All the vitals are still in Clay Archives. Vicki Shirley Cullum wrote: > How many times do we need to say "the files are gone"? LOL > > --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Elaine <McStumped@suddenlink.net> wrote: > > > From: Elaine <McStumped@suddenlink.net> > Subject: Re: [TXGEN] Files are in the Archives > To: > Cc: txgen@rootsweb.com > Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 12:33 PM > > > Dorman, > > One example is Nueces County Archives. > http://www.usgwarchives.net/tx/nueces/nuetoc.htm > > Click on any census and all you get is 404 > > Click on Birth Records, Death Records, Marriage Records, Divorce Records > and all you get is 404 > > We were told they were removed due to identity theft. So we began > investigating and many files in many counties have been removed from the > archives. > > Elaine > > txarchives@mac.com wrote: > >> Elaine, >> >> There was a discussion among the Archives FMs in 2008 concerning the >> unbelievable amounts of >> requests to be removed from people "googling" their names and finding >> marriage, birth and divorce >> records in the public domain. >> >> Some county FMs decided to remove the birth Vital Records because of >> the 75 year rule in the State >> of Texas. >> >> Its a sticky issue in my opinion. From my experience, I removed >> hundreds of names a week from those who have requested their names >> to be removed from the archives. I've been threatened with lawsuits, >> court cases, bodily harm, cussed, etc. >> >> Is there a specific county that you have reference? >> >> Dorman Holub: txarchives@mac.com >> Texas Archives State File Manager: http://usgwarchives.net/tx/txfiles.htm >> >> >> >> On Apr 6, 2009, at 10:58 AM, Elaine wrote: >> >> >>> Dorman, >>> >>> The problem is that the files that were linked to in RW are not in the >>> archives with USGenWeb now, and when we asked some of the archive >>> managers, we were told they were removed because of the possibility of >>> them being used for identity theft. We had always been told in the >>> past it was fine to link to individual files, but they were removed with >>> no warning......we just suddenly had a lot of broken links and have been >>> unable to find the files in the USGenWeb archives site to relink to. >>> Were we told correctly that files were removed and will no longer be in >>> the archives? >>> >>> Elaine >>> >>> txarchives@mac.com wrote: >>> >>>> The Archives files that Shirley has a question about being removed are >>>> the old Rootsweb.Ancestry.com files in Texas. >>>> They are now all gone. >>>> >>>> The CCs need to update their links to the Texas Archives page instead >>>> of individual files in the archives. >>>> >>>> >>>> The new link to the census pages in question is: >>>> >>>> http://files.usgwarchives.net/tx/census/ >>>> >>>> >>>> Everyone needs to ensure your links to the Archives pages are correct. >>>> http://www.usgwarchives.net/tx/managers.htm >>>> >>>> >>>> Dorman Holub: txarchives@mac.com >>>> Texas Archives State File Manager: >>>> http://usgwarchives.net/tx/txfiles.htm >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Apr 6, 2009, at 8:22 AM, Shirley Cullum wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Dorman Holub is checking with Linda and/or Joy to find out more >>>>> information for us. >>>>> >>>>> Shirley >>>>> >>>>> --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Vicki <wire@shaffer.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: Vicki <wire@shaffer.com> >>>>> Subject: Re: [TXGEN] Fwd: [TXGW-NEWS] Files No Longer Available in >>>>> the Archives >>>>> To: txgen@rootsweb.com >>>>> Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 8:19 AM >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> It could be that a file manager forgot to move the census files to new >>>>> server. But someone probably still has them on their computer and can >>>>> replace. >>>>> >>>>> Vicki >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Shirley Cullum wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Nan, >>>>>> No, the files have been removed from the new Archives site >>>>>> and includes many Census files from the 1800's. >>>>>> >>>>>> Shirley >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Nan <nstarjak@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> From: Nan <nstarjak@gmail.com> >>>>>> Subject: [TXGEN] Fwd: [TXGW-NEWS] Files No Longer Available in the >>>>>> Archives >>>>>> To: txgen@rootsweb.com >>>>>> Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 8:04 AM >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Shirley. >>>>>> >>>>>> Could these be links to the old archives files on rootsweb? Those >>>>>> have been deleted (at long last), since everything should be on >>>>>> www.usgwarchives.net since last year. >>>>>> >>>>>> There may have been some vital records deleted from the current site, >>>>>> but I'm not aware of any wholesale deletions of other types of files. >>>>>> >>>>>> Nan >>>>>> (who also works in the archives) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>> From: <shirlcullum@sbcglobal.net> >>>>>> Date: Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 11:50 PM >>>>>> Subject: [TXGW-NEWS] Files No Longer Available in the Archives >>>>>> To: "TXGW-NEWS-L@rootsweb.com" <TXGW-NEWS-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Everyone, >>>>>> Tonight I found that many of the files in the Archives for >>>>>> some >>>>>> of our counties have been removed. The removed files include all >>>>>> types >>>>>> of records, births, deaths, cemeteries, biographies...and the list >>>>>> goes on. >>>>>> >>>>>> I contacted a couple of Archives managers and they confirmed that >>>>>> some >>>>>> files have been removed. That leads me to be concerned that more >>>>>> counties will be affected in the near future. >>>>>> >>>>>> Please check your links to individual files in the Archives for your >>>>>> county to see if your county is affected. I would even suggest that >>>>>> you link only to the county and state Archives rather than individual >>>>>> files since they may be removed. >>>>>> >>>>>> Here are a couple of free programs for checking for dead links: >>>>>> Xenu http://home.snafu.de/tilman/xenulink.html >>>>>> And for those who would rather use a link checker that doesn't have >>>>>> to >>>>>> be downloaded, here is a link to Dead-Links.com >>>>>> http://www.dead-links.com/ . >>>>>> >>>>>> Please let me know if I can help in any way. >>>>>> >>>>>> Shirley >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>> TXGW-NEWS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>>>> the >>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>> TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com >>>>>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >>>>>> the body of the message >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>> TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com >>>>>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >>>>>> the body of the message >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com >>>>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >>>>> the body of the message >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com >>>>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >>>>> the body of the message >>>>> >>>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> Whenever I feel that the world is moving too fast, I go to the Post >>> Office. >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> > >

Dorman, The chain of command was followed to the point of receiving an answer, which was only identity theft. Shirley then contacted you, which was the next link in the chain. In the meantime, we have to take care of our counties and try to remove the broken links. We do not have the luxury of sitting back and waiting for someone else to do something on the archives end because we have no way of knowing if the links, some or all, will be restored or not. And if identity theft is the issue, and 75 years is the rule of thumb, then why were vital records prior to 1934 removed? The archives have been moved for a long time now, and still have links to nonexisting managers, the old archives, the old TXGenWeb site, etc. It does not give us the impression that we can sit back and wait for the links to be found/restored, if they indeed will be. I am sorry if I seem upset by this, but all it would have taken down the line was one email to the State Coordinators list to say check your state/counties archives to be sure you are not linking to the wrong or removed files. Then it would have been on each state's SC to see that their state was not full of broken links. Instead, we had to wait until patrons complained to discover this. Elaine Dorman Holub wrote: > Elaine, > > Much of this could possible by solves by following a chain of command. > > When someone finds a missing link - they report that to the > coordinator, in Nueces County, that's Don Brownlee. > > If there is no satisfactory answer - one can appeal to the State > Coordinator and ask for clarification on that issue. > > The vitals of Nueces County are available. Don has not requested from > me that they be re-loaded. > I will have to look on the census of Nueces County, but Don has not > mentioned the census or that there was a problem. > > There is a link to the census that I know we have in the archives: > http://files.usgwarchives.net/tx/census/ > > Dorman Holub > > On Apr 6, 2009, at 12:53 PM, Elaine wrote: > >> Dorman, >> >> I am referring to filse such as Nueces County census files, which no >> longer exist in the archives. >> Elaine >> >> Dorman Holub wrote: >>> Elaine, >>> >>> I suspect the reason many of the "vitals" were removed is because >>> the FM at that time >>> was tired of the constant harassing of those wanting to be removed >>> from the >>> marriage, divorce and birth records. Typically, when people want >>> things removed >>> they don't understand that search engine caches don't move as fast >>> as we do. >>> >>> The issue is identity theft. There is a certain genre of people that >>> are wanting their names >>> removed from any and all records. We allowed them that right when we >>> stated on our records >>> that if they wanted their names removed, it would be done. >>> >>> When you say "many files in many counties" are you referring to the >>> Vital Records files? >>> or are you referring to something else? >>> >>> Dorman Holub >>> >>> On Apr 6, 2009, at 12:33 PM, Elaine wrote: >>> >>>> Dorman, >>>> >>>> One example is Nueces County Archives. >>>> http://www.usgwarchives.net/tx/nueces/nuetoc.htm >>>> >>>> Click on any census and all you get is 404 >>>> >>>> Click on Birth Records, Death Records, Marriage Records, Divorce >>>> Records >>>> and all you get is 404 >>>> >>>> We were told they were removed due to identity theft. So we began >>>> investigating and many files in many counties have been removed >>>> from the >>>> archives. >>>> >>>> Elaine >>>> >>>> txarchives@mac.com wrote: >>>>> Elaine, >>>>> >>>>> There was a discussion among the Archives FMs in 2008 concerning the >>>>> unbelievable amounts of >>>>> requests to be removed from people "googling" their names and finding >>>>> marriage, birth and divorce >>>>> records in the public domain. >>>>> >>>>> Some county FMs decided to remove the birth Vital Records because of >>>>> the 75 year rule in the State >>>>> of Texas. >>>>> >>>>> Its a sticky issue in my opinion. From my experience, I removed >>>>> hundreds of names a week from those who have requested their names >>>>> to be removed from the archives. I've been threatened with lawsuits, >>>>> court cases, bodily harm, cussed, etc. >>>>> >>>>> Is there a specific county that you have reference? >>>>> >>>>> Dorman Holub: txarchives@mac.com >>>>> Texas Archives State File Manager: >>>>> http://usgwarchives.net/tx/txfiles.htm >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Apr 6, 2009, at 10:58 AM, Elaine wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Dorman, >>>>>> >>>>>> The problem is that the files that were linked to in RW are not >>>>>> in the >>>>>> archives with USGenWeb now, and when we asked some of the archive >>>>>> managers, we were told they were removed because of the >>>>>> possibility of >>>>>> them being used for identity theft. We had always been told in the >>>>>> past it was fine to link to individual files, but they were >>>>>> removed with >>>>>> no warning......we just suddenly had a lot of broken links and >>>>>> have been >>>>>> unable to find the files in the USGenWeb archives site to relink to. >>>>>> Were we told correctly that files were removed and will no longer >>>>>> be in >>>>>> the archives? >>>>>> >>>>>> Elaine >>>>>> >>>>>> txarchives@mac.com wrote: >>>>>>> The Archives files that Shirley has a question about being >>>>>>> removed are >>>>>>> the old Rootsweb.Ancestry.com files in Texas. >>>>>>> They are now all gone. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The CCs need to update their links to the Texas Archives page >>>>>>> instead >>>>>>> of individual files in the archives. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The new link to the census pages in question is: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://files.usgwarchives.net/tx/census/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Everyone needs to ensure your links to the Archives pages are >>>>>>> correct. >>>>>>> http://www.usgwarchives.net/tx/managers.htm >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dorman Holub: txarchives@mac.com >>>>>>> Texas Archives State File Manager: >>>>>>> http://usgwarchives.net/tx/txfiles.htm >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Apr 6, 2009, at 8:22 AM, Shirley Cullum wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dorman Holub is checking with Linda and/or Joy to find out more >>>>>>>> information for us. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Shirley >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Vicki <wire@shaffer.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From: Vicki <wire@shaffer.com> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [TXGEN] Fwd: [TXGW-NEWS] Files No Longer Available in >>>>>>>> the Archives >>>>>>>> To: txgen@rootsweb.com >>>>>>>> Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 8:19 AM >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It could be that a file manager forgot to move the census files >>>>>>>> to new >>>>>>>> server. But someone probably still has them on their computer >>>>>>>> and can >>>>>>>> replace. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Vicki >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Shirley Cullum wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Nan, >>>>>>>>> No, the files have been removed from the new Archives site >>>>>>>>> and includes many Census files from the 1800's. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Shirley >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Nan <nstarjak@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> From: Nan <nstarjak@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> Subject: [TXGEN] Fwd: [TXGW-NEWS] Files No Longer Available in >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> Archives >>>>>>>>> To: txgen@rootsweb.com >>>>>>>>> Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 8:04 AM >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Shirley. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Could these be links to the old archives files on rootsweb? >>>>>>>>> Those >>>>>>>>> have been deleted (at long last), since everything should be on >>>>>>>>> www.usgwarchives.net since last year. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> There may have been some vital records deleted from the >>>>>>>>> current site, >>>>>>>>> but I'm not aware of any wholesale deletions of other types of >>>>>>>>> files. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Nan >>>>>>>>> (who also works in the archives) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>>>>> From: <shirlcullum@sbcglobal.net> >>>>>>>>> Date: Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 11:50 PM >>>>>>>>> Subject: [TXGW-NEWS] Files No Longer Available in the Archives >>>>>>>>> To: "TXGW-NEWS-L@rootsweb.com" <TXGW-NEWS-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Everyone, >>>>>>>>> Tonight I found that many of the files in the Archives for >>>>>>>>> some >>>>>>>>> of our counties have been removed. The removed files include all >>>>>>>>> types >>>>>>>>> of records, births, deaths, cemeteries, biographies...and the >>>>>>>>> list >>>>>>>>> goes on. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I contacted a couple of Archives managers and they confirmed that >>>>>>>>> some >>>>>>>>> files have been removed. That leads me to be concerned that more >>>>>>>>> counties will be affected in the near future. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Please check your links to individual files in the Archives >>>>>>>>> for your >>>>>>>>> county to see if your county is affected. I would even >>>>>>>>> suggest that >>>>>>>>> you link only to the county and state Archives rather than >>>>>>>>> individual >>>>>>>>> files since they may be removed. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Here are a couple of free programs for checking for dead links: >>>>>>>>> Xenu http://home.snafu.de/tilman/xenulink.html >>>>>>>>> And for those who would rather use a link checker that doesn't >>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> be downloaded, here is a link to Dead-Links.com >>>>>>>>> http://www.dead-links.com/ . >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Please let me know if I can help in any way. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Shirley >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>>>>> TXGW-NEWS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>>>>>>> without >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>>>>> TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com >>>>>>>>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >>>>>>>>> the body of the message >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>>>>> TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com >>>>>>>>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >>>>>>>>> the body of the message >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>>>> TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com >>>>>>>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >>>>>>>> the body of the message >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>>>> TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com >>>>>>>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >>>>>>>> the body of the message >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>>> TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Whenever I feel that the world is moving too fast, I go to the Post >>>>>> Office. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>> TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Whenever I feel that the world is moving too fast, I go to the Post >>>> Office. >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Whenever I feel that the world is moving too fast, I go to the Post >> Office. >> > > -- Whenever I feel that the world is moving too fast, I go to the Post Office.

They were removed because the State forgot to take the adoptee's names off the records they let out. Then that was fixed and it was let out again. On 4/6/09, Shirley Cullum <shirlcullum@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > Good point, Sue. And the paid subscription sites are using all the > information that once was available free from the Texas Department of > Health. Those records were removed from the Internet by the state but then > they sold the info on CD's. How does that protect anyone? > > Shirley > > --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Sue Tackel <sue@wisecountytexas.info> wrote: > > > From: Sue Tackel <sue@wisecountytexas.info> > Subject: Re: [TXGEN] TX Public Information Act > To: txgen@rootsweb.com > Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 12:32 PM > > >     We have come up against that Identity Theft problem here in Wise County. > (Should be public information after - 75 years for Birth Records, and 25 > years for Death Records) - (See text and link below for TX Public > Information Act) >     What about births and obituaries in the local papers. ????? > Sue > > Text of the Texas Public Information Act > http://www.oag.state.tx.us/AG_Publications/txts/2004publicinfohb_3_01.shtml > § 552.115. Exception: Birth and Death Records > (a) A birth or death record maintained by the bureau of vital statistics of > the Texas Department of Health or a local registration official is excepted > from the requirements of Section 552.021, except that: > (1) a birth record is public information and available to the public on and > after the 75th anniversary of the date of birth as shown on the record filed > with the bureau of vital statistics or local registration official; > (2) a death record is public information and available to the public on and > after the 25th anniversary of the date of death as shown on the record filed > with the bureau of vital statistics or local registration official; > (3) a general birth index or a general death index established or maintained > by the bureau of vital statistics or a local registration official is public > information and available to the public to the extent the index relates to a > birth record or death record that is public information and available to the > public under Subdivision (1) or (2); > (4) a summary birth index or a summary death index prepared or maintained by > the bureau of vital statistics or a local registration official is public > information and available to the public; and > (5) a birth or death record is available to the chief executive officer of a > home-rule municipality or the officer's designee if: > (A) the record is used only to identify a property owner or other person to > whom the municipality is required to give notice when enforcing a state > statute or an ordinance; > (B) the municipality has exercised due diligence in the manner described by > Section 54.035(e), Local Government Code, to identify the person; and > (C) the officer or designee signs a confidentiality agreement that requires > that: > (i) the information not be disclosed outside the office of the officer or > designee, or within the office for a purpose other than the purpose > described by Paragraph (A); > (ii) the information be labeled as confidential; > (iii) the information be kept securely; and > (iv) the number of copies made of the information or the notes taken from > the information that implicate the confidential nature of the information be > controlled, with all copies or notes that are not destroyed or returned > remaining confidential and subject to the confidentiality agreement. > (b) Notwithstanding Subsection (a), a general birth index or a summary birth > index is not public information and is not available to the public if: > (1) the fact of an adoption or paternity determination can be revealed by > the index; or > (2) the index contains specific identifying information relating to the > parents of a child who is the subject of an adoption placement. > (c) Subsection (a)(1) does not apply to the microfilming agreement entered > into by the Genealogical Society of Utah, a nonprofit corporation organized > under the laws of the State of Utah, and the Archives and Information > Services Division of the Texas State Library and Archives Commission. > (d) For the purposes of fulfilling the terms of the agreement in Subsection > (c), the Genealogical Society of Utah shall have access to birth records on > and after the 50th anniversary of the date of birth as shown on the record > filed with the bureau of vital statistics or local registration official, > but such birth records shall not be made available to the public until the > 75th anniversary of the date of birth as shown on the record. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Shirley Cullum" <shirlcullum@sbcglobal.net> > To: <txgen@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 11:20 AM > Subject: Re: [TXGEN] Files are in the Archives > > > Dorman, > Some birth, death, and census files are gone from some county Archives at > the new Archives site. I was told this was due to identity theft issues by > the county file manager. > > Shirley > > --- On Mon, 4/6/09, txarchives@mac.com <txarchives@mac.com> wrote: > > > From: txarchives@mac.com <txarchives@mac.com> > Subject: [TXGEN] Files are in the Archives > To: txgen@rootsweb.com > Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 9:44 AM > > > The Archives files that Shirley has a question about being removed are > the old Rootsweb.Ancestry.com files in Texas. > They are now all gone. > > The CCs need to update their links to the Texas Archives page instead > of individual files in the archives. > > > The new link to the census pages in question is: > > http://files.usgwarchives.net/tx/census/ > > > Everyone needs to ensure your links to the Archives pages are correct. > http://www.usgwarchives.net/tx/managers.htm > > > Dorman Holub: txarchives@mac.com > Texas Archives State File Manager: http://usgwarchives.net/tx/txfiles.htm > > > > On Apr 6, 2009, at 8:22 AM, Shirley Cullum wrote: > >> Dorman Holub is checking with Linda and/or Joy to find out more >> information for us. >> >> Shirley >> >> --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Vicki <wire@shaffer.com> wrote: >> >> >> From: Vicki <wire@shaffer.com> >> Subject: Re: [TXGEN] Fwd: [TXGW-NEWS] Files No Longer Available in >> the Archives >> To: txgen@rootsweb.com >> Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 8:19 AM >> >> >> It could be that a file manager forgot to move the census files to new >> server. But someone probably still has them on their computer and can >> replace. >> >> Vicki >> >> >> Shirley Cullum wrote: >>> Nan, >>> No, the files have been removed from the new Archives site >>> and includes many Census files from the 1800's. >>> >>> Shirley >>> >>> >>> --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Nan <nstarjak@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> From: Nan <nstarjak@gmail.com> >>> Subject: [TXGEN] Fwd: [TXGW-NEWS] Files No Longer Available in the >>> Archives >>> To: txgen@rootsweb.com >>> Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 8:04 AM >>> >>> >>> Shirley. >>> >>> Could these be links to the old archives files on rootsweb? Those >>> have been deleted (at long last), since everything should be on >>> www.usgwarchives.net since last year. >>> >>> There may have been some vital records deleted from the current site, >>> but I'm not aware of any wholesale deletions of other types of files. >>> >>> Nan >>> (who also works in the archives) >>> >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: <shirlcullum@sbcglobal.net> >>> Date: Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 11:50 PM >>> Subject: [TXGW-NEWS] Files No Longer Available in the Archives >>> To: "TXGW-NEWS-L@rootsweb.com" <TXGW-NEWS-L@rootsweb.com> >>> >>> Hi Everyone, >>> Tonight I found that many of the files in the Archives for >>> some >>> of our counties have been removed. The removed files include all >>> types >>> of records, births, deaths, cemeteries, biographies...and the list >>> goes on. >>> >>> I contacted a couple of Archives managers and they confirmed that >>> some >>> files have been removed. That leads me to be concerned that more >>> counties will be affected in the near future. >>> >>> Please check your links to individual files in the Archives for your >>> county to see if your county is affected. I would even suggest that >>> you link only to the county and state Archives rather than individual >>> files since they may be removed. >>> >>> Here are a couple of free programs for checking for dead links: >>> Xenu http://home.snafu.de/tilman/xenulink.html >>> And for those who would rather use a link checker that doesn't have >>> to >>> be downloaded, here is a link to Dead-Links.com >>> http://www.dead-links.com/ . >>> >>> Please let me know if I can help in any way. >>> >>> Shirley >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> TXGW-NEWS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com >>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >>> the body of the message >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com >>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >>> the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > -- Tammy Owen www.txgenweb5.org/txbastrop/bastrop.htm www.txgenweb2.org/txlee/lee.htm www.txgenweb6.org/txhemphill Selling Ebay items under the name of bastropcc - check me out

I have checked all four of my county sites at archives and the files seem to be there. Cheryl Check out the NEWEST ITEMS Check out my Bargains Galore at http://www.countrysister.net/bargainsgalore/index.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://countrysister.net http://shhstigers.com http://www.txgenweb2.org/txleon http://www.txgenweb2.org/txfreestone http://www.txgenweb2.org/txlimestone http://www.txgenweb2.org/txwalker ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elaine" <McStumped@suddenlink.net> Cc: <txgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 12:33 PM Subject: Re: [TXGEN] Files are in the Archives > Dorman, > > One example is Nueces County Archives. > http://www.usgwarchives.net/tx/nueces/nuetoc.htm > > Click on any census and all you get is 404 > > Click on Birth Records, Death Records, Marriage Records, Divorce Records > and all you get is 404 > > We were told they were removed due to identity theft. So we began > investigating and many files in many counties have been removed from the > archives. > > Elaine > > txarchives@mac.com wrote: >> Elaine, >> >> There was a discussion among the Archives FMs in 2008 concerning the >> unbelievable amounts of >> requests to be removed from people "googling" their names and finding >> marriage, birth and divorce >> records in the public domain. >> >> Some county FMs decided to remove the birth Vital Records because of >> the 75 year rule in the State >> of Texas. >> >> Its a sticky issue in my opinion. From my experience, I removed >> hundreds of names a week from those who have requested their names >> to be removed from the archives. I've been threatened with lawsuits, >> court cases, bodily harm, cussed, etc. >> >> Is there a specific county that you have reference? >> >> Dorman Holub: txarchives@mac.com >> Texas Archives State File Manager: http://usgwarchives.net/tx/txfiles.htm >> >> >> >> On Apr 6, 2009, at 10:58 AM, Elaine wrote: >> >>> Dorman, >>> >>> The problem is that the files that were linked to in RW are not in the >>> archives with USGenWeb now, and when we asked some of the archive >>> managers, we were told they were removed because of the possibility of >>> them being used for identity theft. We had always been told in the >>> past it was fine to link to individual files, but they were removed with >>> no warning......we just suddenly had a lot of broken links and have been >>> unable to find the files in the USGenWeb archives site to relink to. >>> Were we told correctly that files were removed and will no longer be in >>> the archives? >>> >>> Elaine >>> >>> txarchives@mac.com wrote: >>>> The Archives files that Shirley has a question about being removed are >>>> the old Rootsweb.Ancestry.com files in Texas. >>>> They are now all gone. >>>> >>>> The CCs need to update their links to the Texas Archives page instead >>>> of individual files in the archives. >>>> >>>> >>>> The new link to the census pages in question is: >>>> >>>> http://files.usgwarchives.net/tx/census/ >>>> >>>> >>>> Everyone needs to ensure your links to the Archives pages are correct. >>>> http://www.usgwarchives.net/tx/managers.htm >>>> >>>> >>>> Dorman Holub: txarchives@mac.com >>>> Texas Archives State File Manager: >>>> http://usgwarchives.net/tx/txfiles.htm >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Apr 6, 2009, at 8:22 AM, Shirley Cullum wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Dorman Holub is checking with Linda and/or Joy to find out more >>>>> information for us. >>>>> >>>>> Shirley >>>>> >>>>> --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Vicki <wire@shaffer.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: Vicki <wire@shaffer.com> >>>>> Subject: Re: [TXGEN] Fwd: [TXGW-NEWS] Files No Longer Available in >>>>> the Archives >>>>> To: txgen@rootsweb.com >>>>> Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 8:19 AM >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> It could be that a file manager forgot to move the census files to new >>>>> server. But someone probably still has them on their computer and can >>>>> replace. >>>>> >>>>> Vicki >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Shirley Cullum wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Nan, >>>>>> No, the files have been removed from the new Archives site >>>>>> and includes many Census files from the 1800's. >>>>>> >>>>>> Shirley >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Nan <nstarjak@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> From: Nan <nstarjak@gmail.com> >>>>>> Subject: [TXGEN] Fwd: [TXGW-NEWS] Files No Longer Available in the >>>>>> Archives >>>>>> To: txgen@rootsweb.com >>>>>> Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 8:04 AM >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Shirley. >>>>>> >>>>>> Could these be links to the old archives files on rootsweb? Those >>>>>> have been deleted (at long last), since everything should be on >>>>>> www.usgwarchives.net since last year. >>>>>> >>>>>> There may have been some vital records deleted from the current site, >>>>>> but I'm not aware of any wholesale deletions of other types of files. >>>>>> >>>>>> Nan >>>>>> (who also works in the archives) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>> From: <shirlcullum@sbcglobal.net> >>>>>> Date: Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 11:50 PM >>>>>> Subject: [TXGW-NEWS] Files No Longer Available in the Archives >>>>>> To: "TXGW-NEWS-L@rootsweb.com" <TXGW-NEWS-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Everyone, >>>>>> Tonight I found that many of the files in the Archives for >>>>>> some >>>>>> of our counties have been removed. The removed files include all >>>>>> types >>>>>> of records, births, deaths, cemeteries, biographies...and the list >>>>>> goes on. >>>>>> >>>>>> I contacted a couple of Archives managers and they confirmed that >>>>>> some >>>>>> files have been removed. That leads me to be concerned that more >>>>>> counties will be affected in the near future. >>>>>> >>>>>> Please check your links to individual files in the Archives for your >>>>>> county to see if your county is affected. I would even suggest that >>>>>> you link only to the county and state Archives rather than individual >>>>>> files since they may be removed. >>>>>> >>>>>> Here are a couple of free programs for checking for dead links: >>>>>> Xenu http://home.snafu.de/tilman/xenulink.html >>>>>> And for those who would rather use a link checker that doesn't have >>>>>> to >>>>>> be downloaded, here is a link to Dead-Links.com >>>>>> http://www.dead-links.com/ . >>>>>> >>>>>> Please let me know if I can help in any way. >>>>>> >>>>>> Shirley >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>> TXGW-NEWS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>>>> the >>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>> TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com >>>>>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >>>>>> the body of the message >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>> TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com >>>>>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >>>>>> the body of the message >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com >>>>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >>>>> the body of the message >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com >>>>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >>>>> the body of the message >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Whenever I feel that the world is moving too fast, I go to the Post >>> Office. >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > -- > Whenever I feel that the world is moving too fast, I go to the Post > Office. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. 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I removed most of the Texas Vital Record data less than 75 years old from the Bell County archives on Rootsweb and USGW several months ago, due to hassle with privacy complaints. However, I don't have dead links to them and a local copy is retained, should the time come when it is appropriate to put some or all of them back online. Joe

Elaine, I suspect the reason many of the "vitals" were removed is because the FM at that time was tired of the constant harassing of those wanting to be removed from the marriage, divorce and birth records. Typically, when people want things removed they don't understand that search engine caches don't move as fast as we do. The issue is identity theft. There is a certain genre of people that are wanting their names removed from any and all records. We allowed them that right when we stated on our records that if they wanted their names removed, it would be done. When you say "many files in many counties" are you referring to the Vital Records files? or are you referring to something else? Dorman Holub On Apr 6, 2009, at 12:33 PM, Elaine wrote: > Dorman, > > One example is Nueces County Archives. > http://www.usgwarchives.net/tx/nueces/nuetoc.htm > > Click on any census and all you get is 404 > > Click on Birth Records, Death Records, Marriage Records, Divorce > Records > and all you get is 404 > > We were told they were removed due to identity theft. So we began > investigating and many files in many counties have been removed from > the > archives. > > Elaine > > txarchives@mac.com wrote: >> Elaine, >> >> There was a discussion among the Archives FMs in 2008 concerning the >> unbelievable amounts of >> requests to be removed from people "googling" their names and finding >> marriage, birth and divorce >> records in the public domain. >> >> Some county FMs decided to remove the birth Vital Records because of >> the 75 year rule in the State >> of Texas. >> >> Its a sticky issue in my opinion. From my experience, I removed >> hundreds of names a week from those who have requested their names >> to be removed from the archives. I've been threatened with lawsuits, >> court cases, bodily harm, cussed, etc. >> >> Is there a specific county that you have reference? >> >> Dorman Holub: txarchives@mac.com >> Texas Archives State File Manager: http://usgwarchives.net/tx/txfiles.htm >> >> >> >> On Apr 6, 2009, at 10:58 AM, Elaine wrote: >> >>> Dorman, >>> >>> The problem is that the files that were linked to in RW are not in >>> the >>> archives with USGenWeb now, and when we asked some of the archive >>> managers, we were told they were removed because of the >>> possibility of >>> them being used for identity theft. We had always been told in the >>> past it was fine to link to individual files, but they were >>> removed with >>> no warning......we just suddenly had a lot of broken links and >>> have been >>> unable to find the files in the USGenWeb archives site to relink to. >>> Were we told correctly that files were removed and will no longer >>> be in >>> the archives? >>> >>> Elaine >>> >>> txarchives@mac.com wrote: >>>> The Archives files that Shirley has a question about being >>>> removed are >>>> the old Rootsweb.Ancestry.com files in Texas. >>>> They are now all gone. >>>> >>>> The CCs need to update their links to the Texas Archives page >>>> instead >>>> of individual files in the archives. >>>> >>>> >>>> The new link to the census pages in question is: >>>> >>>> http://files.usgwarchives.net/tx/census/ >>>> >>>> >>>> Everyone needs to ensure your links to the Archives pages are >>>> correct. >>>> http://www.usgwarchives.net/tx/managers.htm >>>> >>>> >>>> Dorman Holub: txarchives@mac.com >>>> Texas Archives State File Manager: >>>> http://usgwarchives.net/tx/txfiles.htm >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Apr 6, 2009, at 8:22 AM, Shirley Cullum wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Dorman Holub is checking with Linda and/or Joy to find out more >>>>> information for us. >>>>> >>>>> Shirley >>>>> >>>>> --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Vicki <wire@shaffer.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: Vicki <wire@shaffer.com> >>>>> Subject: Re: [TXGEN] Fwd: [TXGW-NEWS] Files No Longer Available in >>>>> the Archives >>>>> To: txgen@rootsweb.com >>>>> Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 8:19 AM >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> It could be that a file manager forgot to move the census files >>>>> to new >>>>> server. But someone probably still has them on their computer >>>>> and can >>>>> replace. >>>>> >>>>> Vicki >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Shirley Cullum wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Nan, >>>>>> No, the files have been removed from the new Archives site >>>>>> and includes many Census files from the 1800's. >>>>>> >>>>>> Shirley >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Nan <nstarjak@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> From: Nan <nstarjak@gmail.com> >>>>>> Subject: [TXGEN] Fwd: [TXGW-NEWS] Files No Longer Available in >>>>>> the >>>>>> Archives >>>>>> To: txgen@rootsweb.com >>>>>> Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 8:04 AM >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Shirley. >>>>>> >>>>>> Could these be links to the old archives files on rootsweb? >>>>>> Those >>>>>> have been deleted (at long last), since everything should be on >>>>>> www.usgwarchives.net since last year. >>>>>> >>>>>> There may have been some vital records deleted from the current >>>>>> site, >>>>>> but I'm not aware of any wholesale deletions of other types of >>>>>> files. >>>>>> >>>>>> Nan >>>>>> (who also works in the archives) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>> From: <shirlcullum@sbcglobal.net> >>>>>> Date: Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 11:50 PM >>>>>> Subject: [TXGW-NEWS] Files No Longer Available in the Archives >>>>>> To: "TXGW-NEWS-L@rootsweb.com" <TXGW-NEWS-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Everyone, >>>>>> Tonight I found that many of the files in the Archives for >>>>>> some >>>>>> of our counties have been removed. The removed files include all >>>>>> types >>>>>> of records, births, deaths, cemeteries, biographies...and the >>>>>> list >>>>>> goes on. >>>>>> >>>>>> I contacted a couple of Archives managers and they confirmed that >>>>>> some >>>>>> files have been removed. That leads me to be concerned that more >>>>>> counties will be affected in the near future. >>>>>> >>>>>> Please check your links to individual files in the Archives for >>>>>> your >>>>>> county to see if your county is affected. I would even suggest >>>>>> that >>>>>> you link only to the county and state Archives rather than >>>>>> individual >>>>>> files since they may be removed. >>>>>> >>>>>> Here are a couple of free programs for checking for dead links: >>>>>> Xenu http://home.snafu.de/tilman/xenulink.html >>>>>> And for those who would rather use a link checker that doesn't >>>>>> have >>>>>> to >>>>>> be downloaded, here is a link to Dead-Links.com >>>>>> http://www.dead-links.com/ . >>>>>> >>>>>> Please let me know if I can help in any way. >>>>>> >>>>>> Shirley >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>> TXGW-NEWS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>>>> without >>>>>> the >>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>> TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com >>>>>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >>>>>> the body of the message >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>> TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com >>>>>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >>>>>> the body of the message >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com >>>>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >>>>> the body of the message >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com >>>>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >>>>> the body of the message >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Whenever I feel that the world is moving too fast, I go to the Post >>> Office. >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > -- > Whenever I feel that the world is moving too fast, I go to the Post > Office. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

I felt the same way, Billie. Besides, if the websites are only links, they aren't as useful to the researchers.   Shirley --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Billie Nichols Bennett <nichols1836@windstream.net> wrote: From: Billie Nichols Bennett <nichols1836@windstream.net> Subject: Re: [TXGEN] Files No Longer Available in the Archives - I don't link to anything there except the index page for my counties To: txgen@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 2:40 PM I don't link to individual files on the archives... I only link to the index page for the county archive page on my county websites.  I decided I didn't want to be accountable for what someone else did or did not do on the archive page.  The visitor can go there and look around for themselves.... Billie Nichols Bennett   ----- Original Message -----   From: Elaine   To: txgen@rootsweb.com   Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 2:32 PM   Subject: Re: [TXGEN] Fwd: [TXGW-NEWS] Files No Longer Available inthe Archives   The correct url should be .net   They originally moved from RootsWeb   with the.org URL, then changed it to .net.  The .org files are still   there, but not added to or updated last I was told.  Dorman can probably   give you better info on that than I can.   Elaine   Deb wrote:   > Question:   > I noticed that in another email below, the CC gave the address as www.usgwarchives.net for the USGenWeb Archives pg. Is that correct, or is supposed to be www.usgwarchives.org/ ... in other words is "net" or, "org" on the end of address?? They both take you to same place ..... clarification please, anyone?   >   >   >   > --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Nan <nstarjak@gmail.com> wrote:   >   > From: Nan <nstarjak@gmail.com>   > Subject: [TXGEN] Fwd: [TXGW-NEWS] Files No Longer Available in the Archives   > To: txgen@rootsweb.com   > Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 8:04 AM   >   > Shirley.   >   > Could these be links to the old archives files on rootsweb?  Those   > have been deleted (at long last), since everything should be on   > www.usgwarchives.net since last year.   >   > There may have been some vital records deleted from the current site,   > but I'm not aware of any wholesale deletions of other types of files.   >   > Nan   > (who also works in the archives)   >   >   > ---------- Forwarded message ----------   > From:  <shirlcullum@sbcglobal.net>   > Date: Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 11:50 PM   > Subject: [TXGW-NEWS] Files No Longer Available in the Archives   > To: "TXGW-NEWS-L@rootsweb.com" <TXGW-NEWS-L@rootsweb.com>   >   >   >    > -------------------------------   > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message   >   >      --   Whenever I feel that the world is moving too fast, I go to the Post Office.       -------------------------------   To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm sure the census and cemetery files removed were an error............could be they accidentally didn't get transferred over to the new server??? Someone must still have them on their computer. Dorman???? Vicki Elaine wrote: > And why remove census records from the 1800's? Identity theft doesn't > make sense for everything that has been removed. > > And you can go to any cemetery and get a name, birth date, death date, > and many times birth place, the names of their parents, siblings, & > children from one headstone. Are we going to put up 6 foot walls with > barb wire around the top of cemeteries to stop identity theft? I agree > we should protect the living, but give me a break.......census records > from the 1800's? > > Elaine > > Sue Tackel wrote: > >> We have come up against that Identity Theft problem here in Wise County. >> (Should be public information after - 75 years for Birth Records, and 25 >> years for Death Records) - (See text and link below for TX Public >> Information Act) >> What about births and obituaries in the local papers. ????? >> Sue >> >> Text of the Texas Public Information Act >> http://www.oag.state.tx.us/AG_Publications/txts/2004publicinfohb_3_01.shtml >> § 552.115. Exception: Birth and Death Records >> (a) A birth or death record maintained by the bureau of vital statistics of >> the Texas Department of Health or a local registration official is excepted >> from the requirements of Section 552.021, except that: >> (1) a birth record is public information and available to the public on and >> after the 75th anniversary of the date of birth as shown on the record filed >> with the bureau of vital statistics or local registration official; >> (2) a death record is public information and available to the public on and >> after the 25th anniversary of the date of death as shown on the record filed >> with the bureau of vital statistics or local registration official; >> (3) a general birth index or a general death index established or maintained >> by the bureau of vital statistics or a local registration official is public >> information and available to the public to the extent the index relates to a >> birth record or death record that is public information and available to the >> public under Subdivision (1) or (2); >> (4) a summary birth index or a summary death index prepared or maintained by >> the bureau of vital statistics or a local registration official is public >> information and available to the public; and >> (5) a birth or death record is available to the chief executive officer of a >> home-rule municipality or the officer's designee if: >> (A) the record is used only to identify a property owner or other person to >> whom the municipality is required to give notice when enforcing a state >> statute or an ordinance; >> (B) the municipality has exercised due diligence in the manner described by >> Section 54.035(e), Local Government Code, to identify the person; and >> (C) the officer or designee signs a confidentiality agreement that requires >> that: >> (i) the information not be disclosed outside the office of the officer or >> designee, or within the office for a purpose other than the purpose >> described by Paragraph (A); >> (ii) the information be labeled as confidential; >> (iii) the information be kept securely; and >> (iv) the number of copies made of the information or the notes taken from >> the information that implicate the confidential nature of the information be >> controlled, with all copies or notes that are not destroyed or returned >> remaining confidential and subject to the confidentiality agreement. >> (b) Notwithstanding Subsection (a), a general birth index or a summary birth >> index is not public information and is not available to the public if: >> (1) the fact of an adoption or paternity determination can be revealed by >> the index; or >> (2) the index contains specific identifying information relating to the >> parents of a child who is the subject of an adoption placement. >> (c) Subsection (a)(1) does not apply to the microfilming agreement entered >> into by the Genealogical Society of Utah, a nonprofit corporation organized >> under the laws of the State of Utah, and the Archives and Information >> Services Division of the Texas State Library and Archives Commission. >> (d) For the purposes of fulfilling the terms of the agreement in Subsection >> (c), the Genealogical Society of Utah shall have access to birth records on >> and after the 50th anniversary of the date of birth as shown on the record >> filed with the bureau of vital statistics or local registration official, >> but such birth records shall not be made available to the public until the >> 75th anniversary of the date of birth as shown on the record. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Shirley Cullum" <shirlcullum@sbcglobal.net> >> To: <txgen@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 11:20 AM >> Subject: Re: [TXGEN] Files are in the Archives >> >> >> Dorman, >> Some birth, death, and census files are gone from some county Archives at >> the new Archives site. I was told this was due to identity theft issues by >> the county file manager. >> >> Shirley >> >> --- On Mon, 4/6/09, txarchives@mac.com <txarchives@mac.com> wrote: >> >> >> From: txarchives@mac.com <txarchives@mac.com> >> Subject: [TXGEN] Files are in the Archives >> To: txgen@rootsweb.com >> Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 9:44 AM >> >> >> The Archives files that Shirley has a question about being removed are >> the old Rootsweb.Ancestry.com files in Texas. >> They are now all gone. >> >> The CCs need to update their links to the Texas Archives page instead >> of individual files in the archives. >> >> >> The new link to the census pages in question is: >> >> http://files.usgwarchives.net/tx/census/ >> >> >> Everyone needs to ensure your links to the Archives pages are correct. >> http://www.usgwarchives.net/tx/managers.htm >> >> >> Dorman Holub: txarchives@mac.com >> Texas Archives State File Manager: http://usgwarchives.net/tx/txfiles.htm >> >> >> >> On Apr 6, 2009, at 8:22 AM, Shirley Cullum wrote: >> >> >> >>> Dorman Holub is checking with Linda and/or Joy to find out more >>> information for us. >>> >>> Shirley >>> >>> --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Vicki <wire@shaffer.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> From: Vicki <wire@shaffer.com> >>> Subject: Re: [TXGEN] Fwd: [TXGW-NEWS] Files No Longer Available in >>> the Archives >>> To: txgen@rootsweb.com >>> Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 8:19 AM >>> >>> >>> It could be that a file manager forgot to move the census files to new >>> server. But someone probably still has them on their computer and can >>> replace. >>> >>> Vicki >>> >>> >>> Shirley Cullum wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Nan, >>>> No, the files have been removed from the new Archives site >>>> and includes many Census files from the 1800's. >>>> >>>> Shirley >>>> >>>> >>>> --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Nan <nstarjak@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Nan <nstarjak@gmail.com> >>>> Subject: [TXGEN] Fwd: [TXGW-NEWS] Files No Longer Available in the >>>> Archives >>>> To: txgen@rootsweb.com >>>> Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 8:04 AM >>>> >>>> >>>> Shirley. >>>> >>>> Could these be links to the old archives files on rootsweb? Those >>>> have been deleted (at long last), since everything should be on >>>> www.usgwarchives.net since last year. >>>> >>>> There may have been some vital records deleted from the current site, >>>> but I'm not aware of any wholesale deletions of other types of files. >>>> >>>> Nan >>>> (who also works in the archives) >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>> From: <shirlcullum@sbcglobal.net> >>>> Date: Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 11:50 PM >>>> Subject: [TXGW-NEWS] Files No Longer Available in the Archives >>>> To: "TXGW-NEWS-L@rootsweb.com" <TXGW-NEWS-L@rootsweb.com> >>>> >>>> Hi Everyone, >>>> Tonight I found that many of the files in the Archives for >>>> some >>>> of our counties have been removed. The removed files include all >>>> types >>>> of records, births, deaths, cemeteries, biographies...and the list >>>> goes on. >>>> >>>> I contacted a couple of Archives managers and they confirmed that >>>> some >>>> files have been removed. That leads me to be concerned that more >>>> counties will be affected in the near future. >>>> >>>> Please check your links to individual files in the Archives for your >>>> county to see if your county is affected. I would even suggest that >>>> you link only to the county and state Archives rather than individual >>>> files since they may be removed. >>>> >>>> Here are a couple of free programs for checking for dead links: >>>> Xenu http://home.snafu.de/tilman/xenulink.html >>>> And for those who would rather use a link checker that doesn't have >>>> to >>>> be downloaded, here is a link to Dead-Links.com >>>> http://www.dead-links.com/ . >>>> >>>> Please let me know if I can help in any way. >>>> >>>> Shirley >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> TXGW-NEWS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>> the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com >>>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >>>> the body of the message >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com >>>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >>>> the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com >>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >>> the body of the message >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com >>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >>> the body of the message >>> >>> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in >> the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in >> the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > >

OK, gotcha' ... now, again just for sake of clarity ... how about our logos - they are still  http://usgenweb.org/ , aren't they? --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Elaine <McStumped@suddenlink.net> wrote: From: Elaine <McStumped@suddenlink.net> Subject: Re: [TXGEN] Fwd: [TXGW-NEWS] Files No Longer Available in the Archives To: txgen@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 2:32 PM The correct url should be .net   They originally moved from RootsWeb with the.org URL, then changed it to .net.  The .org files are still there, but not added to or updated last I was told.  Dorman can probably give you better info on that than I can. Elaine Deb wrote: > Question: > I noticed that in another email below, the CC gave the address as www.usgwarchives.net for the USGenWeb Archives pg. Is that correct, or is supposed to be www.usgwarchives.org/ ... in other words is "net" or, "org" on the end of address?? They both take you to same place ..... clarification please, anyone? > > > > --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Nan <nstarjak@gmail.com> wrote: > > From: Nan <nstarjak@gmail.com> > Subject: [TXGEN] Fwd: [TXGW-NEWS] Files No Longer Available in the Archives > To: txgen@rootsweb.com > Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 8:04 AM > > Shirley. > > Could these be links to the old archives files on rootsweb?  Those > have been deleted (at long last), since everything should be on > www.usgwarchives.net since last year. > > There may have been some vital records deleted from the current site, > but I'm not aware of any wholesale deletions of other types of files. > > Nan > (who also works in the archives) > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From:  <shirlcullum@sbcglobal.net> > Date: Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 11:50 PM > Subject: [TXGW-NEWS] Files No Longer Available in the Archives > To: "TXGW-NEWS-L@rootsweb.com" <TXGW-NEWS-L@rootsweb.com> > > >  > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >    -- Whenever I feel that the world is moving too fast, I go to the Post Office. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

And why remove census records from the 1800's? Identity theft doesn't make sense for everything that has been removed. And you can go to any cemetery and get a name, birth date, death date, and many times birth place, the names of their parents, siblings, & children from one headstone. Are we going to put up 6 foot walls with barb wire around the top of cemeteries to stop identity theft? I agree we should protect the living, but give me a break.......census records from the 1800's? Elaine Sue Tackel wrote: > We have come up against that Identity Theft problem here in Wise County. > (Should be public information after - 75 years for Birth Records, and 25 > years for Death Records) - (See text and link below for TX Public > Information Act) > What about births and obituaries in the local papers. ????? > Sue > > Text of the Texas Public Information Act > http://www.oag.state.tx.us/AG_Publications/txts/2004publicinfohb_3_01.shtml > § 552.115. Exception: Birth and Death Records > (a) A birth or death record maintained by the bureau of vital statistics of > the Texas Department of Health or a local registration official is excepted > from the requirements of Section 552.021, except that: > (1) a birth record is public information and available to the public on and > after the 75th anniversary of the date of birth as shown on the record filed > with the bureau of vital statistics or local registration official; > (2) a death record is public information and available to the public on and > after the 25th anniversary of the date of death as shown on the record filed > with the bureau of vital statistics or local registration official; > (3) a general birth index or a general death index established or maintained > by the bureau of vital statistics or a local registration official is public > information and available to the public to the extent the index relates to a > birth record or death record that is public information and available to the > public under Subdivision (1) or (2); > (4) a summary birth index or a summary death index prepared or maintained by > the bureau of vital statistics or a local registration official is public > information and available to the public; and > (5) a birth or death record is available to the chief executive officer of a > home-rule municipality or the officer's designee if: > (A) the record is used only to identify a property owner or other person to > whom the municipality is required to give notice when enforcing a state > statute or an ordinance; > (B) the municipality has exercised due diligence in the manner described by > Section 54.035(e), Local Government Code, to identify the person; and > (C) the officer or designee signs a confidentiality agreement that requires > that: > (i) the information not be disclosed outside the office of the officer or > designee, or within the office for a purpose other than the purpose > described by Paragraph (A); > (ii) the information be labeled as confidential; > (iii) the information be kept securely; and > (iv) the number of copies made of the information or the notes taken from > the information that implicate the confidential nature of the information be > controlled, with all copies or notes that are not destroyed or returned > remaining confidential and subject to the confidentiality agreement. > (b) Notwithstanding Subsection (a), a general birth index or a summary birth > index is not public information and is not available to the public if: > (1) the fact of an adoption or paternity determination can be revealed by > the index; or > (2) the index contains specific identifying information relating to the > parents of a child who is the subject of an adoption placement. > (c) Subsection (a)(1) does not apply to the microfilming agreement entered > into by the Genealogical Society of Utah, a nonprofit corporation organized > under the laws of the State of Utah, and the Archives and Information > Services Division of the Texas State Library and Archives Commission. > (d) For the purposes of fulfilling the terms of the agreement in Subsection > (c), the Genealogical Society of Utah shall have access to birth records on > and after the 50th anniversary of the date of birth as shown on the record > filed with the bureau of vital statistics or local registration official, > but such birth records shall not be made available to the public until the > 75th anniversary of the date of birth as shown on the record. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Shirley Cullum" <shirlcullum@sbcglobal.net> > To: <txgen@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 11:20 AM > Subject: Re: [TXGEN] Files are in the Archives > > > Dorman, > Some birth, death, and census files are gone from some county Archives at > the new Archives site. I was told this was due to identity theft issues by > the county file manager. > > Shirley > > --- On Mon, 4/6/09, txarchives@mac.com <txarchives@mac.com> wrote: > > > From: txarchives@mac.com <txarchives@mac.com> > Subject: [TXGEN] Files are in the Archives > To: txgen@rootsweb.com > Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 9:44 AM > > > The Archives files that Shirley has a question about being removed are > the old Rootsweb.Ancestry.com files in Texas. > They are now all gone. > > The CCs need to update their links to the Texas Archives page instead > of individual files in the archives. > > > The new link to the census pages in question is: > > http://files.usgwarchives.net/tx/census/ > > > Everyone needs to ensure your links to the Archives pages are correct. > http://www.usgwarchives.net/tx/managers.htm > > > Dorman Holub: txarchives@mac.com > Texas Archives State File Manager: http://usgwarchives.net/tx/txfiles.htm > > > > On Apr 6, 2009, at 8:22 AM, Shirley Cullum wrote: > > >> Dorman Holub is checking with Linda and/or Joy to find out more >> information for us. >> >> Shirley >> >> --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Vicki <wire@shaffer.com> wrote: >> >> >> From: Vicki <wire@shaffer.com> >> Subject: Re: [TXGEN] Fwd: [TXGW-NEWS] Files No Longer Available in >> the Archives >> To: txgen@rootsweb.com >> Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 8:19 AM >> >> >> It could be that a file manager forgot to move the census files to new >> server. But someone probably still has them on their computer and can >> replace. >> >> Vicki >> >> >> Shirley Cullum wrote: >> >>> Nan, >>> No, the files have been removed from the new Archives site >>> and includes many Census files from the 1800's. >>> >>> Shirley >>> >>> >>> --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Nan <nstarjak@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> From: Nan <nstarjak@gmail.com> >>> Subject: [TXGEN] Fwd: [TXGW-NEWS] Files No Longer Available in the >>> Archives >>> To: txgen@rootsweb.com >>> Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 8:04 AM >>> >>> >>> Shirley. >>> >>> Could these be links to the old archives files on rootsweb? Those >>> have been deleted (at long last), since everything should be on >>> www.usgwarchives.net since last year. >>> >>> There may have been some vital records deleted from the current site, >>> but I'm not aware of any wholesale deletions of other types of files. >>> >>> Nan >>> (who also works in the archives) >>> >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: <shirlcullum@sbcglobal.net> >>> Date: Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 11:50 PM >>> Subject: [TXGW-NEWS] Files No Longer Available in the Archives >>> To: "TXGW-NEWS-L@rootsweb.com" <TXGW-NEWS-L@rootsweb.com> >>> >>> Hi Everyone, >>> Tonight I found that many of the files in the Archives for >>> some >>> of our counties have been removed. The removed files include all >>> types >>> of records, births, deaths, cemeteries, biographies...and the list >>> goes on. >>> >>> I contacted a couple of Archives managers and they confirmed that >>> some >>> files have been removed. That leads me to be concerned that more >>> counties will be affected in the near future. >>> >>> Please check your links to individual files in the Archives for your >>> county to see if your county is affected. I would even suggest that >>> you link only to the county and state Archives rather than individual >>> files since they may be removed. >>> >>> Here are a couple of free programs for checking for dead links: >>> Xenu http://home.snafu.de/tilman/xenulink.html >>> And for those who would rather use a link checker that doesn't have >>> to >>> be downloaded, here is a link to Dead-Links.com >>> http://www.dead-links.com/ . >>> >>> Please let me know if I can help in any way. >>> >>> Shirley >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> TXGW-NEWS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com >>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >>> the body of the message >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com >>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >>> the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- Whenever I feel that the world is moving too fast, I go to the Post Office.

Dorman, One example is Nueces County Archives. http://www.usgwarchives.net/tx/nueces/nuetoc.htm Click on any census and all you get is 404 Click on Birth Records, Death Records, Marriage Records, Divorce Records and all you get is 404 We were told they were removed due to identity theft. So we began investigating and many files in many counties have been removed from the archives. Elaine txarchives@mac.com wrote: > Elaine, > > There was a discussion among the Archives FMs in 2008 concerning the > unbelievable amounts of > requests to be removed from people "googling" their names and finding > marriage, birth and divorce > records in the public domain. > > Some county FMs decided to remove the birth Vital Records because of > the 75 year rule in the State > of Texas. > > Its a sticky issue in my opinion. From my experience, I removed > hundreds of names a week from those who have requested their names > to be removed from the archives. I've been threatened with lawsuits, > court cases, bodily harm, cussed, etc. > > Is there a specific county that you have reference? > > Dorman Holub: txarchives@mac.com > Texas Archives State File Manager: http://usgwarchives.net/tx/txfiles.htm > > > > On Apr 6, 2009, at 10:58 AM, Elaine wrote: > >> Dorman, >> >> The problem is that the files that were linked to in RW are not in the >> archives with USGenWeb now, and when we asked some of the archive >> managers, we were told they were removed because of the possibility of >> them being used for identity theft. We had always been told in the >> past it was fine to link to individual files, but they were removed with >> no warning......we just suddenly had a lot of broken links and have been >> unable to find the files in the USGenWeb archives site to relink to. >> Were we told correctly that files were removed and will no longer be in >> the archives? >> >> Elaine >> >> txarchives@mac.com wrote: >>> The Archives files that Shirley has a question about being removed are >>> the old Rootsweb.Ancestry.com files in Texas. >>> They are now all gone. >>> >>> The CCs need to update their links to the Texas Archives page instead >>> of individual files in the archives. >>> >>> >>> The new link to the census pages in question is: >>> >>> http://files.usgwarchives.net/tx/census/ >>> >>> >>> Everyone needs to ensure your links to the Archives pages are correct. >>> http://www.usgwarchives.net/tx/managers.htm >>> >>> >>> Dorman Holub: txarchives@mac.com >>> Texas Archives State File Manager: >>> http://usgwarchives.net/tx/txfiles.htm >>> >>> >>> >>> On Apr 6, 2009, at 8:22 AM, Shirley Cullum wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Dorman Holub is checking with Linda and/or Joy to find out more >>>> information for us. >>>> >>>> Shirley >>>> >>>> --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Vicki <wire@shaffer.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Vicki <wire@shaffer.com> >>>> Subject: Re: [TXGEN] Fwd: [TXGW-NEWS] Files No Longer Available in >>>> the Archives >>>> To: txgen@rootsweb.com >>>> Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 8:19 AM >>>> >>>> >>>> It could be that a file manager forgot to move the census files to new >>>> server. But someone probably still has them on their computer and can >>>> replace. >>>> >>>> Vicki >>>> >>>> >>>> Shirley Cullum wrote: >>>> >>>>> Nan, >>>>> No, the files have been removed from the new Archives site >>>>> and includes many Census files from the 1800's. >>>>> >>>>> Shirley >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Nan <nstarjak@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: Nan <nstarjak@gmail.com> >>>>> Subject: [TXGEN] Fwd: [TXGW-NEWS] Files No Longer Available in the >>>>> Archives >>>>> To: txgen@rootsweb.com >>>>> Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 8:04 AM >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Shirley. >>>>> >>>>> Could these be links to the old archives files on rootsweb? Those >>>>> have been deleted (at long last), since everything should be on >>>>> www.usgwarchives.net since last year. >>>>> >>>>> There may have been some vital records deleted from the current site, >>>>> but I'm not aware of any wholesale deletions of other types of files. >>>>> >>>>> Nan >>>>> (who also works in the archives) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>> From: <shirlcullum@sbcglobal.net> >>>>> Date: Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 11:50 PM >>>>> Subject: [TXGW-NEWS] Files No Longer Available in the Archives >>>>> To: "TXGW-NEWS-L@rootsweb.com" <TXGW-NEWS-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>> >>>>> Hi Everyone, >>>>> Tonight I found that many of the files in the Archives for >>>>> some >>>>> of our counties have been removed. The removed files include all >>>>> types >>>>> of records, births, deaths, cemeteries, biographies...and the list >>>>> goes on. >>>>> >>>>> I contacted a couple of Archives managers and they confirmed that >>>>> some >>>>> files have been removed. That leads me to be concerned that more >>>>> counties will be affected in the near future. >>>>> >>>>> Please check your links to individual files in the Archives for your >>>>> county to see if your county is affected. I would even suggest that >>>>> you link only to the county and state Archives rather than individual >>>>> files since they may be removed. >>>>> >>>>> Here are a couple of free programs for checking for dead links: >>>>> Xenu http://home.snafu.de/tilman/xenulink.html >>>>> And for those who would rather use a link checker that doesn't have >>>>> to >>>>> be downloaded, here is a link to Dead-Links.com >>>>> http://www.dead-links.com/ . >>>>> >>>>> Please let me know if I can help in any way. >>>>> >>>>> Shirley >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> TXGW-NEWS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>>> the >>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com >>>>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >>>>> the body of the message >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com >>>>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >>>>> the body of the message >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com >>>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >>>> the body of the message >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com >>>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >>>> the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Whenever I feel that the world is moving too fast, I go to the Post >> Office. >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- Whenever I feel that the world is moving too fast, I go to the Post Office.

We have come up against that Identity Theft problem here in Wise County. (Should be public information after - 75 years for Birth Records, and 25 years for Death Records) - (See text and link below for TX Public Information Act) What about births and obituaries in the local papers. ????? Sue Text of the Texas Public Information Act http://www.oag.state.tx.us/AG_Publications/txts/2004publicinfohb_3_01.shtml § 552.115. Exception: Birth and Death Records (a) A birth or death record maintained by the bureau of vital statistics of the Texas Department of Health or a local registration official is excepted from the requirements of Section 552.021, except that: (1) a birth record is public information and available to the public on and after the 75th anniversary of the date of birth as shown on the record filed with the bureau of vital statistics or local registration official; (2) a death record is public information and available to the public on and after the 25th anniversary of the date of death as shown on the record filed with the bureau of vital statistics or local registration official; (3) a general birth index or a general death index established or maintained by the bureau of vital statistics or a local registration official is public information and available to the public to the extent the index relates to a birth record or death record that is public information and available to the public under Subdivision (1) or (2); (4) a summary birth index or a summary death index prepared or maintained by the bureau of vital statistics or a local registration official is public information and available to the public; and (5) a birth or death record is available to the chief executive officer of a home-rule municipality or the officer's designee if: (A) the record is used only to identify a property owner or other person to whom the municipality is required to give notice when enforcing a state statute or an ordinance; (B) the municipality has exercised due diligence in the manner described by Section 54.035(e), Local Government Code, to identify the person; and (C) the officer or designee signs a confidentiality agreement that requires that: (i) the information not be disclosed outside the office of the officer or designee, or within the office for a purpose other than the purpose described by Paragraph (A); (ii) the information be labeled as confidential; (iii) the information be kept securely; and (iv) the number of copies made of the information or the notes taken from the information that implicate the confidential nature of the information be controlled, with all copies or notes that are not destroyed or returned remaining confidential and subject to the confidentiality agreement. (b) Notwithstanding Subsection (a), a general birth index or a summary birth index is not public information and is not available to the public if: (1) the fact of an adoption or paternity determination can be revealed by the index; or (2) the index contains specific identifying information relating to the parents of a child who is the subject of an adoption placement. (c) Subsection (a)(1) does not apply to the microfilming agreement entered into by the Genealogical Society of Utah, a nonprofit corporation organized under the laws of the State of Utah, and the Archives and Information Services Division of the Texas State Library and Archives Commission. (d) For the purposes of fulfilling the terms of the agreement in Subsection (c), the Genealogical Society of Utah shall have access to birth records on and after the 50th anniversary of the date of birth as shown on the record filed with the bureau of vital statistics or local registration official, but such birth records shall not be made available to the public until the 75th anniversary of the date of birth as shown on the record. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shirley Cullum" <shirlcullum@sbcglobal.net> To: <txgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [TXGEN] Files are in the Archives Dorman, Some birth, death, and census files are gone from some county Archives at the new Archives site. I was told this was due to identity theft issues by the county file manager. Shirley --- On Mon, 4/6/09, txarchives@mac.com <txarchives@mac.com> wrote: From: txarchives@mac.com <txarchives@mac.com> Subject: [TXGEN] Files are in the Archives To: txgen@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 9:44 AM The Archives files that Shirley has a question about being removed are the old Rootsweb.Ancestry.com files in Texas. They are now all gone. The CCs need to update their links to the Texas Archives page instead of individual files in the archives. The new link to the census pages in question is: http://files.usgwarchives.net/tx/census/ Everyone needs to ensure your links to the Archives pages are correct. http://www.usgwarchives.net/tx/managers.htm Dorman Holub: txarchives@mac.com Texas Archives State File Manager: http://usgwarchives.net/tx/txfiles.htm On Apr 6, 2009, at 8:22 AM, Shirley Cullum wrote: > Dorman Holub is checking with Linda and/or Joy to find out more > information for us. > > Shirley > > --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Vicki <wire@shaffer.com> wrote: > > > From: Vicki <wire@shaffer.com> > Subject: Re: [TXGEN] Fwd: [TXGW-NEWS] Files No Longer Available in > the Archives > To: txgen@rootsweb.com > Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 8:19 AM > > > It could be that a file manager forgot to move the census files to new > server. But someone probably still has them on their computer and can > replace. > > Vicki > > > Shirley Cullum wrote: >> Nan, >> No, the files have been removed from the new Archives site >> and includes many Census files from the 1800's. >> >> Shirley >> >> >> --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Nan <nstarjak@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> From: Nan <nstarjak@gmail.com> >> Subject: [TXGEN] Fwd: [TXGW-NEWS] Files No Longer Available in the >> Archives >> To: txgen@rootsweb.com >> Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 8:04 AM >> >> >> Shirley. >> >> Could these be links to the old archives files on rootsweb? Those >> have been deleted (at long last), since everything should be on >> www.usgwarchives.net since last year. >> >> There may have been some vital records deleted from the current site, >> but I'm not aware of any wholesale deletions of other types of files. >> >> Nan >> (who also works in the archives) >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: <shirlcullum@sbcglobal.net> >> Date: Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 11:50 PM >> Subject: [TXGW-NEWS] Files No Longer Available in the Archives >> To: "TXGW-NEWS-L@rootsweb.com" <TXGW-NEWS-L@rootsweb.com> >> >> Hi Everyone, >> Tonight I found that many of the files in the Archives for >> some >> of our counties have been removed. The removed files include all >> types >> of records, births, deaths, cemeteries, biographies...and the list >> goes on. >> >> I contacted a couple of Archives managers and they confirmed that >> some >> files have been removed. That leads me to be concerned that more >> counties will be affected in the near future. >> >> Please check your links to individual files in the Archives for your >> county to see if your county is affected. I would even suggest that >> you link only to the county and state Archives rather than individual >> files since they may be removed. >> >> Here are a couple of free programs for checking for dead links: >> Xenu http://home.snafu.de/tilman/xenulink.html >> And for those who would rather use a link checker that doesn't have >> to >> be downloaded, here is a link to Dead-Links.com >> http://www.dead-links.com/ . >> >> Please let me know if I can help in any way. >> >> Shirley >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> TXGW-NEWS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message >> >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Shirley, That is correct. That and the constant threat of lawsuits and hate-mongering. Last week, I removed 250 names from files from those who requested their names to be removed That was a slow week. Dorman Holub: txarchives@mac.com Texas Archives State File Manager: http://usgwarchives.net/tx/txfiles.htm On Apr 6, 2009, at 11:20 AM, Shirley Cullum wrote: > Dorman, > Some birth, death, and census files are gone from some county > Archives at the new Archives site. I was told this was due to > identity theft issues by the county file manager. > > Shirley > > --- On Mon, 4/6/09, txarchives@mac.com <txarchives@mac.com> wrote: > > > From: txarchives@mac.com <txarchives@mac.com> > Subject: [TXGEN] Files are in the Archives > To: txgen@rootsweb.com > Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 9:44 AM > > > The Archives files that Shirley has a question about being removed are > the old Rootsweb.Ancestry.com files in Texas. > They are now all gone. > > The CCs need to update their links to the Texas Archives page instead > of individual files in the archives. > > > The new link to the census pages in question is: > > http://files.usgwarchives.net/tx/census/ > > > Everyone needs to ensure your links to the Archives pages are correct. > http://www.usgwarchives.net/tx/managers.htm > > > Dorman Holub: txarchives@mac.com > Texas Archives State File Manager: http://usgwarchives.net/tx/txfiles.htm > > > > On Apr 6, 2009, at 8:22 AM, Shirley Cullum wrote: > >> Dorman Holub is checking with Linda and/or Joy to find out more >> information for us. >> >> Shirley >> >> --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Vicki <wire@shaffer.com> wrote: >> >> >> From: Vicki <wire@shaffer.com> >> Subject: Re: [TXGEN] Fwd: [TXGW-NEWS] Files No Longer Available in >> the Archives >> To: txgen@rootsweb.com >> Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 8:19 AM >> >> >> It could be that a file manager forgot to move the census files to >> new >> server. But someone probably still has them on their computer and >> can >> replace. >> >> Vicki >> >> >> Shirley Cullum wrote: >>> Nan, >>> No, the files have been removed from the new Archives site >>> and includes many Census files from the 1800's. >>> >>> Shirley >>> >>> >>> --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Nan <nstarjak@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> From: Nan <nstarjak@gmail.com> >>> Subject: [TXGEN] Fwd: [TXGW-NEWS] Files No Longer Available in the >>> Archives >>> To: txgen@rootsweb.com >>> Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 8:04 AM >>> >>> >>> Shirley. >>> >>> Could these be links to the old archives files on rootsweb? Those >>> have been deleted (at long last), since everything should be on >>> www.usgwarchives.net since last year. >>> >>> There may have been some vital records deleted from the current >>> site, >>> but I'm not aware of any wholesale deletions of other types of >>> files. >>> >>> Nan >>> (who also works in the archives) >>> >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: <shirlcullum@sbcglobal.net> >>> Date: Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 11:50 PM >>> Subject: [TXGW-NEWS] Files No Longer Available in the Archives >>> To: "TXGW-NEWS-L@rootsweb.com" <TXGW-NEWS-L@rootsweb.com> >>> >>> Hi Everyone, >>> Tonight I found that many of the files in the Archives for >>> some >>> of our counties have been removed. The removed files include all >>> types >>> of records, births, deaths, cemeteries, biographies...and the list >>> goes on. >>> >>> I contacted a couple of Archives managers and they confirmed that >>> some >>> files have been removed. That leads me to be concerned that more >>> counties will be affected in the near future. >>> >>> Please check your links to individual files in the Archives for your >>> county to see if your county is affected. I would even suggest that >>> you link only to the county and state Archives rather than >>> individual >>> files since they may be removed. >>> >>> Here are a couple of free programs for checking for dead links: >>> Xenu http://home.snafu.de/tilman/xenulink.html >>> And for those who would rather use a link checker that doesn't have >>> to >>> be downloaded, here is a link to Dead-Links.com >>> http://www.dead-links.com/ . >>> >>> Please let me know if I can help in any way. >>> >>> Shirley >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> TXGW-NEWS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com >>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >>> the body of the message >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com >>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >>> the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

www.usgwarchives.net   The archives were moved to the .net site about June of last year.  The .org site is used as a mirror (backup) site only.   Jo Deaf Smith Co., TX CT, LA State File Manager (Archives) === Chahta Ohoyo Holahta, Honorary --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Deb <ontheroadagain_52389@yahoo.com> wrote: From: Deb <ontheroadagain_52389@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [TXGEN] Fwd: [TXGW-NEWS] Files No Longer Available in the Archives To: txgen@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 2:13 PM Question: I noticed that in another email below, the CC gave the address as www.usgwarchives.net for the USGenWeb Archives pg. Is that correct, or is supposed to be www.usgwarchives.org/ ... in other words is "net" or, "org" on the end of address?? They both take you to same place ..... clarification please, anyone? --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Nan <nstarjak@gmail.com> wrote: From: Nan <nstarjak@gmail.com> Subject: [TXGEN] Fwd: [TXGW-NEWS] Files No Longer Available in the Archives To: txgen@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 8:04 AM Shirley. Could these be links to the old archives files on rootsweb?  Those have been deleted (at long last), since everything should be on www.usgwarchives.net since last year. There may have been some vital records deleted from the current site, but I'm not aware of any wholesale deletions of other types of files. Nan (who also works in the archives) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From:  <shirlcullum@sbcglobal.net> Date: Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 11:50 PM Subject: [TXGW-NEWS] Files No Longer Available in the Archives To: "TXGW-NEWS-L@rootsweb.com" <TXGW-NEWS-L@rootsweb.com> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Elaine, There was a discussion among the Archives FMs in 2008 concerning the unbelievable amounts of requests to be removed from people "googling" their names and finding marriage, birth and divorce records in the public domain. Some county FMs decided to remove the birth Vital Records because of the 75 year rule in the State of Texas. Its a sticky issue in my opinion. From my experience, I removed hundreds of names a week from those who have requested their names to be removed from the archives. I've been threatened with lawsuits, court cases, bodily harm, cussed, etc. Is there a specific county that you have reference? Dorman Holub: txarchives@mac.com Texas Archives State File Manager: http://usgwarchives.net/tx/txfiles.htm On Apr 6, 2009, at 10:58 AM, Elaine wrote: > Dorman, > > The problem is that the files that were linked to in RW are not in the > archives with USGenWeb now, and when we asked some of the archive > managers, we were told they were removed because of the possibility of > them being used for identity theft. We had always been told in the > past it was fine to link to individual files, but they were removed > with > no warning......we just suddenly had a lot of broken links and have > been > unable to find the files in the USGenWeb archives site to relink to. > Were we told correctly that files were removed and will no longer be > in > the archives? > > Elaine > > txarchives@mac.com wrote: >> The Archives files that Shirley has a question about being removed >> are >> the old Rootsweb.Ancestry.com files in Texas. >> They are now all gone. >> >> The CCs need to update their links to the Texas Archives page instead >> of individual files in the archives. >> >> >> The new link to the census pages in question is: >> >> http://files.usgwarchives.net/tx/census/ >> >> >> Everyone needs to ensure your links to the Archives pages are >> correct. >> http://www.usgwarchives.net/tx/managers.htm >> >> >> Dorman Holub: txarchives@mac.com >> Texas Archives State File Manager: http://usgwarchives.net/tx/txfiles.htm >> >> >> >> On Apr 6, 2009, at 8:22 AM, Shirley Cullum wrote: >> >> >>> Dorman Holub is checking with Linda and/or Joy to find out more >>> information for us. >>> >>> Shirley >>> >>> --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Vicki <wire@shaffer.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> From: Vicki <wire@shaffer.com> >>> Subject: Re: [TXGEN] Fwd: [TXGW-NEWS] Files No Longer Available in >>> the Archives >>> To: txgen@rootsweb.com >>> Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 8:19 AM >>> >>> >>> It could be that a file manager forgot to move the census files to >>> new >>> server. But someone probably still has them on their computer and >>> can >>> replace. >>> >>> Vicki >>> >>> >>> Shirley Cullum wrote: >>> >>>> Nan, >>>> No, the files have been removed from the new Archives site >>>> and includes many Census files from the 1800's. >>>> >>>> Shirley >>>> >>>> >>>> --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Nan <nstarjak@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Nan <nstarjak@gmail.com> >>>> Subject: [TXGEN] Fwd: [TXGW-NEWS] Files No Longer Available in the >>>> Archives >>>> To: txgen@rootsweb.com >>>> Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 8:04 AM >>>> >>>> >>>> Shirley. >>>> >>>> Could these be links to the old archives files on rootsweb? Those >>>> have been deleted (at long last), since everything should be on >>>> www.usgwarchives.net since last year. >>>> >>>> There may have been some vital records deleted from the current >>>> site, >>>> but I'm not aware of any wholesale deletions of other types of >>>> files. >>>> >>>> Nan >>>> (who also works in the archives) >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>> From: <shirlcullum@sbcglobal.net> >>>> Date: Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 11:50 PM >>>> Subject: [TXGW-NEWS] Files No Longer Available in the Archives >>>> To: "TXGW-NEWS-L@rootsweb.com" <TXGW-NEWS-L@rootsweb.com> >>>> >>>> Hi Everyone, >>>> Tonight I found that many of the files in the Archives for >>>> some >>>> of our counties have been removed. The removed files include all >>>> types >>>> of records, births, deaths, cemeteries, biographies...and the list >>>> goes on. >>>> >>>> I contacted a couple of Archives managers and they confirmed that >>>> some >>>> files have been removed. That leads me to be concerned that more >>>> counties will be affected in the near future. >>>> >>>> Please check your links to individual files in the Archives for >>>> your >>>> county to see if your county is affected. I would even suggest >>>> that >>>> you link only to the county and state Archives rather than >>>> individual >>>> files since they may be removed. >>>> >>>> Here are a couple of free programs for checking for dead links: >>>> Xenu http://home.snafu.de/tilman/xenulink.html >>>> And for those who would rather use a link checker that doesn't have >>>> to >>>> be downloaded, here is a link to Dead-Links.com >>>> http://www.dead-links.com/ . >>>> >>>> Please let me know if I can help in any way. >>>> >>>> Shirley >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> TXGW-NEWS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>> the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com >>>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >>>> the body of the message >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com >>>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >>>> the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com >>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >>> the body of the message >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com >>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >>> the body of the message >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message >> >> > > -- > Whenever I feel that the world is moving too fast, I go to the Post > Office. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

www.usgwarchives.net is the correct URL for the Archives Project.   Shirley --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Deb <ontheroadagain_52389@yahoo.com> wrote: From: Deb <ontheroadagain_52389@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [TXGEN] Fwd: [TXGW-NEWS] Files No Longer Available in the Archives To: txgen@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 2:13 PM Question: I noticed that in another email below, the CC gave the address as www.usgwarchives.net for the USGenWeb Archives pg. Is that correct, or is supposed to be www.usgwarchives.org/ ... in other words is "net" or, "org" on the end of address?? They both take you to same place ..... clarification please, anyone? --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Nan <nstarjak@gmail.com> wrote: From: Nan <nstarjak@gmail.com> Subject: [TXGEN] Fwd: [TXGW-NEWS] Files No Longer Available in the Archives To: txgen@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 8:04 AM Shirley. Could these be links to the old archives files on rootsweb?  Those have been deleted (at long last), since everything should be on www.usgwarchives.net since last year. There may have been some vital records deleted from the current site, but I'm not aware of any wholesale deletions of other types of files. Nan (who also works in the archives) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From:  <shirlcullum@sbcglobal.net> Date: Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 11:50 PM Subject: [TXGW-NEWS] Files No Longer Available in the Archives To: "TXGW-NEWS-L@rootsweb.com" <TXGW-NEWS-L@rootsweb.com> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Question: I noticed that in another email below, the CC gave the address as www.usgwarchives.net for the USGenWeb Archives pg. Is that correct, or is supposed to be www.usgwarchives.org/ ... in other words is "net" or, "org" on the end of address?? They both take you to same place ..... clarification please, anyone? --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Nan <nstarjak@gmail.com> wrote: From: Nan <nstarjak@gmail.com> Subject: [TXGEN] Fwd: [TXGW-NEWS] Files No Longer Available in the Archives To: txgen@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 8:04 AM Shirley. Could these be links to the old archives files on rootsweb?  Those have been deleted (at long last), since everything should be on www.usgwarchives.net since last year. There may have been some vital records deleted from the current site, but I'm not aware of any wholesale deletions of other types of files. Nan (who also works in the archives) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From:  <shirlcullum@sbcglobal.net> Date: Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 11:50 PM Subject: [TXGW-NEWS] Files No Longer Available in the Archives To: "TXGW-NEWS-L@rootsweb.com" <TXGW-NEWS-L@rootsweb.com>

Perhaps that should be slightly reworded. :) Joe -----Original Message----- From: txgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:txgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Shirley Cullum Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 11:21 AM To: txgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TXGEN] Files are in the Archives Dorman,       Some birth, death, and census files are gone from some county Archives at the new Archives site. I was told this was due to identity theft issues by the county file manager.   Shirley

>From what I have seen and heard, it depends on the Archives Manager.   Shirley --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Vicki <wire@shaffer.com> wrote: From: Vicki <wire@shaffer.com> Subject: Re: [TXGEN] Files are in the Archives To: txgen@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 1:23 PM All the vitals are still in Clay Archives. Vicki Shirley Cullum wrote: > How many times do we need to say "the files are gone"? LOL > > --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Elaine <McStumped@suddenlink.net> wrote: > > > From: Elaine <McStumped@suddenlink.net> > Subject: Re: [TXGEN] Files are in the Archives > To: > Cc: txgen@rootsweb.com > Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 12:33 PM > > > Dorman, > > One example is Nueces County Archives. > http://www.usgwarchives.net/tx/nueces/nuetoc.htm > > Click on any census and all you get is 404 > > Click on Birth Records, Death Records, Marriage Records, Divorce Records > and all you get is 404 > > We were told they were removed due to identity theft.  So we began > investigating and many files in many counties have been removed from the > archives. > > Elaine > > txarchives@mac.com wrote: >    >> Elaine, >> >> There was a discussion among the Archives FMs in 2008 concerning the >> unbelievable amounts of >> requests to be removed from people "googling" their names and finding >> marriage, birth and divorce >> records in the public domain. >> >> Some county FMs decided to remove the birth Vital Records because of >> the 75 year rule in the State >> of Texas. >> >> Its a sticky issue in my opinion.  From my experience, I removed >> hundreds of names a week from those who have requested their names >> to be removed from the archives.  I've been threatened with lawsuits, >> court cases, bodily harm, cussed, etc. >> >> Is there a specific county that you have reference? >> >> Dorman Holub: txarchives@mac.com >> Texas Archives State File Manager: http://usgwarchives.net/tx/txfiles.htm >> >> >> >> On Apr 6, 2009, at 10:58 AM, Elaine wrote: >> >>      >>> Dorman, >>> >>> The problem is that the files that were linked to in RW are not in the >>> archives with USGenWeb now, and when we asked some of the archive >>> managers, we were told they were removed because of the possibility of >>> them being used for identity theft.   We had always been told in the >>> past it was fine to link to individual files, but they were removed with >>> no warning......we just suddenly had a lot of broken links and have been >>> unable to find the files in the USGenWeb archives site to relink to. >>> Were we told correctly that files were removed and will no longer be in >>> the archives? >>> >>> Elaine >>> >>> txarchives@mac.com wrote: >>>        >>>> The Archives files that Shirley has a question about being removed are >>>> the old Rootsweb.Ancestry.com files in Texas. >>>> They are now all gone. >>>> >>>> The CCs need to update their links to the Texas Archives page instead >>>> of individual files in the archives. >>>> >>>> >>>> The new link to the census pages in question is: >>>> >>>> http://files.usgwarchives.net/tx/census/ >>>> >>>> >>>> Everyone needs to ensure your links to the Archives pages are correct. >>>> http://www.usgwarchives.net/tx/managers.htm >>>> >>>> >>>> Dorman Holub: txarchives@mac.com >>>> Texas Archives State File Manager: >>>> http://usgwarchives.net/tx/txfiles.htm >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Apr 6, 2009, at 8:22 AM, Shirley Cullum wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>          >>>>> Dorman Holub is checking with Linda and/or Joy to find out more >>>>> information for us. >>>>> >>>>> Shirley >>>>> >>>>> --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Vicki <wire@shaffer.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: Vicki <wire@shaffer.com> >>>>> Subject: Re: [TXGEN] Fwd: [TXGW-NEWS] Files No Longer Available in >>>>> the Archives >>>>> To: txgen@rootsweb.com >>>>> Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 8:19 AM >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> It could be that a file manager forgot to move the census files to new >>>>> server.  But someone probably still has them on their computer and can >>>>> replace. >>>>> >>>>> Vicki >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Shirley Cullum wrote: >>>>> >>>>>            >>>>>> Nan, >>>>>>       No, the files have been removed from the new Archives site >>>>>> and includes many Census files from the 1800's. >>>>>> >>>>>> Shirley >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Nan <nstarjak@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> From: Nan <nstarjak@gmail.com> >>>>>> Subject: [TXGEN] Fwd: [TXGW-NEWS] Files No Longer Available in the >>>>>> Archives >>>>>> To: txgen@rootsweb.com >>>>>> Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 8:04 AM >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Shirley. >>>>>> >>>>>> Could these be links to the old archives files on rootsweb?  Those >>>>>> have been deleted (at long last), since everything should be on >>>>>> www.usgwarchives.net since last year. >>>>>> >>>>>> There may have been some vital records deleted from the current site, >>>>>> but I'm not aware of any wholesale deletions of other types of files. >>>>>> >>>>>> Nan >>>>>> (who also works in the archives) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>> From:  <shirlcullum@sbcglobal.net> >>>>>> Date: Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 11:50 PM >>>>>> Subject: [TXGW-NEWS] Files No Longer Available in the Archives >>>>>> To: "TXGW-NEWS-L@rootsweb.com" <TXGW-NEWS-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Everyone, >>>>>>         Tonight I found that many of the files in the Archives for >>>>>> some >>>>>> of our counties have been removed. The removed files include all >>>>>> types >>>>>> of records, births, deaths, cemeteries, biographies...and the list >>>>>> goes on. >>>>>> >>>>>> I contacted a couple of Archives managers and they confirmed that >>>>>> some >>>>>> files have been removed. That leads me to be concerned that more >>>>>> counties will be affected in the near future. >>>>>> >>>>>> Please check your links to individual files in the Archives for your >>>>>> county to see if your county is affected.  I would even suggest that >>>>>> you link only to the county and state Archives rather than individual >>>>>> files since they may be removed. >>>>>> >>>>>> Here are a  couple of free programs for checking for dead links: >>>>>>   Xenu  http://home.snafu.de/tilman/xenulink.html >>>>>> And for those who would rather use a link checker that doesn't have >>>>>> to >>>>>> be downloaded, here is a link to  Dead-Links.com >>>>>> http://www.dead-links.com/ . >>>>>> >>>>>> Please let me know if I can help in any way. >>>>>> >>>>>> Shirley >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>> TXGW-NEWS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>>>> the >>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>> TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com >>>>>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >>>>>> the body of the message >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>> TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com >>>>>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >>>>>> the body of the message >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>              >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com >>>>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >>>>> the body of the message >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com >>>>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >>>>> the body of the message >>>>> >>>>>            >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>>          >>> -- >>> Whenever I feel that the world is moving too fast, I go to the Post >>> Office. >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>        >>      > >    ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dorman,       I contacted you for a problem with the TXGenWeb website link to a file in the Archives you manage. I later learned of the Nueces County problem and contacted Don Brownlee, theArchives Manager for that county, about that. He is the one who told me the files had been removed due to identity theft issues. I just checked and the Vital Records for Nueces County are still unavailable.   Shirley  --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Elaine <McStumped@suddenlink.net> wrote: From: Elaine <McStumped@suddenlink.net> Subject: Re: [TXGEN] Files are in the Archives To: "txgen" <txgen@rootsweb.com> Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 1:18 PM Dorman, The chain of command was followed to the point of receiving an answer, which was only identity theft.  Shirley then contacted you, which was the next link in the chain.  In the meantime, we have to take care of our counties and try to remove the broken links.  We do not have the luxury of sitting back and waiting for someone else to do something on the archives end because we have no way of knowing if the links, some or all, will be restored or not. And if identity theft is the issue, and 75 years is the rule of thumb, then why were vital records prior to 1934 removed? The archives have been moved for a long time now, and still have links to nonexisting managers, the old archives, the old TXGenWeb site, etc.  It does not give us the impression that we can sit back and wait for the links to be found/restored, if they indeed will be. I am sorry if I seem upset by this, but all it would have taken down the line was one email to the State Coordinators list to say check your state/counties archives to be sure you are not linking to the wrong or removed files.  Then it would have been on each state's SC to see that their state was not full of broken links.  Instead, we had to wait until patrons complained to discover this. Elaine Dorman Holub wrote: > Elaine, > > Much of this could possible by solves by following a chain of command. > > When someone finds a missing link - they report that to the > coordinator, in Nueces County, that's Don Brownlee. > > If there is no satisfactory answer - one can appeal to the State > Coordinator and ask for clarification on that issue. > > The vitals of Nueces County are available. Don has not requested from > me that they be re-loaded. > I will have to look on the census of Nueces County, but Don has not > mentioned the census or that there was a problem. > > There is a link to the census that I know we have in the archives: > http://files.usgwarchives.net/tx/census/ > > Dorman Holub > > On Apr 6, 2009, at 12:53 PM, Elaine wrote: > >> Dorman, >> >> I am referring to filse such as Nueces County census files, which no >> longer exist in the archives. >> Elaine >> >> Dorman Holub wrote: >>> Elaine, >>> >>> I suspect the reason many of the "vitals" were removed is because >>> the FM at that time >>> was tired of the constant harassing of those wanting to be removed >>> from the >>> marriage, divorce and birth records. Typically, when people want >>> things removed >>> they don't understand that search engine caches don't move as fast >>> as we do. >>> >>> The issue is identity theft. There is a certain genre of people that >>> are wanting their names >>> removed from any and all records. We allowed them that right when we >>> stated on our records >>> that if they wanted their names removed, it would be done. >>> >>> When you say "many files in many counties" are you referring to the >>> Vital Records files? >>> or are you referring to something else? >>> >>> Dorman Holub >>> >>> On Apr 6, 2009, at 12:33 PM, Elaine wrote: >>> >>>> Dorman, >>>> >>>> One example is Nueces County Archives. >>>> http://www.usgwarchives.net/tx/nueces/nuetoc.htm >>>> >>>> Click on any census and all you get is 404 >>>> >>>> Click on Birth Records, Death Records, Marriage Records, Divorce >>>> Records >>>> and all you get is 404 >>>> >>>> We were told they were removed due to identity theft.  So we began >>>> investigating and many files in many counties have been removed >>>> from the >>>> archives. >>>> >>>> Elaine >>>> >>>> txarchives@mac.com wrote: >>>>> Elaine, >>>>> >>>>> There was a discussion among the Archives FMs in 2008 concerning the >>>>> unbelievable amounts of >>>>> requests to be removed from people "googling" their names and finding >>>>> marriage, birth and divorce >>>>> records in the public domain. >>>>> >>>>> Some county FMs decided to remove the birth Vital Records because of >>>>> the 75 year rule in the State >>>>> of Texas. >>>>> >>>>> Its a sticky issue in my opinion.  From my experience, I removed >>>>> hundreds of names a week from those who have requested their names >>>>> to be removed from the archives.  I've been threatened with lawsuits, >>>>> court cases, bodily harm, cussed, etc. >>>>> >>>>> Is there a specific county that you have reference? >>>>> >>>>> Dorman Holub: txarchives@mac.com >>>>> Texas Archives State File Manager: >>>>> http://usgwarchives.net/tx/txfiles.htm >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Apr 6, 2009, at 10:58 AM, Elaine wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Dorman, >>>>>> >>>>>> The problem is that the files that were linked to in RW are not >>>>>> in the >>>>>> archives with USGenWeb now, and when we asked some of the archive >>>>>> managers, we were told they were removed because of the >>>>>> possibility of >>>>>> them being used for identity theft.   We had always been told in the >>>>>> past it was fine to link to individual files, but they were >>>>>> removed with >>>>>> no warning......we just suddenly had a lot of broken links and >>>>>> have been >>>>>> unable to find the files in the USGenWeb archives site to relink to. >>>>>> Were we told correctly that files were removed and will no longer >>>>>> be in >>>>>> the archives? >>>>>> >>>>>> Elaine >>>>>> >>>>>> txarchives@mac.com wrote: >>>>>>> The Archives files that Shirley has a question about being >>>>>>> removed are >>>>>>> the old Rootsweb.Ancestry.com files in Texas. >>>>>>> They are now all gone. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The CCs need to update their links to the Texas Archives page >>>>>>> instead >>>>>>> of individual files in the archives. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The new link to the census pages in question is: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://files.usgwarchives.net/tx/census/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Everyone needs to ensure your links to the Archives pages are >>>>>>> correct. >>>>>>> http://www.usgwarchives.net/tx/managers.htm >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dorman Holub: txarchives@mac.com >>>>>>> Texas Archives State File Manager: >>>>>>> http://usgwarchives.net/tx/txfiles.htm >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Apr 6, 2009, at 8:22 AM, Shirley Cullum wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dorman Holub is checking with Linda and/or Joy to find out more >>>>>>>> information for us. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Shirley >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Vicki <wire@shaffer.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From: Vicki <wire@shaffer.com> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [TXGEN] Fwd: [TXGW-NEWS] Files No Longer Available in >>>>>>>> the Archives >>>>>>>> To: txgen@rootsweb.com >>>>>>>> Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 8:19 AM >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It could be that a file manager forgot to move the census files >>>>>>>> to new >>>>>>>> server.  But someone probably still has them on their computer >>>>>>>> and can >>>>>>>> replace. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Vicki >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Shirley Cullum wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Nan, >>>>>>>>>    No, the files have been removed from the new Archives site >>>>>>>>> and includes many Census files from the 1800's. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Shirley >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Nan <nstarjak@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> From: Nan <nstarjak@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> Subject: [TXGEN] Fwd: [TXGW-NEWS] Files No Longer Available in >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> Archives >>>>>>>>> To: txgen@rootsweb.com >>>>>>>>> Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 8:04 AM >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Shirley. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Could these be links to the old archives files on rootsweb?  >>>>>>>>> Those >>>>>>>>> have been deleted (at long last), since everything should be on >>>>>>>>> www.usgwarchives.net since last year. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> There may have been some vital records deleted from the >>>>>>>>> current site, >>>>>>>>> but I'm not aware of any wholesale deletions of other types of >>>>>>>>> files. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Nan >>>>>>>>> (who also works in the archives) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>>>>> From:  <shirlcullum@sbcglobal.net> >>>>>>>>> Date: Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 11:50 PM >>>>>>>>> Subject: [TXGW-NEWS] Files No Longer Available in the Archives >>>>>>>>> To: "TXGW-NEWS-L@rootsweb.com" <TXGW-NEWS-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Everyone, >>>>>>>>>      Tonight I found that many of the files in the Archives for >>>>>>>>> some >>>>>>>>> of our counties have been removed. The removed files include all >>>>>>>>> types >>>>>>>>> of records, births, deaths, cemeteries, biographies...and the >>>>>>>>> list >>>>>>>>> goes on. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I contacted a couple of Archives managers and they confirmed that >>>>>>>>> some >>>>>>>>> files have been removed. That leads me to be concerned that more >>>>>>>>> counties will be affected in the near future. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Please check your links to individual files in the Archives >>>>>>>>> for your >>>>>>>>> county to see if your county is affected.  I would even >>>>>>>>> suggest that >>>>>>>>> you link only to the county and state Archives rather than >>>>>>>>> individual >>>>>>>>> files since they may be removed. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Here are a  couple of free programs for checking for dead links: >>>>>>>>> Xenu  http://home.snafu.de/tilman/xenulink.html >>>>>>>>> And for those who would rather use a link checker that doesn't >>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> be downloaded, here is a link to  Dead-Links.com >>>>>>>>> http://www.dead-links.com/ . >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Please let me know if I can help in any way. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Shirley >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>>>>> TXGW-NEWS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>>>>>>> without >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>>>>> TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com >>>>>>>>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >>>>>>>>> the body of the message >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>>>>> TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com >>>>>>>>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >>>>>>>>> the body of the message >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>>>> TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com >>>>>>>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >>>>>>>> the body of the message >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>>>> TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com >>>>>>>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >>>>>>>> the body of the message >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>>> TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Whenever I feel that the world is moving too fast, I go to the Post >>>>>> Office. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>> TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Whenever I feel that the world is moving too fast, I go to the Post >>>> Office. >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Whenever I feel that the world is moving too fast, I go to the Post >> Office. >> > > -- Whenever I feel that the world is moving too fast, I go to the Post Office. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TXGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message