This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Young Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/FkB.2ACE/1097 Message Board Post: Looking for information on William and Catlett YOUNG who appear on the 1870 census for Kaufman County Texas. Anyone have access to the 1870 census? Thanks, Zahn

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Young Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/FkB.2ACE/777.805.808.1 Message Board Post: I am looking for information on william and Catlett Young who are on the Kaufman 1870 census. Thanks, Zahn Burdick

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Henderson, Taylor Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/FkB.2ACE/1096 Message Board Post: I am looking for the birth record/delayed birth record for Lanie Henderson (female), born in Forney, circa 1880. Unknown first names of parents, but mother's surname was Taylor. Am attempting to document Henderson/Taylor lineage back to Dawes' Rolls for documentation of Cherokee Heritage. This is my husband's grandmother, but I am originally from Kaufman County myself, Martha Jones, daughter of Robbie (Bain) Jones and Weldon Jones. Any help is greatly appreciated! Currently living in New Mexico so direct access is difficult. Many thanks in advance

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/FkB.2ACE/806.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Lavern: I can't reach you by email. David Augusta is my grandfather as well. I don't have any info on him but thanks to you I now have his birthdate and date of death. My father is John Calvin Wacasey b 1934. My mother and sister remember Lola is she still alive? Is she your mother? So much to ask but can't figure out why email won't go through. Sorry and thanks Dianne Keep in touch please!!!!

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/FkB.2ACE/806.1.1.1.2 Message Board Post: The marriage license we found was from Montague Co., TX and at the time we were searching for Elzora Wade who was supposed to be married to a "Bud" Wacassey (Wacasey). If I were you I would search the census for this area in 1900. The marriage license states D. A. Wacasey and N. E. Wade were married March 16, 1896. Let me know if I can be of more help.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/FkB.2ACE/806.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Dianne, I knew I was too excited to post a message at this time. I sent the wrong message to you. Here is the message I meant for you: My Grandfather is also your Grandfather. David August Wacasey b 22 Sep 1869, GA and d 6 Feb 1945, Silsby, TX. My grandmother was his first wife, Emily Wade. I know so little of my grandparents. PLEASE contact me. I have searched for 18 years. I need to know all about him and his families.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/FkB.2ACE/806.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Olivia, I am so excited that I don't know if this will make sense or not. I know this must be my grandfather and grandmother (David August Wacasey and Emily Wade), Please tell me it is. David b 22 Sep 1869, GA; d 6 Feb 1945, Silsby, Hardin Co., TX. Their children were Gertrude Emily, b abt 1896; Lola, b abt 1904; William Hershal, and my mother, Mabel Esther, b 1907; Jewell Odetta, d 6 weeks old from hives. I have looked forever for any knowledge of these people. Please contact immedietly. Thank you. I do not know David's or Emily's parents. I am desperate,

Dear List Members, I thought it to be a very good time to pass the following information along to all of the mailing list that I subscribe to. Many mailing lists at Rootsweb have a 'footer' at the bottom of each message. "All material published on this list is copyrighted 2002 by the author. No reproduction in whole or in part is permitted without the author's written consent." The Kaufman County Mailing List does not contain the 'footer' at the bottom of each message but the copyright law still applies in more instances than one might think. In 'Ancestry Magazine', January/February; 2000 there is a very interesting and informative article: "Staying Legal with Internet Copyrights", by Rhonda R. McClure. For example, if a researcher spends time compiling a family history that details 2, 3, or 4 generations and incorporates family stories, and then puts it on his or her Web site. OR sends it to someone by E-MAIL, the researcher has arranged the facts and compiled them into an original format. The compilation is covered under copyright laws. Few people think to put a copyright notice on their Web pages, but this does not negate their copyright. As of 1989, any published original work is covered under the copyright laws whether it has a copyright statement or not. This is considered part of the standardized copyright laws that came out of the Berne copyright convention. There are many misconceptions about the Internet. For example John Doe says: "It's free because it's on the Internet and is in the Public Domain". John Doe incorrectly equates "free" with "public domain". Public domain covers those works that were once copyrighted but have since expired. Remember that the copyright is intended to protect only for a limited time. Until recently, copyrights protected any work prior to 1928. Once a copyright has expired, the work comes into to public domain. This is how publishers can legally reprint books that were originally published in the 1800s. Freely available via the Internet does not necessarily mean it is in the public domain. Only those works that state plainly that they may be freely used and copied are public domain on the Internet. Contemporary works placed on the Internet, in any form, are covered by the same copyright laws. In fact, because they were published after 1976 they are covered by the most recent revisions of the copyright laws. Finally, if you receive a file, e-mail, etc. from an individual via the Internet, which contains a compilation of family history, it is not your property to use as you see fit. It is covered by copyright laws and is the property of the compiler. You must receive written permission from the author to use this material for your own purpose. I hope this is informative to all of you. Jean (Tarbell) Cotton

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Waggoner, Smith Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/FkB.2ACE/1064.1 Message Board Post: I am looking for any information on Waggoners. My gmother is Margaret J. Waggoner and my step ggmother is Luzora (Lula) Waggoner.

Hi Justin, Would you mind looking up some of my relatives in the Cedar Grove Cemetery Book? I have been searching for the final resting place of an early family pioneer in Kaufman County: Andrew Jackson (A.J.) Price 1818 - >1870 Louisa Kelly Price 1824 to (1875 - 1880) Wife of A.J. Thanking you in advance for your time. Regards, Jeanie Price Edwards _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/FkB.2ACE/1085.1.1 Message Board Post: Hi Justin, I saw your posting about Cedar Grove Cemetery. Could you look up some people for me? Harriett (Sullivan) Gilbert Milton E. Sullivan and wife Margaret (Williams)Sullivan Adeline (Sullivan) Giger or Geiger or maybe her second marriage to E. Boon Eliza (Sullivan) Allen or her husband John Allen I think Wellington Sullivan is there but I don't know about his wife Martha E. (Starnes) Sullivan or by her second marriage to Needham Holland John Welby Sullivan I hope I haven't ask too much...I would be so grateful for any help you could give me.... Thanks so much, Mary Achterhof, Yorba Linda, Calif.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Wacasey, Wacaster Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/FkB.2ACE/806.1.1 Message Board Post: My grandfather is David Augusta Wacasey. He married Bertie McKee, my grandmother. He was from GA. she was from TX. They had two children that I know of my father, Johnie (John) Calvin, and David Augusta, my uncle. Anyone having any information please contact me at [email protected] thanks dianne.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/FkB.2ACE/1095 Message Board Post: Where is your Wm. Newman from? Do you know his middle initial or name? Do you know his parents? I've been looking for a William Michael Newman b. 1833, KY. Lived in MO and then possibly to TX. Thanks.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/FkB.2ACE/1094 Message Board Post: PHOBE JANE NEWMAN DIED 1904 KEMP TX. WIFE OF WILLIA M NEWMAN THANK YOU L.H.NEWMAN

Janet (Baugh) Hunter asks how to interpret the entries in the Land Grants file in the Kaufman Co Texas GenWeb Project Archives file: ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/tx/kaufman/land/kaufman.txt Regarding the order of the entries in this file-- I can't see what the order is either. But I can tell you what the entries mean (there is a key of sorts at the top, but it is wrong about at least one number). Before looking at the entries, it will be useful to summarize Texas land practices. First, since Texas was never a U.S. Territory, it does not use the Township, Range, Section system that other states (like Arkansas) do. It uses a metes and bounds system (like the original 13 etc. do). So there is no way, generally speaking, to determine where a tract is located based on any numerical system. Now, the process for getting land-- a person would obtain a certificate granting him some amount of land (these came in various classes depending on when the person immigrated to Texas). The certificate was a "hunting license"-- it did not specify any land which was given-- it authorized the holder to have unoccupied land surveyed for himself. So after the certificate was granted, the grantee would then identify and have surveyed a tract of ungranted land (which in principle could be anywhere in the state, but later grants required that the person improve the tract so they would likely live on it). This survey would be done by an authorized surveyor and recorded in the appropriate land district office (Kaufman County is/was in the Nacogdoches Land District). Later, the grantee would then have the land patented-- at that point, it was officially his. Now, the holder of the certificate could sell the certificate to another person prior to ever locating the land, or could sell it after surveying but before patenting. If this happened, the patent would be made out to whomever had bought the certificate. So the grantee is the person to whom the certificate was originally granted, and the patentee is the person who actually got the patent. On land abstract maps, such as the one on the Kaufman Co GenWeb site, the surveys are named by the grantee's name *not* the patentee. OK, so let's look at a typical entry in the file in the GenWeb Archives: THOMAS L WILLIAMS T. WILLIAMS 17 577 This says that Thomas L. Williams is the grantee. T. Williams is the patentee (the same person in this case). 17 is the survey number assigned by the surveyor-- usually this meant that it was the 17th survey that he made on this particular trip. 577 is the abstract number-- these numbers are roughly in alphabetical order by grantee's last name. Here is a more complete list of information on the grant: Abst No 577, Grantee Thos. L. Williams, Certificate No. 446 (these numbers were assigned by whichever authority issued it-- could be the district board of land commissioners, land agents authorized by the Republic, county courts, or colonization agents [Mercer's colony for Kaufman co]), Patentee Thomas L. Williams, Date of Patent 15 Apr 1852, recorded as Patent 915, Book 6 (in the General Land Office in Austin), Acres: 338; Class: Nacogdoches 3rd; File 397. The class-- Nacogdoches 3rd-- means that it was in the Nacogdoches Land District (all of Kaufman county is), 3rd class means that it was granted after 1 Oct 1837. The file number is useful-- if you want a copy of the documents regarding the grant, survey, and patent, you would ask at the Land Office in Austin for Nacogdoches, 3rd, File 397. Briefly, I'll round out the other tracts asked about: No 578; Gr. David F. Williams; Cert. 536; Pat. Robert W. Gray on 24 Sep 1851; Pat No 716, Bk 3; 640 ac; Nac 3rd, File 982. No 583; Gr. Thos. L. Williams; Cert. 2248/2249; Pat. Thos. L. Williams on 9 Dec 1852; Pat No 838, Bk 8; 302 ac; Nac 3rd; File 1345. No 573; Gr. Josephus Williams; Cert. 633; Pat. Josephus Williams on 23 Nov 1846; Pat No 197, Bk 4; 320 ac; Nac 3rd, File 187. No 575; Gr. Wm. Williams; Cert 367; Pat. R.W. Gray on 11 Jun 1853; Pat 383, Bk 7; 320 ac; Nac 3rd, File 800. No 582; Gr. John Williams; Cert 445; Pat. John J. Good on 12 Dec 1855; Pat 589, Bk 12; 417.25 ac; Nac 3rd, File 1344. No 219, Gr. Charleton Howard; Cert 524; Pat. Charleton Howard on 8 Oct 1870; Pat 242, Bk 38; 592.60 ac; Nac 3rd, File 896. No 220; Gr. Charleton Howard; Cert 524; Pat. Charleton Howard on 8 Oct 1870; Pat 241, Bk 38; 12.60 ac; Nac 3rd, File 896. No 218; Gr. Wm. C. Howard; Cert 497; Pat. Wm. C. Howard on 15 Apr 1852; Pat 913, Bk 6; 320 ac; Nac 3rd, File 899. No 230; Gr. Silas Howard; Cert 494; Pat. George Barnett on 16 Dec 1857; Pat 1111, Bk 15; 320 ac; Nac 3rd, File 3014. No 224; Gr. Ephraim Howard; Cert 967; Pat. R.W. Gray on 7 Dec 1852; Pat 1220, Bk 6; 320 ac; Nac 3rd, File 1332. No 221; Gr. Andrew H. Henry; Cert 576; Pat. Andrew H. Henry on 30 Apr 1851; Pat 816, Bk 3; 640 ac; Nac 3rd, File 906. Since all of these grants were done around 1850, the amount of the grant tells the marital status of the grantee-- 320 ac for single men; 640 ac for married men. Thomas L. Williams' 640 ac is divided into two tracts (338 ac and 302 ac). The complete file at the Land Office in Austin would have the original certificate, survey, and (I think) the patent. The certificate would tell what granting agent issued it and on what date. If the certificate had been transferred, the transfer would be written on it (usually on the back). The surveyor's report would have the date on which the survey was made, the field notes for the survey, and usually a little plat map of the survey (which is often uninteresting, but may contain references to creeks, roads, etc.). Later surveys (like these) will state its location with respect to the county seat-- so it might say 8 miles South 45 degrees West of Kaufman (or Kingsboro). A great deal of information regarding the myriad aspects of Texas land grants can be found at the General Land Office Website: http://www.glo.state.tx.us/archives.html Justin M. Sanders "I shot an arrow into the air. It fell Dept. of Physics to earth I know not where." --Henry Univ. of South Alabama Wadsworth Longfellow confessing [email protected] to a sad ignorance of ballistics.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: FREILEY Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/FkB.2ACE/158.858.1 Message Board Post: Tracy, Thanks for the offer. I would love to correspond with you. [email protected]

I, too received an empty message from Anne Prichard yesterday. I have gotten dozens of this kind of messages over the past year. The subject is always something of interest or pertaining to my family, and when I try to reply to them, it always comes back "User Unknown". I use a Macintosh and am not affected by viruses, but I've decided this must be something that works like one. Doris

Hello Everyone, I am new to the list. I finally found the family of my 3g grandparents, Thomas L. & Franky (Murrell) Williams in the 1850 Kaufman Co TX Census. They are the next to the last household, with several Howards living with them, and next door. Both of these families must have come from Moniteau Co Missouri, I believe the Williams came about 1848. Thomas & Franky moved to Benton Co AR in 1853, and I never even looked in TX because they had no children born there, and just didn't expect to find them. I looked at birthplaces of their nieghbors' kids in 1860, and several were in TX in 1850, so I thought why not? It appears as though Thomas L. Williams once again bought land in Kaufman Co, according to the list in the County GenWeb Archives. -- ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/tx/kaufman/land/kaufman.txt I have never really done much TX research, and am not sure how to interpret the data here. Do the Abstract Numbers reflect the chronological order in which the land was registered? Is there some sort of numbering grid for the Section Numbers that someone could explain? I am only familiar with Arkansas & Missouri Land grants, and their each township/range location has 36 Sections laid out in a pattern? I ask because I can't figure out the rhyme or reason for the order that is reflected in this lisit. FYI, assuming that the Abstract Number reflects chonological entries, I am interested in these persons. THOMAS L WILLIAMS T. WILLIAMS 17 577-> DAVID F WILLIAMS D. WILLIAMS 83 578 THOMAS L WILLIAMS T. WILLIAMS 177 583 JOSEPHUS WILLIAMS J. WILLIAMS 34 573 WILLIAM WILLIAMS W. WILLIAMS 10 575 JOHN WILLIAMS J. WILLIAMS 52 582 And the Howards close in the Census -- CHARLETON HOWARD C. HOWARD 24 219 WC HOWARD W. HOWARD 62 218 SILAS HOWARD S. HOWARD 305 230 CHARLETON HOWARD 220 EPHRAIM HOWARD E. HOWARD 176 224 Henrys (Thomas Williams travelled with Henrys from Cocke Co TN to Missouri to Arkansas) ANDREW H HENRY A. HENRY 2 221 Any thoughts much appreciated. And would like to communicate if anyone recognizes these people. Especially the Williams. Janet (Baugh) Hunter

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/FkB.2ACE/1093.1.1 Message Board Post: I would love info. on Dora's parents. She has been a mystery to me thus far. She had almost 12 children I believe. My grandmother (Lois's daughter and Dora's granddaughter) knows the name of all of the children and to whom they were married. If you're interested I'll get you that information when I finish compiling it...it may be of no interest to you, however. But, yes, please, anything you have on Dora, who she is and from where she came would be greatly appreciated. I do have a copy of her death certificate...but it doesn't tell much of anything, only that her father was John Mullins...it doesn't even include Dora's mother's name.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Mullins, Perdue Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/FkB.2ACE/1093.1 Message Board Post: Dora(h) Mullins was born in Pike Co., AL, to John Loftin Mullins and Mary Ann Elizabeth (Mollie) Perdue. I don't have much more on her but do have Info on her parents and grandparents if you're interested. I do have her children listed as Lois, Eugene, & Edith (who married a Moss).