I have found that a lot of the d/c's were never forwarded to the state. I have located where my Jonathan Marvin Morris died [via an obituary] -- Port Aransas -- but his death in the late 40's is NOT on the state death list. I am hoping that I will be able to find it at the local level. So, be aware -- the d/c MIGHT not have ever made it to Austin! Cheryl

Even though some cities began keeping death records by 1900 and Texas said to do it in 1903, many deaths were not reported. A deputy clerk in our local County Clerk's Office told me not to expect to find one until after World War II. That before then, it was sporadic. A cousin and I were in Kaufman County 15 or 20 years ago researching. On our way there, we discussed the problems with death certificates and the filing. While there, in a book totally unrelated to vital records, she found a folded letter from the state health department to the county clerk, dated 1934 (as I recall) concerning the failure of many doctors to file death certificates. The letter told the clerk to stay after physicians to see that they filed them. All four of my paternal great-grandparents died in Texas after 1903 - in 1907, 1912, 1916, and 1920. None had a death certificate. Of the 12 children in my grandparents' family, one had a death certificate on file at the time of birth, between 1905-1923. They did have probate birth certificates filed later. There is a state death records index available on microfilm. There are two early series, from 1903-1940 and 1941-1945. After these dates, the index is by year. Deaths after 1966 are available on Internet. One thing some people do not know is that cities of a certain size kept their own records apart from the county death records. They were sent for recording in the state just like the county records were. Check with the city for information. Denton has city birth and death records beginning in 1900. The problem with the birth records is that most have only the sex of the child, date of birth, father's name and maybe mother's name. Death records had a bit more information. Hope this helps you, Diana

Judy, The State of Texas began keeping death records in 1903, according to the Grayson County Clerk's office. You can request a death certificate for $9.00. If they don't have it, they will keep the $9.00 as research fee. There is a form for that purpose. The address is Bureau of Vital Statistics Texas Department of Health PO Box 12040 Austin, Texas 78711-2040. The Grayson County Clerk said that they started keeping death records in 1909, so they may also have the record. They also charge $9.00, so if you want a certified death certificate, that's the cost. The State requires a copy of ID for you, and the relationship to the deceased, and the reason you are requesting the record. I hope this helps. Regards, Ken Hestand [email protected] wrote: > > Does anyone on the list know of newspapers on microfilm for the > Sherman/Denison area for 1913? My husband's grandmother died in Hagerman in > September of 1913. There is no death certificate on file and no listing on > any cemetery index so I thought I would check newspapers next. > > Thanks! > > Judy > Oklahoma City > > ==== TXGRAYSO Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 2000 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: [email protected] http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe Request: [email protected]

Does anyone on the list know of newspapers on microfilm for the Sherman/Denison area for 1913? My husband's grandmother died in Hagerman in September of 1913. There is no death certificate on file and no listing on any cemetery index so I thought I would check newspapers next. Thanks! Judy Oklahoma City

If it has not been mentioned before, those of you with ancestors from KY may be interested in the book "Kentucky Colonization in Texas" A History of the Peters Colony by Seymour V. Connor. It does not have an index as such, but does have different list and where they were from and neither does it have stories on many individuals. It is a good book though to give one an idea of what was going on. Contrary to what some seem to believe there was not only "one" wagon train - in fact, some came part of the way by boat. I had forgotten I had this book when I e-mailed a couple of Mitchell descendants of Grayson County. For them - there were two Mitchell's among the original group John and David - both from VA. David received land in Tarrant & John in Collin Counties. There was no Hestand on any list in this book. Marlene

I would like to invite you to explore our new website The POORHOUSE STORY at http://www.poorhousestory.com which is a clearinghouse for information about 19th century American Poorhouses. We have only recently began to collect information on TEXAS. What we have may be found at http://www.poorhousestory.com/poorhouses_in_texas.htm It includes some information about Anderson, Tarrant, Travis and Grayson counties. And we are especially proud to share with you a featured article about KAUFMAN County. It is great! And we would like to do many more such articles for other counties in Texas. The article only came about because Kathey Kelley Hunt heard about The POORHOUSE STORY and e-mailed to share what information she had. Then we collaborated to put together the story you can find at http://www.poorhousestory.com/TX_kaufman_county_pf2.htm We hope that many more of you can help us find more information about poorhouses in Texas. Hope you enjoy the site. Feel free to post any information you may have about that or any other poorhouse ... either on the MESSAGE BOARD or by e-mailing me. The only way this site will grow to include more TEXAS info is by kind folks tipping me off to it!!! <grin> Please don't respond to me on this list. (I would get FIRED or SUED by my ISP if I maintained subscriptions to all the e-mail lists on which I post announcements!! <grin>) Thanks, Linda Crannell (aka=The Poorhouse Lady

It could have been there, but I do not think my uncle was there at the time. It most likely was where my grandmother was in 1910. Mother says The Henry House. So who knows? thanks for the reply. Frances N. Armaly [email protected]

My father-in-law's family lived in Hagerman, TX for a time. The train passed thru Hagerman as I recently found a photo of family members in front of the depot there around 1925. The town no longer exists as list members so graciously helped me to learn. Perhaps the restaurant could have been there. Judy Oklahoma City

Hello List, I am looking for any information on a Ted White who was the son of Asa Saunders White and Lenna (Hurst) White. He married Stella Rebecca on October 26, 1940. There were no children from this marriage. Deborah

I am still working on the webpage for the cemeteries to be listed. I have a folder I am digging for that will add much to what was asked the other day. Meanwhile though you can use this address to watch the files. You will note that neither the Transcription project nor the archives always keep up with the files dropped into the folders. It is easy to get out of step. This address shows what files are in the folders and don't need to be linked. ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/tx/grayson/cemetery/

I am not too familiar withWest Hill , though I go past it and have gone to see some of the statues. It is a huge cemetery. You could do an all day tour probably with all the interesting markers. There are other little houses over childrens graves around. One in Fannin County was a playhouse full of her toys! There are also Cenotaphs or empty tombs shaped usually of brick like that . They are graves for the soul of those buried elsewhere or lost at sea, etc. The Choctaws also make large houses on their graves but that practice is almost gone now. I teach cemetery folklore whenever I get the chance. Susan

Mike and Sue - West Hill Cemetery in Sherman I have threatened to write so many times, but the limping around on ruined knees got to me. I have found relief from pain by taking dietary supplements Glusosamine and Condroitin for years. Last year, my Rheumatologist advised me that his patients were pleased with results obtained by taking Glucosomine and so am I. My Grandparents Nancy Martha Jane Duncan b. 1851 Cobb Co GA d. 1917 Hagerman Community Grayson Co and J Alfred Johnson (Francis?) b. 1848 Napa Valley CA disappeared from the present Denison Dam area Nov 1883 had a son, James or Johnny, born and died ca 1874 Sherman. Gfather was a brickmason and he built a little "house" over their baby's resting place in West Hill Cemetery. Have you seen or heard of this? Please and thanks for any input. Corine (Connie) Johnson Huey (Mrs Bill J 1874 Sherman Original Message------ From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: August 13, 2000 1:00:36 PM GMT Subject: TXGRAYSO-D Digest V00 #117 Content-Type: text/plain TXGRAYSO-D Digest Volume 00 : Issue 117 Today's Topics: #1 [GRAYSON] West Hill Cemetery [[email protected]] #2 Fwd: [GRAYSON] West Hill Cemetery [[email protected]] #3 Re: [GRAYSON] West Hill Cemetery [Hawkins <[email protected]>] #4 [GRAYSON] West Hill responses [[email protected]] #5 Re: [GRAYSON] Cemeteries and Churc [Hawkins <[email protected]>] #6 [GRAYSON] Grayson 1880 Census [Cheryl Morris <[email protected]] #7 Re: [GRAYSON] John CRAIG ["B & L Denard" <[email protected]>] #8 Re: [GRAYSON] Cemeteries and Churc [Julia Brewer <[email protected]] Administrivia: To unsubscribe from TXGRAYSO-D, send a message to [email protected] that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. ______________________________ - ------------------------------

I am seeking information on HUGH E. BLACKBURN son of ALONZO L. BLACKBURN b. Oct.1.1894 in Texas, died Oct 5, 1985 in Grayson Co. Tx. Would appreciate any help. Ray

Dear Texans, My grandfather, Lee Kersey, was b. 1882 in Van Alstyne. His mother, Martha (Vaughn) Kersey, died when he was 8 or 9 yrs old (abt. 1890). I have not been able to find out anything about her death. She was b. 1846 in Tn. My uncle and aunt said she was Cherokee. My uncle said there were many Cherokee families in Grayson Co. around Sadler and Whitesboro. Does anyone know about this? Julia Hawkins wrote: > The Sherman Library has a great Van Alstyne List as does the Van Alstyne > library. I would email them I am sure they are online somewhere. Since you are > are just asking for one lookup name I would be they would oblige > The ones for Collin County are good but any of them can be missing someone. > There are lots of little cemeteries around that part of the countryside. Almost > all of them recorded. > Susan > Beth J wrote: > > > I believe my gg grandfather's second wife, Una/Eunice Stuckey ABEL is buried > > at Van Alstyne. She died 7 May 1882, McKinney, Collin Co, but they lived > > very near Grayson Co and she is said to be buried at Van Alstyne. How do I > > go about determining if she is indeed buried there? She is not listed in > > the Collin Co cemetery book that includes Van Alstyne, but that doesn't > > necessarily mean she isn't there. > > > > Also, does anyone have a listing of churches in the area of Van > > Alstyne/Anna/McKinney? I know Una and husband were active in the Baptist > > church, trying to find which church they attended. > > > > I have been making inquiries re the 1852 Wagon Train on my KY lists, will > > let you know if I find any info! > > > > Beth Abel Jones > > > > ==== TXGRAYSO Mailing List ==== > > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > > -- Copyright 2000 Author -- All Rights Reserved > > Post to List: [email protected] http://www.selfroots.com > > Unsubscribe Request: [email protected] > > ==== TXGRAYSO Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 2000 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: [email protected] http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe Request: [email protected]

Does someone on the list have access to the 1880 Census? If so, can you copy the page for vol 14, ED 16, sheet 9 line 30 of Justice Precinct #8? This has my Morris family and I'd like a copy of the sheet they are listed on. And, does anyone have any idea where Justice Precinct #8 was in 1880??? if so, contact me privately Cheryl

The Sherman Library has a great Van Alstyne List as does the Van Alstyne library. I would email them I am sure they are online somewhere. Since you are are just asking for one lookup name I would be they would oblige The ones for Collin County are good but any of them can be missing someone. There are lots of little cemeteries around that part of the countryside. Almost all of them recorded. Susan Beth J wrote: > I believe my gg grandfather's second wife, Una/Eunice Stuckey ABEL is buried > at Van Alstyne. She died 7 May 1882, McKinney, Collin Co, but they lived > very near Grayson Co and she is said to be buried at Van Alstyne. How do I > go about determining if she is indeed buried there? She is not listed in > the Collin Co cemetery book that includes Van Alstyne, but that doesn't > necessarily mean she isn't there. > > Also, does anyone have a listing of churches in the area of Van > Alstyne/Anna/McKinney? I know Una and husband were active in the Baptist > church, trying to find which church they attended. > > I have been making inquiries re the 1852 Wagon Train on my KY lists, will > let you know if I find any info! > > Beth Abel Jones > > ==== TXGRAYSO Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 2000 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: [email protected] http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe Request: [email protected]

Mike doesn't read this list or the website either. Right now he is working on West Hill and also is reading the obits that go with them and putting the info in there. He probably hasn't finished it all. I showed him the microfilm of the cemetery cards so he will also check those for unmarked graves. He is like me running (or rather limping around ) with ruined knees. He has had replacements and needs another so he is doing what he can in the summer heat inside and then will head out again. If you know of someone missing let me know if he dosn't answer his mail. ( I know he rarely does). I can go see him and give more info to be added. Or to be checked. I am so thankful he is doing this. I don't think I could last past the ones I am doing. susan [email protected] wrote: > Recently I visited the Grayson County cemetery site and was pleased to find > West Hill Cemetery, Sherman, listed. However, none of my husband's ancestors > (mainly Nelson and Harris) were listed on the site. I know they are buried > there, because the cemetery was very kind in corresponding with me a few > years back. Can anyone tell me why the discrepancy? > > Thanks, > Pat Nelson > > ==== TXGRAYSO Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 2000 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: [email protected] http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe Request: [email protected]

Hi, I wrote an earlier query asking about relatives "missing" from the online West Hill cemetery site. Several listers have explained to me that volunteers (Sue and Mike?) are walking around actually taking inventory of headstones to get the information they post. Since my husband's ancestors probably did not purchase headstones, that would be why they are not included on the site. I'd like to thank Sue and Mike (I hope I have that right) and all of the other volunteers who make it possible for those of us who can't travel to do our research to be able to find our ancestors from the comfort of our living rooms. I REALLY appreciate what you are doing for all of us. (and in the Texas sun???) Thank you so much, Pat Nelson

I stated in my last letter that my Craig family was in Young Co. in the 1880 census. This is not correct. They were in the Grayson Co., 1880 census. Loretta D. ---------- > From: B & L Denard <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: [GRAYSON] John CRAIG > Date: Friday, August 11, 2000 6:18 PM > > Looking for information on John Craig b.1860 Jasper Co., IL, and his sister > Myrta Craig b.1874 Jasper Co., IL. > > During the 1870's their parents Timothy S. Craig and Eleanor B. Smallwood > Craig left Jasper Co., IL. Their oldest daughter Sara Elizabeth married > before they left for Texas. In the 1880 TX census for Young Co. they were > listed with their children; > Samuel W., John, Andrew J., Myrta, and Walter I. I have found some > information on Samuel, Andrew, and Walter. I have found nothing on John or > Myrta. I know from my Craig family that Timothy and Eleanor died in TX, > but do not know where. > > Appreciate any help you can give me. Loretta D. > > ______________________________

--part1_66.6779193.26c70c74_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part1_66.6779193.26c70c74_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: <[email protected]> From: [email protected] Full-name: RGailey525 Message-ID: <[email protected]> Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 16:21:15 EDT Subject: Re: [GRAYSON] West Hill Cemetery To: [email protected] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 120 Hi: I am Treasure of our cemetery and although we know of some people being buried there, does not mean that there is a headstone. Those who inventory cemetery goes by the "markers", not necessary by the records. Hope this helps. I know that West Hill has records of some without headstone as I have kin there. Leroy Gailey Paint Rock, Texas --part1_66.6779193.26c70c74_boundary--