Hi guys. You may know that I live in DeKalb Tx but I am from South Louisiana. I'm not asking for donations or anything...just some info to maybe help my Grandparents. I've mentioned them before...both Vets of WWII. Well, they survived Rita but they also got two trees through their roof...only one small hole through the ceiling though....lots of cleaning to be done and limbs down. The nearest family is 4 hrs away from them and they recieved their own damages but are getting to go and help some...They are now living in the house with a tarp on their roof. They were out of their home for two weeks due to lack of electricity. They lost 3 freezers of meat and fish. They had deer meat and bass and squirrels and sausage and wild boar...Anything hunted and I can't buy at the grocery store. They lost everything foodwise from Salt and flour to all that meat. They had enough meat to live their lives on. How can I go about replacing that? I don't know. Anyway...I'm wondering if perhaps their is special help for Veterans in need...or for the elderly in general? They are both retired and on Social Security. I know she spent the day in line to sign up with FEMA and I know that it was very hard on her to do...both physically and mentally. We gave lots from here after Katrina...so many people are taking donations...but for the life of me I can't figure out how to get them on a list anywhere. Even just to get checked on. Maw will always say they are fine...that's how they are. He has already fallen from the ladder onto the concrete once. He's a stubborn man but a truly good man trying to take care of his business. So, please don't get me wrong, I'm not soliciting anything from ya'll.....Just wondering if you had any ideas to share. Jerri in De Kalb

Just wonder, do they live close to Zwolly (sp), La. I know a Gerald Ezernack from there. I know it is in that area, south of Mansfield, La. I went there one time for his wedding in 1962 when I was at Barksdale AFB. Jim Giddens Paris, Tx ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 3:25 PM Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Rita report...elderly help? > Thanks Bonnie. Glad to hear you are well. We managed fine here...wind got > scary, but we never lost lights and we got much needed rain. > My Grandparents live down by Toledo Bend...on the Louisiana side...not far > from Leesville. But they live miles from town in a fairly secluded area and > most of their neighbors are widowed ladies. So help is needed, I'm sure. Their > possessions were saved...but I'm afraid that having to start your pantry and > such from scratch will prevent them from getting their meds refilled. Alot of > their stuff came from the garden, which due to our summer, I can't help them > there...ours died early on...LOL > I shall keep trying to find them something because I know they would never > ever ask. > Jerri > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

the fema you can sign up on the computer lots easier the red cross you have to stand in line but if you tell them you are unable to stand that long they will take you to the front of the line (besure they do tell them that they are unable to stand that long)or you can try the phone #but i hear its always busy)redcross=$300.00 per person in house hold also tell them to apply for food stamps! sorry if this shouldnt be on the list . if you need more info feel free to call me 337-828-1551 where are they living? ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 2:50 PM Subject: [TXREDRIV] Rita report...elderly help? > Hi guys. You may know that I live in DeKalb Tx but I am from South > Louisiana. I'm not asking for donations or anything...just some info to > maybe help my > Grandparents. I've mentioned them before...both Vets of WWII. Well, they > survived Rita but they also got two trees through their roof...only one > small > hole through the ceiling though....lots of cleaning to be done and limbs > down. > The nearest family is 4 hrs away from them and they recieved their own > damages > but are getting to go and help some...They are now living in the house > with a > tarp on their roof. They were out of their home for two weeks due to lack > of > electricity. They lost 3 freezers of meat and fish. They had deer meat > and > bass and squirrels and sausage and wild boar...Anything hunted and I can't > buy > at the grocery store. They lost everything foodwise from Salt and flour > to > all that meat. They had enough meat to live their lives on. How can I go > about > replacing that? I don't know. > Anyway...I'm wondering if perhaps their is special help for Veterans in > need...or for the elderly in general? They are both retired and on Social > Security. I know she spent the day in line to sign up with FEMA and I > know that it > was very hard on her to do...both physically and mentally. We gave lots > from > here after Katrina...so many people are taking donations...but for the > life of > me I can't figure out how to get them on a list anywhere. Even just to > get > checked on. Maw will always say they are fine...that's how they are. > He has already fallen from the ladder onto the concrete once. He's a > stubborn man but a truly good man trying to take care of his business. > So, please > don't get me wrong, I'm not soliciting anything from ya'll.....Just > wondering if > you had any ideas to share. > Jerri in De Kalb > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.13/126 - Release Date: 10/9/2005 > >

Hi Jerri, I sure do not know of any help for your grandfolks, and they sound "Grand", alright. I am okay and glad to be here in this backwater place. Afraid to read headlines from anywhere, since there are so many disasters and piling up worse all the time. I hope you find help for them. Glad to hear from Texas folks and hope all keep on making it as best as you and they can. Bonnie Idabel, Ok >From: [email protected] >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: [TXREDRIV] Rita report...elderly help? >Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 15:50:40 EDT > >Hi guys. You may know that I live in DeKalb Tx but I am from South >Louisiana. I'm not asking for donations or anything...just some info to >maybe help my >Grandparents. I've mentioned them before...both Vets of WWII. Well, they >survived Rita but they also got two trees through their roof...only one >small >hole through the ceiling though....lots of cleaning to be done and limbs >down. >The nearest family is 4 hrs away from them and they recieved their own >damages >but are getting to go and help some...They are now living in the house with >a >tarp on their roof. They were out of their home for two weeks due to lack >of >electricity. They lost 3 freezers of meat and fish. They had deer meat >and >bass and squirrels and sausage and wild boar...Anything hunted and I can't >buy >at the grocery store. They lost everything foodwise from Salt and flour to >all that meat. They had enough meat to live their lives on. How can I go >about >replacing that? I don't know. >Anyway...I'm wondering if perhaps their is special help for Veterans in >need...or for the elderly in general? They are both retired and on Social >Security. I know she spent the day in line to sign up with FEMA and I know >that it >was very hard on her to do...both physically and mentally. We gave lots >from >here after Katrina...so many people are taking donations...but for the life >of >me I can't figure out how to get them on a list anywhere. Even just to get >checked on. Maw will always say they are fine...that's how they are. >He has already fallen from the ladder onto the concrete once. He's a >stubborn man but a truly good man trying to take care of his business. So, >please >don't get me wrong, I'm not soliciting anything from ya'll.....Just >wondering if >you had any ideas to share. >Jerri in De Kalb > > >==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > >============================== >Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

Hi Jerri, I might be able to lend some info. My mom is a social worker for the VA. Contact me off the list and I will give you her email. Estella Mims ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 12:50 PM Subject: [TXREDRIV] Rita report...elderly help? Hi guys. You may know that I live in DeKalb Tx but I am from South Louisiana. I'm not asking for donations or anything...just some info to maybe help my Grandparents. I've mentioned them before...both Vets of WWII. Well, they survived Rita but they also got two trees through their roof...only one small hole through the ceiling though....lots of cleaning to be done and limbs down. The nearest family is 4 hrs away from them and they recieved their own damages but are getting to go and help some...They are now living in the house with a tarp on their roof. They were out of their home for two weeks due to lack of electricity. They lost 3 freezers of meat and fish. They had deer meat and bass and squirrels and sausage and wild boar...Anything hunted and I can't buy at the grocery store. They lost everything foodwise from Salt and flour to all that meat. They had enough meat to live their lives on. How can I go about replacing that? I don't know. Anyway...I'm wondering if perhaps their is special help for Veterans in need...or for the elderly in general? They are both retired and on Social Security. I know she spent the day in line to sign up with FEMA and I know that it was very hard on her to do...both physically and mentally. We gave lots from here after Katrina...so many people are taking donations...but for the life of me I can't figure out how to get them on a list anywhere. Even just to get checked on. Maw will always say they are fine...that's how they are. He has already fallen from the ladder onto the concrete once. He's a stubborn man but a truly good man trying to take care of his business. So, please don't get me wrong, I'm not soliciting anything from ya'll.....Just wondering if you had any ideas to share. Jerri in De Kalb ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx<http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx>

Thanks so much for this info. My grandfather would have been 19 years old I don`t know if it was him or not. Never can tell Sue in al.

Sue According to my copy of the RRCo Marriage License Index 1846-1903, the marriage license for CB Love and Mary Johnson on 1891 Book G page 142 was not executed. Charles Lawson Huntsville TX At 01:36 PM 10/9/2005 , you wrote: >Just wondered if anyone has access to the 1910 and/or 1900 census >I am interested to see if one C. B. Love who married a Mary Johnson in Red >River Co. in 1901, is still on the census. >If so then he is probably not "my" Charles Bell Love who is on the 1910 >census in Liberty County >My grandfather was also known by C. B. Love >but you never know. Do you? >There was also a Robert Love who married there in 1903. My C. B. Love had a >bro. named William Robert Love >thanks >Sue in Al.

Thanks so much annette I`ll ck it out I have a "trogladite" for a pc. sue in Al.

The 1900 RR Census is on the Red River County page in TX Genweb. I can't get to the exact address right now because of computer difficulties. Annette ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 11:36 AM Subject: [TXREDRIV] RELC. B. Love 1900&1910 census? > Just wondered if anyone has access to the 1910 and/or 1900 census > I am interested to see if one C. B. Love who married a Mary Johnson in Red > River Co. in 1901, is still on the census. > If so then he is probably not "my" Charles Bell Love who is on the 1910 > census in Liberty County > My grandfather was also known by C. B. Love > but you never know. Do you? > There was also a Robert Love who married there in 1903. My C. B. Love had a > bro. named William Robert Love > thanks > Sue in Al. > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Just wondered if anyone has access to the 1910 and/or 1900 census I am interested to see if one C. B. Love who married a Mary Johnson in Red River Co. in 1901, is still on the census. If so then he is probably not "my" Charles Bell Love who is on the 1910 census in Liberty County My grandfather was also known by C. B. Love but you never know. Do you? There was also a Robert Love who married there in 1903. My C. B. Love had a bro. named William Robert Love thanks Sue in Al.

In the September 14, 2005 edition of RootsWeb Review there was a notation about an article on "Lost Texas Death Certificates" by James Pylant and a list of affidavit, "added," and official (pre-1903 state registration) Texas death records. The link was given as: http://www.genealogymagazine.com/eatedece.html There was one entry for Red River County listed under "Probate Obituary Deaths" — Bureau of Vital Statistics Surname Given Name Death Date County File No. KIMBEL Granard Patterson 18 Jan. 1902 Red River 9 Charles Lawson Huntsville TX

I went to the Red River County Fall Bazaar today. Lot of people, but not as many as last year it seems to me. Saw several old friends and one school mate I had not seen since high school days. He is Mike Colbert. Lives in Breckenridge, Tx. (about 28 years). He is about 3 years younger than my 64. I think he has been a teacher and a coach there but not sure. He was always a good kid, and I am sure he still is. Saw a picture of military 1923 of Co-I 144th Infantry Camp Mabry. Picture had about 50 soldiers in the group. Enjoy walking through the "Miss Bell" House and also seeing the pictures of cowboys of Red River County. My cousins lived in this old house when I was 6 years old. I remember I was taken there after I had my tonsils out when I was in the 1st grade. I did not think of it as a historical house of course at that time, just another old rent house, but it was big and the stair banisters were deadly to slide down, but we did. Also toured the courthouse again. First time I have been in it since the rededications. Now is has all the gallery seats or what every you call them. I wanted to get into the tower, but no one to un-lock that door. Jim Giddens Paris, Tx

Though you folks may like reading this. It was sent to we as a reply to some genealogy searching. I hope the URL at the bottom does not mess up anything. Jim Giddens ----- Original Message ----- From: Hoyle Shirley To: Jim Giddens Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 8:27 PM Subject: Re: Giddens - Stiles Jim, I was in the Cooper High School band 1945-1948 and one of those years we played Clarksville and Jess Stiles was a one man wrecking machine for them. I don't know about the genealogy. Did you include Jess Giddens, Jr in you email? Here's a little bio I picked up from the internet. Jesse Stiles, a five year letterman at Clarksville High School (7th grade; 9th - 12th grades; did not letter in 8th grade due to broken leg; this was before the time of the age-semester rule); played football at Baylor Univ., Paris Junior College and Texas Tech; coached football at Texas A & M and Texas Tech University; Asst. Athletic Director, Texas Tech University. For a big write up click here: http://texastech.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/092405aaa.html Jim Giddens <[email protected]> wrote: Giddens Genealogy, Thought this interesting genealogy point in a recent obit. Obit in Paris New of Charles Dedrick Stiles, of Clarksville, Tx born 1926 in Clarksville. One of his surviving relatives is a brother, Jess Giddens Stiles and wife Treva of Lubbock. I had been told only less than a year ago that Jess's middle name was Giddens for his Giddens ancestor (mother or grandmother). I don't have my fingers on the chart right now to quote the Giddens to Stiles marriage, this is not the marriage of John Giddens to Sarah Stiles. It is confusing because Murray Giles's of on the English/Concord area, mother or grandmother was also a Giddens. I talked with Murray (once RR Co Judge) about the Giles / Giddens relation about 2 years ago. Jess was know for his outstanding football playing in Clarksville. Must have been in the 40s or maybe even earlier. I am told he played at Texas Tech and was a assistant football coach for many years. I believe it was someone that knew of him from Lubbock that told me his middle name was Giddens. John Stiles, (1797 to 1854) and his wife Sarah K Reed Stiles are buried at Concord Cemetery with the many Giddens. John Stiles is know for his friendship with Sam Houston and David Crockett and hosting them in his home after they would cross the Red River, traveling to Texas. John Stiles was put in charge of the caring for Santa Anna after he was captured. John Stiles and his men arrived shortly after the battle and his grave marker has Tex Rev War plaque. I often figure (or hope) to find evidence that a Giddens was part of Stiles's group of men the took to battle, but I have never found any. I do know that Richard F Giddens was a 1st Sgt in the Black Hawk War in ILL before coming to Texas. Jim Giddens

Thanks Jerri for your reply - keep up the good work. Carol Harris

Hi. Glad to meet you. I peeked at census and saw your R. Sid Rushing was born in Missouri. I can't definately even put mine in Texas, as they were in Mississippi then Louisiana, but I heard through family that some came to Texas. So I kinda try to place them all too. I'll try to see where this Rushing's father or G-father came from...sometimes its simple, sometimes not...but I'll be glad to look. Jerri The other line of Rushings---Fannie Smith Rushing...her husband ...that line came from Tennessee.

Have seen your posting and wonder if you are kin to the Rushing family buried in Old Union Cem near Mt Pleasant TX. My great aunt Nancy Taft married Reuben Sidney Rushing in 1906 in Camp Co, TX and he died May 8, 1948. Trying to learn all I can about family and Gotta check them all. I really like the RRC list and and have gotten a lot of info there. I also have Bishop and Batchelor kin in Box Elder Cem. Keep up the great work. Carol Hamm Harris Longview TX

FROM: Bob Merriman Bridget I really don't know anything about Edward West, except that he was sheriff for a number of years. It is always interesting to read the back of the summonses, with information writen sometimes in pencil, sometimes in ink, reading "On (date) delivered to (person)," then so many miles traveled and the amount due the sheriff. I assume the sheriff and/or deputies made a circuit before each court session, probably by horseback, since roads were limited. In a county as large as Red River, it would have taken the sheriff some days to deliver all the summonses. ----- Original Message ----- From: "stiverson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2005 12:56 PM Subject: Re: [TXREDRIV] Henry Wagner > Priscilla, > > I do not have anything on Henry Wagner, however, I am interested on any > information that you may have (or other articles that you may have > written) with information regarding the County Sherrif Edward West. I > have the genealogical line of Edward West going through to my daughter > and back to his fathers origins. My main interest is finding out any > other information about him and his family in Red River County . . . I > am researching the following in Red River County, West (Edward), Van > Dyke (Lambert), Smith (William), and Jones. > > Bridget Stiverson > > PRISCILLA MERRIMAN wrote: > > >Does anybody know anything about Henry Wagner? He was a settler in RR County in the 1840s, maybe earlier. I ask because of a court case filed in 1844. I wrote a column on the case for the Paris newspaper, and rewrote it a little as below: > > > > On Christmas Day 1843, somebody beat the tar out of Henry Wagner. > > > > Not satisfied with doing bodily harm to the Red River County resident, the assailants then threw Wagner out of Texas, presumably casting him onto the north shore of the Red River. > > > > Those days, toward the end of the Republic, Texas was becoming a bit more civilized, so Wagner didn't take pistolero justice. > > > > Instead, Wagner did what many modern Texans do under less painful circumstances -- He sued. > > > > On Feb. 23, 1844, apparently recovered from his injuries and having returned to the Republic, Wagner filed suit for damages in Seventh District Court. > > > > In Wagner vs. Becknell and Guest, Wagner's attorneys, Martin and White, allege that "on the twenty-fifth day of December eighteen hundred and forty-three defendants did with force of arms commit trespass upon the person of your petitioner by beating wounding and otherwise misusing him and did then and there with force of arms to wit sticks and staves and fists beat bruise wound and greatly mistreat and abuse said petitioner and afterwards to wit on the day and year last aforesaid the said defendants did falsely imprison tie and confine and carry beyond the limits of this Republic your said petitioner with other wrongs to him then and there done whereby your petitioner was greatly injured and hindered in his business contrary to the laws of said Republic." > > > > So, according to the civil suit, William Becknell and William Guest beat and otherwise set upon Wagner, using sticks, staves and fists. > > > > Wagner considered his injuries serious, "to the damages of your petitioner five thousand dollars." That sum was a great deal of money in 1844. > > > > The men Wagner sued, though, were two of the most influential people in Red River County. Becknell was so well known, the State of Texas in 1936 put up a monument in his name. The monument is a few miles west of Clarksville and south of U.S. Highway 82, at the edge of a clump of trees, where Becknell is buried. > > > > Becknell was an adventurer, before the word took on negative connotations. An explorer of the West 15 years before Texas became a republic, Becknell made the Sante Fe Trail. Becknell was in the Rocky Mountains in 1821, when Mexico became independent from Spain and developed a tolerable attitude toward American traders. Hearing of the changed trade possibilities, Becknell took a pack train to Sante Fe, returning with a substantial profit. That trip was the first commercially successful undertaking from the United States to Sante Fe. The next year, Becknell loaded wagons with commercial goods and headed southwest from Independence, Missouri. Traveling 800 miles, Becknell proved the profitability of relations between the United States of America and the United States of Mexico. Later moving to Texas, Becknell raised a group of mounted infantry in the short war of independence. > > > > Guest, the other party in Williams' damage suit, was not as famous as Becknell, but was of some local reputation and later was elected county sheriff. > > > > Wagner might have been better off had he been beaten up by lesser known men. > > > > With the suit filed by Wagner's attorneys, District Clerk W.H. Vining followed proper procedure and on Feb. 26, 1844, issued summonses to be served on Becknell and Guest. > > > > County Sheriff Edward West received the summonses the same day, but for some reason was unable to find Becknell and Guest. Written on the back of the summonses is: "Traveled twice to Becknell and Guest residence neither found." Some might think it strange that Becknell and Guest, as well known as they were, knew nothing of Wagner's suit, nor did Sheriff West know of the whereabouts of the accused. > > > > The case came up for trial on March 19, 1844, but District Judge John T. Mills, ruling the accused had not received notification, ordered a continuance until the fall session. > > > > Sometime between March and September, District Clerk Vining received a note concerning the suit. > > > > "Capt. Vining," the note begins. "Sir this is to inform you that I stand no longer as security for Mr. Wagner for the (unreadable) of a suit he entered against Becknell and others. Respectfully yours H.G. Faucett." > > > > In the end, Wagner did not get any damage money, let alone the $5,000 he wanted. > > > > On Sept. 28, 1844, Judge Mills ruled: "Upon agreement it is ordered by the court that the case be dismissed." > > > > Wagner paid court costs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > >============================== > >New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > >

Does anybody know anything about Henry Wagner? He was a settler in RR County in the 1840s, maybe earlier. I ask because of a court case filed in 1844. I wrote a column on the case for the Paris newspaper, and rewrote it a little as below: On Christmas Day 1843, somebody beat the tar out of Henry Wagner. Not satisfied with doing bodily harm to the Red River County resident, the assailants then threw Wagner out of Texas, presumably casting him onto the north shore of the Red River. Those days, toward the end of the Republic, Texas was becoming a bit more civilized, so Wagner didn't take pistolero justice. Instead, Wagner did what many modern Texans do under less painful circumstances -- He sued. On Feb. 23, 1844, apparently recovered from his injuries and having returned to the Republic, Wagner filed suit for damages in Seventh District Court. In Wagner vs. Becknell and Guest, Wagner's attorneys, Martin and White, allege that "on the twenty-fifth day of December eighteen hundred and forty-three defendants did with force of arms commit trespass upon the person of your petitioner by beating wounding and otherwise misusing him and did then and there with force of arms to wit sticks and staves and fists beat bruise wound and greatly mistreat and abuse said petitioner and afterwards to wit on the day and year last aforesaid the said defendants did falsely imprison tie and confine and carry beyond the limits of this Republic your said petitioner with other wrongs to him then and there done whereby your petitioner was greatly injured and hindered in his business contrary to the laws of said Republic." So, according to the civil suit, William Becknell and William Guest beat and otherwise set upon Wagner, using sticks, staves and fists. Wagner considered his injuries serious, "to the damages of your petitioner five thousand dollars." That sum was a great deal of money in 1844. The men Wagner sued, though, were two of the most influential people in Red River County. Becknell was so well known, the State of Texas in 1936 put up a monument in his name. The monument is a few miles west of Clarksville and south of U.S. Highway 82, at the edge of a clump of trees, where Becknell is buried. Becknell was an adventurer, before the word took on negative connotations. An explorer of the West 15 years before Texas became a republic, Becknell made the Sante Fe Trail. Becknell was in the Rocky Mountains in 1821, when Mexico became independent from Spain and developed a tolerable attitude toward American traders. Hearing of the changed trade possibilities, Becknell took a pack train to Sante Fe, returning with a substantial profit. That trip was the first commercially successful undertaking from the United States to Sante Fe. The next year, Becknell loaded wagons with commercial goods and headed southwest from Independence, Missouri. Traveling 800 miles, Becknell proved the profitability of relations between the United States of America and the United States of Mexico. Later moving to Texas, Becknell raised a group of mounted infantry in the short war of independence. Guest, the other party in Williams' damage suit, was not as famous as Becknell, but was of some local reputation and later was elected county sheriff. Wagner might have been better off had he been beaten up by lesser known men. With the suit filed by Wagner's attorneys, District Clerk W.H. Vining followed proper procedure and on Feb. 26, 1844, issued summonses to be served on Becknell and Guest. County Sheriff Edward West received the summonses the same day, but for some reason was unable to find Becknell and Guest. Written on the back of the summonses is: "Traveled twice to Becknell and Guest residence neither found." Some might think it strange that Becknell and Guest, as well known as they were, knew nothing of Wagner's suit, nor did Sheriff West know of the whereabouts of the accused. The case came up for trial on March 19, 1844, but District Judge John T. Mills, ruling the accused had not received notification, ordered a continuance until the fall session. Sometime between March and September, District Clerk Vining received a note concerning the suit. "Capt. Vining," the note begins. "Sir this is to inform you that I stand no longer as security for Mr. Wagner for the (unreadable) of a suit he entered against Becknell and others. Respectfully yours H.G. Faucett." In the end, Wagner did not get any damage money, let alone the $5,000 he wanted. On Sept. 28, 1844, Judge Mills ruled: "Upon agreement it is ordered by the court that the case be dismissed." Wagner paid court costs.

Priscilla, I do not have anything on Henry Wagner, however, I am interested on any information that you may have (or other articles that you may have written) with information regarding the County Sherrif Edward West. I have the genealogical line of Edward West going through to my daughter and back to his fathers origins. My main interest is finding out any other information about him and his family in Red River County . . . I am researching the following in Red River County, West (Edward), Van Dyke (Lambert), Smith (William), and Jones. Bridget Stiverson PRISCILLA MERRIMAN wrote: >Does anybody know anything about Henry Wagner? He was a settler in RR County in the 1840s, maybe earlier. I ask because of a court case filed in 1844. I wrote a column on the case for the Paris newspaper, and rewrote it a little as below: > > On Christmas Day 1843, somebody beat the tar out of Henry Wagner. > > Not satisfied with doing bodily harm to the Red River County resident, the assailants then threw Wagner out of Texas, presumably casting him onto the north shore of the Red River. > > Those days, toward the end of the Republic, Texas was becoming a bit more civilized, so Wagner didn't take pistolero justice. > > Instead, Wagner did what many modern Texans do under less painful circumstances -- He sued. > > On Feb. 23, 1844, apparently recovered from his injuries and having returned to the Republic, Wagner filed suit for damages in Seventh District Court. > > In Wagner vs. Becknell and Guest, Wagner's attorneys, Martin and White, allege that "on the twenty-fifth day of December eighteen hundred and forty-three defendants did with force of arms commit trespass upon the person of your petitioner by beating wounding and otherwise misusing him and did then and there with force of arms to wit sticks and staves and fists beat bruise wound and greatly mistreat and abuse said petitioner and afterwards to wit on the day and year last aforesaid the said defendants did falsely imprison tie and confine and carry beyond the limits of this Republic your said petitioner with other wrongs to him then and there done whereby your petitioner was greatly injured and hindered in his business contrary to the laws of said Republic." > > So, according to the civil suit, William Becknell and William Guest beat and otherwise set upon Wagner, using sticks, staves and fists. > > Wagner considered his injuries serious, "to the damages of your petitioner five thousand dollars." That sum was a great deal of money in 1844. > > The men Wagner sued, though, were two of the most influential people in Red River County. Becknell was so well known, the State of Texas in 1936 put up a monument in his name. The monument is a few miles west of Clarksville and south of U.S. Highway 82, at the edge of a clump of trees, where Becknell is buried. > > Becknell was an adventurer, before the word took on negative connotations. An explorer of the West 15 years before Texas became a republic, Becknell made the Sante Fe Trail. Becknell was in the Rocky Mountains in 1821, when Mexico became independent from Spain and developed a tolerable attitude toward American traders. Hearing of the changed trade possibilities, Becknell took a pack train to Sante Fe, returning with a substantial profit. That trip was the first commercially successful undertaking from the United States to Sante Fe. The next year, Becknell loaded wagons with commercial goods and headed southwest from Independence, Missouri. Traveling 800 miles, Becknell proved the profitability of relations between the United States of America and the United States of Mexico. Later moving to Texas, Becknell raised a group of mounted infantry in the short war of independence. > > Guest, the other party in Williams' damage suit, was not as famous as Becknell, but was of some local reputation and later was elected county sheriff. > > Wagner might have been better off had he been beaten up by lesser known men. > > With the suit filed by Wagner's attorneys, District Clerk W.H. Vining followed proper procedure and on Feb. 26, 1844, issued summonses to be served on Becknell and Guest. > > County Sheriff Edward West received the summonses the same day, but for some reason was unable to find Becknell and Guest. Written on the back of the summonses is: "Traveled twice to Becknell and Guest residence neither found." Some might think it strange that Becknell and Guest, as well known as they were, knew nothing of Wagner's suit, nor did Sheriff West know of the whereabouts of the accused. > > The case came up for trial on March 19, 1844, but District Judge John T. Mills, ruling the accused had not received notification, ordered a continuance until the fall session. > > Sometime between March and September, District Clerk Vining received a note concerning the suit. > > "Capt. Vining," the note begins. "Sir this is to inform you that I stand no longer as security for Mr. Wagner for the (unreadable) of a suit he entered against Becknell and others. Respectfully yours H.G. Faucett." > > In the end, Wagner did not get any damage money, let alone the $5,000 he wanted. > > On Sept. 28, 1844, Judge Mills ruled: "Upon agreement it is ordered by the court that the case be dismissed." > > Wagner paid court costs. > > > > > > >==== TXREDRIV Mailing List ==== > > > >============================== >New! 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This is not genealogy, but a very interesting and current happening in Red River County. The message below is from Eddie Pryor to our high school e-mail group. Remember, Dimple Mall is at Dimple, but it is not a mall, but a convenient store that serves meals) I think anyone that reads it, will enjoy and be glad they did) Jim Giddens Paris, Tx Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 10:32 AM Subject: Wild Hogs Helen just sent me down to the Dimple Mall for some items she needed and I am glad she did. While I was there a friend of ours named Chris Quick drove up with 5 wild hogs he trapped last night. We have so many wild hogs now that ranchers and farmers will pay people to come in and trap them or shoot them. They are so destructive and dangerous that they want them done away with. Billy and I trapped more than 70 on one ranch several years ago and didn't make a dent. Anyway, Chris got to telling me about an experience he had last year concerning hogs. Him and 2 more guys were rounding up cattle on the ranch where Chris works. He said they had 6 good cow dogs. One he had paid $650.00 for and another he had paid $350.00 for. One man from Oklahoma (I can't remember his name) had a dog he had paid $1000.00 for and Chris said the dogs were all worth what they had paid for them. In other words they were good cow dogs. Now any cow dog worth his salt will run a wild hog but they didn't want their dogs on the hogs because they were too valuable as cow dogs. However, the dogs ran across a hot hog trail and took off. They followed after and soon caught up. The dogs had bayed the hog on a berry thicket and Chris said that first he didn't think the hog was very big but when they got closer he charged out of the thicket and they could see that he was huge. The dogs soon bayed him again in an old treetop and when they rode up he charged them this time. Chris said that Robin Bland was riding a big gray colt that was only about half broke and when the hog charged the horse broke in two and went to running and bucking. Robins rope fell down and as luck would have it the hog ran through it and the rope tightened around the hogs snout behind his tusks. Chris said you couldn't have made a prettier catch on purpose. By the time Robin got his horse under control Chris and the other man dismounted and ran up on foot to tie the hog down. As they were running up one of the dogs ran in to grab the hogs ears and even though he had a noose around his nose the hog disemboweled the dog before the could get him down. They finally got him stretched out and tied up and looked around for their other dogs. Chris said his $650.00 dog and the man from Oklahomas $1000.00 dog came up both dragging their innards. This hog that they didn't even want to run in the first place had in the space of a few minutes killed 3 very expensive stock dogs. Thats another reason people don't want them around. EP