS" <tom_watson_dds@hotmail.com> wrote: > >Jim. > > The Rogers in Ky could be a connection.My John K. > >Rogers was originaly > >from Ky. He later moved to Missouri where he married > >Capt. Becknell's first child, Mary Jane Becknell. He came > >to TX with the group that came with Becknell in 1835. He > >was in the Red River Blues militia that Becknell > >commanded in the Texas war for Inependence, for wich he > >recieved a headright. > > I would like to study this possibility more. Thanks > >Jim. > > Gotta get to work, > > Tom > > Heath,TX > > > > > > > > > > > >>From: "Jim Giddens" <jimg@cox-internet.com> > >>Reply-To: TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com > >>To: TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com > >>Subject: [TXREDRIV] Rogers and rambling > >>Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 22:40:09 -0500 > >> > >>Tom, > >> I know you said you have a Rogers connection and I know > >>this is a long > >>shot. > >>I see in my notes that my GGGG GF Reuben Giddens bought > >>half of a track of John Rogers land in Floyd Co, Ky. Apr > >>24, 1817. Book A, pg 418. This was 100 acres on > >>Johns Creeks, a branch of Sandy River. I notice these > >>from my notes I took in Ky 4 years ago. Also bought 100 > >>acres for Benjamin Pearce and Joseph Smith Baisden, all > >>on Johns Creek. > >>Good night all, > >>Jim Giddens > >>Paris, Tx > >> > >> > >>==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > >> > >> > >> > >>============================== > >>To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online > >>genealogy records, go to: > >>http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >> > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online > > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > > > > >==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > >============================== > >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online > >genealogy records, go to: > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > >==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go >to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > >==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

Ginger, I recall the land in question being most cleared except for tall grass and a fair (not a lot) number of cedar trees that do not appear to be all that old. This would indicate to me that perhaps the land 70 years or so ago was clear with a school with playground and a ball field. This works for me. Jim G Paris T ----- Original Message ----- From: <gingerbread@neto.com> To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 4:17 PM Subject: Re: Re: [TXREDRIV] That's it Jim > Jim, I am fairly sure there is no longer a building. We haven't gone to the property to investigate, but I don't remember seeing anything. If you take the Macedonia-Silaom Rd (next to Ted Grant's old place) north, you would go about 3/4 mile to a curve (to the left). Just at that curve is where the property in question lies. My brother-in-law has a cabin just around the curve which butts up to the property line. Next time I am out that way I will look closer. > > Thanks for your help. > > Ginger > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jim Giddens > Sent: 5/5/2003 9:35:17 PM > To: TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] That's it Jim > > > Ginger, > > I am all smiles that I could help. It is great that I talked to Mr West > > instead of walking through the cemetery as some of the others wanted me to. > > I have walked the cemetery several times. I pulled up a chair under a > > big tree and keep asking him questions when he would stop. We talked about > > 30 minutes, just me and him, or him and I, or him and me. Where is that > > school room. > > Jim G > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <gingerbread@neto.com> > > To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 4:19 PM > > Subject: [TXREDRIV] That's it Jim > > > > > > > The land in question is before the Macedonia-Siloam Church. There is a > > curve to the west. The land to the east of that curve was where he was told > > there was an old school. Thanks for clearing up that mystery! > > > > > > Ginger > > > Annona, TX > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > Visit Red River County GenWeb site http://www.rootsweb.com/~txredriv > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > > go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Ok, here is the way I am connected to Capt Becknell. Here is my line back to the Love family. Drew Slate Jack Slate - Father Lois Wallace - GrandMother Nora Love - GGrandmother Samuel Walker Love - GGGrandfather Now, Samuel Walker Love's oldest child was William Hubbard Love. He married Laura Viola Bagwell. Laura Viola Bagwell's parents were Nathaniel Bagwell and Sarah Elizabeth Rogers. Sarah Elizabeth Rogers was the daughter of John Kirty Rogers and Mary Jane Becknell. Mary Jane Becknell was the daughter of William Becknell and Mary Cribbs. This makes William Becknell of no blood relation to me and really no marriage connection, but fun to research. Another interesting point of this family. Laura Viola Bagwell's father, Nathaniel Bagwell, was the son of Miles Bagwell, the man the town of Bagwell is named after. I also have no blood relation to the Bagwell family and a distant marriage connection. It is quite interesting to me how the Love/Bagwell/Becknell family is connected. All three families were important to their communities. We know of the Becknell legacy, the Bagwell were instrumental in starting the town of Bagwell, and some might not know but Samuel Walker Love owned a general store and sawmill in Bagwell and was one of the founders and the first president of the First National Bank of Bagwell. I am sure that the marriage of these families was no mistake as I am sure all were pretty well off in their time. I sure wish the Love family land had been passed down through the generations. I saw a farm in Parker County last weekend that had been in the family since 1858 and is still called by the same name. Hope this isn't to confusing... Drew Slate Fort Worth, Tx -----Original Message----- From: DREW SLATE [mailto:drew-slate@charter.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 8:53 AM To: TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Rogers and rambling I also have a connection to this Rogers family the exact same way. My GUncle William Hubbard Love married Laura Viola Bagwell. She is Becknell's GGranddaughter through Mary Jane's marriage to John Rogers. Laura's mother was their daughter. I have just starting putting all of this together and have been in contact with a few Becknell researchers. It is really on for my personal information since there is no blood relation it is all through marriage. I will put together the line when I get home tonight and see if there is a connection another way between us. Talk to you soon, Drew On Tue, 06 May 2003 08:24:40 -0500 "Tom Watson DDS" <tom_watson_dds@hotmail.com> wrote: >Jim. > The Rogers in Ky could be a connection.My John K. >Rogers was originaly >from Ky. He later moved to Missouri where he married >Capt. Becknell's first child, Mary Jane Becknell. He came >to TX with the group that came with Becknell in 1835. He >was in the Red River Blues militia that Becknell >commanded in the Texas war for Inependence, for wich he >recieved a headright. > I would like to study this possibility more. Thanks >Jim. > Gotta get to work, > Tom > Heath,TX > > > > > >>From: "Jim Giddens" <jimg@cox-internet.com> >>Reply-To: TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com >>To: TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com >>Subject: [TXREDRIV] Rogers and rambling >>Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 22:40:09 -0500 >> >>Tom, >> I know you said you have a Rogers connection and I know >>this is a long >>shot. >>I see in my notes that my GGGG GF Reuben Giddens bought >>half of a track of John Rogers land in Floyd Co, Ky. Apr >>24, 1817. Book A, pg 418. This was 100 acres on >>Johns Creeks, a branch of Sandy River. I notice these >>from my notes I took in Ky 4 years ago. Also bought 100 >>acres for Benjamin Pearce and Joseph Smith Baisden, all >>on Johns Creek. >>Good night all, >>Jim Giddens >>Paris, Tx >> >> >>==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== >> >> >> >>============================== >>To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online >>genealogy records, go to: >>http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >> > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > >==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online >genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane Miller" <dianermiller@cox-internet.com> To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 10:46 PM Subject: [TXREDRIV] Need Marriage Information > I need the marriage book, volume and page number for the following couple to complete my DAR application any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Walter William Bledsoe and Nora Alcie McCarley married 31 Jan 1883 Red RiverCo., TX. > > > Thank You > Diane Miller > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 I am very much interested in learning who Nora Alcie McCarley's parents were. I do not have her in my McCarley line and know she has to be part of our family. Thanks. Barb > >

Would anyone out there happen to have marriage information on H.P. (Hudson Posey) Benningfield and Cynthia Susannah Burkham Barker, married 1838 or 1839 in Red River County [in Clarksville, I think]? -----Original Message----- From: TXREDRIV-D-request@rootsweb.com [mailto:TXREDRIV-D-request@rootsweb.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 4:16 PM To: TXREDRIV-D@rootsweb.com Subject: TXREDRIV-D Digest V03 #142

Jim, I am fairly sure there is no longer a building. We haven't gone to the property to investigate, but I don't remember seeing anything. If you take the Macedonia-Silaom Rd (next to Ted Grant's old place) north, you would go about 3/4 mile to a curve (to the left). Just at that curve is where the property in question lies. My brother-in-law has a cabin just around the curve which butts up to the property line. Next time I am out that way I will look closer. Thanks for your help. Ginger ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Giddens Sent: 5/5/2003 9:35:17 PM To: TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] That's it Jim > Ginger, > I am all smiles that I could help. It is great that I talked to Mr West > instead of walking through the cemetery as some of the others wanted me to. > I have walked the cemetery several times. I pulled up a chair under a > big tree and keep asking him questions when he would stop. We talked about > 30 minutes, just me and him, or him and I, or him and me. Where is that > school room. > Jim G > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <gingerbread@neto.com> > To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 4:19 PM > Subject: [TXREDRIV] That's it Jim > > > > The land in question is before the Macedonia-Siloam Church. There is a > curve to the west. The land to the east of that curve was where he was told > there was an old school. Thanks for clearing up that mystery! > > > > Ginger > > Annona, TX > > > > > > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > Visit Red River County GenWeb site http://www.rootsweb.com/~txredriv > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >