Salem Baptist Church is listed in the RR Valley Baptist Association history from 1848 to 1991, to be the 11th Baptist Church in the State of Texas. Established in 1856. The writing in 1991 indicates the church is still there, but I do not know. The RRVBA office is in Paris, Tx. The Methodist and the Presbyterian as the earliest Protestants churches to Texas the way I read it, except of course for the Catholics that were in Texas with the Spaniards. Jim Giddens Paris, Tx ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peggy" <pegbh@comcast.net> To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 10:08 PM Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Salem Church > Carol, > > That church is in Boxelder. My grgr grandmother and gr grandparents > plus many more are buried there. One cousin gave me a certificate that > stated my gr grandfather was an elder once. But I don't know how you could > get any information. I understand they did hold service still there, but > don't know for sure now. Good luck. > > Peggy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <TChris56@aol.com> > To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 9:17 PM > Subject: [TXREDRIV] Salem Church > > > > There was a Salem Church with cemetery that i went to this spring to visit > my > > ggrandparents grave site. It look well kept and maybe still having > services. > > Does this church have any records from the late 1800's to early 1900's? > > Since my ggrandparents are buried there i thought they may have attended > this > > church. If i remember right it was on the way to Anona from Clarksville. > > > > Carol > > > > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Sam---you certainly have my prayers. Hope you make a full recovery. Jan Lindley ----- Original Message ----- From: "sam embrey" <sembrey@cox-internet.com> To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 3:59 PM Subject: [TXREDRIV] Hospital > To all my e-mail friends, > I have just walked into my house from the Hospital where I had a cardiac arrest on the 4th., and was lucky enough to be in the emergency room when it happened. They had the shockers handy, and brought me back to life. Now, after stints ect.. I am home to rest, will try to get my e-mails answered, and would appreciate any prayers you could send up for me. Sam > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

For some reason the LDS do not have the rights to the Tax lists! I've asked and had professionals that regularly work the Family History Library in Salt Lake asking me to go do work for them since the Dallas Public Library has a complete set. I just don't get down to the library much these days. Jeri Cynthia Samples wrote: >Thanks, you're right. They are on there. I had a printout from the LDS >site which has about the same things and I either forgot to look for tax >lists or they didn't have them listed. Looks like there were several things >I missed. I'll go over there one day this week and see what I can find. >Looks like tax records start with 1838. > >Cynthia >----- Original Message ----- >From: "ED WAGGONER" <emwagg@lcc.net> >To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 4:47 PM >Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Republic of TX Tax lists? > > > > >>What kind of tax lists are we talking about? I obtained Republic of Texas, >>Red River County tax lists microfilm interlibrary loan from Paris Junior >>College.They will even loan them out of state. A complete listing of what >> >> >is > > >>available and film number is on the Texas State Archive website. >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Cynthia Samples" <samples88@earthlink.net> >>To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 11:30 AM >>Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Republic of TX Tax lists? >> >> >> >> >>>Jeri, I don't know if they even still exist. If anyone knows, please >>> >>> >let > > >>me >> >> >>>know. There are not in the list of county records that have been >>>microfilmed. I agree that they need to be transcribed, and if I could >>> >>> >>find >> >> >>>them I would do it. I guess someone needs to ask at the courthouse. >>> >>>During this time there was a question as to whether the area was part of >>>Arkansas or Texas, and some records were filed in Arkansas. The >>> >>> >marriage > > >>>records for this period apparently also do not exist. I have checked >>> >>> >with > > >>>just about everybody. >>> >>>Cynthia Samples >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Jeri J. Steele" <steele@PioneerInfo.com> >>>To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> >>>Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 10:33 AM >>>Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Republic of TX Tax lists? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Most of the responses I've seen posted on this list are for ancestors >>>>that are more recent than the research I do. I've been using Red >>>> >>>> >River > > >>>>County records to help find Republic of Texas migrations into other >>>>counties in the state. I know my ancestor was there for a while >>>>(months, maybe 1-2 years) has anyone transcribed the 1836-1839 Tax >>>> >>>> >Lists > > >>? >> >> >>>>Jeri Steele >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>============================== >>>>To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy >>>> >>>> >>records, >> >> >>>go to: >>> >>> >>>>http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== >>> >>> >>> >>>============================== >>>To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy >>> >>> >records, > > >>go to: >> >> >>>http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== >> >> >> >>============================== >>To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >> >> >go to: > > >>http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >> >> >> >> > > > >==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > >

That I can answer! See http://www.tsl.state.tx.us/arc/local/index.html Texas State Libaray has: OFFICE OF THE TAX ASSESSOR-COLLECTOR TAX ROLLS, 1838-1910 Reel 119401 1838-1881 (and more) Last time I email them and asked how much the roll of microfilm would cost and got a price about $18 a roll I think. You can also interlibrary loan them. Your library may charge the postage to return the films though. Jeri Cynthia Samples wrote: >Jeri, I don't know if they even still exist. If anyone knows, please let me >know. There are not in the list of county records that have been >microfilmed. I agree that they need to be transcribed, and if I could find >them I would do it. I guess someone needs to ask at the courthouse. > >During this time there was a question as to whether the area was part of >Arkansas or Texas, and some records were filed in Arkansas. The marriage >records for this period apparently also do not exist. I have checked with >just about everybody. > >Cynthia Samples > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jeri J. Steele" <steele@PioneerInfo.com> >To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 10:33 AM >Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Republic of TX Tax lists? > > > > >>Most of the responses I've seen posted on this list are for ancestors >>that are more recent than the research I do. I've been using Red River >>County records to help find Republic of Texas migrations into other >>counties in the state. I know my ancestor was there for a while >>(months, maybe 1-2 years) has anyone transcribed the 1836-1839 Tax Lists ? >> >>Jeri Steele >> >> >> >>==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== >> >> >> >>============================== >>To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >> >> >go to: > > >>http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >> >> >> >> > > > >==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > >

Oran Lee Ford was found dead in the seat of his pickup truck in north Red River Co either Thursday or Friday of last week after being missing since Saturday. It appears he got stuck, laid down in the seat of his truck and died. He was 74. His wife was Betty Lewis Ford. He was diabetic and had high blood pressure. He did not have his medicine with him and I assume no cell phone. Sad. Jim Giddens Paris, TX

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Lindley" <jlindley@centurytel.net> To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2003 7:38 PM Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] RR Co. Genealogy Reunion > Barb---where is Blue Eye, MO? I live in Eminence, MO. > > Jan Lindley > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mbwallis" <mbwallis@tri-lakes.net> > To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2003 7:51 AM > Subject: [TXREDRIV] RR Co. Genealogy Reunion > > > > I like your idea of a Red River County Genealogy Reunion. So many of us do > not know any one living in Red River Co. and would give us an idea of the > area, people and just fun with other genealogist. No plans necessary but a > place and time for all of us to meet there. > > A year ahead would be the best for those who work. > > I live in Blue Eye, Missouri. > > Looking for Wallis, Ware and McCarley. > > Barb > > > > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 We retired on Table Rock Lake and just happen to have the mailing address as Blue Eye, Mo. We live off 86 Highway not far from Old 86 Corp of Engineers Campground. We live 17 miles from Branson. How fun that we both have RR Co., Tx roots! Barb > >

Thanks, you're right. They are on there. I had a printout from the LDS site which has about the same things and I either forgot to look for tax lists or they didn't have them listed. Looks like there were several things I missed. I'll go over there one day this week and see what I can find. Looks like tax records start with 1838. Cynthia ----- Original Message ----- From: "ED WAGGONER" <emwagg@lcc.net> To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Republic of TX Tax lists? > What kind of tax lists are we talking about? I obtained Republic of Texas, > Red River County tax lists microfilm interlibrary loan from Paris Junior > College.They will even loan them out of state. A complete listing of what is > available and film number is on the Texas State Archive website. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cynthia Samples" <samples88@earthlink.net> > To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 11:30 AM > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Republic of TX Tax lists? > > > > Jeri, I don't know if they even still exist. If anyone knows, please let > me > > know. There are not in the list of county records that have been > > microfilmed. I agree that they need to be transcribed, and if I could > find > > them I would do it. I guess someone needs to ask at the courthouse. > > > > During this time there was a question as to whether the area was part of > > Arkansas or Texas, and some records were filed in Arkansas. The marriage > > records for this period apparently also do not exist. I have checked with > > just about everybody. > > > > Cynthia Samples > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jeri J. Steele" <steele@PioneerInfo.com> > > To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 10:33 AM > > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Republic of TX Tax lists? > > > > > > > Most of the responses I've seen posted on this list are for ancestors > > > that are more recent than the research I do. I've been using Red River > > > County records to help find Republic of Texas migrations into other > > > counties in the state. I know my ancestor was there for a while > > > (months, maybe 1-2 years) has anyone transcribed the 1836-1839 Tax Lists > ? > > > > > > Jeri Steele > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, > > go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

On the list of marriage records for Red River County, I have found one that says " DO NOT ISSUE" Can someone tell me EXACTLY what this means? Thanks Jo Cox Arkansas Ozarks

Jeri, You are great! Thanks so much for all the help and information. I have copies of all the land records in Red River Co. from 1850 on because I was under the impression that was when he came into TX. It has only been this week that I discovered that he and a younger brother went out to TX in 1836 and were there through the Mexican American war, returned to TN where they both married and then went back to TX. To everyone else: It just shows that even with family folklore you should take notes and listen. My nana told me several times when I was young that I qualified for UDC, DAR, and yes even the DRT. I just figured all these years that she was wrong. Charmaine Charmaine Riley Holley archivehobbit@mac.com "...but hobbits have a passion for family history." - Tolkein in Lord of the Rings

What kind of tax lists are we talking about? I obtained Republic of Texas, Red River County tax lists microfilm interlibrary loan from Paris Junior College.They will even loan them out of state. A complete listing of what is available and film number is on the Texas State Archive website. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cynthia Samples" <samples88@earthlink.net> To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 11:30 AM Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Republic of TX Tax lists? > Jeri, I don't know if they even still exist. If anyone knows, please let me > know. There are not in the list of county records that have been > microfilmed. I agree that they need to be transcribed, and if I could find > them I would do it. I guess someone needs to ask at the courthouse. > > During this time there was a question as to whether the area was part of > Arkansas or Texas, and some records were filed in Arkansas. The marriage > records for this period apparently also do not exist. I have checked with > just about everybody. > > Cynthia Samples > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeri J. Steele" <steele@PioneerInfo.com> > To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 10:33 AM > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Republic of TX Tax lists? > > > > Most of the responses I've seen posted on this list are for ancestors > > that are more recent than the research I do. I've been using Red River > > County records to help find Republic of Texas migrations into other > > counties in the state. I know my ancestor was there for a while > > (months, maybe 1-2 years) has anyone transcribed the 1836-1839 Tax Lists ? > > > > Jeri Steele > > > > > > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > >

anyone doing any research on the Quick family name from Red River and Louisiana,, Jimmy Tidwell

Cynthia, I just noticed the reworked web-site. It is great. Thanks for all the work you do. I know there must be much more work than I can imagine. I appreciate your time and effort to make everything easy for us. Also the efforts of all those the transcribe etc for you. Thanks again to all of you. The new 1930 census has been very helpful and information for me. Jim Giddens Paris/Reno, Tx

Jeri, I don't know if they even still exist. If anyone knows, please let me know. There are not in the list of county records that have been microfilmed. I agree that they need to be transcribed, and if I could find them I would do it. I guess someone needs to ask at the courthouse. During this time there was a question as to whether the area was part of Arkansas or Texas, and some records were filed in Arkansas. The marriage records for this period apparently also do not exist. I have checked with just about everybody. Cynthia Samples ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeri J. Steele" <steele@PioneerInfo.com> To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 10:33 AM Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Republic of TX Tax lists? > Most of the responses I've seen posted on this list are for ancestors > that are more recent than the research I do. I've been using Red River > County records to help find Republic of Texas migrations into other > counties in the state. I know my ancestor was there for a while > (months, maybe 1-2 years) has anyone transcribed the 1836-1839 Tax Lists ? > > Jeri Steele > > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Most of the responses I've seen posted on this list are for ancestors that are more recent than the research I do. I've been using Red River County records to help find Republic of Texas migrations into other counties in the state. I know my ancestor was there for a while (months, maybe 1-2 years) has anyone transcribed the 1836-1839 Tax Lists ? Jeri Steele

That is a Harrison County or Land district, 3rd Class Land grant. From the Handbook of Texas (http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/tools/article_extracts/mpl1_extract.html ) "'Third class' headrights of 640 acres for heads of families and 320 acres for single men went to recipients who immigrated to Texas after October 1, 1837, and before January 1, 1840." I also found: District: Harrison; Panola County: Panola Grantee: Thomas J. Morris Certificate: 33 Acres: 320 Class: Harr'n 3rd. File: 961 Now the bad news. Land grants were given as conditional certificates. They had to go locate the land. The original grant could have been generated in Red River,or Harrison. Land finally located in Panola or Upshur. The land is named after the grantee. However, the certificate could have been sold to someone else. It does not mean your ancestor lived on the land. With 2 different counties mentioned and 2 separate file, you need to research BOTH to make sure you have the same person. Write: Texas General Land Office Archives and Records Division 1700 North Congress Avenue Austin, Texas 78701-1495 Request an estimates on copying both of these files. Be sure to say you want the entire file copied , surveyors notes, grant certificates, the minutes of the Board of Commissioners if they exist, and the State of Texas Patent. That will get you everything that they have. It will not be cheap($2 per page), but the information is usually invaluable. You will then know the neighbors and when the land was surveyed and who the Chain Carriers were that assisted the Surveyor. (Usually neighbors or kinsman!) A cheaper but very much slower way is to do the research yourself in the land records of Nacogdoches, Upshur, Harrison, and Panola counties. Also, I would check the Red River indexes. During the early Republic of TX time, there were 2 places to record land: Clarksville in Red River County and in Nacogdoches. If either of these people turn out to be provable as your ancestor, you will be eligible for the Sons of the Republic of Texas! Jeri Steele (DRT member) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Charmaine Riley Holley wrote: > I have some land records that I believe belong to my Thomas J. MORRIS > of Red River Co.: > > District : Harrison; Nacogdoches > County : Upshur > Grantee : Thos. J. Morris > Certificate : 33 > Survey/Blk/Tsp : 25 > Acres : 306 > Class : Harr'n. 3rd > File : 954 > > > My question is what doe the class "Harr's. 3rd" designate and why is > there no date? > If it signifies Pres. Harrison then it is too late to be my TJ's. Does > anyone know? > > Thanks, > Charmaine > > > Charmaine Riley Holley > archivehobbit@mac.com > > "...but hobbits have a passion for family history." > - Tolkein in Lord of the Rings > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > Visit Red River County GenWeb site http://www.rootsweb.com/~txredriv > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > >

Jim has got my vote also. cathy

You are so right, having it somewhere other than RRCO would make sense. What was I thinking. Not having lived in the county, I did not know about South Lake. However, South Lake sounds great to me. Cathy

In a message dated 7/5/2003 5:50:40 PM Mountain Daylight Time, pegbh@comcast.net writes: > my line is from her Burns marriage. Her > husband died someplace, we think Red River, but no burial proof Hi, What was the first name of her BURNS husband? I also have BURNS. Phyllis

Paris News; William Clem 'Bob" Shelby, 62 of Hurst, formerly of Red River Co. died Wednesday in Bedford. Funeral Saturday at Tuggle Springs Cemetery in Red River Co. Born 1941 in RR Co, the son of John & Geraldine Wilkins Shelby. He married Zona Lamon in 1960 in Dimple. His mother lives in Blossom. I don't know him but I know we have Shelby in our group. Jim Giddens Paris, Tx

Samuel or "Sam" Burns is all we know. Census has him as born in MO. But he was in 1880 TX census. We know of no other family, sadly. Would love to hear from you if you know about him! Peggy ----- Original Message ----- From: <PRCarpe@aol.com> To: <TXREDRIV-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2003 11:51 PM Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] names > In a message dated 7/5/2003 5:50:40 PM Mountain Daylight Time, > pegbh@comcast.net writes: > > > my line is from her Burns marriage. Her > > husband died someplace, we think Red River, but no burial proof > > Hi, > What was the first name of her BURNS husband? I also have BURNS. > > Phyllis > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >