In a message dated 8/3/02 2:43:29 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Hujazz601 writes: > , a Dave Cave has an entry that shows a Lucy Cave married to Ashley Dodd, > with son Mason Dodd. reply: lucy ann (louisa) cave did marry ashley haywood dodd . She had a son, james M. > Dodd (m- name-not known but suspected to be possibly "Malcom OR Madison"?) > and a son, louis taylor dodd (my g grandpa). she had a son henderson dodd > born 1851 and we suspect this young man died after the 1860 census as he is > never heard from again. There is a legend tht the younger brother of > louis taylor dodd was killed by the kick of a horse to his chest when the > young boys were trying to gentle it to ride...and the only other brother > to lewis dodd was dead in the war in 1862.(so, henderson is the only one > that is left to be killed by a horse). Lucy h ad synthia (cynthia) > elizabeth dodd who married theodore grabener, malissa (louisa-called lucy) > dodd who married james N. patterson, and amelia louisa Ann dodd who married > D. A. Bowen of cameron and died in childbed with her first child--leaving a > girl baby-mary louise bowen to grow up and marry the oldest son of > elizabeth and theo grabener , her first cousin, charles madison grabener > and she also died in childbed--with the delivery of her first child a boy > who lived two weeks shy of his second birthday. Mary Bowen Grabener and her > son are buried in the old section of the Hurt/Graham cemetery in sand grove > in the CAVE family plot section-and marked. Also lies there Henry Cave the > uncle of mary bowen grabener and possibly unknown and unlisted his sister > Lucy(louisa) Cave Rabon DODD Autry, buried as Lucy Autry according to > family written notes in the 1960's. Possible also burial is Amelia Louise > DODD Bowen, mother of mary bowen grabener and daughter of lucy dodd and > ashley dodd. also, unlisted and unmarked.Also, a niece of Henry Cave. > > Lucy ann (louisa) cave rabon dodd autry, born in SC , was indentured out or > put into guardianship we believe in alabama, married in alabama, bore her > children moving three counties in three decades and then moving to texas. > bringing three sons and three daughters. She watched her husbnd die, a son > die in the war, a son in law die in the war. A grand son stolen, a daughter > die in childbirth, a grand daughter die in childbirth, a third husband die > before 1880 and thats not mentioning all the problems that happened with > the grabeners, clendennins, dodds and the big families there around milam. > In 1860 , san augustine co. tx, she was a widow with 5 children to raise > and a daughter newly married, birthing babies. Ashley is buried somewhere > in san augustine county, unknown and unmarked.(presumed). Henry Cave is > just setting up in Milam co. and the nation is at war. I don't know where > the rest of the cave family was? Loucendia cave reid was in clark > co.alabama. > > What did this woman have that almost all the children were named some form > of her name--for generations-starting with her mother loucendia. Even her > mother in law was named loucendia dodd!??? The marriage of lucy (louisa) Ann Cave to Anthony Rabon was in Clark Co. > Alabama on june 18 , 1828, her age at marriage would have been 12 or 13- if > we go by the age at the census in 1850 of 34.The marriage of Loucinda CAVE > to john reid was also on june 18 , 1828 in clark co. ala. IF lucy ann > cave rab0n had any children between 1828 and 1836? we don't know about > them. > > Ashley Dodd m. Lucy RABON 1 Sep 1836 in Clarke Co., AL > Lucy Ann (CAVE) Rabon/ Dodd would have been 20 years old at the marriage of > ashley haywood dodd, he was 21. Their first child was a girl, synthia > (cynthia) elizabeth DODD born 1837, who grew up to marry Theodore Graebener > (Grabener) in San Augustine co. Tx on November 4, 1858. This age is in > conflict with the CAVE ages--and using all possible documents-we have been > unable to determine which is correct--? the census seem to all be the > same--if the first one in 1850 is TRUE? It does NOT match the age on the > bracket age of--her fathers paper of permission to travel through indian > lands. > lucy and ashley: They were in Washington co. ala. by 1840 census along > with jonathan dodd listed also, and Choctaw co. in 1850 with jonathan dodd > also, and in Texas, San Augustine co. before 1857. > > Note: the United States mortality index is listed on the tenth years--same > years as the census--it lists people who have died before the new census > was counted. Ashley Haywood is listed as dead on march, 1860, san augustine co.TX.,of pleurisy, > his age is given as 54 born South Carolina,( NC?) (this age is wrong--He was > age at death, 45 years old, born in 1815-I believe the date was reversed > when written. Lucy was 44 when widowed. ) Ashley was alive at the marriage > of his oldest child, synthia elizabeth in 1858 (he was of age 43 and she > (cynthia or synthia) was of age:21 at that marriage to Theo.Grabener. (the > name on the marriage is given as GRAEBENER-but has been changed by the > familys to Grabener.( IF the death age of ashley (most probably given by > lucy herself? is to be believed? then all the census data on ashley is > wrong.?). We have wondered if she ever knew when anyone was born? grin. This Lucy is the daughter of John B. Cave, son of Henry Cave, sister to my Lucy > Cave. Is he wrong? I know you have been on the trail of a Lucinda Cave that > married Rabin. This other Lucy would have been younger. Reply: Louisa or LUCY ANN CAVE Rabon/Dodd/ Autry was the child of John B cave and was the sister to henry cave along with a twin by the name of LOUCENDIA CAVE who married john Reid (reed-read) in Clark county on the same day-place and year that lucy m arried anthony rabon. (film # 1290227) 1290233 june 18, 1828. Loucendia Reid is in the clark co. census for 1850 and 1860 People of the Rabon family said that they do not know what happened to Anthony Rabon.? They think that when lucy and her siblings were put out to indenture or guardianship, at the marriage of their mother loucendia brown cave to another husband, that the family that took in lucy ann was the anthony rabon family and upon his death-his older children "put out "the younger wife-and she then married ashley haywood dodd.. (?) I have no proof of this-but the Rabon family said it ties in directly with their legends and stories and the data that they do have. We do know that the children of john cave and loucendia were put out to guardianship (indenture) upon the death of John Cave. The step father not wishing to have to be responsible for them. I believe Henry cave did have a child named lucy cave--as did almost everyone named cave in that entire century! MY lucy ann cave rabon dodd autry is supported with census, marriage certificates and microfilm records. WE do n otk now her where abouts in 1870--but know her oldest married daughter cynthia elizabeth dodd grabener was in burleson co in 1870. We know lucy married in burleson co. in 1872. We know she was in bandera co in 1880 and in milam co. by the birth of some grandchildren by 1885. IT is believed she died before 1900 and her age has always been in dispute with the age given in the john b cave passport--and the early census that just give years of ages between ( brackets)--she evidently lied about her age--many times but usually we can proove it is her by the children she is with or the grands. The differences in opinions that I know about in the cave listings is that there were two girls listed in one bracket group and one in another. The younger child evidently died leaving the two others--which had the same birth year! This caused confusion between some researchers who counted the one child with the birth year and the one child who was evidently dead as still living....not counting the twin. This may be my mis read of the data-and I am open for any documents that show otherwise? When I found - along with considerable- help of others---that lucendia cave and louisa (lucy ann) cave were both married on the same day in the same place and year--one to john reid and one to anthony rabon-it seemed clear- there WERE two women. Also, given the marriage of their MOTHER loucendia caves to other husbands--plural...the mystery of the girls cave-seemed solved to me. Also, living in the homes of loucendia cave reid in the clark census there are people who were of the household of lucy ann cave dodd in 1850 census choctaw co. alabama. We are tracking McDowell and Martin as well as Reid, Read, Reed, people who are related to this Dodd family in choctaw co. alabama. Possibly a maiden family of the mother to ashley haywood dodd and james riley dodd, who is known as lusinda and loucendia dodd wife of johnathan dodd of choctaw co. ala in 1850 and dead by 1860 with loucendia dodd being head of household in 1860.?? Also, there is the marriage of lucy ann cave rabon dodds kids--james m. dodd to marcella patterson and the marriage of Malissa louise (also called lucy) to the brother of marcella patterson, known as james N> Patterson. Also in san augustine on the same day and the same place and the same year and the same jp.> a family tradition of double marriages. In this case of a brother and as sister and a sister and a brother married. The two boys both died in the training camp at camp rondo, ark. of measles and flux. james dodd had no issue but james N. patterson did have a child a son with malissa (lucy) dodd patterson. The child was stolen- and to be fair to the patterson family--it is unknown as to the reason the child was taken and raised by the patterson family and never seen again by the dodd people. I found him in Louisiana(again with help from others even in the patterson families, st landrys parish in 1870 using the name , james m. Patterson, born in texas and age 8. Living in the household of his grandparents. There is a marriage of Loucendia DODD to Peter Hall on May 19, 1831 in washington co. alabama--we do not know who this is? My lucy cave dodd was a twin sister to loucendia cave reid and their father was john b. cave and the mother loucendia . Henry cave was their brother. I do not know yet who the sister in law, sarah cave dodd, wife of james riley dodd married in washington co. alabama on may5, 1846----I do not know what cave family she belonged to.??? it remains a mystery to us. Her husbands name is misread on the internet marriage lists: as james H. Dodd but on the marriage record it is James R. dodd.(brothr to ashley haywood dodd). This may have inaccuracies--as its all from memory today--but basically it is what we have found out-AGAIN with help from many researchers--about this core family of lucy ann caves dodd and ashley haywood dodd. We are completely open for any other data that proves up any of the above information. My thanks to the lists: judy hugg grimes