sorry, didn't comprehend or read where born. Janice ----- Original Message ----- From: <JBen805363@aol.com> To: <TXHILL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [TXHILL] SHELTON/Turner > In a message dated 11/17/02 10:50:49 AM Central Standard Time, > janiceh@airmail.net writes: > > << SHELTON, George Son <1876> M W Bir: TN (born Tennessee?) > > Cen: TX Freest > > > > SHELTON, George Son <1878> M W Bir: GA (Born Georgia?) > > Cen: TX Hill Precinct2 > > >> > > I understood our subject was born in Ellis County; both these appear to have > been recorded by the census taker as otherwise. > > > ==== TXHILL Mailing List ==== > Website by Debbie: http://cathy_shelley.tripod.com/index.html > http://www.rootsweb.com/~txhill/ > Barb's Photo Page:http://members3.clubphoto.com/barbara260032/guest-1.phtml > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

This is a Geo M. Shelton but having struggled with a George W/M Winton mystery...I know the census taker did not aways record it correctly or the abstractor could not read his writing! Brown County, Texas 1880 census Amos W. SHELTON Self M Male W 36 Tx Farmer TN TN Octavia SHELTON Wife M Female W 34 LA KpgHouse LA LA Lizzie O. SHELTON Other S Female W 9 TEXAS --- --- Annie O. SHELTON Other S Female W 8 TEXAS --- --- Wm. Ed SHELTON Other S Male W 5 TEXAS --- --- George M. SHELTON Other S Male W 2 TEXAS --- --- Source Information: Census Place E.D. 25, Brown, Texas Family History Library Film 1255292 NA Film Number T9-1292 Page Number 420B GRANMUR@aol.com wrote: > Thank you for the prompt reply. Could be Erath. GW Shelton died Sept. , 1963 > Elizabeth Turner Shelton in Sept. 1973. Buried at Old Runnels Cemetery in > Ballinger and lived prior to death in Brownwood. So far the only place I find > them is at the cemetery. > Regards > Ronne > > > ==== TXHILL Mailing List ==== > Website by Debbie: http://cathy_shelley.tripod.com/index.html > http://www.rootsweb.com/~txhill/ > Barb's Photo Page:http://members3.clubphoto.com/barbara260032/guest-1.phtml > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > -- Peggy <'}}}}>< Honnoll http://www.geocities.com/honnoll_honnell/index.html Winton http://www.geocities.com/mawpeggy1946/index.html

Thank you for the prompt reply. Could be Erath. GW Shelton died Sept. , 1963 Elizabeth Turner Shelton in Sept. 1973. Buried at Old Runnels Cemetery in Ballinger and lived prior to death in Brownwood. So far the only place I find them is at the cemetery. Regards Ronne

In a message dated 11/17/02 10:50:49 AM Central Standard Time, janiceh@airmail.net writes: << SHELTON, George Son <1876> M W Bir: TN (born Tennessee?) > Cen: TX Freest > > SHELTON, George Son <1878> M W Bir: GA (Born Georgia?) > Cen: TX Hill Precinct2 > >> I understood our subject was born in Ellis County; both these appear to have been recorded by the census taker as otherwise.

Doing a search for any George Shelton born +/- 5 years from 1877 yields these names for any place in Texas in the 1880 census: SHELTON, George W. Son <1872> M W Bir: TX Cen: TX Morris Precinct3 SHELTON, George SSon <1873> M B Bir: TX Cen: TX ForBen Precinct3 SHELTON, George F. Son <1876> M MU Bir: TX Cen: TX Bastro SHELTON, George Son <1876> M W Bir: TN Cen: TX Freest SHELTON, Georg Son <1876> M B Bir: TX Cen: TX Lamar Precinct7 SHELTON, George M. Other <1878> M W Bir: TX Cen: TX Brown SHELTON, George Son <1878> M W Bir: GA Cen: TX Hill Precinct2 SHELTON, Geo. J. Son <1879> M W Bir: IL Cen: TX Kerr None shown for any of the counties contiguous to Ellis. How about the name of George Shelton's father/mother, and we can search for them? Or brothers/sisters and other details of birthdates, birthplaces, etc.? Jon B.

Have checked the 1880 census records for all Shelton names in Ellis County and find no one similar. Another County, perhaps? Jon B.

Their is Sheltons buried in Anna,Texas!

I'm looking for George Washington Shelton b. Jan. 28, 1877 m. Elizabeth Angieleaner Turner June 14, 1896 in Ellis Co. Texas. Both born in Ellis Co. Tx. I've not been able to find them in any census year. Would appreciate any help. Ronne

IMO---one of these two could be the one. Freestone CO is south of Navarro..... Janice > SHELTON, George Son <1876> M W Bir: TN > Cen: TX Freest > > SHELTON, George Son <1878> M W Bir: GA > Cen: TX Hill Precinct2 >

Dallas Co. is "NORTH" not south of Ellis...got confused. :) Janice ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janice Hancock" <janiceh@airmail.net> To: <TXHILL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [TXHILL] SHELTON/Turner > part of Ellis county (I don't remember the dates) was in Navarro County..so > maybe that would be the one? South of Ellis would be Dallas, East would be > Kaufman and Henderson County....and I think West of Ellis is Johnson > county... > I try to remember those counties due to weather alerts in TX. :) > Janice > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <JBen805363@aol.com> > To: <TXHILL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 10:31 AM > Subject: Re: [TXHILL] SHELTON/Turner > > > > Have checked the 1880 census records for all Shelton names in Ellis County > > and find no one similar. Another County, perhaps? > > > > Jon B. > > > > > > ==== TXHILL Mailing List ==== > > Website by Debbie: http://cathy_shelley.tripod.com/index.html > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~txhill/ > > Barb's Photo > Page:http://members3.clubphoto.com/barbara260032/guest-1.phtml > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== TXHILL Mailing List ==== > Website by Debbie: http://cathy_shelley.tripod.com/index.html > http://www.rootsweb.com/~txhill/ > Barb's Photo Page:http://members3.clubphoto.com/barbara260032/guest-1.phtml > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

part of Ellis county (I don't remember the dates) was in Navarro County..so maybe that would be the one? South of Ellis would be Dallas, East would be Kaufman and Henderson County....and I think West of Ellis is Johnson county... I try to remember those counties due to weather alerts in TX. :) Janice ----- Original Message ----- From: <JBen805363@aol.com> To: <TXHILL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [TXHILL] SHELTON/Turner > Have checked the 1880 census records for all Shelton names in Ellis County > and find no one similar. Another County, perhaps? > > Jon B. > > > ==== TXHILL Mailing List ==== > Website by Debbie: http://cathy_shelley.tripod.com/index.html > http://www.rootsweb.com/~txhill/ > Barb's Photo Page:http://members3.clubphoto.com/barbara260032/guest-1.phtml > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Anne -- It was supposed to be as of the 1st of the year, but who knows what each census taker actually did. Robert Lynn Taylor On Sat, 16 Nov 2002 12:30:37 -0600 anne-wilson@juno.com writes: > When the census was taken and the enumerator asked a person what > their > age was- did he want the date as of that day (the day which is > written at > the top of each census page) or as of the starting date of that > year's > census? One lady who works in the genealogy section of a library > has > told me one thing and another told me another. Now I am confused. > > Anne Wilson > anne-wilson@juno.com > 7 Thirsk Lane > > Bella Vista, Ar. 72714 > > > ==== TXHILL Mailing List ==== > Website by Debbie: http://cathy_shelley.tripod.com/index.html > http://www.rootsweb.com/~txhill/ > Barb's Photo > Page:http://members3.clubphoto.com/barbara260032/guest-1.phtml > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > >

Hello Anne Wilson I was just looking at the 1910 Texas census sheets. the question was "what was you age at your last birthday?" Hope this helps.......lou

This message was copied by me as I needed the dates and understand myself. I thought it would help other people with the same problem. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Olivia Saffold" * * * * * * * How many of us have failed to read the instructions for searching the census? I know I've been guilty of just assuming what I see was the truth, and subsequently, may have dismissed some census, especially those in the time period previous to 1850, as not being the correct line, because it didn't fit my preconceived notions of the number of people in that family. Of course, people being people, these instructions may not have been totally followed by every census taker, but it does help to know about this surprising instruction. Here are some details about the mechanics of taking a census that most of us probably haven't paid much attention to. Beginning with the 1790 (first) federal census and continuing with every census thereafter, each enabling law authorized by Congress specified a census day for gathering the census information from every household in America. From 1790 to 1820, the census day was the first Monday in August. The census day was NOT the day the enumerator arrived at a household, it was the day for which all the statistics of the census were collected. The actual instructions given to all the U.S. Marshals right before the 1820 census explains: "....all the questions refer to the day when the enumeration is to commence; the first Monday in August next. Your assistants will thereby understand that they are to insert in their returns all the persons belonging to the family on the first Monday in August, even those who may be deceased at the time when they take the account; and, on the other hand, that they will not include in it, infants born after that day." Similar instructions have been given for every census since 1790, but with different census days. Census day for each census, 1790-1920, and the time allowed to take the census: 1790 2 August 9 months 1860 1 June 5 months 1800 4 August 9 months 1870 1 June 5 months 1810 6 August 10 months 1880 1 June 1 month 1820 7 August 13 months 1890 1 June 1 month 1830 1 June 12 months 1900 1 June 1 month 1840 1 June 18 months 1910 15 April 1 month 1850 1 June 5 months 1920 1 January 1 month Genealogists should record two dates when copying information from the censuses: the census day and the enumeration date. No matter how many months it took for an enumerator to reach a house, he was supposed to gather the information as if time had stopped on the census day. Every person whose regular abode was in a particular household on the census day was to be enumerated, even if a person were away at the time of the enumeration. Understanding the impact of the census day versus the enumeration date may explain why certain people appear in a census listing, even though you have other evidence to show the person died before the household was enumerated. If a person were alive on the census day, that person was to be included - even if it took some time for the enumerator to get around to the house to take the census. The person could have been dead for several months. Or, you may wonder why that youngest child in a family was not listed in a census. If a child were born after the census day, that child was not to be included - even if the census taker had visited the house and was aware of a playful little toddler crawling around in front of him. For example, on the 1880 Census the information was to be as of 1 June 1880. Births before 1 June would be counted; those coming after 1 June would not be counted. People dying before 1 June would not be enumerated but those dying after 1 June would be enumerated. That means if someone died June 2 but the census was not enumerated until 15 September, the person would be enumerated as though he were living. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Note: The 1930 Census effective date is 1 April 1930. Hope the above information will be able to clarify the confusion. V. Sue

When the census was taken and the enumerator asked a person what their age was- did he want the date as of that day (the day which is written at the top of each census page) or as of the starting date of that year's census? One lady who works in the genealogy section of a library has told me one thing and another told me another. Now I am confused. Anne Wilson anne-wilson@juno.com 7 Thirsk Lane Bella Vista, Ar. 72714

It is supposed to be the day of the start of the census, but I doubt that the question was asked that way -- Aloha Wayne -----Original Message----- From: anne-wilson@juno.com [mailto:anne-wilson@juno.com] Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 8:31 AM To: TXHILL-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [TXHILL] Census dates When the census was taken and the enumerator asked a person what their age was- did he want the date as of that day (the day which is written at the top of each census page) or as of the starting date of that year's census? One lady who works in the genealogy section of a library has told me one thing and another told me another. Now I am confused. Anne Wilson anne-wilson@juno.com 7 Thirsk Lane Bella Vista, Ar. 72714 ==== TXHILL Mailing List ==== Website by Debbie: http://cathy_shelley.tripod.com/index.html http://www.rootsweb.com/~txhill/ Barb's Photo Page:http://members3.clubphoto.com/barbara260032/guest-1.phtml ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

--WebTV-Mail-29441-172 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit THANX, CATHY :REPLYING SIMPLY BEACAUSE MS. TURK'S OBIT BROUGHT BACK MEMORIES OF A CLASSMATE OF THE 1930'S AT ITASCA SCHOOLS, (HILL CO.), 'BOUT TEN MILES NORTH OF HILLSBORO. "TURK" BEING NOT THE MOST COMMON NAME AMONG RESIDENTS OF ITASCA, WAS ONLY PONDERING THE POSSIBILITY THAT MY CLASSMATE , STANLEY TURK, WOULD B A RELATVE. RECALL STANLEY QUITE VIVIDLY, BUT ANY RECOLLECTION OF HIS FAMILY HAS LONG SINCE FADED FROM THIS 85 PLUS YR. MIND. JUST WISHED TO COMMENT. THANX AGAIN, MS. THETIS THOMPSON DURANT. AUSTIN,TX. --WebTV-Mail-29441-172 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from smtpinvite-2001-3.public.lawson.webtv.net (172.16.213.203) by storefull-2237.public.lawson.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 22:04:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists2.rootsweb.com (lists2.rootsweb.com [207.40.200.39]) by smtpinvite-2001-3.public.lawson.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id EDF32FE1D for <ThetisDurant@webtv.net>; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 22:04:13 -0800 (PST) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists2.rootsweb.com (8.12.4/8.12.4) id gAE62Z5J001661; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 23:02:35 -0700 Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 23:02:35 -0700 Message-Id: <200211140602.gAE62Z5J001661@lists2.rootsweb.com> From: TXHILL-D-request@rootsweb.com Subject: TXHILL-D Digest V02 #151 X-Loop: TXHILL-D@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <TXHILL-D@rootsweb.com> archive/volume02/151 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: TXHILL-D@rootsweb.com Reply-To: TXHILL-L@rootsweb.com ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain TXHILL-D Digest Volume 02 : Issue 151 Today's Topics: #1 [TXHILL] obit ["cathy shelley" <cathyshelley@hotm] #2 [TXHILL] Amanda Penix Stephens d 1 ["Ramona Nichols" <rnichols72@hotma] Administrivia: To unsubscribe from TXHILL-D, send a message to TXHILL-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. To contact the list administrator, send mail to TXHILL-cathyshelley@hotmail.com ______________________________ ------------------------------ X-Message: #1 Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 11:17:57 -0600 From: "cathy shelley" <cathyshelley@hotmail.com> To: TXHILL-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <F19Y5yj6tpgaNrcRB1j0000033d@hotmail.com> Subject: [TXHILL] obit Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Mary Faye Turk 1910 - 2002 Mary Faye Turk, 92, a homemaker, passed away Tuesday, Nov. 12, 2002, in an area hospital. Funeral: 10 a.m. Thursday at Ridge Park Cemetery, Hillsboro. Memorial service: 11 a.m. Thursday at First Presbyterian Church, Hillsboro, Rev. Mike Morgan and Rev. Bob Moon officiating. Visitation: 6 to 8 p.m. Wednesday at Marshall and Marshall Funeral Directors, Hillsboro. Memorials: contributions may be made to First Presbyterian Church, PO Box 635, Hillsboro, Texas 76645. Mary Faye Turk was born Jan. 10, 1910, in Union Bluff Community, Hill County, the daughter of Ed and Virgie Lou (Moser) Cypert. She graduated from Abbott High School and married Herbert Cooper Turk on March 22, 1930. They resided in Hill County until 1949, when they moved to Jal, N.M. He preceded her in death on Aug. 5, 1975, and she returned to Hillsboro the following year. Mary is also preceded in death by sisters Dixie Williams, Hazel Springer and Nell McDaniel, and brothers Eugene, Virgil, Wilbur, Millard and Othel Cypert. Mary was a member of First Presbyterian Church of Hillsboro. Survivors: Daughter, Wanda Turk Cook and husband, J.D., of Mertzon; son, Ed Turk and wife, Bobbie, of Benbrook; brother, Vernon Cypert of Waco; sister, Geneva Hill of Hillsboro; grandchildren, John David Cook of Mertzon, Priscilla McCollum and husband, Steve, of San Angelo, and Doug Turk and wife, Angie, of Quitman; one great-grandchild, Lauren Jean McCollum of San Angelo. 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I was wondering if someone could possible help me find an obit for Amanda Penix Sephens who died in Hill County TX 19 Feb 1916. I sure would appreciate any help. Her death certificate does not give a cemetery where she is buried. I am hoping an obit will give that information. Again thank you, Ramona Nichols _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail

Mary Faye Turk 1910 - 2002 Mary Faye Turk, 92, a homemaker, passed away Tuesday, Nov. 12, 2002, in an area hospital. Funeral: 10 a.m. Thursday at Ridge Park Cemetery, Hillsboro. Memorial service: 11 a.m. Thursday at First Presbyterian Church, Hillsboro, Rev. Mike Morgan and Rev. Bob Moon officiating. Visitation: 6 to 8 p.m. Wednesday at Marshall and Marshall Funeral Directors, Hillsboro. Memorials: contributions may be made to First Presbyterian Church, PO Box 635, Hillsboro, Texas 76645. Mary Faye Turk was born Jan. 10, 1910, in Union Bluff Community, Hill County, the daughter of Ed and Virgie Lou (Moser) Cypert. She graduated from Abbott High School and married Herbert Cooper Turk on March 22, 1930. They resided in Hill County until 1949, when they moved to Jal, N.M. He preceded her in death on Aug. 5, 1975, and she returned to Hillsboro the following year. Mary is also preceded in death by sisters Dixie Williams, Hazel Springer and Nell McDaniel, and brothers Eugene, Virgil, Wilbur, Millard and Othel Cypert. Mary was a member of First Presbyterian Church of Hillsboro. Survivors: Daughter, Wanda Turk Cook and husband, J.D., of Mertzon; son, Ed Turk and wife, Bobbie, of Benbrook; brother, Vernon Cypert of Waco; sister, Geneva Hill of Hillsboro; grandchildren, John David Cook of Mertzon, Priscilla McCollum and husband, Steve, of San Angelo, and Doug Turk and wife, Angie, of Quitman; one great-grandchild, Lauren Jean McCollum of San Angelo. Published in the Star-Telegram on 11/13/2002. _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail