Ladies & Gentlemen, I know that this is not "genealogy" but I am also aware of several men and their wives on lists that served in Vietnam and thought they should be aware of this: I received this from one of my other (less active) lists, I debated with my self if I should pass it on to this list. Then I decided that I was going to. If I offend anyone, I apologize in advance. My thoughts are that it is out responsibility to ensure that history is not forgotten or ignored. That this does pertain to our nations history and our families as well. .I received this and was asked to forward it on. I think this is something that we should all care about. We owe it to the thousands who have served our country, suffered and died. The attached message is about an episode in our country's history . Our children are already studying the time and this war in school. Lest anyone say this does not belong on a genealogy and history list -- I tell you now that I disagree. I think we should stand up for those who stood up for us. Please read on. Subject: Fw: Dear Jane! Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 14:35:18 -0500 I am forwarding this as I served during WW2, Korea & Vietnam as a non-combatant but as a patriot. Tokyo Rose went to prison for her part in WW2 and about all she did was provide entertainment for the troops, at least that was the way most saw it, but this one did worse and will never be charged. PLEASE read this through. GORDON Subject: Dear Jane! Looks like Hanoi Jane may be honored as one of the "100 Women of the Century". JANE FONDA remembered? Unfortunately many have forgotten and still countless others have never known how Ms. Fonda betrayed not only the idea of our "country" but the men who served and sacrificed during Vietnam. There are few things I have strong visceral reactions to, but Jane Fonda's participation in what I believe to be blatant treason, is one of them. Part of my conviction comes from exposure to those who suffered her attentions. The first part of this is from an F-4E pilot. The pilot's name is Jerry Driscoll, a River Rat. In 1978, the Commandant of the USAF Survival School was a former POW in Ho Lo Prison-the "Hanoi Hilton". Dragged from a stinking cesspit of a cell, cleaned, fed, and dressed in clean PJs, he was ordered to describe for a visiting American "Peace Activist" the "lenient and humane treatment" he'd received. He spat at Ms. Fonda, was clubbed, and dragged away. During the subsequent beating, he fell forward upon the camp Commandant's feet, accidentally pulling the man's shoe off-which sent that officer berserk. In '78, the AF Col still suffered from double vision (which permanently ended his flying days) from the Vietnamese Col's frenzied application of wooden baton. >From 1983-85, Col Larry Carrigan was the 347FW/DO (F-4Es). He' spent 6 years in the "Hilton", the first three of which he was "missing in action". His wife lived on faith that he was still alive. His group, too, got the cleaned/fed/clothed routine in preparation for a "peace delegation" visit. They, however, had time and devised a plan to get word to the world that they still survived. Each man secreted a tiny piece of paper, with his SSN on it, in the palm of his hand. When paraded before Ms. Fonda and a cameraman, she walked the line, shaking each man's hand and asking little encouraging snippets like: "Aren't you sorry you bombed babies?" and "Are you grateful for the humane treatment from your benevolent captors?" Believing this HAD to be an act, they each palmed her their sliver of paper. She took them all without missing a beat. At the end of the line and once the camera stopped rolling, to the shocked disbelief of the POWs, she turned to the officer in charge...and handed him the little pile. Three men died from the subsequent beatings. Col Carrigan was almost number four. For years after their release, a group of determined former POWs Including Col Carrigan, tried to bring Ms. Fonda and others up on charges of treason. I don't know that they used it, but the charge of "Negligent Homicide due to Depraved Indifference" would also seem appropriate. Her obvious "granting of aid and comfort to the enemy", alone, should've been sufficient for the treason count. However, to date, Jane Fonda has never been formally charged with anything and continues to enjoy the privileged life of the rich and famous. I, personally, think that this is shame on us, the American Citizenry. Part of our shortfall is ignorance: most don't know such actions ever took place. Thought you might appreciate the knowledge. Most of you've probably already seen this by now... only addition I might add to these sentiments is to remember the satisfaction of relieving myself into the urinal at some airbase or another where "zaps" of Hanoi Jane's face had been applied. To whom it may concern: I was a civilian economic development advisor in Viet Nam, and was captured by the North Vietnamese communists in South Viet Nam in1968, and held for over 5 years. I spent 27 months in solitary confinement, one year in a cage in Cambodia, and one year in a "black box" in Hanoi. My North Vietnamese captors deliberately poisoned and murdered a femal missionary, a nurse in a leprosarium in Ban me Thuot, SouthVietnam, whom I buried in the jungle near the Cambodian border. At one time, I was weighing approximately 90 lbs. (My normal weight is 170 lbs.) We were Jane Fonda's "war criminals." When Jane Fonda was in Hanoi, I was asked by the camp communist political officer if I would be willing to meet with Jane Fonda. I said yes, for I would like to tell her about the real treatment we POWs were receiving, which was far different from the treatment purported by the North Vietnamese, and parroted by Jane Fonda, as "humane and lenient." Because of this, I spent three dayson a rocky floor on my knees with outstretched arms with a piece of steel placed on my hands, and beaten with a bamboo cane every time my arms dipped. I had the opportunity to meet with Jane Fonda for a couple of hours after I was released. I asked her if she would be willing to debate me on TV. She did not answer me, her husband, Tom Hayden, answered for her. She was mind controlled by her husband. This does not exemplify someone who should be honored as "100 Years of Great Women." After I was released, I was asked what I thought of Jane Fonda and the anti-war movement. I said that I held Joan Baez's husband in very high regard, for he thought the war was wrong, burned his draft card and went to prison in protest. If the other anti-war protesters took this same route, it would have brought our judicial system to a halt and ended the war much earlier, and there wouldn't be as many on that somber black granite wall called the Vietnam Memorial. This is democracy. This is the American way. Jane Fonda, on the other hand, chose to be a traitor, and went to Hanoi, wore their uniform, propagandized for the communists, and urged American soldiers to desert. As we were being tortured, and some of the POWs murdered, she called us liars. After her heros-the North Vietnamese communists-took over South Vietnam, they systematically murdered 80,000 South Vietnamese political prisoners. May their souls rest on her head forever. Shame! Shame! ( History is a heavy sword in the hands of those who refuse to forget it. Think of this the next time you see Ms. Fonda-Turner at a Braves game). Please take the time to read and forward to as many people as you possibly can. It will eventually end up on her computer and she needs to know that "we will never forget". Lest we forget... "100 years of great women" Jane Fonda should never be considered.

I'm looking for information on Groved Cleveland Wilson born 1878 in Mo., Workked in the Orange Co., area. His parents was J.k. Wilson and Elizabeth Jane Gibbs. Harold Gosnell

Ladies and gentlemen: I posted not long ago, a list of web site suggestions for the "newbies." Here is my suggestion: All of us on-line, generate searches........let's share web sites with each other.....you may have one that we don't know about, however insignificant you may deem it...............IT WOULD BE A "NEW" AVENUE of research for all of us - we may benefit from it today. Are you willing to share? Gwen Leonard

I have sent for records a few times, and usually get the info in from 3-6 weeks. I have always used the letter that I have found when accessing the SSDI. That is proof of death, and that is all I have needed, as that has the SS#, etc. I guess that if you don't have that, it might be harder to get. Betty Martin

If you are sending a request for the Social Security record of a relative, you will need to supply the following information: FULL NAME DATE OF BIRTH DATE OF DEATH S.S. # AND........ PROOF OF DEATH......EITHER A COPY OF THE OBITUARY OR VERIFICATION FROM THE FUNERAL HOME I request both grandfather's and they kicked it back to me for "proof" of their deaths. Cost: $7.00 (don't expect it returned in 20 days........more like 3-6 months.) ADDRESS: Social Security Administration Office of Disclosure Policy 3-A-6 Security Blvd. Baltimore, MD 21235 I have included this link for the S.S. Administration - check under "Fee Schedule for Frequently Requested Records." Also info in case you do not have the S.S. #., fees, etc. <A HREF="http://www.ssa.gov/foia/foia_guide.htm">Freedom of Information Guide</A> - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- FOR RAILROAD RETIREMENT RECORDS: U.S. RAILROAD RETIREMENT BOARD 844 N. Rush St. Chicago, IL 60611-2092 Hope this helps! Gwen L.

Thought I would share these 2 great tips ....quoting from Ancestry.com.......always learning new avenues of research. 1) "When I find a potential ancestor in the Social Security Death Index, I will send a letter to the public library in the county in which the ancestor died and request a copy of the obituary. If the obituary is the ancestor I am looking for, then I will request a copy of their Social Security Application. If it is not them, then I have saved myself that $7.00 charge." 2) "We knew the S.S.# of my husband's grandmother, but were unable to find one on her husband who died in 1941. Then I ran across a hospital insurance form listing her Medicare number with "B" after it. This indicates the wife is covered by her spouse's account, so we took a chance, requested his SS-5 with that number and finally were able to learn his mother's maiden name. We received it in the same amount of time it took others we have requested (and saved some money).

For your information: <A HREF="http://lcweb.loc.gov/global/legislative/congress.html">The U.S. Legislative Branch</A> Gwen Leonard

Thought some of you might have an interest in this: <A HREF="http://www.obituarycoding.com/">Obituary Coding</A> Gwen Leonard

Alcee John Beckman (b. 1881) -- Grand Chenier, LA, married to Elvania Aucoin (m. abt. 1902). Lived in Orange County, TX in early 1900s. Gave birth to Horace Beckman (b. 11-8-1903), and an unknown daughter. Looking for information on this paricular branch.

All of us "genealogist" have at one time, had help in our researching from family, friends, libraries, etc. when we first began our quest. My suggestion is to post on-line avenues of research for the "newbies" of this century. "Newbies" this information is not specifically "real facts" but in some cases it can be......YOU HAVE TO RESEARCH and make sure.......DOCUMENT YOUR SOURCES! (All of us can benefit from these sources - we might learn some new ones.) Here are some genealogy search web sites that will keep you busy for a while: If for any reason they will not come up on "www." then try "http:/" MAIN SEARCH ENGINES: ALTA VISTA; LYCOS; WEBCRAWLER; EXCITE; YAHOO; MAGELLAN; INFO SEEK; NORTHERN LIGHT; METACRAWLER; ALL ARE - .com - type in genealogy Here are some excellent web sites: BARREL OF GENEALOGY LINKS.... http://cpcug.org/user/lacombe/mark.html CYNDI'S LIST......www.cyndislist.com ROOTSWEB....www.rootsweb.com - information for specific states, counties, surnames US GEN WEB....www.usgenweb.com.- select the state / county you wish to research and then go into their "ARCHIVES"...there you might find: cemeteries, land records, birth & death records, etc. GEN FORUM.....www.genforum.com - type in surname HANDBOOK OF TEXAS.....www.tsha.utexas.edu LDS (Latter Day Saints-Utah) .....www.familysearch.org FAMILY TREE MAKER....www.familytreemaker.com GENDEX....www.gendex.com - surnames WORLD GEN WEB...www.worldgenweb.com - for overseas NORTH AMERICA FUNERAL HOMES..... www.funeral.com/cemetery/states SWITCHBOARD.......www.switchboard.com - telephone book - white & yellow pages by state - or just enter the surname - it will bring up all of those that have a listed phone number WHO WHERE....www.whowhere.com MAPS OF TEXAS...www.livgenmi.com/yr AMAZING ANCESTRAL HOME PAGE... www.polaris.net/~legend/collect.htm ON-LINE CENSUS MATERIAL..... www.census-online.com/links.htm Have fun! Gwen Leonard

Hello Folks! Please accept my apology for not giving the SWLGS address for the "KINFOLKS" magazine.. Have had several requests.......here it is: SOUTHWEST LOUISIANA GENEALOGICAL SOCIETY, INC. P O Box 5652 Lake Charles, LA 70606-5652 Membership per calendar year (begins in January each yr.) is: $12 for individuals Inquiries are free to members! "Kinfolks" is published quarterly........should be received by the middle of March, May, September and December. Gwen Leonard

This is a note to those who do not subscribe to the SOUTHWEST LOUISIANA GENEALOGICAL SOCIETY'S magazine, "KINFOLK." (Your local genealogy library might/should have back copies. "Kinfolks and Yellowed Pages" have a lot to do with our East Texas heritage and loaded with information........ In the "Kinfolks" magazine Volume 23 No. 2 there is a lot of information on "Transportation and Travel" (pg. 84) that takes in Natchez Trace, Texas Road, Nolan Road, Old Spanish Trail routes. Such interesting reading. . . . "Major Overland Traveling", . . . . "Historical Events Affecting Westward Migration" (pg. 82-83) from 1620 - 1865. Also, if interested SWLGS is now on line.......PAID MEMBERS: YOU CAN SUBMIT YOUR INQUIRIES VIA EMAIL TO: PAT HUFFAKER.............. phuffaker@usunwired.net JAN CRAVENS................. jcraven@usunwired.net Hope this is helpful to you! Gwen Leonard

--part1_d6fef27c.2506dab6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thought ya'll would be interested in this tid-bit:........Gwen << ====================================================== On September 3, 1752, the Gregorian calendar (New Style or N.S) replaced the Julian calendar (Old Style or O.S.) in England and its American colonies, by an act of Parliament. (September 3 became September 14.) The calendar change can pose problems for genealogists who don't take it into account. The following excerpt from "Pitfalls in Genealogical Research," by Milton Rubincam, FASG, may shed some light on this problem. _____________________________ "In 46-45 B.C. Gaius Julius Caesar, Pontifex Maximus and Dictator, with the assistance of Sosiegenes, astronomer and mathematician from Alexandria, Egypt, reformed the Roman republican calendar. It was computed that the solar year - - the time it takes for the Earth to revolve around the sun - - was 365 days, six hours. Three years, each consisting of 365 days, were to be followed by a fourth (or leap) year of 366 days. But this was slightly over eleven minutes too much, or about one day in 128 years." "In the year 325 Emperor Constantine I (The Great) presided over an ecumenical council at Nicaea . . . [and] the Julian calendar was adopted." "During the Middle Ages, astronomers and mathematicians were aware of the discrepancies in the Julian calendar. Several efforts were made to reform it but nothing came of them. By the sixteenth century, calendar dates were ahead of actual time by ten days, and the vernal equinox had shifted to 11 March." "When Ugo Buoncompagni ascended the papal throne on 13 May 1572 as Gregory XIII, he took up the question of reforming the calendar, and succeeded where his predecessors had failed. Acting on the advice of Aloysius Lilius, Neapolitan physician and mathematician, and Bavarian Jesuit and mathematician Christopher Clavius, he issued a decree in March 1582, promulgating the new calendar called in his honor Gregorian. He directed that the day after the Feast of St. Francis of Assisi, October should be reckoned as 15 October 1582. Consequently the next vernal equinox fell properly on 21 March instead of on the eleventh of the month. Pope Gregory ordered that no century year should be considered a leap year unless it was exactly divisible by 400. Thus 1700, 1800, and 1900 would be common years, but 1600 and 2000 would be leap years." "The Catholic countries of Europe adopted the Gregorian calendar as soon as possible after copies of the decree had reached them. The Protestant countries were slow to follow suit, not being willing to obey the Pope's orders. The Protestant states of the Holy Roman Empire, by order of the Diet (Parliament) at Regensburg, dropped eleven days from the 19th to the 29th of February 1700, so that 18 February immediately became 1 March. . ." " Scotland, while still a separate kingdom before its union with England under James VI and I, converted to 1600 by order of the Privy Council. England and her colonies finally fell in line when Parliament passed an act in 1751 ordering that the Gregorian calendar be adopted for all legal and public business. By that time, the difference between the Julian and Gregorian calendars amounted to 11 days and it was therefore further enacted that the day that the day following 2 September 1752 should be called 14 September. The people did not understand the reason for this; they thought they were being deprived of eleven days of their lives and rioted, screaming, "Give us back our eleven days!" ____________________________________ Below are some helpful calendar Web sites: Gregorian Conversion http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/khagen/GregConv.html (This site has a table at the bottom listing the dates that various countries converted.) Gregorian Calendar http://es.rice.edu/ES/humsoc/Galileo/Things/gregorian_calendar.html Genesis of the Gregorian Calendar http://www.sdsu.edu/doc/texi/gcal_5.html Calendar database http://www.earth.com/calendar ("Use the Search Keyword to specify year or month/year. Try 9/1752 to see the Gregorian Reformation.") Calendar: A History http://www.infomagic.com/~ernie/calendar.htm Calendar Zone http://www.calendarzone.com/ Hermetic Systems: Calendar Studies http://www.magnet.ch/serendipity/hermetic/cal_stud.htm Roman Numerals http://www.damtp.cam.ac.uk/user/bp10004/cgi_roman.html >> --part1_d6fef27c.2506dab6_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <Ancestry_Daily_News@anclist001.ancestry.com> Received: from rly-yg01.mx.aol.com (rly-yg01.mail.aol.com [172.18.147.1]) by air-yg01.mail.aol.com (v60.28) with ESMTP; Tue, 07 Sep 1999 08:21:17 -0400 Received: from ancexch001.ancestry.com ([192.216.182.125]) by rly-yg01.mx.aol.com (v60.28) with ESMTP; Tue, 07 Sep 1999 08:20:59 -0400 Received: from anclist001.ancestry.com (10.16.1.52 [10.16.1.52]) by ancexch001.ancestry.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id SHLXJNBQ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 03:43:22 -0700 From: Ancestry Daily News <Ancestry_Daily_News@anclist001.ancestry.com> To: Ancestry Daily News Subscriber <CUALLTO@aol.com> Subject: Ancestry Daily News, 07 September 1999 Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 03:46:24 -0700 Message-ID: <19990907034624.IFKDAPQV.GKEJSOE.4201@anclist001.ancestry.com> Errors-To: Ancestry_Daily_News@anclist001.ancestry.com Originator: Ancestry_Daily_News@anclist001.ancestry.com X-Mailer: UnityMail X-Mailer-Version: 2.1 X-UnityUser: Ancestry, Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ancestry Daily News Brought to you by the publisher of "The Source" and "Ancestry" Magazine http://www.ancestry.com 07 September 1999 In this issue: - Database of the Day ----- Daughters of the American Revolution Lineage Books (142 Vols.)(Update) ----- Tippecanoe County, Indiana Farmer's Directory, 1919 ----- Midwest Pioneers: Fifty Years on the Firing Line ----- Roanoke Times/World News (VA), Obituaries, 1998-1999 (Update) - Today's Featured Map: ----- Indiana and Illinois Territories, 1800-1818 - "Problem Solving 101" by Juliana Smith - Calendars - In the News Online - Thought for Today - Product of the Day at the Online Store ----- ----- ************************************************************* ======================================================= DATABASE OF THE DAY (Free for 10 Days!) <<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>> ======================================================= Daughters of the American Revolution Lineage Books (142 Vols.) 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Additionally, it provides the farm location, farm size, and how long the family had lived in the county. Researchers will find the names of over 10,000 residents. For those Ancestry.com patrons searching for central Indiana ancestors, this can be a great aid in their research. Bibliography: Dennis, Carolyn, ed. "Tippecanoe County, Indiana Farmer's Directory." [Database online] Orem, UT: Ancestry, Inc., 1999. Taken from: "Prairie Farmer's Directory." Tippecanoe, IN, 1919. To search this database, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/ancestry/search/3967.htm <<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>> Midwest Pioneers: Fifty Years on the Firing Line Famous for his "St. Paul Daily News" column titled "The Cornfield Philosopher," James Witham lived in Ohio, Nebraska, and Iowa before settling in Minnesota. This narrative is an account of his life growing up as a farmer, working for local newspapers, and his involvement in politics. 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It seems that the puppet show window that I had set up for her had fallen down and she couldn't get it back to the way it was. I told her that she wouldn't solve her problem by stomping her feet and pouting. She needed to stand back and look at what was wrong with it and then think of a way to fix it. As I went back to my work, I pondered this particular piece of advice and decided that we could all learn a bit from this. When I am frustrated by a research problem, I am often driven to my own brand of "hissy fit" like banging my head on a wall--but this can cause headaches. Sneering and growling are also kind of fun but other than entertaining my daughter, it is not much help. Sometimes I'll put that branch of the family aside for a bit. While there is something to be said for putting it aside and coming back to it later, it will not solve the problem. The first thing to do, as my daughter now knows, is to take a step back and look at what is wrong. First you need to determine what information you are missing. Gather all the information you have on this person and their immediate family. Create a list of what records you have collected (there is a "Source Summary" form available for download at: http://www.ancestry.com/download/forms.htm). Using the information you have gathered, put together a timeline for that ancestor, including every scrap of information you can find, no matter how insignificant it may seem. You will also wa

--part1_efda29eb.24f19962_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit FOUND THIS "CLARIFICATION" ON MY EMAILS TODAY: << I received about a dozen e-mails this morning all asking the same question so I know that I was not clear in my post yesterday. If you forwarded my message about the WWI draft cards being at the GA NARA branch will you please also forward this message? The original draft card applications (registrations) for every state (the entire US) are at East Pointe. According to the Archive Staff there are no plans to split these cards and move any of them to any other NARA location since East Pointe has been charged with the "custody" of these records. It is only the original cards that are in state / county / alpha order. Someone posted a message to one of the lists that NARA was planning on re-filming the cards since they are now in state / county / alpha order. If such a thing is underway it is unknown to the East Pointe archive staff and they should know if such a thing was in the works. If you request a copy of your ancestor's draft card from any NARA branch other than this one they will be searching the LDS microfilm and you will have to know the state and draft board for them to make a copy. It is only at the East Pointe location that you can request a copy by state and then county and the copy will be made from the ORIGINAL card. If I'm still unclear please let me know. Linda Home Page: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas/ Marion Co AR: http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion/ Washington Co NC, Haas & Hass e-mail list manager >> --part1_efda29eb.24f19962_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <LEONARD-L-request@rootsweb.com> Received: from rly-yb02.mx.aol.com (rly-yb02.mail.aol.com [172.18.146.2]) by air-yb05.mail.aol.com (v60.28) with ESMTP; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:14:44 -0400 Received: from bl-14.rootsweb.com (bl-14.rootsweb.com [204.212.38.30]) by rly-yb02.mx.aol.com (v60.25) with ESMTP; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:14:15 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by bl-14.rootsweb.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA18639; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 08:11:51 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 08:11:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37BC1E60.BC243A7F@bellsouth.net> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 10:10:27 -0500 From: "J. E. Leonard" <lenardo@bellsouth.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-bls40 (Win95; U) Old-To: Agee <Agee-L@rootsweb.com>, Black Family <Black-L@rootsweb.com>, Bruce <Bruce-L@rootsweb.com>, Burton <Burton-L@rootsweb.com>, Carter <Carter-L@rootsweb.com>, Chesney <Chesney-L@rootsweb.com>, Early <Early-L@rootsweb.com>, Gunn <Gunn-L@rootsweb.com>, Hall <Hall-L@rootsweb.com>, Hunt Family <Hunt-L@rootsweb.com>, Leonard <Leonard-L@rootsweb.com>, McClendon <McLendon-McClendon-L@rootsweb.com>, Price <Price-L@rootsweb.com>, Skipper <Skipper-L@rootsweb.com> Old-Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------9B27166C7FDA3DEE84D1B6A7" Subject: [LEONARD-L] [Fwd: [WHITE] WWI Draft Cards - clarification] Resent-Message-ID: <P5O8PB.A.ZiE.z6Bv3@bl-14.rootsweb.com> To: LEONARD-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: LEONARD-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <LEONARD-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/870 X-Loop: LEONARD-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: LEONARD-L-request@rootsweb.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------9B27166C7FDA3DEE84D1B6A7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------9B27166C7FDA3DEE84D1B6A7 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail3.bellsouth.net (mail3.bellsouth.net [205.152.32.6]) by mail0.bna.bellsouth.net (3.3.2/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA17813 for <lenardo@mem.bellsouth.net>; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 07:50:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bl-11.rootsweb.com (bl-11.rootsweb.com [204.212.38.27]) by mail3.bellsouth.net (3.3.2/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA14048; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 07:47:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by bl-11.rootsweb.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA05476; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 04:44:56 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 04:44:56 -0700 (PDT) From: "Linda Haas Davenport" <lhaasdav@mindspring.com> Old-To: "White List" <WHITE-L@rootsweb.com>, "USGenWeb SW List" <USGENWEB-SW-L@rootsweb.com>, "USGenWeb Discuss List" <USGENWEB-DISCUSS-L@rootsweb.com>, "USGenWeb CC L List" <USGW-CC-L@usgennet.org>, "USGenWeb All List" <USGENWEB-ALL-L@rootsweb.com>, "Tulsa List" <OKTULSA-L@rootsweb.com>, "OkRoots List" <OKROOTS-L@rootsweb.com>, "OKGen List" <OKGEN-L@rootsweb.com>, "NC Wash List" <NCWASHIN-L@rootsweb.com>, "NC List" <NCROOTS-L@rootsweb.com>, "Marion Co AR List" <ARMARION-L@rootsweb.com>, "List Owners" <listowners-L@rootsweb.com>, "Hass List" <HASS-L@rootsweb.com>, "Haas List" <HAAS-L@rootsweb.com>, "GenMed List" <GENMTD-L@rootsweb.com>, "Davenport List" <DAVENPORT-L@rootsweb.com>, "CCHelper" <CCHelper-L@rootsweb.com>, "ARK List" <ARKANSAS-ROOTS-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 06:10:47 -0400 Message-ID: <01beea2b$1b938aa0$cb6656d1@lhaasdavmindspring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Subject: [WHITE] WWI Draft Cards - clarification Resent-Message-ID: <iaDnGB.A.OUB.04-u3@bl-11.rootsweb.com> To: WHITE-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: WHITE-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: WHITE-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <WHITE-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/2941 X-Loop: WHITE-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: WHITE-L-request@rootsweb.com I received about a dozen e-mails this morning all asking the same question so I know that I was not clear in my post yesterday. If you forwarded my message about the WWI draft cards being at the GA NARA branch will you please also forward this message? The original draft card applications (registrations) for every state (the entire US) are at East Pointe. According to the Archive Staff there are no plans to split these cards and move any of them to any other NARA location since East Pointe has been charged with the "custody" of these records. It is only the original cards that are in state / county / alpha order. Someone posted a message to one of the lists that NARA was planning on re-filming the cards since they are now in state / county / alpha order. If such a thing is underway it is unknown to the East Pointe archive staff and they should know if such a thing was in the works. If you request a copy of your ancestor's draft card from any NARA branch other than this one they will be searching the LDS microfilm and you will have to know the state and draft board for them to make a copy. It is only at the East Pointe location that you can request a copy by state and then county and the copy will be made from the ORIGINAL card. If I'm still unclear please let me know. Linda Home Page: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas/ Marion Co AR: http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion/ Washington Co NC, Haas & Hass e-mail list manager ==== WHITE Mailing List ==== %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% ..........................WHITE MAILING LIST........................... TO UNSUBSCRIBE: WHITE-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM AND THEN PUT ONLY THE WORD UNSUBSCRIBE IN THE BODY. YOUR REQUEST IS THEN PROCESSED AUTOMATICALLY SO PLEASE BE SURE THAT THIS IS THE ONLY THING THAT APPEARS IN THE BODY. EVEN A SIGNATURE FILE IS GOING TO CAUSE THE MESSAGE TO FAIL. THANK YOU! %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% --------------9B27166C7FDA3DEE84D1B6A7-- ==== LEONARD Mailing List ==== Found a good resource lately? 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--part1_7134f96d.24f01d9f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thought all of you would be interested in this...........Gwen << Good Morning everyone: I played hooky from work yesterday and spent the day at the NARA Branch in Atlanta and it jogged my memory to pass on some information to everyone. Prior to the US's entry into WW1 (approx. 1917-1918) every male between the age of 18 and 40 was required to register for the draft. The information found on the card was provided by the individual himself. The registration cards vary in information depending on the individual draft board. But by and large the cards include: The full name of the person (this means first, full middle name, any additional middle names and last name); the current address of the man; his age; his birthdate (some include his place of birth); whether he is a US citizen or a naturalized citizen (some ask if his father was a naturalized citizen and his father's race); his race; his occupation; where he is employed (name of employer); address or location of employment; name and address of his next of kin; some cards ask if the man is married or single and how many people he supports. The card is signed by the draftee. On the back of the card his physical description is noted: Height is broken down by short, medium, tall although some cards give the actual height in feet and inches; Build by slim, medium, stout although some cards list actual weight along with the build; color of eyes and hair; any deformities or injuries are listed (such as one arm missing, blind in one eye, etc); the name and address of the draft board and the date. When these original cards were transferred to the East Pointe NARA branch the LDS spent about 3 years microfilming these cards. There are hundreds and hundreds of boxes and the LDS opened one box at a time and filmed them - in state order. However, within each state the cards were filed by draft board, not by county or by draftee. This makes the searching of the microfilm difficult to say the least. The good news is that the Friends of the National Archives took each box after it was filmed (and checked) and sorted all of these thousands and thousands of cards into - state and then COUNTY order and then in alphabetical order by surname and put then in new boxes. The Friends deserve all the kudos we can give them for this monstrous task. So ... rather than spending hours and hours searching the LDS microfilm you can order copies of the original cards from NARA. if you know the county your ancestor lived in between 1917-1918. And BTW - Ancestry.com lists WW1 Draft cards in their searchable data bases, however I know for a fact that there are 22 cards for the surname WHITE found in McIntosh Co, OK and Ancestry only gave me 4 of them so don't depend on that site. I was told yesterday that some reps from Ancestry had visited the archives a couple of weeks ago to talk about filming the cards, took one look at the hundreds and hundreds of boxes and simply left. For copies: Send a letter requesting copy(s) to: NARA Southeast Region 1557 St. Joseph Ave East Point, GA 30344 In your letter be sure to say you want copy(s) of the WWI Draft application Cards. Include the name of your ancestor and his race, the state and the county. If you want copies of ALL of the cards with a given surname, ask them the cost of the copies and send a SASE for them to let you know the copying cost. In your letter be sure and say you want a copy of the FRONT and BACK of the card. Be sure to send a SASE for the return of you copies. The cost for the copy is 50 cents - 25 cents for the back and 25 cents for the front. If you only want one copy send a buck and say the difference is to be given to the Friends of the Archives, because after all they did all this wonderful hard work for you <VBG> If you have any other questions about the cards please write to me and I'll try to help. I've been "delving" into these cards for the past few years. But PLEASE don't ask me to get the copies for you. It is difficult for me to take the time off from work to visit the archive to do my own research <g>. And feel free to pass this on to any of the lists you are on. >> --part1_7134f96d.24f01d9f_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <EAST-TEXAS-ROOTS-L-request@rootsweb.com> Received: from rly-yh01.mx.aol.com (rly-yh01.mail.aol.com [172.18.147.33]) by air-yh01.mail.aol.com (v60.28) with ESMTP; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 18:47:54 -0400 Received: from bl-14.rootsweb.com (bl-14.rootsweb.com [204.212.38.30]) by rly-yh01.mx.aol.com (v60.25) with ESMTP; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 18:47:39 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by bl-14.rootsweb.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15225; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 15:45:25 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 15:45:25 -0700 (PDT) From: CWBrazell@aol.com Message-ID: <b167923b.24ede2a0@aol.com> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 18:43:44 EDT Subject: WWI Draft Cards Old-To: EAST-TEXAS-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 Resent-Message-ID: <fo7ihC.A.ttD.FkIv3@bl-14.rootsweb.com> To: EAST-TEXAS-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: EAST-TEXAS-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <EAST-TEXAS-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/4654 X-Loop: EAST-TEXAS-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: EAST-TEXAS-ROOTS-L-request@rootsweb.com Good Morning everyone: I played hooky from work yesterday and spent the day at the NARA Branch in Atlanta and it jogged my memory to pass on some information to everyone. Prior to the US's entry into WW1 (approx. 1917-1918) every male between the age of 18 and 40 was required to register for the draft. The information found on the card was provided by the individual himself. The registration cards vary in information depending on the individual draft board. But by and large the cards include: The full name of the person (this means first, full middle name, any additional middle names and last name); the current address of the man; his age; his birthdate (some include his place of birth); whether he is a US citizen or a naturalized citizen (some ask if his father was a naturalized citizen and his father's race); his race; his occupation; where he is employed (name of employer); address or location of employment; name and address of his next of kin; some cards ask if the man is married or single and how many people he supports. The card is signed by the draftee. On the back of the card his physical description is noted: Height is broken down by short, medium, tall although some cards give the actual height in feet and inches; Build by slim, medium, stout although some cards list actual weight along with the build; color of eyes and hair; any deformities or injuries are listed (such as one arm missing, blind in one eye, etc); the name and address of the draft board and the date. When these original cards were transferred to the East Pointe NARA branch the LDS spent about 3 years microfilming these cards. There are hundreds and hundreds of boxes and the LDS opened one box at a time and filmed them - in state order. However, within each state the cards were filed by draft board, not by county or by draftee. This makes the searching of the microfilm difficult to say the least. The good news is that the Friends of the National Archives took each box after it was filmed (and checked) and sorted all of these thousands and thousands of cards into - state and then COUNTY order and then in alphabetical order by surname and put then in new boxes. The Friends deserve all the kudos we can give them for this monstrous task. So ... rather than spending hours and hours searching the LDS microfilm you can order copies of the original cards from NARA. if you know the county your ancestor lived in between 1917-1918. And BTW - Ancestry.com lists WW1 Draft cards in their searchable data bases, however I know for a fact that there are 22 cards for the surname WHITE found in McIntosh Co, OK and Ancestry only gave me 4 of them so don't depend on that site. I was told yesterday that some reps from Ancestry had visited the archives a couple of weeks ago to talk about filming the cards, took one look at the hundreds and hundreds of boxes and simply left. For copies: Send a letter requesting copy(s) to: NARA Southeast Region 1557 St. Joseph Ave East Point, GA 30344 In your letter be sure to say you want copy(s) of the WWI Draft application Cards. Include the name of your ancestor and his race, the state and the county. If you want copies of ALL of the cards with a given surname, ask them the cost of the copies and send a SASE for them to let you know the copying cost. In your letter be sure and say you want a copy of the FRONT and BACK of the card. Be sure to send a SASE for the return of you copies. The cost for the copy is 50 cents - 25 cents for the back and 25 cents for the front. If you only want one copy send a buck and say the difference is to be given to the Friends of the Archives, because after all they did all this wonderful hard work for you <VBG> If you have any other questions about the cards please write to me and I'll try to help. I've been "delving" into these cards for the past few years. But PLEASE don't ask me to get the copies for you. It is difficult for me to take the time off from work to visit the archive to do my own research <g>. And feel free to pass this on to any of the lists you are on. Linda Home Page: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas/ Marion Co AR: http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion/ Washington Co NC, Haas & Hass e-mail list manager --part1_7134f96d.24f01d9f_boundary--

Hi Folks, By permission of Rootsweb, so that the servers may be tested under a load...... a great new Rootsweb service is available at... http://ssdi.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/ssdi.cgi It's the Social Security Death Index available for free. Be SURE and check out the "Advanced Search"..... you can search on every combination of fields. This new dataset will probably be announced in this weeks RootsWeb Review. ENJOY, RootsLady (aka) Barbara Yancey Dore RootsLady@lest-we-forget.com - RootsLady@email.msn.com HomePage: RootsLady's Home, Home On The Web - http://RootsLady.com The OUTHOUSE - Genealogy Humor http://www.lest-we-forget.com/The_Outhouse CC for 8 TX Counties & 1 GA County "In loving memory of all my ancestors and for the benefit of all their descendants."

FYI: Monthly Meeting Notice for the SouthEast Texas Genealogical & Historical Society I you happen to belong to more than one SE TX mail list.... you will receive duplicates of this message. RootsLady (aka) Barbara Yancey Dore RootsLady@lest-we-forget.com - RootsLady@email.msn.com HomePage: RootsLady's Home, Home On The Web - http://RootsLady.com The OUTHOUSE - Genealogy Humor http://www.lest-we-forget.com/The_Outhouse CC for 8 TX Counties & 1 GA County "In loving memory of all my ancestors and for the benefit of all their descendants." ----- Original Message ----- From: Charlie Beaugh <chasbow@ih2000.net> To: Charles J. Beaugh, Sr. <chasbow@ih2000.net> Sent: Monday, August 02, 1999 9:17 AM Subject: August Meeting Notice > SOUTHEAST TEXAS GENEALOGICAL & HISTORICAL SOCIETY > > MEETING NOTICE > > 7:00 pm > TUESDAY, AUGUST 3, 1999 > AIR NATIONAL HEADQUARTERS BUILDING > SOUTHEAST TEXAS REGIONAL AIRPORT (FORMALLY JEFFERSON COUNTY AIRPORT) > > Mr. Dave Montgomery, Director of Tyrrell Historical Library will conduct a > slide presentation on the history of "Old Downtown Beaumont" > > Should be a very interesting evening...come early and bring a friend. > > If you desire not to receive this meeting notice each month, please contact > Charlie Beaugh at chasbow@ih2000.net > > >

Would like any information on Joseph Eugene Burkett, last known where abouts Orange, Tex. 1948. Thanks, Jo

I checked this out as it was sent to me by a person on another mail list: Looks very promising for genealogy - maybe something new for all of us.. <A HREF="http://home.snap.com/main/channel/item/0,4,-8889,00.html?st.sn.fdts.0.cp -8889">Snap:Living:Genealogy:Your Family Tree </A> If you will put your cursor on the link, it will show the web site address. Gwen

I apologize if you receive a duplication on several lists. RootsLady (aka) Barbara Yancey Dore RootsLady@lest-we-forget.com - RootsLady@email.msn.com HomePage: RootsLady's Home, Home On The Web - http://RootsLady.com The OUTHOUSE - Genealogy Humor http://www.lest-we-forget.com/The_Outhouse CC for 8 TX Counties & 1 GA County "In loving memory of all my ancestors and for the benefit of all their descendants." ----- Original Message ----- From: Charlie Beaugh <chasbow@ih2000.net> To: List SET Mail <chasbow@ih2000.net> Sent: Monday, July 05, 1999 6:29 PM Subject: Monthly Meeting > SOUTHEAST TEXAS GENEALOGICAL & HISTORICAL SOCIETY > > MONTHLY MEETING NOTICE > > Tuesday, July 6, 1999 > Air National Headquarters Bldg. > Southeast Texas Regional Airport > (Formally Jefferson County Airport) > 7:00 PM > The Air Guard Building is the first building on the right just > after entering the airport. > > Speaker: Mr. Fred Allen > Topic: Finding your ancestors through land deeds, grants, etc. > > Come early, and bring a friend. > > >