In a message dated 8/9/2005 6:13:17 PM Mountain Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Just checked my dictionary to make sure I wasn't imagining words; tow is a coarse fiber from jute or hemp and gunny is a cloth made from coarse fibers, so tow sack and gunny sack, which we used interchangeably, are appropriate words for what us Okies and Texicans used in ever day use. Billy Well, I am 60+, born in Texas, lived most of my life in Colorado and I have always called them both . My parents were both born and raised in northeast Texas. My father was born in Lake Creek, Delta County and my mother was born in Minter and raised in Cunningham so they passed down many Texas euphemisms that have really enriched our vocabularies. My favorite was "I'll be there directly - which could mean in a minute, in an hour or when I am good and ready! <smile>. Phyllis Carpenter Grand Junction, CO

that was one of my dad's best friends growing up....they graduated together. My dad was 16 also, when they graduated. Wish I had a phone number to call the family and let them know we are praying for them.....lets see, he was the last one living I believe, of that graduating class.....unless the lady in the Clarksville nursing home is still alive....sorry, I do not recall her name. Debra.

I thought that was burlap....keep it coming, I am getting an education.

They will always be "cardboard boxes" to me; as well as burlap bags will always be "tow sacks" Here is a tidbit from Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: "Cardboard (called corrugated paper in the industry) is a heavy wood-based type of paper, notable for its stiffness and durability. It was first invented in China some time in the 15th century, and is used for a wide variety of purposes. One of its more common uses is as a packaging material." -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 5:58 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Malone Sam: I called them that for years but I now refer to them as card board boxes. I few years back I mentioned toe sack to friends and they still tease me about that Beverly Bakersfield, CA ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&ta rgetid=5429 -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.8/61 - Release Date: 8/1/2005

I just have to tell you guys how much I love this list. I don't participate much, but I read every post and learn more here than any other list I am on. Last month I got in trouble on one of my Yahoo genealogy lists for sharing a turn of the century "Dear John" letter a woman from DeKalb, Texas had written my rascally great grandfather. Several people got really upset with me. I pointed out all I had learned from the Red River list from off topic rambling, but they remained upset, so I removed myself. Their loss! This list is rich in the history of the county, the culture and the way of life in this part of the country, then and now. Plus there is a huge exchange of family information as well as other information. You just never know what little tidbit of information might lead you to something wonderful about your heritage I am still grateful to our dear departed Eddie for emailing me a picture of Avery circa 1923.....the year my Dad was born there. I absolutely treasure the picture. That wouldn't have happened on any other list but this one. You guys are the best!!!!! Warm regards from Texarkana; Nancy

Back in the "old" South a tow sack was also called a "croker" sack. I was a "tow-headed" (light blond) child, and until I learned better tonight on the Txredriv site, I had been allowed to believe that "tow" was linen rather than cannabis. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 5:58 PM Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Malone > Sam: > I called them that for years but I now refer to them as card board boxes. > I > few years back I mentioned toe sack to friends and they still tease me > about > that > > Beverly > Bakersfield, CA > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > > >

Hint for the 3 legged race. Count cadence like you are marching, but count fast. Jim G ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 6:57 PM Subject: [TXREDRIV] Tow sacks > We have three-legged races at our Easter picnic. First we hide eggs from the > Easter Bunny for the children. Later, I hide eggs for the adults! They have > a partner for a 3-legged easter egg hunt! And yep! We use tow sacks!! > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

Thanks Claud, According to the Red River Recollection book, Harry Igo was one of the directors of Madras Cemetery. This was either 1970 or 1982 depending on how you interpret the article. There are a log of Igo graves at Madras and 3 at Concord/Giddens Cemetery with death dates of 1871, 1874 and 1908. The 2 cemeteries are less than 2 miles apart. John Igo of Clarksville died very recently, the was about 60 years of age and had ranched all his life in Red River Co. Yes, went to school with him also. He was one of the real cowboys and in the 50s, that was not the cool thing. You did not wear it, if it did not fit except maybe on rodeo week. The Igo and the Clark boys were all ranchers. Now, (Little) Jim Clark is a banker. Little Jim is what many call him because is real tall like his dad (James/Jim) and his uncles. He is a fine young many and does a lot of good cherty / civic work in Clarksville. There has always been a James Clark in RR Co since the first one. Jim Giddens Paris, Tx ----- Original Message ----- From: "claud robinson " <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 6:57 PM Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Red River County man dies in Plainview > Just to let anyone know in case someone is related. > > > http://www.myplainview.com/paper/topstories/topstory.shtml > > > > Funeral services for philanthropist and agriculture leader Harry Igo, 89, > will be at 10 a.m. Thursday at First United Methodist Church with Dr. Lewis > Holland, pastor, and Dr. Wallace Davis, chancellor emeritus of Wayland > Baptist University, officiating. > > Burial will be in Plainview Cemetery by Bartley Funeral Home. > > The family will receive family and friends from 6-8 p.m. Wednesday at > Bartley Funeral Home. > > Mr. Igo died at 6:58 a.m. Monday, Aug. 8, 2005, at his home under hospice > care. > > Honorary pallbearers will be Doug Douglass, T. Coe Branch, Harley Redin, > Herbert Schott, Bill LaFont, J.A. "Doc" Potts and Charley Rogers. > > Mr. Igo was born Dec. 11, 1915, near Clarksville, Texas, in Red River > County, to Albert and Ella Mae Igo. He was the youngest of six children. > Both parents died when he was young and his older sisters helped raise him. > He graduated from Clarksville High School in 1933 at the age of 16. > > > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&ta rgetid=5429

We have three-legged races at our Easter picnic. First we hide eggs from the Easter Bunny for the children. Later, I hide eggs for the adults! They have a partner for a 3-legged easter egg hunt! And yep! We use tow sacks!!

Sam: I called them that for years but I now refer to them as card board boxes. I few years back I mentioned toe sack to friends and they still tease me about that Beverly Bakersfield, CA

Just to let anyone know in case someone is related. http://www.myplainview.com/paper/topstories/topstory.shtml Funeral services for philanthropist and agriculture leader Harry Igo, 89, will be at 10 a.m. Thursday at First United Methodist Church with Dr. Lewis Holland, pastor, and Dr. Wallace Davis, chancellor emeritus of Wayland Baptist University, officiating. Burial will be in Plainview Cemetery by Bartley Funeral Home. The family will receive family and friends from 6-8 p.m. Wednesday at Bartley Funeral Home. Mr. Igo died at 6:58 a.m. Monday, Aug. 8, 2005, at his home under hospice care. Honorary pallbearers will be Doug Douglass, T. Coe Branch, Harley Redin, Herbert Schott, Bill LaFont, J.A. "Doc" Potts and Charley Rogers. Mr. Igo was born Dec. 11, 1915, near Clarksville, Texas, in Red River County, to Albert and Ella Mae Igo. He was the youngest of six children. Both parents died when he was young and his older sisters helped raise him. He graduated from Clarksville High School in 1933 at the age of 16.

Card Board Boxes are the single wall boxes that hats, shirts and shoes come in. Paste board boxes are the three ply boxes that are pasted together. They are also called corrugated boxes. I have see a lot of brickbats. In fact my drive way is paved with them. Claud Robinson Plainview, Texas

It seems that you and I were raised eating at the same kind of " feed trough ". I remember many times in years gone by, people referring to others as feeding at the same kind of feed trough. I'm sure it is not used very much anymore, but I still remember. Sam Paris ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 5:58 PM Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Malone > Sam: > I called them that for years but I now refer to them as card board boxes. > I > few years back I mentioned toe sack to friends and they still tease me > about > that > > Beverly > Bakersfield, CA > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > >

Just checked my dictionary to make sure I wasn't imagining words; tow is a coarse fiber from jute or hemp and gunny is a cloth made from coarse fibers, so tow sack and gunny sack, which we used interchangeably, are appropriate words for what us Okies and Texicans used in ever day use. Billy ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 5:57 PM Subject: [TXREDRIV] Tow sacks > We have three-legged races at our Easter picnic. First we hide eggs from > the > Easter Bunny for the children. Later, I hide eggs for the adults! They > have > a partner for a 3-legged easter egg hunt! And yep! We use tow sacks!! > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >

Beverly: Don't let them kid you about "tow sacks". I believe "tow " was the kind of material used to make the sacks. Billy ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 4:58 PM Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Malone > Sam: > I called them that for years but I now refer to them as card board boxes. > I > few years back I mentioned toe sack to friends and they still tease me > about > that > > Beverly > Bakersfield, CA > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 >

Let me change this a little. She was raised in Calif.,but she was borned in Charlie, Texas. Does anyone know where that is??? Sam Paris ----- Original Message ----- From: "sam embrey" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Malone > No, just from Calif. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 9:46 AM > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Malone > > >> Yes, that's what we called them in the past. We also said "brick bats". >> You >> must have a really young wife, or sheltered. Ha >> >> Marilyn Trapp Shelby >> Detroit, TX >> >> >> ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== >> >> >> >> ============================== >> New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your >> ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. >> Learn more: >> http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 >> >> > > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Don't worry Sam, you are in good company. Up here in East Tennessee, a lot of folks still call them "paste board boxes," instead of cardboard. Elizabeth Smiddy ----- Original Message ----- From: "sam embrey" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 10:07 AM Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Malone > Help, someone please help me. My wife and I were discussing the cleaning > out of our garage. I told her that we had enough empty " PASTE BOARD BOXES > ", that if we threw them out, our garage would be fine. She has made fun > of me for calling the card board boxes, paste board boxes. Says she never > heard that before. I know some of you have heard that name used, so help > me out. > Sam > Paris > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Giddens" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 6:00 AM > Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Malone > > >> Dah, I plum forgot the genealogy meeting, and we were in C'ville most >> of >> yesterday afternoon with Sue's parents at Regency. The jury is still >> on >> the new ownership, but the food is not as good but paint is splatter up >> and >> down every hall. >> Jim G >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Cynthia Samples" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 9:32 PM >> Subject: RE: [TXREDRIV] Malone >> >> >>> Well, I am related to Ruth. Her maiden name was Carter. She was my >>> mother's first cousin. I lived out in the country there, too. >>> >>> Sharon and I went to the genealogy meeting tonight. Had a huge rain in >>> Clarksville, as far as I can tell, not a drop in Lamar County. >>> >>> Cynthia >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: linda anderson [mailto:[email protected]] >>> Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 6:58 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: RE: [TXREDRIV] Elmore - Ala & Tenn >>> >>> Yes I am related to Jim and Ruth! He is my great uncle, brother to my >>> grandfather.....Robert Wilson Malone. Robt lived in Paris, TX. Jim also >> had >>> bro/sis in Bagwell, Wesley, Richard, George, and Jim's mother lived in >>> Bagwell until 1952 when she died. Jim died in 1978 and Ruth in 1991. >>> They lived out in the country there and didn't come out very often. They >> had >>> >>> no children. He'd come out and go down to Buster Ham's little grocery >> store >>> >>> there in "Little Chicago" and sell eggs to him. They stayed pretty close >> to >>> home I think! >>> So how in the world do you know Jim and Ruth? >>> It's a small world, isn't it! >>> Linda >>> >>> >>> >>> ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== >>> >>> >>> >>> ============================== >>> Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for >>> ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: >>> http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >> >> >> ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== >> >> >> >> ============================== >> Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. >> New content added every business day. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >> >> > > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > >

Yes, that's what we called them in the past. We also said "brick bats". You must have a really young wife, or sheltered. Ha Marilyn Trapp Shelby Detroit, TX

Simple as it is written, this is my Grandfather, Pop Russell's recipe for Corn Meal Dumplings with Ham Hock Ham hock - Boil in water until meat falls off bone. Dumplings - Make hot water corn bread with a little chile powder added. Drop hot water corn meal in boiling ham hock broth. Papa's Hot Water Cornbread Boil Water. 1 1/2 cup Plain White Corn Meal - no self rise Salt to taste Pour Hot Water to desired thickness. Wet hand with cold water. Roll 1 1/2 tablespoon into ball. Put on wax paper. Smash with hand and make fingerprints. (Or in case of dumplings, drop in ham hock boil). Fry slowly in cooking oil. This is all I have. However, I will add once more - they were delicious. I would think you would have to cover the pot as you would for regular dumplings. Rosalie/New Boston In a message dated 8/7/2005 8:45:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: I think we'd all like to have it. So how about posting to the list. That has to be considered genealogy since it came from an ancestor...lololol Carol

You bet I have heard them called paste board boxes. It has been a while since I heard them called that. Brought back some memories for me. Rosalie/New Boston